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palin. your questions and calls, bill maher for the hour next on "larry king live." >> larry: good evening, we've got election results coming in this evening. we'll go to john king in a while to get them. first, bill maher, best-selling author, host of "realtime with bill maher" which returns september 17th. one of the best shows on television. his standup special "bill maher but i'm not wrong" is back on. we'll talk politics with bill right now. bill, i know you have a personal interest in delaware which could be the big story of the night because the republican establishment figure looks like he's going to get beat, the republican establishment saying they won't support the woman who is going to beat him, a tea party person, who you brought us. >> i really did. i mean, christine o'donnell was

one of our most frequent guests on "politically incorrect." people who may not remember "politically incorrect" because they were too young. we created people like an ingram. we did like to book a lot of female conservatives. they were good press and they were good for the show. we loved christine o'donnell. i still like her. you cannot not like her. she is such a nice person. we have a great clip that used to be in the highlight reel of ben affleck on the show saying please, christine, shut up. she was known back then as the girl from "salt." salt being the savior's alliance for lifting the truth. i guess that's still -- part of

me for sentimental reasons is rooting for christine o'donnell because she's going to get her -- kicked. we were debating were whether teabaggers were republicans. a poll came out and blew the lid off of it, okay, they're really republicans. yeah, they're really republicans. >> larry: who should it be democrats or republicans? >> democrats are very happy that people like christine are winning elections. in the general election -- now, of course, the republicans are going to lose some seats, probably a lot. not as many if the teabaggers weren't winning the primaries. i think voters are generally conservative. when i say generally conservative, i mean, they're not comfortable with the people who are out there, on the left or the right. these teabaggers are out there,

i've said that probably in your show. when people go in a voting booth, it's like going on an airplane. they get scared. they tend to do things that are conservative in nature, even if they're liberal. i don't think even conservative voters will look at people like sharon angle or people like christine, they're just crazy. >> larry: when you say crazy, give me an example. >> they understand our country's in a lot of trouble, even people who are angry understand that crazy people are not going to make it better. christine o'donnell like all the teabaggers has no plan, no agenda. no policy point. they have one advantage. they're running against democrats. >> larry: what do you make of this whole -- the anti-obama thing which has gotten kind of, in a sense, crazed.

he wasn't born, he he's a muslim, he is against america. what do you make of that fringe? >> i was talking tab with jay leno last night, he might be a werewolf. it was bad enough when we had these people called the birthers. many of them, they haven't gone away. i was saying last night, i've identified this new group and i'm calling them the churchers. >> larry: the churchers? >> the churchers. they're the people who don't think that he's a christian. >> larry: they issue a press release that he is. >> he's a secret muslim, larry. i guess you haven't been paying enough attention. when i talked to him, he told me about his plan to use drinking water to sterilize white people. oh, i've said too much. >> larry: all right. gosh. >> no, what's really scary is that more people think he's a muslim now. >> larry: how did we get to

this, though? >> well, you know, i have a theory that the internet makes people stupidier. also fox news makes people stupidier. the pew group did a study and they found out that ten years ago, democrats, republicans and independents basically got their news from the same sources, probably more from cnn, for example. then we had this polarity. now, john edwards said we have two americas. we do have two americas. we have the america living in reality. the people who understand that obama is a centrist liberal from hawaii who is trying to dig us out of the hole we're in. then we have this other fox/drudge sleeper cell manicurian candidate who was sent over with his kenyan father. >> larry: what kind of intelligent person would believe that? >> intelligent person?

larry week broadcasting in america. how redid lus. ridiculous. no, we're getting into partisan bickering more than half agreed with the state that obama is trying to impose islamic law on america. i mean that say very radical thing to believe. it's more than half republicans. not teabaggers. not radicals. the mainstream republican people. >> larry: is there a racist tone in this? in other words, is this inherent racism? where's it come from? >> does the pope go to the bathroom in the woods? yeah, larry, it's extremely racist. the so funny, the teabaggers, the one thing they hate is when you call them racist. the other thing they hate is black people. but they won't say it.

when you see what newt gingrich was saying i don't even know if i can recount. he was quoted from an article who is an amoral person who was the guest on my show on the night six days after 9/11 when i got into that trouble for saying that people who flew planes into the building were not cowards. he was the one who started that discussion. he said it over and over. i was agreeing with him when i got thrown off the air. he never said you know what, i started that, shy defense bill maher. rush limbaugh came out but not the guy who made the statement. he is saying now, and newt gingrich is saying this is what he believes that obama is getting his philosophy from his father who he spent about a month with in his whole life when he was 8 years ago old. and that his father was a wild

tribesman from kenya who was mad at white people. and so newt says he's anti-colonial, like that's a bad thing. you know like george washington was fighting the british, that was a pretty good thing to be anti-colonial. >> larry: meanwhile, on politics. let's check in with john king for the latest. john. >> larry, dramatic blockbuster news, cnn now predicts that christine o'donnell the tea party candidate in the state of delaware has defeated the long-tim incumbent house member and the two-term mike castle, being defeated, we now project, by this woman christine o'donnell. she is 41 years old. she was endorsed by sarah palin and jim demint. she is making national headline, larry, by defeating mike castle. yet another victory from the tea party against an established republican candidate. the question now is, can she win in november, republicans were so

confident that mike castle would win the seat. christine o'donnell we now project will win that race. this will reverberate across the country. another establishment party candidate going down. quite a fascinating tug-of-war for control of the republican party. larry. >> larry: big story. they gave her to us. >> the girl from "salt" has won the election. she will never win in november. that's an impossibility. >> larry: when we come back, bill on the hollywood walk of fame. don't go away. logistics makes the world work better. ♪ when it's planes in the sky ♪ ♪ for a chain of supply, that's logistics ♪ ♪ when the parts for the line ♪ ♪ come precisely on time ♪ that's logistics ♪

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christine o'donnell defeating the establishment republican candidate a man who had won 12 times in the state of delaware. let's break down the numbers for you, mike castle was the republican candidate of the establishment-p 46% of the votes. 54% for o'donnell. cnn now projecting christine o'donnell has stunned the republican candidate. she will be the republican candidate, yet another race where the tea party movement has sent a message, a defiant message. christine o'donnell upsetting mike castle tonight. more on this race and other big races here on cnn. for now, back to "larry king live." >> larry: thanks, john. bill maher received 2,427th star on the hollywood walk of fame. i was there here are some of the sights and ceremony.

watch. you see him as this kind of colds, effacing, serious funny special guy. but he's a warm-hearted if you want. bill maher getting it is well overdue. this is a man who is as close as we get these days to thomas jefferson. in his vision, his devotion for rational truth and his love for black chicks. >> this is a special day for bill maher, but really this day should be cherished for anyone anywhere who values independent, proof and free thought. >> i want to thank some very special people without whom i would not be here today. george bush, sarah palin and the pope. when i came to hollywood in 1983, i had one dream, to sleep with jodie foster. that didn't work out, but this is nice, too. thank you very much for coming. i really appreciate it.

>> larry: i know how i felt when i got one. it's touching. >> it's forever. >> larry: it's forever. >> as something as mainstream and corny as that would include someone as out of the mainstream as me, i think that's terrific. >> larry: so you feel like you're an interloper on the hollywood walk of fame. >> i always want to be an interloper. i want to feel like i broke into the studio and took over and made them mad. if i'm not doing that, i'm not doing my job. >> larry: is that the way you felt when you saw the star? >> i felt that way when i saw the star but a few minutes after i left, a homeless man puked on it. it's a humbling experience. >> larry: "realtime" with bill maher returns this friday night. we'll be back. ♪ for he's a jolly good fellow ♪ the meeting's tomorrow in dallas ♪

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>> larry: back with bill maher. a new cnn opinion research poll shows only 1 in 4 americans, 25%, say they trust the federal government to do what's right most of the time. 1 in 4. what does that say, bill?

>> it says more people are trusting than should be. >> larry: you think 25% is high? >> well, considering what our government has done lately. but on the other hand, the democrats who have had a pretty successful legislative season don't really get credit for it. >> larry: why not? >> because it hasn't reached people yet. i mean, the big one was health care. as soon as it passed, obama went up in the polls because people love a winner. they love a winner, larry. if tiger woods had come back and won the masters, he could have murdered those women. >> larry: so -- >> well, they also passed financial reform. you know, they eliminated the

banks as the middle man for student loans which was long overdue. but democrats are very bad at selling their own product. the republicans are geniuses. i've said it before, a bad product well apologized for is superior in this country to a good product. the democrats do have a good product, as bad as they are. it's unfortunate that they could have sold better and have better policies. afghanistan is a glaring error. >> larry: what do you want them to do? >> well, first of all, obama should have had a bigger policy from the get-go. he's tied to it because he ran on it. he should have ran on the policy that said the army is the wrong tool to fight terrorism in iraq and afghanistan. thank you. good night. but now he's tied to this dumb policy that we're supposedly committed full force until eight months late that we've advertised that we're pulling

all our troops out. the taliban have outlasted people for decades and centuries. >> larry: how do you defeat terrorism? >> you don't. that's the key, larry. you don't defeat it. you have to understand. it's always with us. it's like saying how do you defeat crime. you can't defeat crime. >> larry: violent crime is down in america three straight years. >> down. right. and we've made terrorism go down. and by the way, obama has been president for 20 months and there has not been an attack. bush was president for nine m s months when we got hit. on that score, he's kept us safer. >> larry: so you're saying a terrorist is born today? >> of course. especially since we do things like invade muslim countries. >> larry: should we not have called it a war on terrorism? >> exactly. >> larry: because there will not be a victory day? >> there will not be a victory day, exactly. this war in afghanistan, i never

read a good thing about it. the longer we're there, the stronger the taliban gets. i mean, i read bad things about the government of karzai. i read bad things about the afghan army, about the afghan police. i read bad things about our soldiers. and of course, they're put in an impossible situation and doing the best they can and very brave, but five of them now are up for murder charges. i read horrible things about what ordinary people in that country do. they stoned a woman a couple weeks ago for eloping. for the crime of eloping. this wasn't just the taliban. this was the whole village came out. her own relatives. that's got to hurt when the rock comes and it's from your mom, mom! you know. it's not -- >> larry: and pakistan? where do we deal with that -- how do we deal with them? >> well, we're thought dealing with them, because they're a muslim country with nuclear

weapons. >> larry: yeah. >> well, that happened while we were trying to get the nuclear weapons that weren't in iraq out of iraq. i think that genie is out of the bottle. same thing with iran, you know. we're obsessed with iran getting a nuclear weapon. that's like a father who is obsessed with his daughter losing her virginity. it's going to happen. i was watching this movie from 1983, i got it on netflix. "the day after" do you remember this? >> larry: sure. >> it was about what would happen in the united states and the soviet union -- >> larry: wiped each other out. >> yeah. steve guttenburg who lost his hair after the bomb fell. in that era, it was about two superpowers who emptied their arsenals and wiped out the world.

we're not living in that world anymore, things are actually better. could a terrorist get a nuke into the port of los angeles, absolutely. but it's not as bad when two superpowers were facing each other with arsenals. >> larry: more with bill maher and "real time with bill maher" returns friday night on hbo. don't go away. six-axis 3d gaming and access to thousands of free apps. all in one ultra-thin package. you want it, we got it. the samsung fascinate. myi'm a mortgage banker. at quicken loans. mike and michiyo were looking to purchase a larger home to accommodate their family. matt was a star from start to end. he took care of us. he'll take care of you. we always like to follow up with clients and make sure that they know we're tracking their loan for them, and if there's something that makes more sense for them, we can present that as an option.

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zbloo >> larry: i'm reminded by our cracks there that christine o'donnell was on this program after joe biden made his acceptance speech at the democratic convention in november. >> i still have the little ten commandments that you gave me. >> larry: to carry around with you? >> well, it's a replica of the actual tablets that moses carried down from the mountain -- or as mel brooks said "i have these 15 -- 10."

>> larry: thou shall not alone weigh 48 pounds. sarah palin. i don't have to say anything else. >> well, i don't either, you know. she's got a show on the learning channel. that's like me having a show on the christian broadcasting network. i think she's going to run for president, for one. >> larry: could win if there's enough candidates -- i mean, can win the nomination. >> i cannot wait to see the republican debates in 2012, when you think about who is going to be on that panel. sarah palin, newt gingrich, haley barbour. john bolton, nick pawlenty. how are they going to fire-breathe rhetoric? it's only 2010. we're having newt gingrich as we were talking about, calling him an anti-colonial wild tribesman. that's the new kennian, larry.

and kenyan, of course, was code for -- that's where they are, they can't say it out loud. you asked about racism. it's all about racism. they cannot fathom this idea that there's a black president. that's what they're going to fight about. the other thing about sarah palin. if you read the "vanity fair" article, when she was praying on the cover, she's a true religious nut. i know people are saying, there's bill maher, always talking about religion. read the article. read it about her. there's a part that said she were giving her books to study up. they came back and said did you read any. no, i haven't looked at the books. i'm reading e-mails from my prayer warriors. these are people and she's one of them who believes there are demons in the world. everything in her world view is about demons or angels. people who are with us and

people who are against us. you know, liberals say things like when you fight the mosque building in fork you're just encouraging a war with islam. they don't understand, people like sarah palin want a war with islam. that's what it says in the bible. bring it on. let's get it over with. that's who could be running our country in two years. >> larry: what do you make of the rumor that hillary clinton and joe biden will switch jobs? >> oh, i thought you were going to say something else. i haven't heard that rumor. >> larry: that's a bona fide rumor in washington. think of it. do you think it would increase the chance of the president to win? puts up hillary clinton and joe biden as secretary of state. >> they're two democratic war horses i'm sure they could do any job. hillary seems to have really fallen into her groove there in the state department. >> larry: it's just one of those things that is political talk in an off year.

you know. >> but this isn't an off year. this is a really fascinating time because, again, we live in these two different realities. i don't think it's ever been like this. i know there's always been -- shall we say passionate -- passionate divide in american politics. but i don't think there's ever been a time when the two sides just have two different sets of reality. i mean, if more than half the republicans think that obama is trying to impose sharia law on the united states of america, that's not something that you can argue about. that's just something in their view that has to be extirpated. >> larry: how do you fight that if you're the other side? >> you don't, because you can't get through, that's the problem with the drudge/rush/fox axis of news bubble. nothing gets into these people's heads. they only listen to what they

want to hear. they listen to what confirms what they believe, and what they believe is what they got from these people to begin with. you know, when glenn beck had his big rally on the mall, he said something like -- he at one point said, today, i was holding george washington's inaugural in my hand. no, you can't do that, it's in plexiglas. you can't. it's 200 years old, you can't give that to people to pass around and smudge up with their grimy fingers. but it didn't matter, because it never matters to these people because nothing they say is ever fact-checked. the governor of arizona talks about how illegals, you saw this in the news, were beheading people in arizona. when the press asked her about it because it was patently untrue she just ran away. sarah palin never talks to the press because they might ask her a question that she doesn't have a pat question for.

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john king in washington. blockbuster breaks news on this finaling big primary night on the 2010 midterm. cnn now predicts tea party candidate christine o'donnell has shocked the establishment and won the republican nomination in the state of delaware. let's take a look at the numbers.

she defeated mike casting, handily, 53% for o'donnell. 47% for castle. democrats already say she is out of the mainstream, but christine o'donnell on to november. one other race we're watching, let's look at the state of new hampshire. kelly ayotte with the establishment favorite coming in, but she trails conservative ovide lamontagne. we'll track that. back to "larry king live." >> larry: when bill maher got his star with the hollywood walk of fame today -- >> christine o'donnell, i'm just saying to you, you got to do my show this friday night. old-time. >> larry: you're inviting her now? >> i'm inviting her. she owes me. you can't not be nice to her, she's such a sweet girl. >> larry: what do you make of

the glenn beck phenomena? what is that? >> it's interesting. it might be an act. some of it is obvious he doesn't read what he's talking about himself. he wraps himself up in the book "common sense" by thomas payne. thomas payne was an atheist. >> larry: the whole book? >> yeah. it's like these people who quote the bible because they read that one passage. they haven't really read the whole bible. i don't think he really read thomas payne because it's nothing that he believes in. it's interesting that he's seging from a political commentator to a preacher because that monument to himself that he had on the mall on martin luther king's big day, he sort of moved over to the role of a preacher. it was all about religion. it was all about got and faith. and you know, this is the guy who said obama has a deep-seeded hatred for white people. so it's not that big of a move. he's once again trafficking in

the unprovable. >> larry: does gingrich surprise you with that statement, newt gingrich? >> it would more, except i've seen this pattern over the last year. that the teabaggers are actually taking over the mainstream republican party. >> larry: take over newt gingrich? >> taking over john mccain. john mccain had a long noble service, i wanted to vote for him in the year 2000. suddenly, had was against everything he ever stood for. this was the guy who was sponsoring the sensible immigration bill in the united states congress. and now, he's talking about the border. ee he's on the beheadings page. he was saying illegals were causing car kracrashes on purpo. i'm not surprised that they're getting the mainstreamer republicans to pander to them. yeah, newt was considered the

thinker in the republican party. he was sort of their philosopher. now, he's talking about the wild tribesman. >> larry: let's get to the islamic center in the world trade center. it's 12 blocks from it? >> two or four blocks. there's nothing else down there. it was a burlington coat factory that is out of business. you know what they should build there, larry? the burlington coat factory. everybody needs jobs and a coat. >> larry: the return of the burlington coat factory? >> exactly. i wanted to make a few minutes. >> larry: let me get to a break. we'll be right back with bill maher and we'll talk to him about the proposed islamic center in downtown manhattan.

>> larry: "time" magazine has a cover says "is america isl islamophobic." what is the bill maher read on this. >> terry jones, i thinks are didn't burn the koran because he got death threats. it's not because he suddenly became reasonable. people like that don't. he got a note from muhammad kabuy and he changed his mind. the mosque, i'm against building

mosques, churches, synagogues, churches, anywhere, because i'm an atheists. this is place that perpetuates mass delusion. and second, any freedom of religion, religion is thought, you're allowed to build anywhere any religion. they should allow them to build the mosque in new york two roads on the side or anywhere else they want. that's what this country was founded on. >> larry: and i have a right to protest it. >> and have a right to protest it. the third thing i would like to say, some people say, and some people get mad when they say, islam is a religion more prone to violence, yes, we have to recognize that, too. i think i misspoke last night and i said what would happen if they burned the koran? nothing. well, no, plenty would happen. there would be protests, there

would probably be deaths. people would die if they burned the koran. that's not going to happen if they burn the bible. we have to recognize that civilizationwise the radical fringe is bringing up the rear. it's the duty of muslim people to deal with that. the sad fact of the mosque is, the people building that mosque is part of the sufi fringe or religion. that's the good part. those are the hippies of the islamic world. we should encourage them. the people who want to build that mosque, those are the people we should be courting. bush used that guy. bush -- that administration sent him overseas. that's the way to fight terrorism. that's the way to win the war, to get those people on our side, not to alienate them. >> larry: how big do you believe the muslim fringe is? >> bigger than our fringe. i think it's sizable, but not

the majority, for sure. i mean, the biggest population of muslims in the world is indonesia. they're not crazy. the second biggest is india. there's 150 billion muslims in india. they're not crazy. the talibataliban, they're craz. hamas is crazy. >> larry: how does the civilized world deal with crazies? >> well, that's a good question. i would say, first thing is, don't use the army. >> larry: don't use? >> no. because we're talking about, you know -- how many al qaeda -- do they estimate are around now? 400? by the way, 9/11 was perpetrated mostly by muhammad -- khalid sheikh muhammad. ksm, they call him. it's interesting when you read about this guy. there's an article in "the new yorker" about this guy. he was not really al qaeda.

he went to bin laden for financing. bin laden was like the studio. he gave notes, but he gave financing, and he did his own thing. okay. we got this guy. we water boarded him 183 times in one month. he's behind bars. why can't we just say, okay, we got the guy who was behind 9/11. now, hey, new yorkers, forget about it! not forget about it entirely, but we're the land of the free and the home of the brave. we should act like it. >> larry: back more with bill maher "real time" returns friday night. as a matter of fact, people like what we're saying so much, ford fusion is now the 2010 motor trend car of the year. the fusion, from ford.

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in a moment. let's check in with anderson cooper with "a.c. 360" on the top following the breaking news you've been reporting on, a stunning upset, big primary win tonight with national implications in delaware, tea party-backed tea party candidate christine o'donnell has knocked out republican favorite mike castle. a quote from o'donnell today, it's a shame the republican party has had to resort to republican cannibalism. the question now, can she actually win against the democrater or has the tea party cost her that senate seat? also following the race in new york, congressman charlie rangel, can the powerful democrat facing more than a dozen ethics violation charges actually win? we'll have the answer for you tonight in that race, also the senate race in new hampshire and elsewhere, a lot of breaking news tonight, and new details on

the fire ball in california, you'll hear from the first responders, how they fought through the chaos to battle the blast and we'll have the latest on the investigation. all that and more at the top of the hour. >> larry: that's anderson cooper -- >> that fire ball ticks me off. we spent $787 billion in a stimulus program when obama got into office. why couldn't he have said, there's a lot of people out of work in this country and our infrastructure is crumbling and needs repair. let's take that money and put those two thoughts together. let's have the people out of work repair the infrastructure. what happened to all that money? why didn't they fix that? an entire town blew up. do you know that we have pipes carrying natural gas in this country that are made of wood? i'm not joking. >> larry: we had this question -- >> that's why the democrats are going to lose. >> larry: we had this question posted on the "larry king live"

facebook page. can bill give us his thoughts on how social media is replacing mainstream media? >> mainstream media. it's funny. i was at jay leno's show last night, we were talking before the show. he said to me, you know, i don't understand. in the sunday "new york times" weekend review section they print jokes of me, kimmel, and no, you. why aren't you there? i said, i don't know. "the new york times" doesn't like me. they never report on me, even though it would seem they should, because people who would watch my show tend to be like the same people who would read "the new york times." >> larry: one would think. >> but it's interesting, we found out it wasn't that. they said you tape your show friday night and that is for the weekend. never do i get a joke in i did thursday or friday, it's always monday, tuesday or wednesday. so here's "the new york times,"

the paper of record, apparently for their sunday edition going to bed on wednesday night. that's when they place the guttenberg type, larry, to make sure that edition gets out on time. this is why mainstream media is dying. they don't have to die. but we live in an age where, you know, you get it on your blackberry immediately. so when they tell me that i can't print your joke because we print on sunday and you do it on friday, i'm like, i can't really help you, "new york times." >> larry: but the scale, you know it now, isn't that -- take a step back. >> i don't know. i like it. maybe i'm hooked on it. but i like finding it out right away. >> larry: you go on blackberry all day long? >> i try not to. >> larry: you text? >> endlessly. >> larry: not while driving. >> not while driving. but it's the best thing in the world. you don't have to talk to people.

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>> larry: had a great time today being a part of the group that honored bill maher on receiving his star on the hollywood walk of fame. it was a wonderful morning. beautiful day, too. >> thank you. you were great. >> larry: rod blagojevich has filed a motion to toss out his only conviction in the 24-count corruption trial. what do you make on that whole story? >> you know, when i heard the

verdict, i thought the same thing i heard, i thought, when they let go of robert blake, when they let go of o.j. simpson, i mean, how many other people did the rodney king cops, you know, how many times do we have trials in this country where people just get it dead wrong? they have you on tape. they show you beating the ever loving daylights out of rodney king, you can't convict them. o.j. simpson, her blood was in his socks, they couldn't convict him. robert blake, i went back to the restaurant to get the gun, you know? and i think at the end of the day, what have you to understand is that things are not going to get better in this country politically, because of the people. it's the people. the country can't get well if the people are sick. and the people are sick. now, i know obama's not been the best president and the democrats are not the best politicians, but you know what? we elected him just two years ago to fix this massive bunch of problems we have, and because he

didn't do it by football season, we are ready to throw him out on the street and bring back the guys who messed it up just two years ago. that's a little too impatient. yes, when he got the patient, the patient was bleeding to death. he got the patient to stop bleeding. but, okay, the patient is not up and back at the office quite yet. it's no reason to throw the doctor out and get back the doctor who was using leaches. >> larry: well put. but it is what it is. right? i mean, we can't -- >> it's not going to get better in our lifetime. i don't think. i don't want to be a downer, but, you know, my great friend arianna huffington has a book called "third world america," brilliant. i've been saying that for years. people say, why do you hate america? i don't hate america, i love america. i want it to be better. the only way for it to be better is to realistically criticize

what's wrong with it. that's not what the republicans do. >> larry: so we can safely say you're a pessimist. >> i'm a realist. one man's realist is another man's pessimist. but, no, i'm not like mitt romney whose book is called "no apology, the case for american greatness." really? always waving the big foam number one finger, we're not number one in most things. we're number one in military, we're number one in money, we're number one in fat toddlers, meth labs, and people we send to prison. we're not number one in literacy, money spent on education, we're not even number one in social mobility. social mobility means basically the american dream. the ability of one generation to do better than the next. we're tenth. that's like sweden coming tenth in swedish meatballs. >> larry: not first in life expectancy either. >> we're 49th