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of 85. starred in films "spartacus," "some like it hot." debbie reynolds is here with a salute to her friend. we'll look back at his last appearance on this show. all next on "larry king live." >> larry: good evening, we're delighted to have kathleen parker and elliott spitz we are with us. their new show "parker spitzer" debuts on monday night, 8:00 p.m. eastern, 5:00 p.m. pacific. kathleen is a pulitzer prize winning columnist, eliot, the former governor of new york. are you nervous? >> about what. >> larry: are you nervous? about the show? no, i'm more nervous with you because you're a star.

>> larry: how did this come about? give me the story. >> you know, john klein called me. >> john klein called me. >> we'll do this in tandem. >> and said do you want to do a show. >> and he said do you want to do say show. >> and i said, are you nuts. he said, let's have a conversation. he said this will be exciting. you'll do it with someone who is smart, witty and clever. i said who's that. we have someone we want to you meet. i said, she's smart. she's smart, witty and clever but i can't beat her in a debate. >> larry: and you heard they wanted to pair you with eliot spitzer. >> i had a lunch with john klein. he was the president of cnn. and i said i want to you go to new york and you meet the one who would be your co-anchor.

and he said, you'll meet him. i said who is it? he said eliot spitzer. and i took a couple beats and said bold. >> larry: this is going to cancel "cross fire." >> i think the reality is, we want to be thoughtful. what that means week going to disagree sometimes. we're going to agree sometimes. we will have a smart conversation, not talking points not predictable, based on facts and try to say, look, there's 15% here. 15% here. 70% in the middle. what does common sense tell us we should do. and we'll disagree about it but we're going to try to get to a result. >> larry: are you going to have guests? >> absolutely. we're going to indict the smartest people we can find. >> larry: give me the format. do you talk about the first ten

minutes? >> kind of like that. we talk about a subject we go through. >> larry: you don't know monday's? >> no, we don't. >> who could have predicted that rahm would leave tomorrow morning. this is an amazing thing. we'll talk about it. >> we'll talk about just the two of us back and forth. obviously, eliot is identified as a democrat and i'm identified as a conservative. >> you set democrat conservative -- >> i want to be honest here. >> larry: after that what happens? >> then we invite guests. we have two guests and we continue that conversation with somebody who -- >> larry: and is the topic the whole hour topic? >> no, no. >> we will span the globe for politics. economics, culture. >> larry: it's not just

politics? >> can't get two people to agree. you talk about wall street, money never sleeps. everything comes back to that. >> we're going talk to authors, filmmakers, everybody. >> larry: "parker spitzer" has been in rehearsal the past few weeks. you're going to see something you haven't seen yet. a preview of what you're going to see. >> folks, the middle class is under attack, wouldn't know if you read the newspapers, you know what they're telling you the recession is over. it's better than that, it ended in 2009. i don't believe it. you don't believe it either. >> mr. president, i feel sorry for you, every time i see you lately, you look like you're wondering how you got stuck with this job. you know, luke so sad, i want to give you a hug. but that's not how i want to feel about the person chosen to lead this country.

>> larry: that's a good start. frankly how many people outside of new york may not know you more than just because of the scandal. do you think that's going to van impact? you have to deal with it. >> absolutely. i hope people will look at me and say when they find out more, here's somebody who spent many years as attorney general. fighting for the middle class, fighting for the people who didn't have a choice in government anywhere. and when they find out more about what i did as attorney general and governor. they'll say, he was wriright ab certain things. i will say as i have said, i did something egreggously wrong to my family and hype people will accept that. >> larry: when you heard it was eliot spitzer, you had to think about that, right? >> sure. i approached it scientifically. i checked out and read every book. i don't take risks on big

decisions. i talked to my editor, my family, to the people at the "washington post," i talked about it. >> larry: do you think it will be difficult, let's say, frankly, there's a major sex scandal story, are you going to cover it? >> hour. >> larry: it will be difficult to deal with. >> it won't be difficult. >> it will be difficult for me. i don't believe in covering sex scandals. i didn't write about eliot spitzer. i didn't write about john edwards. >> larry: since you're discussing many different things -- >> well, we may. i'm not going sniffing in people's personal lives. >> larry: would you have difficulty with it? >> i've been forth right with the public. how i erred how i failed by resigning. if it's a context where i have to pass judgment, i'll be able to say here's what i did and

why. >> larry: did you ever think when all of that happened that horrible day when you had to resign that you'd be hosting a television show? >> here's the funny thing, if you asked him what he thought when he heard it was me. he never heard of me. >> larry: you never hurt of her? >> i wasn't going say that on national tv. sure, i heard of her. here's the amazing thing about kathleen, her articles are carried in what, 400 -- >> mike that. >> they're carried in "the washington post" all over the country. she say celebrity. she goes to st. louis, tells out the auditorium. >> they like me better than they like you. >> i'm not going to take that sitting down. >> when i was with the trib -- when i lectured. >> new york city is the an echo

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good evening, i'm kathleen parker. and i'm elliott spitz per. welcome to "parker spitzer." kathleen, let's take a moment and explain what we're trying to do with the show. when i think about it, the single most important thing to me is ideas. >> and then there's a vacuum. >> larry: but we have no idea tonight -- >> okay. >> larry: let's get into political picks. what's going to happen in november? >> i think the republicans are probably going to take the house. >> larry: not the senate, but the house? >> i don't know about the senate, but the house is certain. >> reporter: the senate has safe democratic seats. >> now, since the republicans

nominated folks on the fringe that are witches. >> oh, eliot, good grief. >> when is that, october 31? there's no witch candidates. >> i think that's so unfair, christine o'donnell, i'm not a big fan -- >> don't tell me you're a witch. >> all little girls are fascinated with witches and the reason is, they're powerful women. we didn't have a whole lot of choices. the good witch of the west. >> larry: what do you think is going to happen in november? >> i think the democrats hold the senate because i think when you go state by state, the republicans have really hurt themselves with their nominees. the house, everybody thinks the republicans take it. it is not so clear to me. i'll tell you what, here in new york, there are a lot of seats that are under assault where republicans will not come out at the end of the day. i've been speaking to people in

the field, the excitement on the democratic side is coming back. the president is getting out there. >> it is? everybody in the white house is jumping ship. how can you say they're coming back. >> i'll be very open. this is the worst time for him to leave the white house. i'm sorry, rahm, i love new many respects but you're working for the president of the united states. you cannot do anything that hurts him. >> rahm has to get, what, 12,000 signatures before november 22nd? >> he has three weeks between november 22nd and -- >> larry: bob gates -- not bill gates -- >> bring bill gates in. >> larry: will at a point ask colin powell to take that. >> i think that would be fantastic. colin powell has given barack obama indirectly pretty good advice.

>> larry: and he'd are inclined to probably accept it? >> i would hope. >> i'll take ten seconds to tell you a true story. in '06 when i was running for governor there was a rumor that connell powell would be the republican nominee. and a reporter came up to me and said what are you going to do if colin powell is the nominee? i said it's very easy. they said, how is it easy? i said if these the nominee, i'll vote for him. >> larry: he can turn it around? >> absolutely. >> it would be nice, eliot to bring in not be so partisan. >> larry: liberals, as you know, many liberals are disappointed with this administration. how do you feel about them? if they're disappointed that means he's more to the center, isn't he? so you should be happier with him by that reasoning? >> well, i think everybody's disappointed with him for different reasons. and i would put myself in this great big center but slightly to the right of center. i was a big fan of barack obama

as he came into office. and was not one of those republicans who wanted him to do badly. i didn't want him to fail. i do think he made a big mistake by tackling these policies when we were very vulnerable. it was easy to see he should gone after the economy and jobs. >> larry: are you disappointed? >> is a certain respect. it's unbelievable difficult with world problems around the world, he's doing a good job tackling one by one. franklin roosevelt, two years in the administration, same place. ronald reagan, bill clinton. they've all emerged as great leaders. the eeuphoria, there's. >> larry: and reagan had a

personality, and clinton had a personality. >> a lot of people fully become themselves as a president after about two years. >> but bill clinton emerged. it was an awful moment, the oklahoma city bomber when he went there and gave this spectacular speech he became our preacher, our father, our minister, that's when the empathy emerged. >> larry: "parker spitzer" premieres monday at 8:00. you're getting a preview here. check it out. more after this.

>> larry: we're back with "parker spitzer." sounds like a law firm, but it's a television show. and it debuts monday night at 8:00, eastern, 5:00, pacific. let's talk individual races. what do you make of this new york governor's race? >> i'm going to defer. >> it's a shame it has descended into these crazy allegations with colin powell. the republican candidate is not going to win. it will be closer than people would have thought because of dynamic not only in new york, but upstate nation. the upstate economy is abomination.

andrew cuomo will win, but not with the margin. >> larry: why aren't you -- >> i'm not allowed to endorse. i guess it's endorsement. >> you would vote no matter what, right? >> no i cross party lines in races and will always vote for the best candidate. >> he will win because i think he understands what new york really needs. carl paladino's plans are simplistic. >> larry: what do you think of the governor's race in california? >> well, we've just been talking about -- >> larry: whitman. and that race is even? >> yeah, i think -- >> i think jerry brown wins. i think at the end. the jerry brown mystique. look at one point, this goes back 30 years. >> how fast things change. >> but he also was a great mayor in oakland.

he was the mayer or in oakland. he was the attorney general. i think he's going to pull it out. >> larry: have you seen the ads out there? >> i have not. >> larry: she's going to spend as much as the presidential race. >> sure, she's spending a for tune. >> larry: he's getting money into him, too. >> can we talk about the meg whitman thing. >> larry: the charge that he had an illegal weapons charge. >> and do you think that's a dealmaker? >> larry: don't you have an opinion, pulitzer prize winner? >> i don't know all the facts. >> larry: but she's in big trouble? >> i think she's in big trouble. >> larry: if she knew. >> if she knew. regardless of how it ends, she's entering a very rough week during which every fact will be parsed. and whatever communications effort she had to send a message about she's a great manager and she ran a big business and she's

going to bring back the economy. the only issue they're going to talk about is this issue, so it's a distraction. >> well, it's a huge issue with immigration sort of peaking right now. >> and occiput as you put it, sn so vigorous. >> larry: suddenly right of center, pulitzer prize winner, what's your opinion of tea party? >> i started out as less than a fan of the tea party because i thought it was terribly divisive and harmful to good candidates who could win in elections. but gradually have become more of a fan. i love -- we've talked about this on the show. we love the grassroots aspect of it. that these are people who have actually gotten themselves organized and who are passionate about what happens to this country. so you have to admire that part. i think we've been unfair to the tea party in many respects because so often we focus, we, the media. >> larry: well, they show up

with placards. >> well, there are always wei weirdos at a rally. i'm not as quick to criticize them as i was initially. >> here's the thing. we begin with the same premise, grassroots activism is great. the labor movement, women's rights, peace movement all began as grassroots movements. >> larry: all liberal movements? >> well, barry goldwater. that's a wonderful thing about dmauk these. i happen to think the tea party is real a repository of anger and their answers are as vapid as can be. >> i don't think you need to have answers. i don't think they have to -- the tea party movement doesn't to present a policy. >> well, if it the whats to be a real player in politics, eventually it needs to say,

here's what we think we should do. you can't be anihilist, you can't just say no. >> yeah, you can. >> but you can govern and do it be be politically correct. they want to be taken seriously as a governing force. they need to take one step forward. but let me tell you one step beyond that. my agony is that the democratic party, barack obama should have been the one who capitalized on the very real upset in the middle class. because this say middle class movement. it's people saying we have been ignored. barack obama should have been the voice for that. and i'm frustrated about that. >> larry: you know. what is great about you two, even though you don't agree, you have chemistry. that's what's going to make this show a hit. we'll be right back. [ woman ] alright, so this tylenol 8 hour lasts 8 hours.

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>> larry: we're back with "parker spitzer." debuts monday night. former president carter was here the other day and said he has never, in his life, or in his history seen the country more divide than right now. agree? >> well, in my lifetime -- well, no, it's not true. in the '60s, during the vietnam war, we were pretty divided then. >> that was a civil war. >> yeah. >> larry: in his lifetime. >> in his lifetime. >> larry: in vietnam, there wasn't that many in favor at the end. >> it feels that way, it feels

like we're kind of splitting apart. there are so many different elements. the tea party is actually the third element. yeah, i think -- the war period, i remember very well. >> it can come back together. it is very -- there's an anger and anxiety of fear out there that is palpable. i think every politician, every pundit writer sees it. >> the middle class is suffering. we've got more poor country than ever. >> that is going to be one of the themes of the show, we're going to talk about how do you save the middle class? the middle class is playing the price for the excess of the very, very wealthy. we've got to pfigure this out. >> there's anger, fear, about the economy and the job market. there's anger because there are all these expansions of government power at a time when they feel like there needs to

be -- >> ten years ago, when barack obama was sworn in, everybody loved him. we can get back to that. >> i don't thing so. >> not about him only. >> well, i'm optimistic because i'm an american knew that our nation can pull it together. >> larry: will you ever go back to politics? >> right now, the things i carry about is family, this tv show. and contributing in some way. if we can participate in a conversation in a certain way. >> i think eliot is going to fall in love with journalism, larry. he's going to find out that this is late more fun than politics. >> larry: why don't you fall in love with politics? >> never going happen. i've been a journalist for 30 some years. i don't know why anybody runs for public office, if you want to know the truth. >> let me defend that for a second. as journalists we mock politicians and say why do it. because those who succeed do

something really important and may be few and far in between. the cynicism is very real. >> it's not that i don't admire people who serve. >> larry: they stand up, they get counted in november. we don't get counted. >> well, yes, we do. >> larry: but we don't have a november date. we don't have a win/lose on a november date. >> no, that's right. i think eliot's going to enjoy the fact that he does have a platform. he's driven to participate in the public arena somehow. >> just the way you have. think of that contribution. >> larry: yeah. are you looking forward to it? i mean there is some queasiness? because you've had success. >> yeah. i am used to working alone and i don't speak to anybody some noon, now suddenly, i have a lot of interactions. it's exciting. >> larry: are you exciting? >> there's a lot of tension, and

people wanting to see if we succeed. and we better hit this out of the park. >> larry: sii see you even get walk around. >> this is eliot's economy lesson. >> kathleen falls asleep during this. >> you'll see i'm sleeping on the table during this section. >> larry: good luck to you. >> thank you. >> larry: good luck to you. >> thank you so much. >> larry: kathleen parker, eliot spitzer. "parker spitzer" debuts monday 8:00 eastern. tony curtis died yesterday, 85 years old. debbie reynolds joins us to talk about her friend. stick around.

>> larry: screen legend tony curtis died yesterday at age 85. debbie reynolds, the well-known actress, entertainer, she starred in "good-bye charlie" and "rat race" with tony curtis. currently performing a one-woman show. alive and fabulous. she joins coming from the theater in north hollywood. tony was a guest on this show many times. let's take a look at a clip in 1989, in which he discusses his legacy, watch. >> john renoir, a film director was a friend of mine. he told me, the meaning comes after the works. so perhaps my career will be more examined when i'm not

around to examine is myself. >> larry: like jerome powell, the looks got in the way. >> i think so. looks get in the way of everybody. we look at ugly people the same way we look at pretty people. >> larry: and make judgments? >> and we make judgments and criticize. listen, i'm really very privileged to look like i do >> larry: all right, debbie, how close were you? >> well, we were really good friends. i love that line, he says, nobody looks as good as he did. i loved life. tony loved life. he certainly didn't want to go now. nobody had a better time than tony. he loved the ladies. he loved art. he loved this business more than anything. >> larry: how good a friend was he? what kind of guy was he? >> well, he's a guy's guy, you know how you are, larry, from brooklyn, what can i say. >> larry: he's from the bronx.

>> you guys stick together. >> larry: he was a great looking guy. >> great looking guy. he had wonderful children. janet lee was a good friend of mine. of course, they were married. we were all very close friends when we were young, long, long time ago. but he had a wonderful life. he had a full life. he was a great, marvelous actor. he really showed everybody he was a good actor. "some like it hot" with monroe. he certainly was as funny as can be with that. >> larry: speaking of that, debbie, one of the most favorite roles was in a movie voted funniest comedy ever made "some like it hot." let's take a look at tony i think in drag. >> tell me, who made that flag, your wife? >> my flags those. >> who mixes the cocktails, your wife? >> no, my cocktails do it.

look, if you're interested in i'm married or not -- >> no, i'm not. >> well, i'm not. >> that's very interesting. >> larry: he's in drag for most of the movie, but that was not one of the scenes. he related to women well. he new marilyn pretty well, did he not, debbie. at least he told me that. >> yes. well, he did. we all did. marilyn was a sweet gal, she really was. tony, he was very funny in that picture. it was drag, you didn't get to see that one. i just thought he was superb. he was great in that. >> larry: debbie, how's things going with you? >> everything's going great with me. i'm always on the road 42 weeks a year. i'm going to south pointe and vegas next week. i'm going to australia and england. i'm going to pittsburgh. i just keep moving around. i figure if i stop, i'll drop

dead. >> larry: thanks, debbie. you're a great entertainer. >> you can't retire, by the way, larry. we don't want you to ever retire. >> larry: i'll be around. debbie reynolds. ♪ you'll be around. ♪ >> larry: here's a statement from jamie lee curtis. the quote is my father leaves behind a legacy of great performances in movies and in his paintings and assemblages. he leaves behind his children and family who loved him and respected him and a wife and inlaws who were devoted to him. he also leaves behind fans all over the world. he will be greatly missed. the late tony curtis. hard to say that, late. we'll be right back. hi, i'm chanelle pickens.

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usually when people feel out who i am, they get themselves a wheelchair, a shyster lawyer and sue me. >> look at it on the bright side, you've got the sexiest chest in the navy. >> he's the king. >> and i'm a slave. and i loved you the moment i saw you. >> you thirsty? colin, we gave them a heluva run

for it, didn't we? >> larry: debbie reynolds is here with us. we're talking to her about the death of tony curtis. hugh hefner of mraib. "playboy." what was stardom like for a young kid from new york who used to dream about it? >> go >> too good. >> larry: better than you thought. >> better than i thought. this was an experience i have having. how do you parlay that, how do you come out of those images, joys, disappointments that you think in your brain. the next thing you know, there you are kissing piper laurie. >> larry: and there's the red carpet. mr. curtis -- >> please. i loved it. >> larry: hugh hefner, how well did you know tony? >> well, dwron a shg, tony and .

he was going to accept an award from the box office people as the top male actor of the year. and i was hosting "play boy's" penthouse. and we clicked immediately. we became very close friends. >> larry: what was special about him? >> well, what you saw in particularly his comedic roles, it's who tony was. he was a very special, lovable, likable guy. just a dear friend during good times and bad. and it was a real shocker for me, age notwithstanding, it was a real shocker for me to wake up and discover that he passed away. >> larry: den bbie, what made h a star? >> well, i have to laugh because

we're talking to hugh. everything beautiful with the playgirls. what made tony the store, he had the "it" thing. he was funny, kerry grant quality. he had it. >> larry: hugh, do you agree he had it? >> i agree very much with what she said. you know, he was charismatic in person and on screen. and he was a beautiful human being inside and out. >> larry: let's take a look at tony in "spartacus." >> slaves you were and slaves you'll remain. but the terrible penalty of crucifixion has been set aside on the single condition that you identify the body or the living person of the slave called spartacus!

>> i'm spartacus! >> i'm spartacus! >> i'm spartacus! >> i'm spartacus! >> i'm spartacus! >> i'm spartacus. >> all: i'm spartacus! >> larry: what a movie that was. laurence olivier. kirk is still around, kirk douglas. hugh, his son died in '94 of a heroin overdose, were you close to him at that time? >> talking to me >> larry: yeah. >> close to whom? >> larry: tony. >> yes, absolutely. not in that context, but yes. >> larry: how did he handle that? >> i don't really have any

particular frame of reference in terms of that. >> larry: debbie, he battled drugs and alcohol himself, did he not? >> well, yeah. i think that tony handled it very well because he had -- the other children, you know, were very special. jamie lee and kelly. and the other children, you know, they helped him through that. and tony could always meet a crisis. you know, he tried to be a very good father because he was a good person. he tried to be the best that he could be. >> larry: thank you, we're out of time. i've got to run. debbie, thank you so much. by the way, in later years, curtis began painting and i actually have one of his originals in my hallway at home. he was quite a painter. we'll have more on the life and legacy of the one and only bernie schwartz, better known as tony curtis next. ♪

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>> larry: we're back. let's check in with anderson cooper, what's our lead? >> we're keeping them honest tonight, more on the strange case, that michigan assistant attorney general targeting a student. for months he's written a blog, calling the student a nazi. he's put a swastika on the kid's face, called him a bigot, even satan's representative. his boss, the attorney general refuses to fire him or even discipline him, saying it's a matter of free speech.

today we learned the student has applied for a personal protection order and the campus has barred the assistant attorney general to go there. will that prod the attorney general to act? also, a case that has shocked the nation. 18-year-old tyler clementi committed suicide jumping off the george washington bridge, his roommate is accused of taping him in a sexual encounter and broadcasting it live online. dr. phil joins me to discuss how this keeps happening and what needs to be done to stop this kind of bullying. those stories and more the at top of the hour. >> thanks, anderson. 10:00 eastern, 7:00 pacific. we'll be calling on friends of cnn heroes to tell us more about these extraordinary people. today, academy award winning actress mira, sorvino introduces you to one of them, rescued and

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>> larry: tony curtis, dead at the age of 85. quite a character. appeared on this show many times. here he is talking with me about what life was like behind the scenes on the set of "some like it hot." did you like that script right away? >> right away. we never got a finished script. billy wiler called me, he says, i've got an idea for a movie. two men get dressed up as girls because they see a murder and they have to escape and join the girls. i said i'll do it. i'll play the girl.

>> larry: and jack likely right away, too? >> right away. he came about a week later, frank's going to be too much trouble. i saw a guy in a movie that i thought was excellent, jack lemon. i had known jack socially by then. i thought, great, because we're the same age. it was much better. he says i'm going to get marilyn to play the girl. >> larry: you knew marilyn. >> i knew her then 12 years. >> larry: had a little romance. >> i did have a little romance with her. she was a lovely girl, a lovely woman. >> larry: how good a talent? >> quite good. look at her in "some like it hot." every moment was perfect for her. we as actors are at the mercy of a script, bad words, bad words. she was excellent but she was troubled, you know, during that picture, larry. troubled. >> were you close to remember her right to the end? >> right. it was impossible to get there

near the end of the movie she was so out of it. >> larry: where were you when she died? >> i was in europe. >> larry: how did you hear? >> i heard it -- i heard it from the concierge at the hotel. it was a shock to me. you know? i liked her a lot. listen. everybody's got differences. you know? but at those early days, for marilyn and me, we're the king congress kongs of the business. >> larry: what was it like to dress up as a woman. >> i liked it. at the beginning i wasn't sure i would like it. but i liked it. there was something appealing about it. >> larry: what? >> i found it was delicate. >> larry: thought like a woman? >> i thought of my mother and grace kelly. nice combination.

they sent me to western costume with jack lemon. i was putting on ann margaret's dresses and loretta young, and they looked horrible. so i went to billy, i said those dresses don't look good and i want to feel comfortable. he says let ori make them for you. i ran and told jack, before we started, i said, jack, guess what? he said what? i said, ori kelly is going to make our dresses. he went, oh! we both gom so excit so excited. they took our measurements, 18, 36, 55, 44, 36, then he went and did marilyn, it was in a bare of panties and little blouse. this guy was -- and you know, kelly was cute, he had this tape, those soft tapes that he would throw it out, it would rip out, he'tc