shortly after the trial but only got back together just a few months ago. in atlanta.lemon i'll see you back here at 10:00 p.m. eastern. meantime "bin laden's new jihadists" begins right now. nine years ago in the aftermath of 9/11, the united states had one sworn enemy. fast forward to 2010. >> we're commanded to terrorize disbelievers and this is a religion, like i said. >> you're commanded to terrorize the disbelievers? >> the koran says very clear ly in arabic language, this means terrorize them. >> a decade later bin laden's messag jihad against the west, is more of a threat now than ever. his words have taken root in a new generation of radical muslims embracing everything he represents. >> i love osama bin laden. i love him like i can't begin to

tell you. good evening. i'm drew griffin. we welcome viewers in the u.s. and around the world. for the next hour we're going to take you from new york to yemen, even to the hills of jamaica to meet some of the new jihadists determined to carry on in bin laden's name. moderate muslims may denoue and disavow them but these newcomers are undeterred as they oply call for the destruction of everything that doesn't conform to their radical view of islam. at the top of their list, the very country that gives them the freedom of speech, to spew their hatred, theth ited states. with us for the entire hour, two of cnn's experts on terrorism who tracked this closely, national security contributor fran townsend and seniorco international correspondent nic robertson. stand by.

at this moment perhaps no one is of greater concern to the u.s. e han ayad allawi, a u.s. citizen deemed so dangerous his own country is trying to kill him. the american-born allawi is one of the top recruiters. why the u.s. says he is the heir to osama bin laden. >> reporter: anwar al allawi, the radical yemen-based preacher seen here online. his followers in britain says he is lik osama bin laden. >> he remind me of, for example, osama bin laden and ayman al zawahiri in terms of his soft spoken knowledge and foundations that he has. >> he said hand me over your skulls. >> reporter: this is the same

allawi after the killings allawi praised hassan on his websi calling him a hero. seven years ago he moved from the u.s. to london and was still here when the alleged christmas day bomber was here and they met. this is the ssbeing where alawaki did most of his preaching. there's been no indication mutallab met him here but during the three years in london he almost undoubtedly met some of alwaki's admirers, one of the thousands who flocked to alwaki's lectures. >> people loved his classes, the way he explained things. >> reporter: to these radical

mu muslims inondon with wm hoof abdulmutallab shared a hate foead of the united states, alwaki was god's msenger but not for everyone. o hassan was once a radical himself. he met alwaki andeard m speak in ainondon mosque in 2002 telling the congregation police had mistreated a felw muslim. >> and this is an insult to islam and we have to do something about it. very dangerous to say let's do something about it. and if they don't act, they will take it out somewhere. >> hassan ha since turned his back on extremism but found out later in private alwaki expressed even more extreme ews. >> told he conducted studies with justifying suicide bombing threats includg in the west. >> reporter: justifying suicide bombings? >> justifying suicide bombings against civilis.

>> reporter: alwaki was eventually banned from visiting the ukalawki is still getting his message out, selling for about $100 each and the shopkeeper says they are among his hottest selling items because most people buying them believe alawaki is main streak. in london court tnscripts reveal that at least some of the group that conspired to blow up passenger jets en route to the u.s. in 2006 were awaloki devotees and terrorists in ronto to blow up targets in canada and the united states. the six men arrested in may 2007 convicted of planning to kill soldiers at ft. dix in new jersey.

>> ever since i heard thi lecture brother i want everyone to hear about it. >> reporter: what you are hearing are three of the plotters praising alawaki. he is influngs because of his d background. he is smart and privileged. he preached at a mosque in virginia. >> young, handsome, california. has the benefit of english without an accent. he is technically an arab. what better m? >> reporter: the imam doesn'tag agree but it was at his mosque he met two of the 9/11 bombers.

what's on everyone's mind is what influence he may have had a young nigerian here or in yemen.c nic robertson, cnn, london. cnn's nic robertson and fran townsend under president bush will join m for the entire hour to discuss how bin laden's messe has turned viral. but first the question now whether the u.s. in some way is elevating the status of him and whether he's helping to recruit new terrorists. >> i think many authorities in yemen believe that we elevate him further if we actually do kill him. >> the potential making of a rtmayr when we come back. introducing the samsung fascinate powered by verizon.

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anwar alawaki could be more dangerous dead than alive. he is seen as a threat, is called an enemy and has made him a military target.at among extremists that may have also made him more powerful than ever. a four years ago in len this man first heard and first began to see how this english-speaking cleric was attracting young muslim students like himself. >> he said hand me over. >> they all thought alawaki was brilliant. >> we must remember that he came on the scene where there aren't many british scholars and he is one of them, so the appeal is obviously fantastic. >> anwar awhalawaki, he was a r

star to many. >> here is someone telling us we should be praying and we hafgbe in a particular way as muslims should and suddenly you're saying there should be a call to violence. >> anwar awaki recently became not just a preacher of violence but a planner. >> the belief is that he's getting into more specific aspects from his safe haven in yemen he's able to become more operational so he's not just recruitingnd motivating jihadists but it's believed senior al qaeda leaders in the arabian penins ula, particularly yemen, are listening to him. >> in other words this english-speaking mthpiece for al qaeda's global jihad is now

deeplynvolved in actual attempts to kill westerners as was believed was done by follower and alleged ft. hood shooter major hassan. the u.s. government has decided anwar alawaki is an enemy and has issued a capture or kill order for pahim. pat demauro of the fbi's coun r counterterrorism division. should we kill him? is that the right thing to do? >> the primary goal is to protect our citizens. when you have individuals planning to conduct terrorist attacks and are espousing rhetoric to get others to conduct those attacks, then that individual is a threat to our national security. >> but there is a risk. alawaki was an unknown just a few years ago, now he's front page news being compared to b osama bin laden himself.

killing him, says tom fuentes, could turn him into a legend. >> we could elevate him further and make him a martyr and his videos and recordings and other messages, writings, will live on and on and maybe even have increased circulation after his death. >> for bilal baloch killing him will eliminate any possibilities of learninghy alawlaki kurturne fr om recruiting young men to islam to recruiting young men to ki kill. >> i think killing him will add fuel to the fire. i think it's going to completely marginalize those who agree that his violent views are wrong. even to look beyond the situation. it could very well be someone else omorrow. >> i want to bring in fran

townsend and nic robertson for this. fran, you're a for tmer meland security adviser. is there any value -- it sounds idealistichy but learninghy alawlaki has gone from a scholar to a radicalterrorist? >> of course there's some interesting in understanding that. i musttwell you that has far outweighed by the threat this man represents. he's not new to intelligence and law enforcement officials. they have been tracking him for the betrte part of the last nine years. he has playedcr an increasingly operational role, as you heard from tom fuentes and i disagree with tom. look, he is a veryeal and persistent threat. he is among the leaders in the and we have a la solemn duty and obligation to protect the american people from future attacks when we know where they're coming from and he's one of those places and so he is an absolutely legitimate national security target for a caure or kill operation. >> this was the obama administration's call to turn him into a military target, not

the bush administration which you worked for, fran. is it a tough call? a u.s. citizen we're talking about. >> you're absolutely right, drew. there's always a tough call. there's an entire process one goes through weighing this matter and lawyers are involved to make sure there's sufficient evidence that he is and immine anreal thr okt to the american people but, look, i don't think it's a close call. i think it's pretty clear that ink the nts, and i th administration was right to authorize such action. >> nic, he's being compared to osama bin laden. we can also compare him that we can't get him like osama bin lade we can't capture or kill him because we don't know where he is. your reporting has bee excellent on this. any reporting that says we're close? we're getting nearer to im? >> there's nothing that seems to indicate that. he's very probably inat yemen a that's t believe where he's hiding out, his homeland, where he can sort of at least get some tribal loyalty perhaps

and al qaeda camp as well perhaps to hide outff in. the difficulty for t government to get him in yemen, a lot of the country they don't control. just two days ago the end of ramadan in a small town in yemen more than 40 police were threatened by armed al qaeda on the street. either repent being in the police or face us coming out to kill you. so this gives youwn idea how strong al eda and their supporters are in yemen at the mont. there are plenty of places he can hide out. the holy grail of capturing alawlaki would be that one day he would repent and that woupo be a very powerful anti-al qaeda message. that's probably dreamingor too far. jihadists around the world have done that and they're the strongest people, again, about turning others against al qaeda, drew. >> and real quickl y, nic, no doubt in your mind that he has become basically a leader of th is movement? >> there seems to be no doubt

about itt t athe moment and it difficult to tell but he seems to be a very inspirational figure, his message is mainstream and an awful lot of people who listen to terrorists but that seems to be the case. >> all right. much more still ahead on this ninth anniversary of 9/11 including how the radical message of osama bin laden found its way from the remote mountains of afghanistan to the crowded streets of new york city.re to terrorize nded the disbelievers. >> american converts now preaching the destruction of their own country. that pleasant update and the top stories when we come back. ever seen anything like it?

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checking some of our top stories now, afghanistan's president marked the 9/11 anniversary by demanding a new approach to fighting terrorism in his country. president hamid karzai condemned the attacks today, but also called t on nato to do more to stop cilian deaths in the current war. afghanistan's former taliban government harbored al qaeda leading up to the 9/11 attacks. karzai implied that insurgents in pakistan are more of a threat these days. six people aredetuck deadft

man mt. carl, kentucky, killed five people before turning the gun on himself. among the dead his wife and stepson. the shooting followed a domestic dispute in a mobile home near jackson. the victims' names and ages have not been disclosed just yet. and police in san bruno, california, say they found two more bodies after the gas line fire south of san francisco. the latest discovery brings the death toll from the fire to six president barack obama calling on california governor arnold schwarzenegger today to express his condolences for the tragic loss of life in san bruno. staff sergeant salvator giunta is the first recipient from the wars into iraq and afghanistan to earn the medal of honor helping save one soldier during a taliban attack in afghanistan and saved another as two taliban fighters were capturing him. about 3,400 medals of honor have

been awarded sie the civil war. well, a short flight from the u.s. the island of jamaica. a radical islamic cleric is stirng up a revolution, sort of, in the hills above kingston. >> my god is not obama. my dean is islam and our sharia, it wil rule america. >> that man agreed to talk to me. an interview he said to clear his name from an awful past. little did i know the sheik had other things in mind once i arrived. but then autoblog.com calls your interior lexus quiet. and automobile magazine goes comparing you to a cadillac. ♪ so much for the new d fitting in with the rest of the class. the all new chevrolet cruze. starting under $17,000. get used to more. ♪

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the west can usually be traced back to a radical muslim cleric who successfully incited h often rs to act, suicidally. i recently traveled to jamaica to meet one of those clerics only to discover there were strings attached to our interview. we came to meet the radical islamic preacher known as the jamaican on his own turf. and up a winding road into the jamaican hillside we climbed. so we think this is it. where sheik abdullah al feisal invited us, an interview to clear his name. we quickly leaeik feisal had turned us a lie. is the sheik in? >> no. >> can youell us where he is? >> he's not here yet. >> he's not back from kingston? feisal had lured cnn to his islands part of a shakedown. cnn does not pay for interviews.

the sheik was asking for $15,000 just y to talk. why are you charging us so much money just to talk to you? most recently arrested in kenya, authorities say this 46-year-old jamaican was encouraging young muslims to fight in somalia. his arrest sparked riots leading to five dead and leading kenya to deport al feisal back to his native jamaica. they are carefully watching the caribbean and its poverty has long been thought to be a potential new home for a terrorist message and the sheik has never stopped preaching from et chatrooms and sending out tapes. the fear is that even isolated down that road in a home that this islamic scholar, this preacher of radical islam, could have an effect on the population here, gather a following, and

perhaps influence others to fo t terrorists who have followed him. it's the reason we came to this isla to interview al faisal, invited by the sheik himself who promised he would explain himself once we arrived. when we did arrive his new agent explained to us there would be no interview unless we pd $15,000. cnn does not pay for any interviews. during three telephone conversations and one face-to-face meeting, the sheik did try to explain how he was misinterpreted. he said muslims should fight and kill jews, christians, americans and hindus. that was the old sheik, he told me. i have reformed since then. i am just asking you, do you feel any guilt at all that these men lten to you and then went out and tried to kill people and someof them did kill people? do they listen to many clerics? do you feel any guilt that they listen to you? i'm asking you a question.

so you will not answer that question rightnow? he just hung up. he says he won't do thew. interview. he won't do the interview unless he gets paid, period, and he won't answer that question. there may be good reason the sheik needs to be paid. he's economically and socially isolated here. the vast majority o jamaicans are christian. a religion the sheik calls paganism. the islamic counsel will not allow the sheik to preach in any of jamaica's dozen or so mosques until he denounces his radica teachings. >> i he not spoken to him not even for a minute since his return to jamaica. >> but that has not stopped the sheik from preaching in homes around jamaica gathering followers and especially over the interne listen to this. >> my brother is not obama. my dean is islam and our sharia, it will rule america. >> it is the sheik in an internet forum at the end of

july titled the battle of washington. he declares sharia lawle will o day rule this country if muslims make sacrifices. >> if we wantre that white hous and we desire to conquer that white house, we need to be people who suffer hardship. i believe it aatter of time we will see the emir established within the white house. >> let's bring in our guests again.ou fran, that does sound rather extreme. he would defend himself by saying, look, i didn't tell anybody to go bomb the white house but certainly it can be i can especially if you're an isolated at home on your computer. is there any way to fight this isom a counter terrorism point of view? >> it's very difficult, drew. we've had much discussion in tht recent week over first amendment rights. you may say things that are important to me but you have a legal right to say them. and so what investigators do is they look for somebody to cross the line. i mean, this man, if he's in

kenya and recruiting people to go fight in somalia, it's reminiscent of omar humami, an s alabama-born guy who winds up fighting in somalia and using 14 people who get indicted here in the uned states, 12 of whom are over in somalia fighting now. these guys are legally responsible for those they recruit to go and kill. it's the point you were tryin to make if sheik faisal would have given you the interview and that he does have legal culpability for. that does oss the line from free ssupeech. >> nic, do you know what surprises me about all of these is just how many threats we've had, how close we've come to another horrific terrorist attack and behind each one is the kind of spiritual leader, if you will, that you can track where the message came from and where it was misinterpreted. >> thas one of the hardest things to stop because these messes can be disseminated in a back room somewhere.

they can be disseminated on th internet but it is people listening to sebody they believe isight about the faith and who distorts the faith and then pushes them and encourages them into action or drawing into a training camp in pakistan with ma of these training camps are. >> one of the toughest things i think we have to deal with as we move on in our show is the radical message that is not coming from the outside to the united states but coming from the united tstates out to the world. i want to show you just a little piece of tape here from the streets of new york by a man who i interviewed last year who told me that the attacks on 9/11, nine years ago, were justified. this is an american. >> disavow and make hatred and enmity between nationalism, between secularism and that you see obama as the enemy he really

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mosques here in the yunited states, preachers who preach violence, who preach hatred, who are trying to attract people to the cause, their cause, of bringing some kind of sharia law to the united states and to the world. people who look on osama bin laden not as a villain but as a ro, and they spread that on the internet and on the streets. i wa t bring back our guests, nic robertson, you know those fellow well, revolution muslim. they've made an industry out of this. the question i posed before the break, is there any way you can stop the message from being spread? >> a counter message. a strongerounter message from people. that group was really the bug light that draw in wannabe jihadists, people who are drawn to this radical message. sometimes, though, this group doesn't provide enough of a r radical message and it's often these people whoin

come into the perfeiphery who want more, they want action, ey want to get the al qaeda training camps. what is required is a counter message, and that is beginning to emerge. some muslim groups worried about their children, about this influence that's out there on their kids, are putting up websites or plan to put u websites that wille give a more tolerant message of islam so when the kids are trolling around looking for radicalism they will come up with an alternate message and that's really the key to it. there is no silver bullet other than people getting a different message. >> fran, many people have said that message has been lonmig in coming. has the united states -- has counterterrorism, has homeland security tried to urge the moderate muslim community to get on the stick here that law enforcement can't do this alone? >> there's been a lot of work in this area, drew,ut it's very difficult. oftentimes those very people that you would like to carry, the counter message that nic has talked about, are intimidated,

fearful, don't want to attract attention. and so it's been a long time coming. i think it's fair to say. and the u.s. government, they tried very hard to post this sort of counter narrative as we used to call it, it is not credibnile unless it's coming fm the muslim communityt self. and so now that we see some of this -- you know, there was this case in northern virginia where the family reported to authorities that their sons had left and they were arrested in pakistan. atthop's the kind of coopation, the kind of moral courage we need to see more publicly demonstrated more often, frankly, so that there is this counter message, that this is not going -- this form of violence and jihadism is not going to be tolerated within the muslim cmunity itself. >> i want to play for both of you an interview i did this week with imam al. he certainly has faced the brunt of these radical elements by preaching tolerance, by

preaching against this kind of jihadist version of islam. and here'shat he said exactly to yourpp point about stopping e spread ofhis on the internet. you can't stop the internet, it appears. governments havefa tried and failed. so would you ever consider reaching out to these various people who support this on the internet, who put it on the internet? >> toe a different engagement, through youth prinograms and we invite them to join so we can have discussion and even i call it debate with them. the problem is that thee ve peoe are very exclusive. they even don't come to the mainstream mosque, for example, to pray. they have their own place where they gather, whe they spread out their extremist ideas and so it's very difficult to rout them out. we a constantly reminding our young in the communities these

are dangerous trends. and so what we are doing is, number one, trying to prevent other young people from being influenced. secondly, we try to cpete with them and this is why we produce as much as we can can the moderate views of islam and upload to the internet. that's what we can do. >> fran, i thought two things were very interesting about my convsation with shamsi ali, the imam from the cultural center of new york, number one, there is no discussion between radical islam and moderate muslim. attempts by moderate muslims have failed. and, number two, he almost speaks about getting these youth like we would before they take that first drug, before they take that cigarette, that you have to get these people before they get indoctrinated to this radical islam. >> exactly right, drew. the same thing that the imam you spoke with in new york has experienced there, the very same thing happened here at the washington islamic nter where radicals would be outside the

mosque harassing people as they went in. you know, preaching this sort of hateful version of islam. and inside here was the mesmam preaching a message of tolerance and peace. it really is very difficult -- this notion -- i had to smile when shamsi ali said we have to compete. what k that's exactly needs to happen here. they really have a competitive version of islam that ought to be more attractive to young people. it really is a message of tolerance and peace and there is tremendous effort put in this, especially here in washingtonhn which is a multiethnic population and cultural center. they try very hard to compete with the radic message. >> all right. fran townsend, nic robertson rejoin me after the k.brea we'rgoing to discus guys, the biggest threat of all, the lone wolf, those terrorists not even on our radar yet. when you buy the hot new samsung fascinate

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ever since the 9/11 attacks some of the most high-profile attacks against th ue. have come from people completely off the radar like faisa shahzad

and umar farouk abdulmutallab accused of trying to blow up an airliner last christmas day with a bomb in his underwear. they we complete unknowns until they launched their tacks. nic robertson and fran townsend are again with me. guys, before we get to the discussion, let me play a lile ound from homeland secretary janet napolitano toda nine years later, as she talks about the changing threat we're facing. >> now the old view that if we fight terrorists aoad we won't have to fight them here is just that. it's an old view. it is abundantly clear that we have to fight terrorists abroad. we have to fig them at home. we have to fight them period. >> fran, we did, when this first started out, we fought them ovee there. either they were royed and scattered or we've created more of them.

any thoughts on that? >> i'm not so sure that it's an either/or. i frankly think what we're seeing is cade cal qaeda has ad to many things we put in place to protect ourselves. we got greater security, init tell generals, law enforcement against those who would do us harm.o what do you do? you try to recruit people inside thunited states and who had ability to travel across our borders. you look at things like times square, nidal hasan at ft. hood and christmas day. the lone wolf is an incredibly difficult thing for law enforcement to target and be effective against and that's exactly what makes it so valuable to al qaeda. it requires trendous resources and some luck and we're going to identify tm before theyhe act. and it's the old saying, drew, they only have to be right once and secretary napolitano and all the men and women who try to protect us have to right

every single time. it's a very,c very difficult that to combat. >> nic, what has always amazed me when we learn who these people are behind the threats whether it's faisal shahzad or abdulmutallab, many men of privilege, men of learning, usually men of means, and there shortage em to be any of them. you travel a lot in the muslim world. where are these people coming from? >> they're comin from well-educated families, well-off families where they've had a chance to sort of see western influence, if you will, perhaps members of their family in some cases have gone out to nightclubs, gone drinking and gone back to islam and said that waall wrong and wanted a more radical version of it and then mix with other people who have had thes radical ideas,nd then mix with even moreca extre radicals. so that seems to be where they're coming from.

people who sort of -- >> i'm sorry, nic. fran, on that point, can we fairly say these people are brainwashed? >> i think that's exactly what happens. they get preached -- in the piece on anwar al awlaki, he preached strict adherence to islam and the message gradually got more radical, more violent, if you will. and i think that's what youee happening here. theyom bece very much adherence to the strict principles of islam and then it's a more radical message and then what happenthey're encouraged to look for an opportunity to act on this radical, perverted preaching of islam, and tn they're giving an opportunity. and so it seems to follow a very diinct pattern that it's an evolution over time where they gradually walk down a path whether or not they really realize that's where it's going to end up. >> and, nic, i'm not asking for a silver lining here, but are there less and less of them?

'rthe reason that we're seeing them come from various parts of the world instead of one part of the world is because the ranks arerowing thin? >> i would say no. i would say that there are more out there that are buying into osama bin laden'sradical message of a global jihad and a global fate and there are more and more people that see other people taki those steps and say, i should do that. for every one of theseeople that are successful or close to being successful, that probably spurs on another half a dozen lone wolves that we don't know about. i think the indications are you now have al qaeda in yemen. they're still partiay in afghanistan and pakistan, in north africa, nigeria we've seen now, somalia as well. so many more places. and in europe, of course. the germans said they have 400 people, would-beihadists on their radar inside germany. >> the war in afghanistan is only getting larger. yet almost no one ever mentioned

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nine years to the day the man behind ther attacks on september 11th inremas free.da osama bin laden today has all $ million bounty on his head. here's nic's report on how the head of al qaeda has eluded capture and assassination for these past years. >> reporter: late in 2001 u.s. bombs fell on torah bora. osama bin laden escaped, his wherbouts a mystery. >> there is an ability in

western intelligence to track his movements for a number of years to identify the people that he was meeting, to identify his role in sudden plots. >> reporter: cnn terrorism analyst paul krukshank has new information on bin laden's movements from a former senior intelligence official who hadn informant close to the al qaeda leader. >> western intelligence was able to actually draw a mndab betwee 2003 and 2004 of where bin laden was moving aund. >> reporter: this would have been no surprise for intelligence agencies, bin laden was quick ly regrouping al qaed leaders, even meeting with the 9/11 mastermind, mohammed, before his arrest in 2003. >> he started to communicate with some of his top al qaeda lieutenants. he meets with khalid mohammed and with al zawahiri.

>> reporr: there were immense frustrations. the source was unable to obtain actionable information onin laden's movements and the leader kept on the move constantly. >> the closest they got was a sortf week away from where he was so they were never able to call in a strike. >> reporter: by 2006 bin laden seemed to be settling down, this video and audio messages were more frequent. he was clearly more comfortable. and for reasons unknown, the informants and intelligence dried up. conventional o which t bin laden's trail is dead, cruickshank's source says otherwise. >> it's unclear what the quality of the intelligence is coming in but there is intelligence on his movements which continues to come i anal all the time. >> reporter:e indeed, the sour says the evidence suggests that all these years later bin laden and al zawahiri are still in close communication, directing

al qaeda and are often not far apt.t the trail has not gone entirely cold. nic robertson, cnn, london. a new poll out today finds americans increasingly pessimistic about the hunt for osama bin laden. when asked if the u.s. will be able to capture or kill him, 67% now say not likely. just 30%all his capture likely. this pessimism has been growing steadily since the 2001yo attac. you can see only os21% consider osama bin laden's capture unlikely n. 2005 that had grown to42%. last year up to 54%. nic robertson, the question i have from the radical islamic perspective, is osama bin laden still the driving force in this movement? is he even relevants or has it gone beyond him? >>e he is perhaps not the drivg force but he is an inspirational leader so he is still very much

relevant and there was a case back in 2006 where al qaeda seemed to get ahead of him. the al qaeda leader in iraq was so much more radical recruiting people from all over the region. bin laden had to say, hey, he's the big guy in iraq now. things have moved onrt and certainly bin laden has shown that wnin he says something people will act on it. for example, attacking danish interests at the danish newspaper published cartoons of the prophet mohammed so he's still relevant to the organization, still a figure head. so his capture or killing is still a very, very important issue, i would say. >>, and, fran, to win the war terror, if you can even do that, is killing or capturing osama bin laden still necessary? >> oh, i think it is both necessary and will remain a priority. it has across multiple administrations and it will continue to be. look, hes not, as nic says,

inspirational and key to their recruitment, fund-raising, and training. for those reasons he will continue to be a priity. it's understandable that the american people with so much time going past have less confidence but what they don't see is sort of what goes on behind the curtain of the u.s. government. intelligence resources have been increased. their capability has increased. we see increasing activity of predator drones in the tribal areas by the current administration. all of this suggests to me looking in now fr t outside that the intelligence is improving and so they're more likely, not less likely, to get the intelligence they need to either capture or kill bin laden. >> well, nine years after the attack that sparked this entire movement, we are still faced with all these questions. i want to thank you both for joining us, fran townsend in washington, nic robertson in abu abdhi. i am drew griffin. thank you for joining us. good night. rn ? try new zegerid otc.

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