correspondent, mr. ali velshi. >> you have a great afternoon. i'm going to be with you for the next two hours today and every weekday. i'll guide you through the maze of information coming your way. together, we're going to learn what's going on at home and around the world. i'll give you access to folks who can explain what it means today and beyond today. we'll showcase the best ideas in innovation and public edge kax. my mission is to help you figure out how what's going on fits into your life. the government try iing to chip away at credit card fees that come back to you. but one major card company is fighting back. plus, if you thought space was the final frontier, you haven't seen anything yet. what was discovered is astonishing and what hasn't even more astonishing and i can't bleeping believe it. a new study says swearing can

sometimes be good for you especially if your stub your toe or cut your thumb. but first, sex, drugs gun and the gavel. our lead story wouldn't get past the slush pile as a novel. it is too outlandish, but the people are real. the facts are alleged and the upshot is this. a senior federal judge here in atlanta, jack camp, is free on $50,000 bond after an fbi sting in which he tried to buy narcotics for his stripper girlfriend. he appeared yesterday at a hearing. all the judges now camp personally and can't take part in his case. an fbi special agent outlined his arrest last friday night in the parking lot of a club where he allegedly bought cocaine,

marijuana and prescription painkillers. he was accompanied by the stripper -- and cooperating with the feds. his legal troubles are compounded by the charge he was carrying two handguns at the time, but his lawyer insists this is first and foremost a domestic dispute. >> judge camp is a army veteran, served in vietnam. attended the citadel and has been a judge for over 20 years and based on all that, he's going to make it through this. this is really a case between judge camp and his wife. it's not a case about judge camp being a judge. >> i want to talk about being a judge. the nation has 1700 federal judges, give or take. they are the front line and forces of federal law and the

defenders of federal right. they are appointed by presidents for life and while they can be removed for misdeeds, this isn't easy. they can be removed after impeachment and trial and conviction by the senate. ins history of the republic, only seven federal judges have been impeached, convicted and removed. the federal judge from new orleans has a senate trial last month of corruption charges. bill is a reporter for the atlanta journal constitution and has been following the trial. he joins me on the phone. this is a remarkable story. it seems outlandish on the top. what are you getting from it? >> it was one of those cases that surprised everybody. in fact, just started kind of came out around noon. lawyers started calling all over

the place. one of those things that before i came out in court, because he's a long time judge, 22 years on the federal bench, suspenders wearing, quotes shakespeare, reagan appointee and a relatively tough judge on sentencing. >> who is going to prosecute this because as we said, everybody knows this guy. federal judges are particularly important in the justice system. >> someone from another circuit. whether they have a special prosecutor come in and another judge in yesterday from alabama, i believe. that will be someone who's just not from this circuit, who's not friends with him and hasn't been on the bench or working with him. >> let's talk about the fact he has known as a tough sentencer.

the prowrestles who killed his wife in 2007. camp sentenced him to ten years in prison for providing the drugs that he used. >> right. there was a plea for leniency for lawyers and from the doctor. he worried about people's pain and that he was trying to do well although you know, the charges were that he was a pill dispensary, a pill mill, and that two people at least other than outside of this wrestler case, had died of overdoses, so the judge said the harm that you've done outweighs all the good you may have done. >> bill, thank you for joining us. we'll continue to follow the case. we'll find out whether there are

cases this judge ruled in that may be in jeopardy now. breaking news out of connecticut. the judge has found steven hayes guilty of murder. hayes and another man were can accused of killing a mother and her two daughters and burning their house down. the father was tied up, severely beaten. haste could face the death penalty in the sentencing phase of his trial. we're going to keep a close eye on this story. with the midterm elections just around the corner, candidates are campaigning hard and trying to save face. one of the most interesting if not unusual of course is christine o'donnell. the republican senate nominee from delaware. she has made a name for herself. not by what she does, but by what comes out of her mouth.

in 1999, o'donnell said she had tried every other kind of religion including witchcraft. now, a new campaign. don't take everything shesz so literally. it's our sound effect along with bill maher's response. >> i'm not a witch. i'm nothing you've heard. i'm you. none of us are perfect. but none of us can be happy with what we see around us. politicians who think spending and back room deal ws the ways to stay in office. i'll go to washington and do what you'd do. i'm christine o'donnell and i approve this message. i'm you. >> i think when you have to start your campaign with ad with, i'm not a witch, the battle has been lost. i think she would have been much smarter to ignore that, but being much smarter is not her

strong suit. >> tonight, he talks politics with john king at 7:00 on cnn. the right to speak versus the rigts to grieve in peace. the conflict lands at the doorstep of the supreme court. you are going to meet the people involved when we come back. it's a heart wrenching, dramatic story. what's her advantage? it's speedy alka-seltzer! [ male announcer ] alka-seltzer plus rushes relief for all-over achy colds. the official cold medicine of the u.s. ski team. alka-seltzer plus.

we were telling you about a new ruling in the case of a very story in connecticut. here is the family. >> cards, prayers, e-mails, texts, donations to the foundation. there's just been a support from all over. we did our best to keep our faith in god that justice will be served. we really thank the jury for their due diligence and careful consideration of the charges in reaching what we feel has been an appropriate verdict. and we hope they will continue

to use the same diligence and clarity of thought as they consider arguments in the penalty phase of the trial. >> even though there was a sense of inevitability, was there is a sense of relief? >> there is some relief, but my -- my family is still gone. it doesn't bring them back. it doesn't bring back the home that we had, but certainly guilty verdict is much better sense of relief than a guilty of verdict of not guilty. >> what are they saying now with this verdict?

>> i think jennifer would say that she never prayed to god to ask for specific things. she prayed to god to ask for the strength to be able to handle the things that happened to her in her life such as the -- and i think probably they were all pray r for her strength to be able to be here beginning back in january of this year when jury selection began. >> there's a point in the trial where you felt the outcome would have not turned out the way it did? >> no, i thought the evidence was fairly overwhelming and i thought mr. deerinton and

nicholson did a great job in the case. i don't know if it was the reaction i thought the family thought from the beginning that each defendant would point the finger at the others. we sort of expected it. >> are you disappoint snd. >> no. >> you've got a penalty phase, another trial, another penalty phase. three more trials. >> people keep asking that question. why do you do it or how.

most of you are good human beings. i think you'd probably do the same for your family if your family was destroyed by evil, i would think you would all do the same thing and be there for your family. it's the one thing you can do. do i want to do it, do i like forward every day? no, i have a little nausea every day i get off the exit ramp, every time i get out of the car and walk across the street. i do it for my family, but i think all of you, i think would do the same thing for your families. >> how will you spend the next week and a half? >> haven't really thought about it. have a couple of golf invitations from some good frepds. if the rain stops.

>> the jury did deliberate in this short period of time -- for another week -- >> it's easier to have to wait several weeks, but having never been in this position before, don't know what to expect. in fact, our victim's advocate and mr. deerington and mr. nicholson didn't know what to expect either. i had no prediction. >> we as the media -- >> good question.

probably sit on the couch and talk and probably have dinner together and try to decide what we're going to do. dick and mary bell are here in route to their home in florida, whether they'll stay the two weeks and wait or head to florida and come back for the second part of the trial. there have been no plans on what their actions would be. i don't know that i completely understand it.

i really don't want to comment on that and interject anything that may affect the second part of the trial. >> he is a convicted killer. it is official. they've ruled on that. does he matter anymore to you? >> well, what matters to me most is my family and memories of my family and trying to do good things through our foundation. i don't know over the last couple of weeks, i just kept trying to tell myself that good will overcome evil. trying to refocus myself on the positive and stay away from the negative. >> thank you, everybody.

we're going to get home. >> thank you. >> and that was dr. william pettitte. he is the father of two girls, husband of a wife, all of whom were murdered in july of 2007. it was a torturous case. they tied him up, forced his wife to go to the bank and when she returned, they killed her along with his two daughters. this is one verdict. more on this case in a while. up next, the right to speak versus the right to grieve in peace. the conflict lands at the doorstep of the supreme court. you're going to meet the people involved when we come back. [ advisor 1 ] what do you see yourself doing one week,

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we're on the seventh floor here. downstairs is a huge food court. i bet if i went downstairs and asked 100 people whether americans should have the right to voice unpopular opinions in america, i think 100 would say yes. what if i asked whether protessitores had the right to yell hateful, hurtful things at the funerals of those killed in iraq or afghanistan? tomorrow, a court takes up the right versus free expression versus the right of families to bury their sons or daughters in

peace. kate bolduan has the story. >> reporter: matthew schneider was 20 years old when he was killed in iraq. tell me about march 3rd, 2006. the day you found out that he was killed. >> it was probably the worst day of my life. if you lose a parent, you're an orphan. if you lose a spouse, you're a widower or widow, but if you lose a child, there's not a word to describe it. >> reporter: even after all this time, the pain -- >> it's still there and no different. >> reporter: but albert says that was only the beginning of the nightmare for his family. members of the kansas church picketed outside the funeral as they have hundreds of times before. the church believes soldiers are dying because god is punishing

the country for the sin of quote, homosexuality. >> i'm sorry they -- >> we're here to tell them they sent their child to hell. >> reporter: the funeral was held here. albert schneider preparing to bury his only son. and here, nearby on this public street is where the church members gathserred for their angry protest, triggering this constitutional battle. >> it comes down to dignity. no one should be buried with what they did to them. >> reporter: they sued, but the family argues they're protected by freedom of self-expression.

>> when they protest outside of a private funeral, they're not trying advocate for our against a particular position. they're harassing a family. >> reporter: the phelps family declined to be intervud about the case, but told the court they weren't targeting schneider personally saying -- adding -- >> they want to litigate or religious doctrine. well, you don't do that in america. >> each one of them are going to hell. >> reporter: the phelps' have the support of free speech advocates and some media groups. schneider has the support of 48 states and members of congress. you and your family have suffered so much. why do you want to take this fight? >> so other people don't have to

go through the same thing we went through. >> kate, you said he's got to support of a number of stories. what do some states do to limit this sort of thing? >> reporter: it's quite complex. you hit the nail on the head when you led into this piece. there have been separate state efforts to impose refrictions on protest targeting military funeral, but so far, they have failed in federal court. that's why this case made it to the supreme court. it's highly emotional, but this is the supreme court and if you talk to supreme court watchers and experts, the supreme court often says the more unpopular a speech is what needs protection.

>> boy, we seem to have seen a year where we have so many of these things to challenge. thanks for joining us. it is called a swipe fee and the merchant pays it, but that cost comes right back to you. we're going to find out what the justice department wants to do about this. [ woman ] alright, so this tylenol 8 hour lasts 8 hours. but aleve can last 12 hours. and aleve was proven to work better on pain than tylenol 8 hour.

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every time you use your credit card, the merchant has to pay a swipe fee. it usually amounts to about 2% of the total on the bill. a big source of revenue for

credit card companies. that's why some places give you a different price. those fees find their way back to you, the consumer, one way or the other. now, yesterday, the justice department filed suit against american express. they said it has been block merchants from offering lower cost payment options to customers. visa and mastercard have agreed to a settlement, but american express says it's going to fight it. christina romance, author of a new book, joins me now to sort this out. this morning, a number of producers asked us to explain. i did what i rarely do. i said, christine will explain it later.

>> this is a secret fee. you buy a card from hallmark and the company has to pay anywhere from six to 15 cents. many people say the price you pay for your card the higher because it has to absorb that little chunk. there are swipe fees. $35 billion a year. that's more than we spend on books or fresh vegetables. a lot of money being paid every time you use your card. >> we don't think they shouldn't earn money. >> that's right. here's the glitch and what they've agreed to do and american express has not. the retailers want to say, if you use this card that has no frills and rewards and there is a one or two percent fee, swipe

fee, i'll give you free shipping or something like maybe free package, wrap the package for you they want customers to have the choice. that's something american express says they don't think they're going to pass along the savings. but many of the small businesses, they want to be able to have that choice and allow us to know how much extra is changing hands. >> in the conversation i just had with kate balt win, it's the freedom of information. great to see you, we will continue talking to you. the book is fantastic. "smart is the new rich." >> thanks. i encourage you to read this. it is fun. it has tips in it.

has that famous roman yum ral. . watch us every weekend at 1:00 p.m. eastern. won't be there th week. after this, we are going below the ocean to show you things that no one has seen before. before i leave you, how much do you know about the ocean? give it your best guess. i'll give you the answer on the other side.

time for the most in depth story of the day, maybe the decade. before we went to the break, i asked you how many species do

scientists believe live in our ocean. the answer is b. 1 million. the reason we asked is because 2700 scientists from around the world have just finished a ten-year $650 million study of the world's oceans. it's called the census of marine life. the schools of fish the size of manhattan to tiny, never before seen creatures living in floor cracks where it's hot enough to melt lead. one of the men behind this endeavor is with us today. >> good to see you. thanks for joining us. >> thank you for having us. it's a wonderful day for our oceans and ocean life. >> i think we could bet you know more about the ocean than i do and maybe most of our viewers. what surprised you or did anything? what's the finding that is most

interesting to the world in the study? >> as you said, this is a ten-year, unprecedented study looking at ocean life. after ten years of consolidated, adding significantly to that knowledge what we continue is an ocean far richer in species than we ever expected. doesn't matter whether we're in the coldest parts in the poles, the hot tropics, shallow seas or deep ocean, it's a place rich in life. also oceans connected through the move of animals. some move from the north so south. it's more connected and sadly, it's also changed more than we

expected. that change occurred far earlier than and far quicker than we might have thought and for the -- but there is some message of hope there for a couple -- >> tell me what that is. >> all we ever seem to hear about the environment about e kol ji is how it's going to hell in a hand basket thanks to us in the large part and natural occurrences. what's the message of hope? >> sadly for some species, it managed to go back and reconstruct robust information from historical records. for many of the large animals, the sharks, tunas, whales, they declined early and quickly. for many, declines are up around 80, 90% of levels prior to our

exploitation. for a couple of species, notably the wild and seals, with the population, those have recovered. similar for the sea birds. but sadly for others, others that we've exploited, they are significantly depleted. >> we thank you for coming and telling us a little about it. we're going to put a link up so people can learn more about this. the chair of the census steering committee. the census of marine life. what a great idea. there are lessons to be taken from this, so go to my blog and connect to it. three simple words that could save lives. a new campaign reaches out to bullied, gay teens with that very message. it gets better. on the other side.

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in last month, four teenagers made headlines by taking their own lives. all were gay or perceived as gay by their classmates. all had endured bullying because of it. as folks grapple with this issue, there has been a lot of outrage to current and potential bullies to try and make them understand the damage they can do. a new campaign is taking a different attack. it's not focusing on bullies. it's focusing on current and potential victims. >> it gets better. >> it gets better. >> it gets better.

>> there's hope and help. >> people are here for you. people who care and understand. >> it may be the darkest time in the world for you, but you need to understand there is hope. there's always hope and always help. >> the project was the brain child of dan savage. we saw some celebrity contributions there. savage really wanted regular folks to weigh in. he tells us how the project got started. >> i was reading about the suicide in minnesota and shortly after, the suicide of billy lucas. i have the reaction that gay adults typically have, i wish i could have talked to this kid for five minutes and tell him it gets better. in these small towns, you're not going bring an openly gay person to address the student body. we're not going to get an invitation from their parents. then it occurred to me i don't have to wait.

my husband and i made a video where we talked about our experience. we survived and have great, wonderful lives now. we created this chonl so gay adults could upload videos and give these kids hope. our average couples, singles, young people, old people, all over the country. we've got videos from new zeala zealand, germany and canada. a 15-year-old who takes his life because he's gay is saying i can't picture a future for myself that has joy in it. where there's enough happyness coming my way that i can tough out this horrifying period. the response is helping. i'm getting e-mails every day from moms of bullied 13, 14, 15-year-old kids sitting down with their bullied kids and

watching these videos. they're now able to say to their children, you can have a happy life. please hang in there. >> that's compelling. you can hear more from dan savage tomorrow night when he talks to anderson cooper, part of his report. the coverage wraps up friday night. i'll put a link to itgetsbett itgetsbetter.org so you can share that. there is just no reason for this to go on and society's got to get together to make bullying of people for any reason particularly because they might be gay. time for globe trekking. first stop, chile. ever so close. that sums up the attempt to rescue 33 miners who have been trapped for more than two months. that rescue shaft is now only 524 feet from the miners. anxious family members are

praying. officials say now is the most dangerous period because there's the possibility of a new cave-in. to prevent that, officials are considering whether to line the shaft with steel casing. they've been testing the capsule and the rescue could begin as early as october 15th. now to israel and a case involving two soldiers. a court has con vicked them for using a child as a human shield. it happened when the soldiers found bags in a home and ordered the boy to search them for explosiv explosives. no bombs were found and the boy was returned unharmed. this is believed to be the first such conviction in israel. sentencing will be handed down at a later date.

and the israeli military is investigating the video here. it appears to be an israeli soldier dancing around someone who is bound and blindfolded. in a statement, the military denounced the action. this past summer, a former israeli soldier posted photos of herself posing in front of blindfolded prisoners. in new delhi, india, the commonwealth games are underway. teams did show up. no denying another problem. empty seats. in a bid to counter the problem, officials are opening door, offering free admission, but what has really caught our attention are the monkeys here. they've joined around 100,000 security officers to keep visitors safe. monkeys to keep other wild

monkeys, which can be found all over new delhi, to keep people from attending the game. the bad monkeys snatch food and sometimes take a bite out of them. the good monkey, they are trained. it takes about two years to train for security detail, so they brought in bigger, good monkeys to chase out the smaller, bad monkeys. and there's been a major revolution in video games that could have major implications on everything from the auto shop to the pentagon. we've got a live, in studio demo coming up. stay with me. here's the truth:

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okay. big i today. we've been talking to the folks from georgia tech a lot recently. last week i had blair mcintyre to talk about something called augmented reality. he's back as well as marybeth gandy. they have this new idea of augmented reality, a term some of our viewers will know but some won't. it's the idea you're applying this to the world of gaming but the implications are far greater. everybody that games knows cooler things happen. you're talking about something that can change things. first of all this is the idea it works through a smartphone like you have got. we've connected the smartphone. you don't normally need to do this. we did so you could see what she's shooting on the big screen. >> the idea here is unlike in the past where games were restricted to the tv, here we're pushing it through the screen

out into the world around you. we're trying to create social games like board games or card games where instead of staring at screens we're looking at each other in the game. in this this is a kind of a.r. board game. >> that means augmented reality. >> yes. when marybeth looks down at this board -- this is just a standard verizon smartphone -- >> tilt down to the board. to the naked eye, it looks like nothing. there's nothing going on. yet when you point the camera down now you're looking at this scene behind us which has people and things going on. >> it's a little office we're in control of. we're trying to make the nerds in the office work. and they can sense us. here i can look in close and watch over them. here i'm going to pick him up and drop him to fpunish him for not working. i'll give him doughnuts and drop them down to make amends. >> software in that phone, the augmented reality software, i'm

assuming there's something special about that board. >> there's a certain kind of feature -- >> tell me how this transfers from the world of gamers into the real world. >> so anything that you could imagine looking at you could do. if we're in a emergency response unit maybe this is a map of downtown atlanta or baghdad. when i look at it with the phone that i happen to have in my pocket, i can now see any information you can be sending to me, whether it's -- >> how to get there -- >> or information where a virus might be spreading or bombs going off or any units in the military might be. and i would see it on the map. and if we were all looking at it together we could be sharing information, seeing things together. and because of the way that the graphics really appear to be locked on to this, it feels like it's out here if. >> i'm going to ask mark to do this again, to show us. this looks like nothing. this looks like a black and white screen. yet the video what she's seeing is on the screen. it's a vibrant dynamic

environment. >> the phone feels like a lens you're looking through and you see both together. >> this could have all sorts of implications. just as simple i was telling someone i wish we could look at a map together and we're in different places and i could draw where you need to go. that's a simple application. it can be anything you can think of in that sense. collaborative work or things that need to have something imposed on a two dimensional image. >> right now it's two dimensional but in the future probably in the next few years it's moving to 3d stuff and eventually the world around us. right now the nerds are running around and we're torturing them but instead we could see virtual characters around the studio we could interact with. it could be for games or distributed work. instead of looking at a videoconference in order to see your colleagues, you could see them virtually around the table with you. eventually it will be head-mounted displays -- >> what's it like to live in the future?

>> it's pretty awesome. it's very fun, actually, to kind of see what's coming ahead of time. >> i worry about you because you were dropping that little guy to punish him. too much control and things can go bad. thank you for being here. keep this stuff coming. i love what you're doing at georgia tech. just around the corner. check out other projects being worked on at georgia tech. head to my blog cnn.com/ali. i love this stuff. michelle obama says she needs your help. we'll see what her appeal is all about in your cnn politics update coming up. with clients l- financing their fleet, sharing our expertise, and working with people who are changing the face of business in america. after 25 years in the aviation business, i kind of feel like if you're not having fun at what you do, then you've got the wrong job. my landing was better than yours. no, it wasn't. yes, it was. was not. yes, it was. what do you think? take one of the big ones out? nah.

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cnnpolitics.com update. cnn senior political editor mark preston and deputy political director paul steinhauser watching developments from the politics desk. weird. sitting next to each other. >> we're joined by christine o'donnell or cnnpolitics.com. the story on christine o'donnell, she has a new ad out. she's that tea party candidate out of delaware who shocked the world by winning the republican nomination. she has a new 30-second ad out. as i say, the first thing she says is, i am not a witch. she's not talking about the economy. she comes out and addresses the whole controversy about comments she made on bill maher on his "politically incorrect" program. she dabbles with that and tries to diffuse it a little bit and goes on to talk about how she's going to come to washington and change things up. this is certainly one of the most talked about stories in washington today. 688 "people" on our facebook application have sent this to

their friends. what have you got? >> michelle obama. she's not talking about witchcraft. what she is doing is talking about fund-raising. she put out a letter e-mail to the democratic national committee organizing for america unit which is basically the grassroots side of the democratic party. put out a fund-raising plea especially to people who helped volunteer for her husband's campaign in 2008 and democratic officials tell me that tomorrow michelle obama will be part of a call -- fund-raising call. >> paul, hold on a second. i can just watch you all the time but we can't really hear you all that well. tap your mike for me. >> oh, sorry about that. >> move it up a little bill. >> get it real close. >> there we go. >> ali, take a look here. that's the story brand new for you guys at cnnpolitics.com. remember michelle obama, we're going to see a lot of her on the campaign trail the next couple of weeks campaigning for democratic candidates. mark, back to you. >> ali, let's talk about the closing argument.

28 days until election day. will former house speaker newt gingrich, someone looking at running for president in 2012 has put a memo out to republican candidates and telling them to frame the midterm elections in very simple terms. he's telling them to frame it in the argument of food stamps versus where they are now. let me just read his quote. it's very, very simple. it is a fact that in january 2007 when nancy pelosi and harry reid took over congress unemployment was at 6.four% and food stam was 625 million americans. now unemployment 9.6% and 40 million americans are on food stamps. >> dangerous territory using those numbers and trying to attach it to the republicans having caused that because some will say this started before the democrats got into office. i bet you never saw a political ad that started with "i am not a

witch." your next update an hour away. he we talked to warren buffett and asked him for investment advice. i'm going to bring that to you. you'll also want to listen to this guy mario armstrong. he says he has a way to make your kids more competitive in the global arena. we know american children have been falling behind in science, technology, engineering and math. mario can tell you how they can catch up. and did you know that 70% of african-american kids, boys, cannot swim? i didn't know this. our "mission possible" guest marcellus wily is trying to change that. a former nfl star who has found a new field to work in. first, sex, drugs, guns and the gavel. our lead story wouldn't get past the slush pile in a novel because it is so outlandish. but the people are real and the

facts aren't alleged. a senior federal judge here in atlanta, jack t. camp is free on $50,000 bond after an fbi sting in which he allegedly tried to buy narcotics for his stripper girlfriend. camp who is 67 years old appeared on the wrong side of the federal bench yesterday at a hearing in front of a visiting magistrate. all the judges based here and prosecutors know him personally and can't take part in the case. it's a sizzling affidavit. an fbi agent outlines the arrest last friday night in the parking lot of a club where he allegedly bought cocaine, marijuana and prescription painkillers from an undercover agent. he was accompanied by the unnamed stripper who he had allegedly been paying for sex for several months and secretly recording conversations and cooperating with the feds. compounded by the charge he was carrying two hand guns at the time of the buy but the lawyer insists this is first and

foremost a domestic dispute. >> judge camp is an army veteran, served in vietnam, attended the citadel and has been a judge for over 20 years and based on all that, he's going to make it through this. this is really a case between judge camp and his wife. it's not a case about judge camp being a judge. >> wow, now -- there's a lot of stuff about this case that's fascinating. i'm joined by lester tate who is going to help me through this. firs let me tell what you a federal judge is about. the nation has 1700 give or take. they're hugely important. they're the front line enforcers of federal laws and appointed for life. they can be removed for their misdooedz but only after impeachment by the house of representatives and trial and conviction by the senate. in the history of the republic, only seven federal judges have been impeached, convicted and

removed. thomas porteous may be the eighth. let's not get ahead of ourselves in the camp case. all we are are charges here. we do want to talk about the ramifications of judges accused of wrongdoing. lester tate is a veteran trial law lawyer in the state and federal courts who now serves as president of the state bar of georgia and is joining me now. thank you for joining us. i'm not a lawyer so i can't get ahead of ourselves but that seemed unusual what camp's lawyer said that first and foremost this is a matter between camp and his wife. not if you're arrested in a parking lot attempted to allegedly buying drugs. >> certainly there are allegations of criminal wrongdoing in that as well so it's not just a domestic abuse. i assume probably what his lawyer was trying to say is this did not involve any actual misconduct on the -- >> that is my question for the viewer. if it's a guy in atlanta who was buying drugs for his stripper girlfriend, fascinating though that might be, is a lasalacious

might be but has nothing to do with the viewers. >> i think what it is if something is not okay for the public it's not okay for the federal judge. our whole system of federal law is based on everybody owe base the same law, answers in the same way. just as you, ali, talked about the presumption of innocence that attaches to him, that's the same attached to everyone who has appeared before him in a criminal case. >> again, nothing happens until there is some sort of a case. he is subject to a normal criminal case at this point. >> he's been arrested and subject to a normal criminal case -- >> or proceedings. >> or proceedings for that, exactly. he's entitled to have a speedy trial. he could demand a speedy trial. you could do that. there's all sorts of things but also entitled to be have a grand jury. >> if you're convicted that doesn't necessarily mean he's not a federal judge. >> no, it doesn't. or if he's acquitted it doesn't mean he's not going to be a federal judge. he has senior status which is

sort of quasi retirement. he stepped down around the time president obama was elected, although he was a reagan appointee. but right now in the united states house of representatives you have alcee hastings who was essentially acquitted of criminal conduct but impeached and removed from the federal bench and elected to the united states house of representatives. >> are there enough people who can try and participate in this case given how senior he is? >> i think so. there are over 600 federal judges throughout the nation. so i don't think you're going to have a problem getting that but the folks here have done the right thing in that you want impartial justice and the u.s. attorney's office recused itself. we have a magistrate that came in yesterday from the middle district of alabama. and i think chief justice roberts has the right to appoint another judge to hear that. >> thanks for clearing that up. the president of the state bar of georgia. all right. it was a gruesome case. gruesome. a home invasion in an affluent

connecticut town. a mother and her two daughters murdered. today a jury convicted stephen hayes, a paroled burglar, of capital murder in the deaths of jennifer hawke-petit and her two daughters age 11 and 17. her husband dr. william petit was beaten with a baseball bat and tied up but he survived the ordeal. he spoke to reporters after the verdict and it's our sound effect. >> you've got a penalty phase, another trial, another penalty phase, three more trials to sit through. >> people keep asking that question. why do you do it or how do you do it. i think most of you out here, you know, are good human beings. i think you would all probably do the same thing for your families if your family was destroyed by evil. i think that you would all try

to do the same thing and be there for your family. i mean, it's the one thing you can do. so do i really want to do it? do i look forward to the ride every day? no. i have a little nausea every time i get off the exit ramp, a little nausea every time i get out of the car and walk across the street. but i think -- i do it for my family, but i think all of you, i think, would do the same thing for your families. >> petit was referring to the fact that not only is he there to see these prosecutions through, he's been particularly involved in his community. many people are very surprised at how he's turned his life around and become someone who just helps out a lot in the community. his wife before they killed her was forced to go to the bank and withdraw $15,000 and return home and then they killed her. the killings took place july of 2007. prosecutors are seeking the death penalty against hayes.

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a lot of excellent tv tonight. bill maher will talk about christine o'donnell and on anderson cooper 360 there's a great series on bullying all week. i didn't know there was that much to talk about with bullying. there is. i say the word s.t.e.m. a lot. we're a little geeky and science and technology obsessed. stands for science, technology, engineering and mathematics. it's an 5:a acronym for educati and how the kids are educated in that area. we're not doing all that well in america. this is what america's education is based on s.t.e.m. education. we produced the beth scientists and mathematicians. it's not happening. president obama is pushing all of this with all his might to help prepare american students to be competitive with international peers. joining me to talk about this

program is mario armstrong. he's an expert in many things but especially technology as it can apply to students. mario and i were together in charlotte, north carolina, on friday at a conference about broadband equality. >> that's right. >> the alliance for digital equality which brought to light the idea that there are so many people in this country who just don't have simple access to the internet affordably. they're left behind. if it's there they can't afford to buy it. how do we get s.t.e.m. experts out of our students if we don't have the internet? we'll talk about that separately. there is an initiative you made interesting to me that you were talking about that the administration is trying to get to get people to study. >> this is huge. i really appreciate you putting a spotlight on this because we are in this global situation right now. we're talking about global competitiveness. right now we rank 25th out of 30 in math according to the oecd. 31 out of science.

when you look at other countries and globalization we're in trouble. >> brazil, india, china pushing ahead on this. >> hard core. and this is from the top down. and that's what's been the difference. from the nation down from the top. so now we have a president -- >> by the way, some people call socialism but the fact is those countries force them to learn those things. we don't here. >> not to the degree we're doing it. graduating programmers, scientists, innovators, people that can develop and then manufacture and sell those things. we're losing that edge. a lot of people don't want to deal with this reality but in 1970, 50% of the people in the world that had science and engineering doctorates were americans. the projection says that number will drop to 15% in 2011. 15 from 50. how to get the kids engaged. throw out all the stuff that's not working and one thing that doesn't get in the classroom are video games. parents are a little not understanding of this.

they think video games are isolation from social. they think they're negative in nature. what we're missing is the learning process behind developing a video game. at the end of the day when you've created a video game, if you haven't looked at a video key sign book or how it created then stop the madness. you don't understand the educational potential we're missing by getting kids to relate to games. >> i just had the folks on from georgia tech. it makes you think about how to solve a lot of the world's problems. >> you don't understand. that augmented reality piece they are tranls feshl skills. they can show up in other industries. not necessarily about creating video games. it requires critical thinking, problem solving, hypotheses. when you peel it back there's physics and mathematics. we need to get -- the president has announced this national s.t.e.m. challenge. it's stemchallenge.org for

middle school as well as older kids to create a game that lenges math and science to get them interested and excited and win money or prizes for their school. that's one. i think we need to take it a step further. think about how to take the process of developing games and make that supported curricula throughout the school. >> i can see some resistance to this but the idea is it's a great way to get kids who don't understand why that algebra problem has anything to do with their lives. you've got programmers. >> you want to go to geometry class with me or create a video game? carnegie mellon has done this with a program they can use right away. alice.org. and m.i.t. has a program called scratch.mit.edu. it teaches them how to create games on the computer in an easy environment. >> thank you for telling us about this. what a great idea to get

involved in science, technology, engineering and mathematics. you see him on cnn. we'll talk more to him again shortly. another guy really smart in this country warren buffett. did you know i would compare you to him? one of the world's wealthiest men, most respected investors. he says the rich need to pay more taxes and the poor need to pay less. we'll hear what he told cnn about the road to economic recovery.

when warren buffett talks, people listen. he spoke in washington this morning at the women in power summit. i don't understand why he's always at the summit but that's another story. afterward he sat down with cnn's poppy harlow. i get why she's there. she joins me from washington. she has a great relationship

with warren buffett and interviews him on a regular bas basis. the world wants to know what does warren buffett think is happening with the economy and what does he think you should do about it? >> reporter: it's a great question. warren buffett said first of all the recession isn't really over for the average american, it's not over. of course it's been technically declared over but in his words what he's seeing is this recession has not ended. he talked to us about economic recovery where we stand but also said something he's never said before when it comes to those very controversial bush tax cuts especially when it comes to what should be done for poor people in this country when it comes to taxes. take a listen to part of our situation. >> i think we should raise taxes on the very rich and maybe cut taxes for the middle class -- >> more than the bush tax cuts? >> it could well be. i believe that in terms of the -- we're taking in about 15 and a fraction percent of gdp in

income in the united states. that isn't enough. we're going to have to get more money from somebody. the question is do we get more money from the person that's going to serve me lunch or get it from me? i think we should get it from me. >> when we spoke it was two years ago at this conference and you equated the state of the economy to a great athlete in cardiac arrest. where are we now? >> we know that the patient is going to get well. the emergency treatment was successful, but it was one heck of an attack. and one like the patient very seldom experienced in a long, long lifetime. and so the recovery period is long. and we're in it now and we should in my book feel extremely grateful. there was only one party that could have treated that patient and that was government. they had the ability to stem

what was otherwise going to be an implosion of the american economy. >> should we be more grateful to the government than programs the american public is right now given the fact that you say they rescued us truly from the brink? >> yeah, i think so. when that happened, i made the judgment -- two judgments. one, only government could save us and the government would. i mean, it was so clear. >> reporter: and you know what's interesting, ali, he went on to say we should give president bush more credit from warren buffett who openly never voted for president bush. he said we should give him more credit for stepping in and saving the economy than he did and called former treasury hank paulson, sheila bair and ben bernanke heroes saying they stepped in at exactly the right time. it's clear he doesn't think this economy has fully turned around. still a lot of repair ahead but very interesting what he said about taxes. he's been outspoken about saying tax rich people like me more. he's never before said you need

to cut taxes for the poor even more than they are already cut right now. >> he brings up a good point. the t.a.r.p. program watts under president bush under a bush appointed treasury secretary henry paulson and bush appointed fdic chair. bot om like he's trying to apportion the credit where it needs to go for that part of the economy. good to see you. thanks for bringing this to us. let me bring you up to speed in some of the top stories we're covering. the man who tried to bomb times square and failed has been sentenced to life in prison. fayssal shahzad was defiant warning the car to brace yourself. in connecticut the first department tried in a gruesome home invasion found guilty of 16 of 17 counts. convicted of killing a mom and her two daughters, 17 and 11 years old. the jury will now decide whether he should be executed or sentenced to life in rison. a co-defendant will be tried separately. along the afghan/pakistan

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you don't have to care about science or anything. the stuff that people get awarded for it's like who thought of that. >> now i'm thinking what took so long. on this one in vitro fertilization. ivf. how many people do you think are alive because of this? 4 million. the guy finally gets a nobel prize. you waiting for 4,000,001. first developed in 1978 first test tube baby. >> it's so common now. >> exactly it's common now but wasn't common science then. the pictures you see here are a lot like the same pictures we'll show for embryonic stem-cell research. >> somebody will be having this conversation someday. >> exactly. they had last year the little pieces of plastic at the end of the shoelaces to keep the cells from dying. >> that was yesterday.

then today this one is also fascinating. graphene. >> i'm worried about this one. this could really change some things. >> somebody got a nobel prize for this? >> yes, nobel prize. >> looks like chicken wire. >> here's how they found graphene. pencil, piece of tape. let's find out what comes off here. make as small a piece as we can and then examine it, figure out what it is. they found out what's coming off is two dimensional, not three dimensional. it can be one atom thick. this graphene or graphite or carbon is one atom thick. >> this is the same thing as coal. this is the same thing as oil and diamonds is carbon. >> think about what silica did to silicon valley, right? >> right. >> think about what this does other than -- this conducts electricity where the opposite doesn't. so when they were making those

little wafers they put the silica in there. this could miniaturize the miniaturized circuits we have now. >> this is a highly blown-up version of chicken wire but this is graphite. it can hold -- give me a sechbls the strength. >> it's a little bit in theory. height thet cal sheet of this stuff that doesn't exist because the biggest piece is right there. if we make somehow a sheet of this -- it's a meter by a meter -- yard by a yard -- you can put a cat in the middle and hold it. and the weight of it would be the weight of that whisker of the cat. it's so thin there's no weight to it -- >> you can hold the entire cat. >> we're almost -- we're two steps ahead of carbon fiber. remember what carbon fiber did to auto racing, did to nasa. put layers of carbon fiber on top of each other. it's ridiculously strong. this goes way beyond that. >> very good. good to see you again. >> welcome home. these miners, that's another

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time now to go "globetrekking." first up chile. i cannot get away from this story. they are ever, ever so close. the attempt to rescue 33 miners who have been trapped about half a mile underground more than 60 days. the rescue shaft now only 524 feet from the miners. anxious family members have been camped out for weeks. waiting and praying and hoping. just want to hug their loved ones again. officials now say the most

dangerous period is now because there's a possibility of a new cave-in. to try to prevent that from happening they're concerning whether to line the rescue shaft with steel casing. the drilling continues. they've been testing the capsule that would bring the miners one by one to the surface. it's complicated. it's half a mile. i'm claustrophobic. i don't know what that would feel like. do they sedate them? can you -- you have to not sedate them too much but they have to be relaxed. chile's president says the rescue could begin as early as october 15th. so things are going much faster than expected. over to israel. troubling case involving two israeli soldiers. a military court has convicted them of using a 9-year-old palestinian child as a human shield during an offensive in gaza last year. they were found guilty of reckless endangerment and conduct unbecoming. it happened when the soldiers found bags in a home and ordered the boy to search them for

explosives. no bombs were found. the boy was returned to his parents unharmed. this is believed to be the first such conviction. in israel, the use of civilians as human shields is banned in that country. sentencing will be handed down later. in another incident the israeli military is investigating the video that you see here. what it seems to show is an israeli soldier dancing around a palestinian who has been bound and blind folded. officials don't know when the video was shot. the clip first aired on israeli television yesterday. in a statement the military denounced the action seen in the video. it's the latest controversy to hit the israeli military. this past summer a senior israeli soldier posted pictures of herself posing in front of blind folded palestinian prisoners. controversial commonwealth games under way minus all the construction and other problems that plagued the events raising questions whether teams would show you up. they did show up. empty seats.

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people admit on tv, it probably isn't a major admission. i have never said this on tv. i'm not a swimmer. i've never actually learned to properly swim. i can keep afloat if i needed to but don't have a skill at swimming. always wanted to. it's a little embarrassing at my age to call and ask about swimming lessons and someone say how old is your son. it is for me. maurice wyle is a former nfl player. this is a man's man, was a defensive end for the bills, the chargers, cowboys and the jaguars, played ten seasons. he's an ivy leaguer, graduated from columbia university in 1997. despite all of that he never learned to swim either. i am now officially in good company. but now -- he actually decided to do something about it. listen to this. >> you see those waves out there? they hit a lot harder than the players do in the nfl. i've never been more scared and intimidated of anything in this world.

you've got to float. you've got technique. you've got to move. you've got to breathe. >> all right. marcellus's first swim lesson just a day after six young african-american boys tragically drowned in a louisiana river because they couldn't swim. nearly 70% of all african-american youth can't swim. the fatal drowning rate for ages 5 to 14 is the highest. three times that of white children. marcellus wylie wanted to change that. welcome. good to have you on the show. when i first heard about this i was fascinated. why do african-american kids not learn how to swim as much as white kids do? >> i think some of it is cultural. if you think about the african-american community, some of our escape routes outs of the neighborhood is in athletics and entertainment but when you focus in on athletics, it's more of a football and basketball and culturally we just can't go to our neighbor's house and see a

swimming pool in his backyard. so i think at a young age, you're not introduced to the sport and introduced to the lifestyle of what a swimmer is used to. i think that starts the problem. >> what got you thinking about this? that you couldn't swim or see the stat? what got you involved? >> i never learned formally to swim. i think that was an issue my entire life. i actually learned at the age of 11 when i was walking past one of my friend's swimming pool in his backyard. i got pushed into the swimming pool. now, this is a guy who can't swim at all but luckily i was able to dive to the side and i-75 myself. i was thinking about that if this wasn't just a swimming pool in a backyard. what if this was like the kendricks warner was in the red river in louisiana and how that would impact my life and how six people fatally drowned on that day. >> so you decided there's something you can do to help

others draw attention to this. but you needed to learn to swim? >> yeah. i needed to learn to swim. and i saw a group by the name of optimist sport that had a commitment to the active lifestyle and healthy lifestyle to people involved with this cause. that was my introduction to formally learning to swim. from that it parlayed into an opportunity where i'm going to swim in the pacific ocean 1.2 miles. and that was my biggest fear. now, learning to swim was one thing. that's a small hurdle. talking about going out there past the waves, past the pier and swimming in the ocean, that was my biggest fear. >> tell me about that. >> well, the first day i go out there, my experiences in the ocean had always been go to the waves, let them hit me at my knees, play around, kick the sand and walk out. the first time i had to challenge my fears and actually challenge my fears was when i swam past those same waves in the ocean.

and i was supported by a great group of people who understood how it was important for me to challenge my own fears and to overcome then. so now i issue the same challenge to everyone. whether it's swimming or there's something else in your life, you have to challenge yourself to go past your limits that are placed on you by yourself. >> the admirable part is one would look at you and say you went past those limits -- the ivy league and the nfl. the fact you still have limits and some very basic that you've overcome, what a great message to others. i have to get myself into some good swimming. maybe one of these days we'll get a chance to take a dip at the same time. >> i'll see you in the pacific ocean. >> see you in the pacific ocean. espn tv analyst, former all-pro nfl player. you can find more information on marcellus and how you can help when you go to my blog cnn.com/ali. brighter days are ahead for washington. it could mean lower electric bills for the white house. ed henry is going to explain why in an unusual stakeout when we

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pa on the itwhe house grounds. this wou lternave white house itself would be greened a little bit because this place is pretty old. not exactly a green place. and so it's a pretty interesting step forward. >> tell me about -- there's aegr the first time held at thewhite house. what's that about? >> reporter: yeah. jill biden. communy college in norern virginia. what's fascinating about this is the president is trying to say this is a big economic issue for the future. he wants to get 5 million more people to graduate from community colleges between now and 2020 to try to restore -- you've talked a lot about this on the show, about how years ago

the united states was at the top of the heap in terms of college graduates, slipped badly since then. he thinks community colleges are going to be the engine for that growth. interesting, though, that a lot of some of the for-profit colleges -- kaplan and some of the other learning institutions are pushing back and lobbying and saying they think the president is pouring too much federal aid, too much federal attention to the community colleges and the graduation rates are not nearly as good and this is not going to provide as many jobs as the president says long term. what he's looking at here at the white house, the president is saying when he hosts some of the ceos here for his periodic meetings, they all talk about how they need highly skilled workers heading into the future. you know all about that in terms of improving the labor force. and they will take two-year grads instead of high school grads even if they can't get the four-year grads, the two-year they think are better than nothing. >> this is the good topic, for profit as well as community colleges.

i had a few tense moments on an airplane yesterday i'll talk about. i was thinking about you because the last time i saw somebody with tense moments on the airplane it was you doing something -- >> reporter: the time you stuck me on the world war ii. >> good to see you. senior white house correspondent ed henry. sometime for cnnpolitics.com update. mark preston and paul steinhauser watching developments from the cnnpolitics.com desk. take it away. >> you got it. let's start with sharron angle, republican senate nominee in nevada going after harry reid. dave jenkins zip in there to the cnn political ticker. angle made some interesting comments and talked about the republican party leaders having lost their principles. in a so-called secret meeting but the audiotape came out. why does that matter? because where is she today? coming right here to washington, d.c. to meet with some of those republican party leaders to help raise money for her campaign.

that could be an kun frt meeting after those comments. dave jenkins, check this out as well. let's move right over to the state of new york and that fascinating gubernatorial battle between andrew cuomo, the state attorney general and carl paladino, the very outspoken buffalo developer who is the republican party's nom nigh. brand new poll. andrew cuomo up by 24 points according to the sienna college poll a lot larger than last week that had him up by only 15 points. we'll still keep our eyes on this race. over to my main man, mark preston. >> let's talk about the road map to the midterm elections. if you go to cnn.com you can get to cnn 100. it's the top 100 cases cnn is following. we have a story up there by jim spelman, our journalist out in colorado. he has done a story on betsy marqueke markey. her republican challenge corrie

gardner. he is saying she is beholden to nancy pelosi and barack obama. i was getting very nostalgic today thinking about our trip across the country on the cnn express. >> there's a little book about it. >> there's a little book by josh reuben. i was looking at some pictures and quickly take a look. there's ali right there doing some hard-hitting journalism in tombstone, arizona, talking about the death of john king. the gunslinger. not our john king. this is ali looks like a live shot your "money" from poppy's, which is a barbecue joint in texas. i think you were more interested in the barbecue. a lot of people safe how do you survive the late nights and early mornings. well, a lot of people do a lot of sleeping and if you look some of us put a little something on our eyes to keep the light out. little trip down memory lane. >> thanks. you have gone down a road that perhaps you shouldn't have gone

down. it is now open warfare. it was fun traveling across country. that was a big fast trip. mark and paul, always a pleasure to see you both. have a good afternoon and we'll see you tomorrow. your next politics update just an hour away. "wordplay" straight ahead. today from the world of business. right in my wheelhouse. lord of. sovereign of the security line. you never take an upgrade for granted. and you rent from national. because only national lets you choose any car in the aisle. and go. you can even take a full-size or above. and still pay the mid-size price. i deserve this. [ male announcer ] you do, business pro. you do. go national. go like a pro.

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onstar. live on. time now for "wordplay" from the business world. talking about antitrust which has nothing to do with honesty or trust worthiness necessarily. the dictionary tells us it's an adjective meaning opposing or

intending to restrain trusts, monopolies or large combinations of business and capital especially with a view to maintaining competition. the u.s. government first moved to limit cartels and monopolies in 1890 with the sherman antitrust act and it's still the basis of most of the government's anti-trust cases like the current one against visa, mastercard and american express. it's got to do with swipe fees the merchants pay the companies on every credit card transaction. visa and mastercard have settled the case. amex is going to fight it. i have a special thank you for the crew of delta flight 143.

time now for the "xyz." yesterday afternoon i flew from new york's laguardia airport to atlanta on delta flight 413. i was asleep but woke up with a jolt on the final approach. the pilot had aborted the landing and throttled up. a few minutes later he announced a problem with the wing flap and we would land without using the flaps that would make for a fast approach. not to worry he said though we'd see emergency vehicles. the landing was smooth. the fire trucks were there. i'm not much for clapping when a plane lands. i tend to think a safe landing is included in the price. yesterday however i clapped. here we hear about them much more often than you do. what you hear about are irritating airline fees. as a guy who flies three or four times a week i want to say thanks to the airline employees. they have issues but in the end we rely on them to keep us safe. i kn t