and a lot of people have fun with it. check all that out. i'm glad that i could inform you of something so important as double rainbow guy. >> i feel enriched now, anderson, by you. >> it's so vivid. >> it's whoa. >> yeah. isha, have a good night. >> that's it for 360. larry king starts right now. see you tomorrow night. hello, everyone. i'm cnn meteorologist karen mcginnis. we will be updating you at the top and bottom of every hour regarding what's happening with hurricane earl. it is lashing the coast of north carolina as a category 2 hurricane. and we're watching some of the wind gusts on some of these outer banks regions. these are national seashore areas and very low-lying and very vulnerable to the winds, high wave and heavy surf we're expecting during the overnight hours. right now, winds sustained with earl at 105 miles an hour. but there are some occasional

high gusts, but some of the wind gusts we've seen over the past hour or so, just to give you some information, cape lookout, wind gusts near 50 miles an hour, cape hatteras, 52-mile-an-hour gust. diamond shoals off the coast, wave hikes up to around 15 feet. we do think that this will weaken considerably over the next 24 hours or so, perhaps to a category 1 by the early morning hours. we'll expect it to pass by the northeastern new england. we'll bring you another update coming up in about 30 minutes. "larry king live" begins right now.

state of emergency declared. evacuation orders given, especially for folks who live in some of the outer barrier islands south of here and those evacuations have taken place. yesterday, people were a little bit casual about this storm. and then early this morning when that eye opened up, a strong category 4, people certainly took it very seriously and a lot of folks got out of dodge. there are still a lot of people here who have hunkered down. we haven't seen the wrath of this thing, larry, that will come overnight. that's the worst time, obviously, when it's dark and you have a bad storm coming down. that's a scary situation. larry? >> rob marciano, thank you. let's go to atlanta. chad myers at the cnn "weather center." severe weather expert as well. chad, it ain't what we thunk? >> it isn't the category 4 that

it was yesterday. this was 145-mile-per-hour little monster in the southern part here of the atlantic. good news is that it has fallen apart a little bit. colors aren't as bright. this is what the storm has done in the past hour or so, turn ed to the right, away from -- right there. that's cape hatteras. right there, that's rob marciano. the more it turns away, the farther it gets away from cape hatteras, from the outer banks, the less damage it will do. literally, if this thing had waited five more hours before it turned, it would be over here, making direct landfall in north carolina. five hours. that's it. that's all we basically lucked out by with this storm. it's big. it's 110 miles per hour. okay. it's not category 3 anymore. it's not category 4. it's still a very, very big storm. and it may even make a run at nantucket, at cape cod, 85 miles per hour. that will take shingles off a home. that will do some damage. hurricane hunter aircraft,

little airplane right there on our google earth. they're out in it all night. we have updates not every three or four hours but every 30 seconds from that airplane, larry. >> larry: thanks, chad, always at the top of the scene. now to massachusetts, susan candiot candiotti. governor patrick has declared a state of emergency. what's the thinking there? do they think it's going to come and hit them? >> well, it's possible, just like the carolinas. they are hoping and praying here, too, that earl will stay offshore. that would be the best scenario here. with that state of emergency in effect, they're waiting for an okay from president obama for federal funding to support what they've been doing here. for the most part, people appear to be ready. they have prepositioned a lot of materials, including meals and water and generators and tarps, even medical supplies. now, in terms of evacuations, they haven't orred any yet. but tonight in some areas here in cape cod, they are sending out some prerecorded phone

alerts to people who live in especially dangerous areas that are low lying and prone to flooding, asking those people to get out first thing in the morning. of course, ultimately it will be up to them. in terms of shelters, six will be available. they will start to open up tomorrow here on cape cod. so, while most people appear to be ready to ride out the storm, not true with tourism. chamber of commerce is saying they are taking a monstrous hit, of course, on this major labor day weekend. some hotels only operating at 40% capacity. finally, larry, the last time there was a direct hit here in new england was back in 1991, hurricane bob. minimal damage then. they hope that hurricane earl stays offshore and that the same will hold true this time around and they'll dodge a bullet. >> larry: thanks, susan. let's hope you have little to report. hard to say to a reporter, but let's hope that's true. here in los angeles, bill nye, the science guy, emmy winning tv host. anything striking to you about

earl? >> it's huge. you look at these pictures, it's as long as north carolina and south carolina combined. it's almost as long north and south as florida. so, although it's weakened substantially, it's still an enormous storm. >> larry: if it keeps going right, is bermuda threatened? >> no. i would say no. north of that. it's funny you should mention bermuda. there's this mythic thing they call the bermuda dome or the bermuda high. so it's a high pressure system that sits off the coast of north america and the storm will go around the edge of it. so it's part of why it steers right, going to its right. >> what most likely will be damaged severely? >> on the outer banks where rob is, that's very flat area. i spent a lot of time there in emerald isle, north carolina. that's where sea turtles breed. you start tearing things up with a big storm it's hard on

everything. >> larry: populated centers like washington, baltimore? >> i think they're okay because the storm has weakened already from several tens of miles an hour. it will keep weakening as it goes north and the water gets cooler. >> larry: i think i'm learning more. we'll have another firsthand account of hurricane earl as it barrels along the east coast. you want to say earl, hurricane earl. coming up next.

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of our tourist population off of the island. and i'm standing on the deck right now, larry. i can hear the oceans roar. i can see the clouds moving around and i'm about half a mile back from the ocean and i can smell it. >> larry: why are you staying in kill devil hills? >> i'm the mayor, larry. i've got to stay here. this is my responsibility. >> larry: is this the worst so far since you've been there? >> it equals the worst. recent experience about five years ago with hurricane isabel was pretty frightening, but at the peak of its power, this storm was more frightening. it's diminished now but the amount of water it's displacing is still very frightening. >> larry: good luck with you, mayor. we'll keep in constant touch. >> thank you very much, larry. >> larry: what's the threat there, that it's flat? >> yeah, it's low and the hurricane is huge. it's going to be persistent. that is to say, it will be around for a long time. after the front edge goes by, it's many, many hours before the back edge goes by.

raining the whole time. and so the hurricane is going this way. on the hurricane's left, which is good. but still a lot of water is coming ashore. >> larry: why is it good on the left? >> wind is not prone to carrying water onshore as much. the right side is the real -- >> larry: in other words, you would not want to be a ship in the north atlantic right now? >> no. north atlantic, say within 100 nautical miles of the shore, 150 nautical miles. >> larry: worst winds are to the right? >> generally but you're talking about -- if it's moving 18 miles an hour, 10 miles an hour, it's 110 on one side and 100 on the other. >> larry: if it keeps turning, that's good. >> yeah. it keeps turning, that's good. >> larry: veer right. >> you saw the predicted paths, based on all these very sophisticated pressure measurements in the atmosphere and everybody generally thinks it will turn to its own right as it goes north.

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>> larry: let's go to my old stomping grounds in florida. would you call hurricane earl dangerous, ed? >> it still is, particularly if you live in a coastal area. the outer banks of north carolina and sooner new england, cape cod, nantucket, martha's vineyard are the areas we're most concerned about. >> larry: what does hurricane type 2 mean? >> we usually call it by categories, one through five, one is the lowest, five is the highest. category 2 means that the winds are on the order of 95 to 110

miles per hour. and that's sustained or average, strong enough to cause structural damage, bring trees down, power poles. more importantly along the coast is that it tends to push the water inland and, in this case, we're concerned about a storm surge on the order of two to five feet, the rise of water two to five feet along portions of the outer banks. >> larry: bill nye pointed out this is only september 2nd. can we expect more this hurricane season? >> i'm sure we'll have more hurricanes. there are a couple of systems back behind this one. while they're not an immediate threat to the united states could redevelop and pose a threat in the days and weeks ahead. as you said, just approaching the mid part of the season. september is usually the most active month and where we get some of the longest lived and most intense hurricanes, ones that cause most of the damage and most of the loss of life in

this country. >> larry: finally, no two are the same. what strikes you most about earl? >> so far, earl has maintained a course that's pretty much on track. that's good news, because it looks like the center will remain offshore from north carolina and that will keep the worst of the weather offshore. they're still likely to have tropical storm force winds along the outer banks and up through portions of the mid atlantic, still about a 20% chance hurricane force winds in the cape hatteras area and down the road we have some risk to southern new england, about a day from now, tomorrow night into saturday. >> larry: thank you so much, as always, right on the job. ed rappaport at the hurricane center in miami. let's go now by phone to bexar

county, north carolina. what's the situation? >> calm and rainy, waiting for the worst to come, probably a couple of hours away before the stronger winds come. hatteras is probably 50 miles or so south of us, where we expect the worst of it to be. >> larry: how are the evacuations going? >> they went well. we got everybody off hatteras yesterday. we got the people out of harm's way down there. today we got most of the people off the ocean front in the towns and areas near hatteras. those evacuations have gone well. >> larry: any people holding out or did you get them all off? >> i'm sure there are people holding out. i know that i talked with nags head earlier this morning, folks in south nags head, a vulnerable area. most everyone, two or three out of the whole area stayed. they were successful with that. i know that kitty hawk has evacuated most of their ocean front as well. >> larry: is the state and federal government helping yet or is it too early? >> it's too early yet. they are all on stand by.

we've talked with all the agencies. the agencies call us regularly to be sure we don't have any resource needs, those types of things. they're ready to help if we need it. everybody is now standing by to see what happens. >> larry: thanks, bobby. dare county, north carolina. good luck. >> thank you. >> larry: to fema headquarters in washington, d.c., craig fugate is the administrator of fema. thanks for joining us. fema got the bad name in katrina. have we overcome that? is fema ready, willing and able to attack whatever comes here? >> i think we are. we were moving before the hurricane ever got up to the coast. working with governor perdue's teams there. we have teams in all of the coastal states, ready to support them all the way up to the new england state. so, we're not going to wait until things get bad. we've got supplies already going into ft. bragg in case they're needed down in north carolina. we have supplies in massachusetts in case we need it

there. our role is to support the governors but we're not going to wait for them to ask for help. if we think they need it we'll make sure it's ready to go. >> larry: the president signed an emergency declaration for north carolina. what does that mean? >> what it does for the governor there, it helps her with the cost of this response, particularly some of the local cost of the evacuation, provides up to 75% federal dollars to support that, as well as being able to provide direct federal assistance, if they need additional resources. but, again, we were there already in a standby mode. this gives us the ability to help them both in the response and also some of the cost of this evacuation. >> larry: so the manpower and materials are there? >> yes, sir. we've been working to get things in place. because we're not sure, we didn't know which area would be hit the most. we just didn't take a chance. and, again, our direction from president obama was prepare for the worst and hope for the best. >> larry: craig, did we learn a lot from katrina? >> i think so, sir. one of the things congress did

in 2006 was change the law and clarified that fema could provide resources and get ready to go prior to a governor's request, prior to waiting for it to get so bad that we needed to be there. again when we can see a hurricane coming, we can get things there ahead of time, make sure we're ready to go. the lessons of katrina -- red cross has been doing this. take those lessons. one of the things we need to be prepared for is children and infants. red cross is bringing supplies in. we're bringing supplies in. the governors and as many local officials -- they're prepared as well. they've got their teams in place. our goal is not to be back, waiting for things to fail, but to be there to support. again, leadership of the governors and local officials, the people we're supporting is what's key in making this work. >> larry: thanks, craig. craig fugate, the fema administrator, on top of the scene. let's spend a couple of more minutes with bill nye, the science guy. what strikes you the most about this one? >> its size. the expanse of it it, east to

west and north to south. >> larry: what causes a storm to pick up strength? >> the warm water, the energy in the water. >> larry: why does it reduce strength? >> when the water cools off. because there's no longer this tendency for -- you know the expression hot air rises. that's only true because cool air is squeezing it up. if you're in outer space, there is no hot air rising. the cool air is squeezing the warm air up. when that difference in temperature between the warm water and the cool air around it is lower, when there's less difference, there's less drive. it doesn't get pushed up as much. >> larry: hurricanes are phenomenal, aren't they? >> it's astonishing. they're enormous. they start off the coast of africa. >> larry: they all do, right? >> for us in north americas yeah. they work their way westward. and because the earth is spinning and because gravity is pushing it down and these two accelerations combine and make the thing spin, an enormous --

300 miles across. it's crazy. >> larry: must have been crazy is years ago without all of this -- >> without satellites. >> larry: one day it's clear, next day you're gone. >> and then you -- there are stories of these enormous holes in the sea, and you get very, very low pressure, the ocean can make these enormous peaks and valleys. and it would be a clear day. on certain condition, you would be seeing clear sky. >> larry: i've seen it in miami many times. >> astonishing. >> larry: any benefits to a hurricane? >> they move energy from the equator to the upper latitudes, both north and south. hurricanes and typhoons, keeping the earth's energy, atmosphere's energy in balance. >> larry: nature is always working? >> nature is always working, larry, and so are humans. >> larry: some of us are in its path. >> that's right. as i said on this program in the past, it is very frustrating when you see buildings that are

unprepared, buildings that are built in that area that are not set up for this kind of storm. >> larry: it's a shame. >> you think you're saving money but are you really? >> larry: thank you. >> thank you. >> larry: we'll update earl later on in the show. up next, madeleine albright who will talk about the latest israeli/palestinian peace talks. when the stage is set.

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hour. so moving very quickly. so some of these storms or some of the outer bands from this hurricane are going to be lashing the coast. they'll be brief but as soon as you see one move through, we'll start to see another wave move through as well. on that national seashore from cape hatteras toward kill devil hills, winds between 60 and 70 miles an hour. there is going to be overwash across this region. some of the wave heights are going to be terrific. we saw a report coming out of the diamond shoels area of wave heights around 20 feet. so those roads needless to say are going to be impassable over the next 24 hours at least. but there was major evacuations that have taken place over the last 24 hours. winds right now supporting earl at just about 105 miles an hour, but the national hurricane center is going to be issuing another update coming up in approximately an hour and a half.

so as soon as we have that information, we'll give it to you immediately. here's the view as we look at our radar imagery. the eye not clearly as defined as it was perhaps about six hours ago as we're still watching some of these outer bands even make their way a little further inland. so we will see beach erosion, some power outages and there is going to be some property damage associated with this. what happens with earl over the next 24 hours? we think it will continue its trek toward the north and northeast and perhaps curve more towards the northeast as it begins to enter some cooler waters and gets pushed away from the coast. just a little too early to tell. right now the eye of earl is going to remain offshore. it is in the very warm waters of the gulf stream. the water temperatures around 82 to 84 degrees. but becomes much colder the further north you go. we'll keep you updated at the top and bottom of every hour.

"larry king live" continues right now. but he has also said something that is so evident is that the united states cannot impose a solution. the parties themselves are the ones that have to come to an agreement. but he is kind of the person that can do some closing to bring the people together. you mentioned about camp david. president clinton really worked on this from the beginning of his administration. so i think the u.s. does have a role. but ultimately, it's the parties that have to make the difference. >> larry: what value does mubarak of egypt and abdullah of jordan bring to this? >> i'm glad you brought that up. i think one of the things we didn't really do as well as we should have at camp david was to have some of the moderate arab countries there to validate and to really give support to the palestinians. and so i think it's very important that president mubarak

was there and that king abdullah was there. i thought their statements yesterday at the white house were also very supportive. i think at some point others have to be brought in. the saudis. there is a whole arab initiative out there. and so i think it's a very important step forward. i applaud that. >> larry: the ten-month moratorium on israel building settlements expires september 26th. what's going to happen? >> well, i think we don't know. i think that is one of the issues. clearly, the settlements are a part of final status issues. but that is the issue out there, that people are looking at. and the american position has not changed on this. senator mitchell kept saying that. and so i think that we'll just have to see where this is going to be. but it is one of the very biggest of the final status issues. >> larry: what about the specter of a nuclear iran? does that hover over these talks? >> well, it certainly hovers over the whole middle eastern situation.

it is something that is of great concern. the united states has taken a very strong position on that. there's a new sanctions resolution against iran in the united nations. other countries are -- from everything that i can see -- abiding by it. and the united states also has additional unilateral sanctions. and so there's a lot of pressure there. but it clearly is something that is on prime minister netanyahu's mind. and obviously on our mind also. >> larry: thanks, madeleine, always good seeing you. you look great. >> thank you, good to be with you, larry. >> larry: former secretary of state madeleine albright. ari fleisher and jamie rubin are next. don't go away. people like watching it rain, as long as they're not outside. but, i'm a home. i'm always outside. i make being inside possible.

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>> larry: two more distinguished guests. ari fleisher served as white house press secretary for president bush george w. bush. jamie rubin was united states assistant secretary of state and chief state department spokesman during the clinton administration. all right, ari, are you hopeful about all of this? >> sure, larry, i think you always start these exercising being hopeful. as americans, we want to be hopeful about achieving peace around the world.

but realistically, a long way to go. i think the fundamental issue remains. mahmoud abbas, the leader of the palestinians, is a good man. he wants peace. but is he strong enough to deliver the palestinian people who i'm not sure want peace? that's a big issue. he represents a very divided populous that i'm not sure at the end of the day he's going to be strong enough to lead them the way sadat was or jordanian king hussein was, both of whom did make peace. >> larry: james, how do you see it? >> i think the important thing is for the united states to exercise its leadership role in the world and the world expects us to play a unique role in this area. the united states is the only country in the world that has and can exert influence on both the palestinians and the israelis. i think by pursuing and seeking this peace process, you do two things. one, when the leaders are meeting, when the process is ongoing, at least you improve the chances that there won't be

a deterioration, another conflict won't result. and number two, we show the world that we're involved. and i think when we do that, when we're not just pursuing our national interest through the use of force in afghanistan and the use of force in iraq, but actually pursuing our peacemaking role, i think it improves the power of the united states and the respect for the united states around the world. >> larry: ari, all this up front, is that a better idea than backdoor dealing? >> well, you really do both in diplomacy. and events like what president obama held at the white house yesterday are profoundly important. that image in the arab world of seeing hosni mubarak, the president of egypt, and king abdullah of jordan walking together with prime minister netanyahu and mahmoud abbas. it's a wonderful signal to send about the possibilities. and this is america's role. and i was glad to see that take place. powerful symbolism and hopeful reality here in the beginning.

there also will be over time backdoor negotiations. other people sending messages. that will be a good sign too. diplomacy typically works at both levels. when you start to get down to the real brass tacks, the real things that divide people, it becomes extraordinarily delicate. it takes trusted partners to help push people over the finish line. >> larry: james, netanyahu has a coalition government. abbas is challenged by hamas. how much strength do these two men bring to the table? >> the real challenge in the middle east is precisely that. i think most people know the general outlines of how this has to be resolved with two states. the problem has been to get the right people in the room at the right time, pursuing the right solution. when it comes to prime minister netanyahu, he does have a fair amount of political power in israel right now. he has been saying things that give people great optimism.

the issue with him is his negotiating style. he negotiates over every detail. he's someone who will fight tooth and nail for a package of proposals. will try to link them together. he will engage in bluffs. when he was at the why river negotiations and he wanted to show that he was prepared to leave, he ordered his delegation to put their suitcases out and to say that he was going to depart because he wasn't getting what he wanted. as it turned out, one of our security guys lifted up one of the suitcases and it was empty. so the threat didn't really work that well. for abbas, i think his problem is he's shown a willingness to sit back and hope that the israelis and the united states will disagree and that the united states will put pressure on israel. so he's been quoted as saying that he's happy doing nothing and watching the united states and israel fight it out.

and so i think that's the challenge, is to make sure we keep the negotiating tactics to a minimum and that president abbas understands that without his movement and his decisions, this is not going to be possible. >> larry: ari, you're a pr expert, what are you going to be listening for? >> i'll be listening for the things you can't hear. i'll be listening for what takes place behind the scenes as trust gets built. if prime minister netanyahu really starts to think he is a partner with prime minister -- with president abbas. that's the type of dynamic that needs to start in private between two leaders. the leaders, interestingly, are the ones going to be doing a lot of this negotiating. which is significant. and you have to have that trust start to grow and start to build because that's how you tackle the difficult issues. i expect we on the outside will have a hard time seeing that. it becomes a dynamic between the two people. at the end of the day israel will have to say to itself if we

agree to these concessions, if we pull back from the borders, if we increase the risk to our people because we've given up territory, can they rely on a palestinian government to keep the peace? that to me is a huge issue. because i'm not sure they can. i remember, larry, on september 11th, people in ramallah took to the streets to cheer that america got hit. does president abbas have people who want peace in his country, enough to get peace? >> larry: we'll have both of you back in the days ahead. i know both of you are baseball fans. ahead, is ralph franka. we'll check in with chad myers and get another update on hurricane earl next.

>> larry: let's check in with anderson cooper. he'll host "a.c. 360" at the top of the hour. i guess i know the lead. what is it, anderson? >> we're following the breaking news on hurricane earl of course. the storm larger than the state

of california. north carolina bracing for a hit tonight. the rest of the east coast also anticipating hits from the storm. evacuation orders are in effect. new states of emergency declared today to tell you about. we'll bring you the latest. we'll show you what it looks like right now on the beaches. also, my interview with congresswoman johnson. she's at the center of a scholarship scandal in texas. she says she didn't know about rules against giving donated money to her relatives. money donated to a charitable organization that was tax exempt. she said she didn't even know it was unethical. we're keeping them honest. plus, governor brewer's debate debacle. she's at a loss for words during a debate. it's one of the oddest moments we've probably ever seen in a debate. we'll show you the tape. those stories a lot more, larry, at the top of the hour. >> larry: it is an incredible tape. "a.c. 360." 10:00 eastern, 7:00 pacific. let's go back to chad myers. he's at the weather desk. what's the latest on earl? >> getting a little bit slower. a little bit. 110 miles per hour.

but not getting smaller, larry. this is florida. the top of my screen is virginia. so almost all of i-95 south of virginia would be filled up by the size of this hurricane, category 2, so it's 110 miles per hour. it was bigger than that yesterday. it's gone down a little bit. but still, that's still a dangerous storm. hurricane hunter aircraft still flying through the storm right now. it will continue to turn to the right. it will make a run at narangaset. will make a run at nantucket, cape cod. that will be tomorrow night at this time. right now, it's going to do a glancing blow at north carolina. what does glancing really mean? it means that we're going to pile up water along these outer banks and in many spots push that water over the top of those islands. and that could cut the islands in half. happens all the time. it also means they'll probably be water completely over all of those outer banks. that's why they evacuated those islands. that's why they did it yesterday, even though some

people got in traffic jams today. larry. >> larry: and it's only september 2nd. and september could be the worst. chad myer, always atop the scene. chad myers, our weather expert. as kids across the united states head to school, many will be carrying a new backpack loaded with school supplies or wearing new clothes. but in cambodia, the coast of even the most basic supplies often keeps children from attending class. this week's cnn's hero is a survivor of the ruthless khmer rouge regime. she's using money she's earned as a tour guide to educate cambodia's poor. watch. >> in the countryside in cambodia, some children, they come to school. but not very regular. the school is free, but they don't have any money. how can they have the money for uniforms and supplies? my name is ponheary ly. i help the children go to

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>> the giants win the pennant, the giants win the pennant! >> larry: we welcome to "larry king live" one of my favorite ball players, ralph franka. he threw the pitch that bobby

thompson hit for the home run that is now called the shot heard around the world. voted the greatest moment in baseball history. i think it's the greatest moment in sports history, and the saddest moment of my life. ralph, i know you went to bobby's memorial service. what was it like? >> it was very, very nice, larry. i had to go to say good bye to an old friend, you know. i once said i lost the game but i made a friend. and bobby and i became close. at first it was very difficult for me, but after i got to know bobby and we attended golf tournaments, certain award dinners, i got to know him and we started to talk and we became very close friends. it was a very rewarding ceremony. the family was there, and i was happy and proud to be there, because i consider him a real good guy, a genteel man. >> larry: even though, ralph, we

have since discovered the strong possibility that he was tipped off to that pitch by a telescope in center field. it's now regarded as fact. you didn't hold it against him though, right? >> no, i don't hold it against him. whom i hold it against is the giant front office. leo derosha, herman franks herm was the lead coach, and the two team leaders were alvin dark and eddie stanky. we roomed together and he was a very devout catholic and i was really astonished that he would vote what i call the most despicable act of the game, go off the field, look through a telescope, hook up a buzzer system to the bull pen and the dugout and relay all the signs. this was a team that was 59-51 before they started doing this. then they ended up being 36-7. everybody said oh, just play

.500. you have a 13-game lead. that's exactly what we did. we played .500. which you, as a dodger fan would know, was a terrible, terrible .500. >> how, ralph, did you get over that? >> well, i think part of it was after the game, ann and i were going to be married in 17 days, you know, the 20th. we went out and my car, dean of campus ministries, father pat riley, and i said, why me? why me? you know, i do everything right. i don't abuse myself. i love this game. and he said god chose you because he knew your faith would be strong enough to bear this cross. so, i accepted that. it may just be jesuit philosophy. but i accepted that. then i got home, and my brother john, who you know, the boxing

commissioner, he said, listen, just tell people who would you send in in that spot, the best pitcher you had or the worst pitcher? truthfully i was having a great year until september. i was leading the league in e.r.a. and september, you know the song goes, what's too painful to remember, we simply choose to forget. so, i forget september but i can't forget october 1, 2 and 3. >> larry: and your nephew is bobby valentine, a great manager. yours -- >> no, no, my son-in-law. he's married to my daughter, mary. >> larry: married to your daughter. your nephew is john branca, the lawyer of the michael jackson estate? >> right. john branca is a lawyer and billy branca, his brother, is an agent with william morris. he's a good kid. he's working on me to write a book or produce some documentary or movie. so, billy's working on that.

he was with william morris and i think he is head of some division. i don't remember. >> larry: do you cringe every time they show that film? >> no, no. it's old hat, you know what? i just look at it and just say, hey, it's ancient history. it's like reading about the civil war and so many people of that era are gone, especially brooklyn fans, dodger fans, i mean giants fans. they're gone, you know. whatever age they are, if they were 30 years old, we're talking 60 years later. so how many are there, you know? they're all gone. truthfully, i noticed once josh prager's book came out on january 31st, 2001, then he wrote a book that came out five years later, i noticed that baseball does not talk about that as being the most memorable moment in baseball history. they kind of shuffled it under the rug. >> larry: embarrassing. >> well, nothing was done about it, you know.

i think when it was discovered, i think then the commissioner should have rewarded the dodger team national league rings. i mean, because we really deserved to win the pennant and deprived -- >> larry: no one would agree with you more as you wrote and signed a picture of yourself to me, the giants stole the pennant. i'm glad you remained friends with bobby thomson. you write that book, come back, we'll do a whole program. great seeing you looking so great, ralph. thanks for being with us. >> and you look terrific and i thank you for having me on. as i say i'm going to miss bobby thomson but you know what? life goes on. i last my brother, john in july. so that's another great loss. >> larry: thanks, ralph. >> thank you, larry, for having me on. >> larry: ralph branca, he will live in forever in history. on a sad note, we extend our condolences to "larry king live"