he is the chosen one tonight on the list that you don't want to be on the i wish i had a studio audience to laugh at that your move, sir. we expect to be hearing some kind of reply. if we don't that's okay as well. touche, as they say. and here now, my gave, larry king and "larry king live." tonight, ann coulter, did she really say that sarah palin is more influential than the president? why did she call some republicans whining babies? we are going to talk tax cuts, tea party, christine o'donnell's link to wish craft, stephen colbert, was he mocking congress or making a point? >> this is america. >> ann coulter and marc lamont hill face off, right versus left. i will referee, next on "larry

king live." good evening our second week in new york, we kick it off with -- they lined up the wrong way, ann caughter is on the left. conservative commentator, "new york times" best selling author. her most recent book is "guilty, liberal victims and their assault on america" and marc lamont hill, professor at columbia university. he hosts the tv news magazine series, "our world with black enterprise" on cable tv's one and in syndication as well. we thank them both for.coulding. you said in a recent interview, app, you really don't want republicans to win both houses. why? >> well part of it is justification for what i think was going to happen. i never thought republicans could take a senate because only a third of the senators are up in any one election cycle, it happens the third that are up

this year come from very blue states, california, new york, oregon, washington, illinois it is just not a good year for us and we have to pick up ten seats. i never thought we could take the senate. part of the reason i was mentioning it, how silly i think it is for establishment republicans to be so hysterical about christine o'donnell, the senate hung in the balance. come on, we were never gonna take in anyway and she is a lot of fawn. lawyer think she is representative though of what is the tea party and what is the insurgent group on the right? >> absolutely. she is part of the loon wing of the republican party. >> oh. >> a bunch of loons but gaining traction and starting to matter in every day republican politics some, yeah, five years ago she would be the laughingstock. three years ago, she would be a laughing stock. right now, she is in the middle of a major senate race, get some traction and maybe win this thing even as a dark horse. nobody can see her or sarah palin and take them seriously,

not for the long haul. >> sarah palin? wait a second, first of all, christine o'donnell, i love her but she is totally not representative, jail mill over alaska, yale law an iraqi war veteran, rand paul. the basic idea is you have principled republican bus just replaced as my favorite liberal with mickey kous. he is he is your favorite liberal? >> i'm number two. >> moved to number ten. >> larry: what did he point out? >> how crazy christine o'donnell is being attacked for opposing things like pornography and she is on the defensive saying that was well, 101 years ago what is it with this country you can't have a social conservative opposed to pornography. >> larry: we will get back to her. what is it with this country, marc what is going on? every guest right and left said they have never seen more anger. >> there is a lot of anger here. >> larry: why? >> some has to do with who is in the white house but a lot with

people not having jobs. quite frankly, when you are struggling, people are looking for someone to blame. easy to blame the white house and congress. >> larry: when roosevelt took over for hoover and the depression lasted a long while, got re-elected with 46 states. >> yeah. i think you will see obama get re-elected, democrats are going to pay the price right now, also, other presidents have been able to celebrate their achievements. the obama administration has had very thin skin, reactionary, haven't done good public relations for themselves, spend all the time talking what they done wrong. >> larry: ann, did he run better than he governs? >> yes. oh, yes. >> larry: what do you make of that? >> like all democrats, he ran as a -- basically as a moderate democraticy, this lovely family, a his speaker, he looks like a regular guy. >> larry: what changed about those three thing? >> from some of our perspective, nothing, we can see he was buddies with bill ayers. >> that script is like two years old.

buddies with bill ayers? >> what has he done that bill ayers would not have done? >> larry: ann? ann? >> bill ayear far left person, closer to me than president obama. obama is a centrist masquerading as a centrist. >> larry: he got elected since bill ayers, elected after bill ayers, after bill ayers came onto the scene. >> no, what i'm saying is, look, conservatives keep bringing up, for example, more americans now think that obama is a muslim than did six months ago. usually the truth move notice opposite direction. why do so many americans say they -- >> because of the lines. >> the answer is -- no the answer is -- no. >> serious? >> the answer is because he seems foreign to them, that he is pushing this european health care system on america, that he doesn't listen to the american people, doesn't cite god when he mentioned the deck claar rigs of independence. he seems alien and that is -- i keep telling them nos, he is not a muslim, he is an atheist, governing the bay weigh bill

ayers s. >> >> larry: he makes a statement he is a christian, you are calling him a liar? >> i wouldn't say i call all democrats -- say they believe in god and i would love to get them under a polygraph test. sorry they picked your replacement, that was my idea for a tv show, i would have liberals sit, i would sit where you are, i would sit here, i would be on to a polygraph, too, liber liberals, maybe not you, under a polygraph is ask them if they believe in god and love their country. you know i would get a lot of them. >> republicans ask them if they are opposing policy because they believe in it ideologically or just block obama. i guarantee most fail. >> no. >> absolutely. >> larry: hold on the believe in god to govern? >> no, but -- >> larry: why do you point that out? >> because they claim they do. >> larry: why does that matter, whether you believe or not? >> if it doesn't matter, ask obama? why bill clintonen? >> larry: said he was a muslim. >> in no he didn't. >> larry: somebody said he was a mussly. >> why doesn't he come out for a beginning, bill clinton, bob

kerry come out, john kerry come out and say we don't believe in god. are you kidding us? >> we start operating from the assumption he doesn't believe in god. barack obama believes in god a man of faith and faith information many of his decisions. that is not the problem a lot of problems in this country. if you look the fact the last years people believe he is muslim now more than years ago, that means this country is completely bonkers, nothing about his social policies that speak to islam. even if you don't like his tax policy, his education policy, there is nothing islamic about universal health care. we are nuts. that is what it means. >> i will back you up in one small way. >> larry: oh, ann, don't -- >> progress. this is progress. >> the idea that he was not born in this country is madness for many reasons, my newspaper, along with all these other conservative newspapers pointed out during 2002, but the main reason it is crazy now if he weren't born in this country and immigrated here, he would probably love america more. he is more like bill ayers than

a recent immigrant who came loving america. >> obama loves america. he has written books about loving america. this is not about him -- >> larry: maybe illegal immigrants love america. look what they go you there to get here. >> exactly, because of failed u.s. policy. >> larry: i don't know what i'm tacking about. we will be back with an coulter and marc lamont hill and i'm going to fade into the scene, folks, this show goes on, i won't be here the last ten minutes, we will just let them go. >> this will be your -- to everyone who wants to go to college and everyone who started college but never finished... to late bloomers... full-time moms...

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>> larry: by the way, wednesday night, bob woodward live right here, new book out. we are become to her now, christine o'donnell, that it's her. the gop senate nominee in delaware made comes years ago on bill maher's "politically incorrect." maher vows he will keep replaying o'donnell clips until she appears as a guest on "real time." watch. >> i dabbled in witchcraft, i never joined a con. >> wait a minutes you were a witch. >> yes, she was a witch. >> i didn't join a coffin. let's get this straight. >> i love this you are a witch, go on -- >> i was a witch. but that is exactly right. >> how are you a witch? >> i dabbled in witchcraft. >> having fun? >> not making this stuff up.

i know they told me what they do in one of my dates -- >> i want to hear about this. >> one of my first dates with a witch was on a satanic altar and i didn't know t. >> is this relevant? >> no. but it -- she wasn't running for senate then. she was on "politically incorrect." >> right. nch>> the day of the elections was telling friends, i'm glad i don't have to take a position of this, it is great. she will do well. it is delaware. castle, her opponent, establishment opponent only votes with republicans 40%. >> larry: how will she do? >> we don't know. i think he might -- i think his chances of winning were not as strong as people said. the night she won, i came home and i saw everything, i'm so happy, realized that deep in my heart i was for christina. look, in the senate it is not as important a job as being a governor or even a mayor, which is why somebody like dianne feinstein or giuliani, you know

how politics is, senators there are a lot of dumb senators. >> of course. >> larry: giuliani isn't a senator? >> pardon? >> larry: will be isn't a senator? >> by contrast that is a serious job to have to run for president. what ever they say about christine o'donnell, there is no one stupider in politics than patty murray, democrat of washington. >> doing so well for ten seconds. >> don't talk about christine o'donnell, definitely, you don't have to be smart to be a senator. all do you is vote. she will definitely vote right and i have just to tell you one more quick point. >> not as stupid as the stupidest person. >> larry: we will set up a patty murray/christine o'donnell debate, featured on "family guy." . sarah palin moderate please. very perfect. >> she is very smart? >> sarah palin? >> yeah. >> i spent a little time with sarah palin. i didn't get that from her. i can't speak to her iq but her knowledge to the issues was

very, very low, embarrassingly low. >> raising kids in alaska, running wasilla, the state. >> running mayberry, why she shouldn't be running for national office. >> she isn't. talking about her, how smart she is. >> whatever. then the issue with o'donnell the same thing, i don't think she's that bright. most important kwloirks think she is that qualified. >> totally qualified. >> brought her out to you as a potential candidate, said hell no, no way you would have wanted her as a potential gop candidate. >> might have run her in a different state than delaware, i think she has a chance to win. >> i do too. >> one of my libertarian doesn't care about the social issues, just wants his tax cuts friends told me years ago that given a choice between republicans both say they are going to cut your taxes, one pro-life, one pro-choice, he will always vet for the pro-lifer because you can only trust pro-lifers to cut your taxes. i think you can trust christine o'donnell to vote right. >> you mean voting right, you mean lowering taxes the all times at the expense of programs? >> correct. correct. >> you don't care about the social good, you are absolutely

correct. >> let them eat cake. >> exactly. >> not christine o'donnell, she cares about the social issues and people but she will do a lot more for people. >> let him beat word. don't dominate. >> she does this to me, very hurtful a sad moment when how low our bar is, someone like that could be running for the senate. i jumped up and down for joy, too this is something the democrats can now win but alsos again the tea party is beginning to influence these elections in a way that is interesting, whether a pledge to america. >> larry: how did your side get put on the defensive? >> first of all we began from a bad position. we began -- first of all you the obama administration started with this health care stuff, which i thought was very smart, okay to start as a major policy initiative for the white house, had the political capital and the momentum, instead of the white house producing a document useful the american people could respond to, we give it to pelosi and reid. i think that was the unwise move. then set out going on town hall meetings unprepared, embarrassing ourselves. i think we made a very bad start to something and put us in a

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>> larry: back with ann coulter and marc lamont hill, both well known in their own rights, may be announcing marital plans soon. would that be great? that could soothe america. okay is it going to be a sweep this fall? >> no. >> no. >> absolutely.

i think ann is right. >> larry: the incumbent party always loses. >> not 2002. >> exactly. >> bush picked up seats, 2002. >> larry: 9/11. >> yeah. tell you for sure we are not going to pick up seats but in the house, not going to lose as much ground as people think. i think democrats have overstated the loss so it will look like we had a lot of momentum after november. >> i agree. >> larry: you think this will bring you democratic movement? >> i don't think preaching gloom and doom is the best to do i prefer we spend time celebrating our victories there have been victories the last two years, so much time counting the losses, we are playing defense. the democrats selling what they have won, health care, benefits of health care, domestic agenda that includes an extraordinary hiv/aids program, education reform, done major stuff here we need to celebrate stuff. we do that we win. >> people hate health care. i hope democrats are listening to you. >> larry: money is not the most important thing, health is 3%. >> there has never been less than a imagine majority since health care passed. a majority has favored repeal

since it passed. the democrats thought, as usually happened, once we get it past, oh, the people will love it. the people do not love t so, that's why they are not talking about it here. >> every major study of health care shows when you go bit by bit, point by points of the benefits of universal health care reform. >> who is reading what the benefits are, too? >> larry: how about preconditions that is now covered for children? you think that's bad? >> i think it's madness. it's not insurance. you don't buy insurance for your house after your house has burned down. >> larry: a kid with cancer should die? >> no. >> larry: is your solution? >> under a free market system, people would be able to buy insurance without having to pay. >> larry: what if you can't buy it? >> everyone to pay for your viagra, prenatal counseling, your gambling problems. democrats have screwed up the system. >> larry: 3-year-old kid with cancer. >> cancer is a very bad example and i'm answering you. in a free market system they would already have insurance. >> larry: last time i checked, cancer a major disease.

>> let make the argument you are trying to make it. >> larry: i can make it. >> cancer very bad. set up a system the only way you can buy insurance for your house is if you also insure the white house and the fire house and the police house and the mosque down the road, fewer people will have insurance for their homes that is the system we have now. you make it easier to buy insurance without having to pay for everyone else's viagra. >> larry: current system has 48 million uninsured. >> the pre-existing conditions people are worried about are the ones where someone is born just lost a lottery, they are born with a child with spina bifida, whatever. >> larry: correct. >> few enough cases, probably fewer, all of the cases like that talking about fewer than probably 2% of the cases. let's say it's 10%. set up a system, everyone in america would be in favor of paying for those people. a head start. i can start with that cut out the department of education, cut out the department of commerce, all of which do nothing, pay for those people. >> those are expensive. >> you pay for cutting out the pentagon? why don't we cut --

>> agree to keep probably. >> yes. >> but here is the issue. first of all, all this is beside the point. they are against many people on the left against these multinational corporations getting billions of dollars streamed into it because of health care. >> larry: that is a big proposal in congress, you can't take any tax break if you send the work overseas which now gets a break. why do republicans oppose it? >> i have no idea what this bill is so i can't comment on it. >> because it is proposed from the left, that's y this is what happens constantly, cap in trade, whether it is this proposal, oftentimes, bills that are free market oriented, bills come from the right, caught by the left, republicans don't like them anymore. >> that is not true. you have to give me one i have read. >> cap in trade. cap in trade. >> cap in trade is free market? you have got to be kidding? >> cap in raid is free market, much more than any sort of organic left wing proposal. >> everyone -- no. >> five years ago -- >> a hidden tax, everyone's electricity bill will go through

the roof to fight an imaginary phenomena, global warming. >> she doesn't believe in global warming, dine know sauce. >> either does your father. >> larry: later today on global warm withing. by the way, i'm fading now into the scenery. >> talk about my father. my father believe in dinosaurs? >> oh, he believes in dinosaurs. >> larry: what does his father have to do with it? >> another right-wing -- what right wins, do, they throw things out to confuse us. >> no i just happen to know that his father is a very sensible man and fess going to bring up this crazy thing about she doesn't believe in global warming, most americans don't believe it including your very sensible father. >> the point is five years ago, the republicans were talking about cap and trade, proposing cap in trade, more market-based solutions to these problems. >> we were not proposing cap in trade. >> absolutely. democrats suddenly off they are stuff and sudden lynn don't like it anymore, the last two or three years, seen proposal after proposal after proposal, a small business plan offered by obama recently, whatever democrats offer, republicans posture to just say no. most unpatriotic, most

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>> larry: we are back with ann coulter and marc lamont hill. before we get to other issues, let's talk about sarah palin. didn't you say she is more influential than the president? >> a president. >> larry: any president? >> my question is she going to run for president? >> president of what? >> and i said -- this is like asking if rush limbaugh is going to run for president. she is having a a lot of fun having massive influence, making money. why would either of them run for president? they would lose their influence, lose the money. >> don't forget, lose the election. >> no, no, no. >> a poll came out today, unfavorables 42, 43%, higher than everyone else in the poll. >> pretty close to your president obama. >> she was at the favorables momentum. >> larry: staying it is palin versus obama, nobody votes? >> right. right. right. right. >> the size of the drinks for the second term obama's administration, no way sarah palin beats obama. i don't think she beats mike huckabee or mitt romney. >> speculation is kind of

pointless. i think she is a good candidate. whether she could actually beat obama, who knows. >> let me ask you a question. >> i do think she is a very strong candidate. i just think the question -- >> you think she would be an effective president? >> something the media keeps talk about you mention sarah palin or christine o'donnell. you mention either one of those two and the hits on your webpage go through the roof. >> lightning rod. >> people like to hear about sarah palin and christine o'donnell. >> even republicans don't want sarah palin, karl rove, major strategists. >> larry: what about karl rove? why is he soed a mablt? >> had is why there's a tea party movement, because of the establishment republicans who have based -- >> larry: karl rove is the example of that? >> and a lot of republicans in washington have basically taken the, we are going to be the washington generals to the democrats harlem globe trotter, we will be good losers, favorable appreciation everybody loves us, go to cocktail parties, make a half million year, a place in mcclaine, send our kids to private schools, but

we will lose and we promise you we will lose. the tea parties got fed up with that. >> you think that is a viable political move tonight win elections? >> yeah i do. >> i think you can influence gubernatorial elections. maybe able to win a senate seat. no way a tea party movement can push a presidential candidate into the white house. >> talking about the tea party movement generally. that is way too far in advance. >> they are nut jobs. they are extremists, overpopulated by extremists, extremists, by racists, by zone know folks, you think the tea party represents half of american? >> according to "new york times" and "usa today" polls about 25 to 40% of americans say they agree with the tea parties. >> the issues they tend to agree on are issues like wanting social security, wanting medicare, wanting to continue veterans benefits. >> repeal health care. >> that is the contradiction of the tea party. >> owe poe gay marriage. >> forget gay marriage. >> we are coming back to that. >> we can come back to gay marriage. they favor medicare,s social

security, benefits they want to cut taxes, want a whole bunch of stuff but don't want to pay tax. >> i think you are wrong about that. that has been the the contradiction with voters generally, which is why both republicans -- >> a new movement. the problem with the tea party mom. . >> ben nelson votes for health care, goes back and gets a special deal for nebraska, gets booed in public. the first time people want to cut spending. >> larry: is gay marriage a democratic/republican issue? >> in the most basic political sense, absolutely. people on the left tend to favor this. if you were to divide the democratic party into groups, african-american people, we saw that in california they tend not to support gay marriage issues, which i think is very sad. black people just got the right to vote like last week in america. >> gays can vote, marc. >> my point we started getting rights recently, black people only voting since 1965, voter rights act, so it is very difficult for black people to oppose civil liberties for other people. i think sad we are voting october civil rights of other

people. >> come on. >> put black people's right to vote to a national vote right now, they still might not win. >> a vote, marc lamont. let me tell you how black people think. >> bless do bless do. >> the issue is blacks were brought here in slave ships. they were enslaved. >> that is true. >> discriminated against them for 100 years. >> absolutely. >> civil rights is a black issue. now, every be in america wants to be black. the feminists -- >> every be in america wants civil rights. >> illegal immigrants. >> every be in america wants civil rights. don't want to be black. they want civil rights. >> larry: if civil rights is an issue that involves all of us, we all want our civil rights, why should gay people be any less --. they do have civil rights. >> larry: but can't marry. >> they can't marry someone of the same sex, neither can you. neither can i. >> say gay people can get married as long as they are not gay anymore, as long as they don't function as gay people? what is absurd. >> don't say this is equal rights. >> you had should have the right to marry who ever you want. >> absolutely not the purpose for marriage.

my personal belief, everyone should get civil unions, people get married, get marry wood by their religious party. >> one more nail in the could have.of marriage in america. destroying the family has done such a great thing -- >> because i believe in the separation of chur of and state. >> nothing to do with -- >> police brutality. >> end of the black family and that was done by -- oh, probably -- >> you think gay marriage signals the end of a black family? >> think is over because of other liberal policies. you already have -- no, no no it is because of what liberals did to the black family we see how important a mother and a father are, mommy and daddy must be married to one another as i detailed in chapters of my last book, "guilty" >> larry: civil union, marriage being a religious institution? >> not talking about marriage, larry. >> she wants to keep the connection of church and state together. >> it has nothing to do with the church it those do with civilization, civilization requires the family, means a

mother and a father raising. >> that is a he religious narrative. let a church do t. >> nothing do with that. >> what role does the state have to play in our -- >> the state subsidizing illegitimacy for 30 years, look what that has done to the black family. destroyed it. >> say the black family is not together in terms of a nuclear, hetero, patriarchal family, the injection of crack into neighborhoods, poor education systems, the other thing here is -- >> if you take out the factor of i will legit mass circumstance the factor of black and white crime rate disappears. that is a fact. could we concentrate on that fact for a moment? >> look at custodial fathers involved, you don't see a high crime rate. that is a particular american value. >> no. no. no trying to -- >> larry: let me get a break. >> statistics, evidence. >> larry: hold it. hold t hold it! hold it! this keeps up, the marriage ain't gonna work. maybe it will. by the way, do you agree or not

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>> larry: speaking of rights, i asked you if gay marriage is a democratic/republican issue. is the mosque near 9/11 site a democratic/republican issue?

>> yes, it is. it appears to be. i mean, it wasn't at first. >> larry: are you against their right to have it? >> no republicans have been consistent can. we admit there is a right and i think we should -- they shouldn't do it same thing with the guy who is going to burn the koran in florida. he has a right to do it, but we think he shouldn't. i don't know why obama leapt into this. >> i think his strategy in engaging the issue was wrong. i think strategically, it was a bad idea. like the christmas bomber, a lot of things he has done wrong strategically, his point was right and exact. this is an issue of religious freedom. the republicans' point, this san issue of decency, not about right and wrong in terms of the constitution but do about decency to think a moss sex somehow hurtful or disrespectful to the victims of 9/11 requires you to be sfwleen knowphobic and anti-muslim to take that position. nothing offensive about a mosque being -- a cultural center being a few blocks from the world trade center site. there is nothing wrong with that >> larry: there was one in the

world trade center? >> absolutely. and muslims died in 9/11. let's not pretend christians weren't the only people who died. >> much like americans checking off the box, more of them thinking that the president is a muslim. i think it is possible, i don't know if they would have tried but possible if the mosque had gone up during the bush administration, would you not have gotten this reaction, but what you see with obama had is him backing down, backing down, backing down. after the shoot agent fort hood, he says, let's not jump to conclusions. same thing with the christmas day bomber. he is bowing to world leaders in the middle east and the far east it is like a vigilante justice system when you feel like the government isn't doing its job, you get angrier and want to do-it-yourself and more anger about the mosque because americans feel like obama isn't being tough enough on islamic terrorism. i think obama is being perfectly fine in his so-called war on terrorism. i think he has essentially adopted the same strategy as the bush administration. what obama has is a bad public relations problem. he doesn't seem to be --

>> larry: but that is rate. perception is reality. >> perception is rate. let's talk about that, let's not pretend that somehow he is prosecuting a war on terror in a way that is passive, him waiting six dies come out -- three dies come out and talk about the christmas day bomber is any different than bush. six dies talk about the bomber in 2002. >> i didn't mention that. >> larry: let him finish. >> republicans mentioned it, keep carrying out these things that obama has done and act as if he is wildly different than bush. my critique from the left, he is too much like bush. let's not pretend owe ma'am is doing the wrong things on terror. >> civilian trials are a big difference. >> well there have been civilian trials and earth obama administration. >> not for the mastermind of 9/11. >> i do agree there is a different context. i do think there is something to be said about showing the american -- showing the world commune that our court systems can give you a fair trial and still get the verdict that we want. i think is there a safety issue. i think there a perception issue for the people of new york and whatever state we would move it to, a legitimate consideration, why they back tracked on it, but

i don't think is wrong as such to try to have a civilian trial in the criminal justice system. i think you get the same outcome. >> what if you don't? i always thought that argument was a little bit weird. >> still let him go. >> we will find him guilty. why do it? >> even if they were found not guilty they would -- think they would walk out of the courtroom like some mobster on a technicality? >> no point to having a civilian trial if you are not going to let them go you are wasting everybody's time and money. >> about honoring the system again. i'm not pro-civilian trial, but it is not this act of anti-patriotism, not the soft position on terror, a decision, a political decision. >> let him go, show trial. >> larry: let me get a break. >> saying he is soft on terror because of it. >> larry: let me -- >> walk out with a -- >> then it is a show trial. >> larry: new york, somebody will shoot him. it is america. >> wow. >> larry: be able to get a gun? >> i mean that's exactly -- >> larry: wouldn't last a day. >> you don't want people taking the law into their own hands. >> larry: i'm kidding.

>> i know you are, but that legitimate, why people are so mad about the mosque. >> wouldn't be let go still enemy combatants, still be detainees, not be let go that is not an issue, not at stake. the point about the/ >> larry: let me get a break. did stephen colbert make a spectacle of congress or himself last week? we will debate that with ann coulter and marc lamont hill after this.

we are back. if you live in chicago, ann coulter will appear there october 7th. you can check her website, ann coulter.com? >> yes. thank you. >> larry: find out where you can move to. comedian stephen colbert is getting mick reed views for his recent appearance on capitol hill. he testified last friday at a hearing on migrant labor. watch with. . we all know there is a long tradition of great nations importing foreign workers to do their farm work. after all, it was the ancient israel lights who built the first food pyramids, but this is america. i don't want a tomato picked by a mexican. i want it picked by an american, then sliced by a guatemalan and served by a ven necessary wail.in a spa with where a chilean gives me a brazilian. >> did they get it or not? >> they did. first of all that is hilarious. >> un. >> republicans don't have a sense of humor. >> that is why they are

pretending to think it is funny. >> you are so square. i think this issue of decorum is mocking congress. i'm not a big fan of this. >> larry: mocking congress? >> to some extent. they deserve to be mocked. >> republicans are pretending it is funny because liberals will say they don't have a sense of humor. it is the same joke every night and it has been for years. stephen colbert is a funny man. like doing the same sketch on "saturday night live." yes, he plays dorky, stupid walmart-consuming right-winger blow hards. >> the average republican. >> okay. the same gaffes. night after night after night. >> larry: night after night jay leno comes out and tells jokes. >> a completely different joke. >> nuance there. >> moreover, i not only agree with you that this is totally mocking congress. >> mm-hmm. >> but who is he mocking in particular she is in mocking americans who have massive unemployment right now who don't want immigrants, illegal immigrants often taking their

job. >> don't want to pick grapes. >> bigots. he seems to think they are a bunch of bigots. >> no. >> that is more offensive. >> i don't think he is mocking every day americans. i do think some americans are wrong with their stance toward immigration, immigration policy, toward what happened in arizona the last months. i think there is a problem there, but i don't think that's what colbert said. >> larry: what about people who hire illegal immigrants? >> i think that is problem, too. we need substantive immigration reform. part of what we saw in arizona was a response to a white house that hasn't done much about that, or done enough about that i think their response was wrong, completely wrong. >> larry: republicans didn't agree with bush's policy? >> that is one of the things bush made sense on, guest worker policies, allowing families to reunite on the other side of the border what no one talked about exchanging trade policy, push into the united states. we talk about why people -- what happens with people once they get here, let's talk about nafta, faulty trade policies that undermine the policies that mexican farmers can have a life in mexico.

lawyer agree with that? >> absolutely. >> that would seem to cut down on illegal immigration but lose the whole audience if we go into nafta? could i attack the republicans for a moment? >> you are wrong about nafta. >> look, your point that i totally agree with, what about the people who hire the illegals, i agree 100%, they are the ones making the rest of us pay. they are not paying the workers enough themselves. but don't worry, the tax pay letters take care of your schools, your hospitalization, your medical care. now that san elite establishment republican issue compared to the tea party republican, the tea party republicans do not want to protect employers and force all taxpayers to pay for t. >> don't want to protect anyone. >> larry: don't ask, don't tell. sounds like a description of this show. we will get to that next. i didn't miss a premium payment for 10 years. the minute i got sick, i lost my insurance. not anymore. america's healthcare reforms change lives for the better.

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honest." and a north carolina republican, uses news clip to underscore his military service but edits out the part about him being indicted for murder which motivated the news reports in the first place, charges were dropped but the ad hadn't been. and new developments in the scholarship scandal involving two democratic members of congress supposed to give charity money to needy kids and instead, gave it to their relatives and staffers' kiz. one staffer claims she takes full responsibility. how come today she refuses to acknowledge any wrongdoing? we're keeping her honest. that's at the top of the hour. >> larry: that's "ac 360." and the new show "our world with black enterprises." >> larry: "don't ask don't tell" repeal it? >> no. i want the gays to come out against girls in the military. >> gay people should be able to

serve freely. right now obama is playing to the seshlt. he feels like he has the gay wing as well as the black movement in his pocket and he's starting to approximately to the center. he's worried about independent or swing voters. >> larry: is that a mistake? >> from a strategic perspective it makes sense but from an ethical sense it's disappointsing. i think president obama is governing from the middle and that's dangerous to me politically. >> larry: why are you opposed to repealing it? >> you say serve openly. they can serve, they just -- i just don't understand -- two things. i don't understand the idea. i can't get through the workday without talking about my sex life. how can i serve. point one. point two, all they do is not talk about it. point two, the military -- >> straight people can continue to talk about it. >> it's like -- it's not like people walk around and talk about their sexuality. >> that's all you have to do? not talk about your sex life? >> it's about who you are. >> you don't want sexuality influencing young men who are

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>> larry: more about our breaking news. white house chief of staff, rohm emanuel will leaf te white house to run for mayor of chicago. three democratic sources close to rahm emanuel tell our own john king that emanuel informed senior colleagues that he's all but certain to run for mayor. what do you think of that? >> i'm excited, larry. i'm happy for chicago and i'm happy for democrats. he's been a bull in a china shop. >> he's a failed chief of staff? >> i don't want to call him a failure but i think the obama administration campaigned well but they haven't been governing -- >> should they go out of the white house to get the next one? >> i think so. >> larry: what do you think? >> maybe go to alaska or delaware. and when you had your interview with cooper anderson coming up

on that alan greyson accusing his opponent of being a member of the taliban, can we stop talking about christine o'donnell? she's against pornography. >> you refer to democrats at hezbocrats. >> you're confusing me with a lesser member of the republican party. >> i would never do that. you're the chief of the extreme right wing. >> larry: are we going to extend the tax cuts of the bush administration? >> i suspect it's for the lame duck congress or the crazy duck congress where they pass all the crazy things they want. >> like social provisions, food for children. >> cap and trade. the jury is out on this but my gut says yes. >> the tax cuts will stick. >> larry: the tax cuts will stick? >> that's my gut. >> larry: you want them to stick? >> i do but you have a democrat house, democrat senate and democrat president. >> i hope they don't extend them. >> larry: if there's a big

republican victory -- >> that's possible. if enough democrats remain and are there after the lame duck congress, that will be a lot better for republicans in two years. the next two years and then four years, a lot better for us in terms of the senate seats that are are. >> but one thing about obama that's interesting is i think he may be better with more republicans in the house. i think he's a much better negotiator. i don't think he's a good frontrunner. i think -- >> larry: he's a better underdog? >> he is. >> the republicans will stop him from doing completely crazy things but we won't take the senate so you guys are in trouble. >> i don't know about that. i think some interesting things are going to happen regardless of what happens in november. >> larry: one thing, it won't be dull, and as long as you two are around it will never be dull. thank you both. guaranteed we'll have you back. okay? and good luck to both of