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you men, the district attorney especially, craig watkins for being so openminded. the movie is "conviction" opens october 15th. it's great. for more on these incredible stories and information about the innocence project, go to cnn.com/larryking and look for the book "tested, how 12 wrongly imprisoned men held on to hope." here's anderson cooper and "ac 360." thanks, larry, and thanks for watching, everyone. tonight an exclusive, a college student living through a nightmare, targeted for attacks, called a nazi and singled out for his sexuality, by a state law enforcement official, an assistant attorney general in michigan. he's kept quiet for months but now he's speaking out. tonight only on 360, here why he's breaking his silence. and the kids who fall victim to bullying, we'll profile a case
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of sexting turned bullying turned suicide. we'll talk about that with dr. phil mcgraw. and breaking news involving john edwards, presidential candidate who fathered a child out of wedlock with a woman on his campaign, rielle hunter. we have the latest on that. we begin keeping them honest with a new development in what is one of the strangest stories we've ever covered. tonight the target of that assistant attorney general in michigan is breaking his silence, his name is chris armstrong, he's for months been targeted online and in person by this guy, andrew shirvell, an assistant attorney general for the state of michigan. now, ever since armstrong became michigan's first gay student body president, sure vil has been on the war path, protesting at events where armstrong appears, picketing outside nightclubs armstrong has gone to, even videotaping outside his
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home. online shirvell set up an entire blog making unfounded allegations against armstrong, labeling him a nazi and liar, quote, satan's representative on the student assembly. after days of pressure on the attorney general to do something about his assistant attorney general, andrew shirvell took a voluntary leave, though he still has a job. campus police at the university of michigan have barred him from setting foot on campus. chris armstrong has applied for an order of protection against shirvell and a hearing is set for the 25th of october. before you hear from chris armstrong, i want you to hear how andrew shirvell defends his own actions as well as what his own boss, michigan attorney general mike cox had to say about it when they both were on 360. >> i've got to ask you. you're a state official, this is a college student. what are you doing? >> well, anderson, basically if you've been involved in political campaigns before, you know all sorts of stuff happens. and this is just another tactic
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bringing awareness to what chris really stands for. >> this is not some national figure, this is a guy who's running a student council. >> well, anderson, as a private citizen and as a university of michigan alum i care, because this is my university. and i wasn't the only first person to criticize chris. in fact, long before i started the blog a couple of weeks before that, the alliance defense fund, a well-known legal christian foundation put out an alert about chris. so i'm not the only person that has criticized chris, and i'm not the first person to criticize chris. >> but you are the only person running this blog which is putting nazi swastikas on this guy. you're a grown adult. does that seem appropriate to you? >> like i said, this is a political campaign. this is nothing personal against chris. i don't know -- >> what do you mean it's nothing personal? you're outside his house, videotaping his house, you're
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shouting him down at public events, you're calling him satan's representative on the student council, you're attacking his parents, his friends' parents, you can't say it's not personal. >> well, chris and any political campaign, have you to raise awareness and issues and that's one way of doing it is by protesting. >> that's assistant attorney general andrew shirvell who is not part of a political campaign, neither is chris armstrong, he's already won. here is the attorney general, mike cox, on why he won't fire shirvell who was a paid consultant on cox's campaign in 2002 and also worked for the campaign in 2006. >> why is he still employed? >> well, for a number of reasons. here in america, we have this thing called the first amendment, which allows people to express what they think, and engage in political and social speech. and more on point, the supreme court, both the united states supreme court in 1995 in a case
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called the u.s. versus treasury employees said that civil service employees in the federal system and by extension in the state system have first amendment rights outside of the work as long as it doesn't impact their performance at their job. and mr. shirvell is sort of a front line grunt assistant prosecutor in my office. he does satisfactory work, and off hours he's free to engage under both our civil service rules, michigan supreme court rulings, and the united states supreme court rule, interestingly enough by justice stevens wrote the opinion, to engage in free speech. >> but aren't you empowered by the state civil service rules to discipline him for conduct unbecoming a state employee? are his actions unbecoming a state employee? >> well, his actions are offensive. but you know, conduct unbecoming
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is one of those empty vessel statements. what it means has never really been fleshed out. certainly it's unbecoming of civil discourse. it's unbecoming of common courtesy, and i -- quite frankly, i feel embarrassed for mr. armstrong. you know, that he has this unwanted attention. but again, anderson, this is speech put on a blog. now, if there's conduct that's verified, for instance, if a personal protection order was sought by mr. armstrong and granted, in the michigan civil service, disciplinary code, we could start looking at things in terms of perhaps sending to an employee assistance program. >> what's interesting about that statement is that he, apparently when he did that interview, was unaware that chris armstrong had
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sought a personal protection order back in midseptember and also unaware that the university banned mr. shirvell from setting foot on campus in midseptember. also two former attorney generals including jennifer granholm, says mike cox has ample discretion to discipline or fire andrew shirvell, but neither governor granholm, cox or shirvell would come on the program tonight. chris armstrong will be on, i spoke to him earlier tonight. how are you holding up? >> i think i've obviously been better. it's obviously been like a really big strain on like myself and my friends and family. >> because this has been going on for months now. >> yeah. yeah, since -- since march. and i think like what's been really great is that like the university of michigan and friends and family have been really supportive the entire way through. >> when you first heard this blog had been set up, what did you think? >> you know, obviously it was
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hurtful. >> how did you hear about it? someone told but it? >> yeah. i'd heard through friends, and some of my -- some individuals knew mr. shirvell and knew who he was. so i'd heard about it through them. >> had you ever met him before? >> no. i'd never spoken to him, never interacted with him and still haven't really. >> how do you hope this resolves? >> i think this is really just an opportunity. like i think this chance to really speak out and say something and give a message to other kids who might be facing some things, obviously not as extreme, but something you know, just like being heckled in a classroom, i think like honestly i think that's really what i -- really the most positive thing i can make out of the situation. >> when i talked to this man, mr. shirvell, the assistant attorney general, he kept saying you were a radical activist. i want to ask you about what your campaign was to get to be president of the student body at the university of michigan.
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my understanding from my research was you were talking about longer cafeteria hours, you were talking about gender neutral housing and i think maybe lower pay for -- lower tuition costs. >> yeah. those were a lot of the issues we talked about. >> that really seems like a radical agenda. >> yeah. i guess so. but i, honestly, a lot of these issues really were, you know, i didn't start them, they had a lot of support and a lot of momentum behind them, and they had been longstanding issues on campus. i think i've been really happy to be able to serve as the voice for those issues. >> why are you speaking out now? you've been silent for a long time on this, and obviously, you know, you filed for an order of personal protection, that's still ongoing. maybe you're contemplating legal action, i'm not sure, but why speak out now? >> i think, as i kind of mentioned, it's really been a personal issue in a lot of ways. i've dealt with it. given what's happened in the past week and given the suicides
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that have happened in the past like few weeks, it's been i think -- it's hard not to say something. >> that's really what's motivating you to speak out now, the suicides we've all been witnessing and reporting on. >> i think honestly i didn't really ask to be put in this position in a lot of ways and i didn't really -- >> in just about all ways, you didn't ask to be put in this position. >> yeah. but you know, i felt that. like seeing these kids, you know, feel they need to take their life, it's important to understand things can get better, and it's important to know you can reach out in your community. you can reach out to friends and they can support you. >> what's happened to you has resonated around the country. people have been following the story for a long time, but particularly t lly the last cou weeks. i've had people come up to me on the street the fact it can happen to kids not just in high school but to a kid in college or to an adult by an adult sort of stunned a lot of people.
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did it surprise you that you're out of high school and yet you're suddenly in a position where, you know, you're being bullied in a completely unusual way by someone in a position of power? >> i think, yeah. i mean i think it was certainly surprising. and i honestly can't speak for a lot of the things that were said, because you know they weren't my words and again, like i understand that like the things said about me are not my issues. they're not things that sort of -- >> you think it says more about the person doing it. >> yeah. i think that's sort of the issue of bully at large. the things being said about someone usually says more about the person who's saying them rather than themselves. >> you're remarkably strong and i appreciate you speaking. >> thank you. >> thanks. chris armstrong student body president at the university of michigan. join the live chat up and running right now. up next, breaking news, some new legal complications from john edwards, new subpoenas issued, did he use campaign money to pay off his mistress and hide the baby that he was
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lying about fathering with her? also tonight, leaked angry e-mails from todd palin to joe miller. a fascinating look at bare knuckle politics and a possible hint about sarah palin's presidential ambitions. and later, dr. phil on why cyberbullies are often more harmful than bullies in school. >> they don't see the pain in their victim's eyes, they don't see them cry, they don't see them hang their head or hurt.
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breaking news tonight, new subpoenas from the north carolina grand jury believe the to be investigating former presidential candidate john edwards. wade smith, mr. edwards' attorney, quote, there have been a sizeable number of subpoenas issued. he does not know who issued subpoenas or to whom they were issued, john edwards hasn't been seen much since he revealed he had an affair with rielle hunter and then lied about not fathering a child with her. the associated press being told testifying about vast sums of money to keep hunter in hiding. joining us now, cnn producer and legal analyst sunny hostin. what do we know about what this investigation is?
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it's basically following the money trail that may or may not have gone to rielle hunter. >> the issue with john edwards is that he's still in trouble. and that's because his political action committee, one america, you know, because it's a pac, it has two adhere to very strict federal regulations, and some of that involves what money goes in and out of those accounts, and he illegally gave money, funneled money from his campaign through those pacs into payments to rielle hunter for her videographer services which some say were very expensive and sort of not worth of equal tiqualitye videos. >> a payment of some $100,000 and then $18,000 for some tapes. andrew young has said a lot more money was funneled from other sources and other donors to basically put rielle hunter in hiding and her child in hiding, i think the child at that point was unborn and later was born. i want to show one of the
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webisodes that rielle hunter was allegedly hired to put together. they're sort of fascinating, because clearly there's a lot of chemistry between the two and it's a side of john edwards you don't normally see. take a look. >> that is a great speech. >> i'm so glad you like it. >> i like it. wait till you hear me give it live. >> that's all we have of it. but it's a beaming john edwards. it's not the traditional john edwards. clearly there's some sort of chemistry between these two. why now are we just hearing about these subpoenas and why do we know so little about it, sunny? >> because the grand jury is secret and it's supposed to be protected but we now know there are subpoenas being issued and that's one of the things i miss about being a prosecutor. i can't force anybody to talk to me now. but grand jury subpoena power is very serious. the prosecutor can force someone to talk. >> and john edwards himself cannot be subpoenaed for this. >> no. you can't be compelled to testify against yourself because
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he's clearly the target of this investigation, but these things take a lock time. it's quite possible these prosecutors are digging and digging and digging, they need to know the who, the what, the where, the when, not necessarily the why, and they need to find that out, they're obviously still on the case. >> allegations were two big donors to john edwards had given money at i guess at his request to rielle hunter through andrew young. >> yes. bonnie mellon, she's one of the old famous new york socialite and philanthropist. >> i think wife or daughter of paul mellon, very rich man. >> then another prominent lawyer, fred baron. he passed away in the heat of like the democratic convention, just as john edwards was being named again on the cover of the "national enquirer." >> we see rielle hunter with her team of attorneys going into, i guess to the grand jury, this
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was last year. >> the first investigation. >> andrew young has said there was a sex tape of these two now in the hands of the grand jury, that the grand jury requested, that he, i guess rielle hunter had, and he got hold of, it's such a bizarre story, that this man who was so close to running for president, or ran for president, was so -- could have theoretically gotten, it was at the time having an affair. not only that he lied to the american public when he made his confessional interview, he said the child wasn't his, he basically lied in that interview and then later on said it was his. do we know much about his life now? >> i think he lives a secluded life in north carolina. he and elizabeth edwards do have relationship with their children. >> they have separated, though. >> yes, there's even been some -- i talked to sources tonight who say there's been a recent family vacation to japan, so clearly they're co-parenting, and i hear that elizabeth edwards is doing really strong and has come to some sort of peace, whatever peace you can get. >> right. >> i don't know that you can,
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about sort of the dissolution of her marriage. >> appreciate it, thanks for coming in. still ahead on "360" we knew the obama administration underestimated the bp oil spill. today the panel appointed by the president to investigate blasted the white house, and the tea party candidate she supported for senate for alaska for allegedly not endorsing sarah palin in a television ad, we'll show you the e-mail and the television appearance which prompted it. also we continue our week-long series on bullying. tonight, cyberbullying and texting bullying. how it led a florida girl to take her own life. sorry i'm late fellas.
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story about leaked e-mails, i want to talk about with you. they involve joe miller and todd palin. mr. palin says there's no story here, nothing to see, folks, move along. but a leaked e-mail he sent to joe miller and others hints at his sharp political teeth and perhaps, perhaps sarah palin's presidential ambitions. the e-mail and one from miller to his campaign aassociates followed a fox news appearance where the nominee was asked, quote, would you support her, meaning palin, for president.
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look at his answer. >> would you support her for president? >> you know, we've been asked that question before. >> really? i'm surprised. >> there are a number of great candidates -- i have been, actually. but we have had a number of people that have introduced their names as potential candidates in 2012. certainly palin is on the top of that ticket. you've got a number of folk that any one of which would be better than president obama. >> now, here's the e-mail that that appearance apparently triggered from todd palin. quote, sarah put her ass on the line for joe and yet he can't answer a simple question, is sarah palin qualified to be president. i don't know if she is. the caps are his. joe miller did not say those words, i don't know if she is, the e-mail goes on, joe, please explain how this endorsement stuff works. is it to be completely one sided? sarah spent all morning working
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on a facebook post, she won't use it, not now. put yourself in her shufs joe for one day. quote, just found this in my inbox, this is what we're dealing with, he goes on, note the date and the complete misconstruction of what i said. holy cow. so two things, it's a pretty rare look inside the palin political operation which appears to work on a bit of a hair trigger at times and perhaps palin's presidential as pirations. let's talk about it with dana loesch and host of "our world" on aol. dana, one of the interesting things about this, it really does show todd palin's role kind of as enforcer or close role at least with sarah palin. >> it does. it's a really interesting tone that he takes, too, because i thought one of the narratives about the palins was they were supposed to have this really frosty marriage and they didn't care for each other and they weren't close, and i think todd palin coming to his wife's
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defense kind of blows that out of the water a little bit. >> mark, what do you make of this e-mail? >> well, first, it doesn't necessarily mean that. we've seen what the clintons who were reported to have this frosty set of political relationships, but when they see their political dynasty in jeopardy, they act on it. when you see with the palins is a similar kind of thing. they have a sense of entitlement, and sarah palin believes she's the new leader of the republican party and anybody who doesn't fall in line they'll check hard. >> to the extent to which sarah palin put joe miller on the map and got the tea party express to put $600,000 behind him, she appeared in an ad for him, isn't it fair in the world of sharp elbow politics to expect a little love in return? >> absolutely. and if joe had actually said that, i can't say she's qualified to be president, that would be a very hard blow. but what was actually said is something far more ordinary in politics, which is that i'm not going to endorse a republican
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nominee or candidate right now this early in the race because i have a lot of dogs in the fight. i think it was fairly ordinary and i think it was fine. >> dana, does this indicate sarah palin is at least seriously considering running for president? >> oh, definitely. i think she's kind of tossing it around back and forthdeciding if she wants to run or not. i also don't think we can pass judgment on what the palins, what they were or were not thinking. we don't know to what context these remarks were delivered to todd palin. if he was told he heard joe miller, then of course anyone in his right mind will come to the defense of their wife. it shows todd palin being kind of a standup guy. >> not if you're -- >> she's considering something. >> i think if you're doing big league politics at this level you don't just send an e-mail like that out, have you a team, you have advisers. >> oh, yeah. everybody does it. no one even called todd palin to say, hey, todd, did you -- what did you mean by this?
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what was behind this e-mail? nobody called todd palin. everyone sort of speculated until he came out after the fact and said, hey, i had heard there was a really disparaging remark. if you look at his remarks, he doesn't even quote joe miller accurately. so it does lend, you have to admit it does lend a little bit of validity to that. >> last night on "john king usa" a hint at a ticket in 2012, the white house batted it down today, sources for clinton as well. >> do i think it will be a stronger ticket? absolutely but it wreaks of desperation. they need to trumpet their victories, do more on the domestic agenda to push what they've done successfully, which is a lot. otherwise they won't energy nize their base. >> do you think it will get the independents looking at the folks like you, the tea party? >> i don't know. the clintons do have a little bit more of a history of being
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more moderate than obama does, but i totally agree with mark. i want the democrats to run on everything they've passed. i think that does -- i think that would be a wonderful campaign strategy, especially considering how well health care has been polling lately. >> not that -- dana's thinking about the tea party spin on what the democrats have done. >> no, that's just the polls. >> i'm talking about the education reform, there are a host of democratic victories people on the right don't acknowledge. >> oh, yes, i desperately -- >> it is not accurate. >> i desperately want to hear democrats talk about vouchers. that's mainstream eric iamerica can't say it's the tea party anymore. please, let's run on that, i love it. >> we've got to go, always good to have you on. one other political note with polling, continuing to show the democrats heading into a buzz saw at the ballot box next month, critics are putting blame on president obama, a lot of the
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blame, it was the topic on "parker/spitzer." >> he's loyal to a fault, doesn't understand that americans actually respect people have the guts to fire people, and he should have done that then. michael's quite right about the -- >> who do you fire? >> axelrod. sweet guidy, wonderful, straigh away. i would have said to rahm emanuel. >> the ax is coming down. >> yesterday, geithner, and axelrod. >> where the machine is really going to work, it works in congress. it eventually did the job it was supposed to. >> you can see more tomorrow night, 8:00 p.m. eastern. still ahead, our in depth look at bullying. all week long, we're devoting resources to this, friday we'll have a town hall meeting. this is hope witsell, she's 13 years old, she texted a picture she shouldn't have texted, not expecting this topless photo
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all this week as you know we're partnering with "people" magazine, taking an in depth look at bullying. we'll talk with dr. phil mcgraw about bullying happening not just in schools but online, cell phones and kids are dying because of it. there's been a lot of focus on kid that's are gay or perceived to be gay, but it's important to point out the problem goes far beyond one group. kids are bullied for all sorts of reasons, being overweight, having a speech impediment, the clothes they wear, a hair cut, anything. anyone can become a target and technology has really raised the stakes. i think that's what a lot of what adults don't get, a way to torment their victims outside school grounds, away from adults.
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hope witsell was a target and the humiliation she felt there was no other way out. >> reporter: hope witsell was a good student, but about a year ago hope did something so unexpected, so out of character, it changed everything. friends and family say this all started in the spring of 2009 at the end of the school year when hope sexted a picture of her breasts to her boyfriend. another girl at school they say got her hands on that photo and sent it to students at six different schools in the area. before hope could do anything about, it that photo had gone viral. >> just loved everybody. >> reporter: hope's mother, donna, said she warned her many times about the dark side of cell phones and computers. so after all those conversations, you'd never imagine she would sext a photo of herself to someone. >> no. no. no. absolutely not. >> reporter: the photo made hope a target. she was in middle school.
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11, 12 and 13-year-olds, and suddenly bullies everywhere. >> they would walk up to her and call her like slut and whore and they would -- sometimes they would like call her skank and just be really, like cruel to her. >> reporter: hope hid her pain from her family and school officials. they knew about the photo but she never told them about the ridicule. and she couldn't escape it. online, friends say bullies wrote horrible things about hope. on myspace page, anonymous bullies created a page to taunt her. >> every time i see it i think back to hope and what people were saying about her. >> reporter: and it got worse. in school friends formed a human shield for her. >> people would try to come by and hit her or push her into a locker or something. >> reporter: so you walked as a
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crowd? >> yeah. >> reporter: protecting her. >> she was afraid to walk alone because she was afraid somebody was going to do something to her or like verbally attack her, so we always -- so she'd always have somebody come with her. >> reporter: her parents did not know what was going on. did you see a change in her behavior? could you tell something wasn't quite right? >> i could tell that she was struggling to overcome this mistake that she made. >> reporter: on a saturday as school was starting last year, hope helped her dad mow the lawn, alt dinner with her parents, and then went upstairs to her room. her parents turned on a tv show. >> when we had finished watching the program, i went upstairs to go in her room and kiss her good night, like i always do, is when i found her. >> reporter: what happened when you walked in her bedroom?
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>> i screamed for my husband as i was putting her on the bed. and doing cpr. >> reporter: it was too late. hope was already dead. the 13-year-old hanged herself from her canopy bed. she used her favorite scarves. the day before she died hope met with a social worker at school, a spokesperson for the school said the social worker was concerned that hope may have been trying to harm herself, so she had her sign what's called a no harm contract in which hope promised to speak to an adult if she was considering hurting herself. her mother told me she was never told about that contract. she found it crumpled in the garbage in hope's bedroom after she had died. the school told us that the social worker had tried calling
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hope's parents, but the parents say the school dropped the ball. and still, incredibly, the bullying was not over. after hope's suicide, her sister, samantha, found more cruel comments posted on hope's myspace page. >> there was people putting comments on there like, oh, my god, did hope really kill herself, i can't believe that whore did that, you know, just obscene things that i would never expect from a 12-year-old or 13-year-old. >> reporter: obscene things written by children. so terrible, hope witsell thought there was only one way to escape. randi kaye, cnn, tampa, florida. >> only one way to escape. can you see how she might have felt that way, especially to a young person experiencing what she did. earlier i talked to dr. phil mcgraw about how all pervasive bullying has become as a result of the way kids live online. dr. phil, i don't think parents understand just how accessible
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kids are now to being bullied. it's not just in schools now, it's online, it's on their mobile devices, and with physical or verbal bullying, there's someone around. there's a witness. maybe an adult or somebody who can help. but if a kid is being bullied on the internet, in their bedroom, they're unprotected. they're alone. >> well, they truly are alone, anderson, and, of course, we know that the number one tool of the abuser is isolation. if they can isolate their victim, their power goes up so much. and one of the things about internet that we don't think about is one kid can take on ten identities and bombard another child, and the child thinks that it's everybody at school that's after them, when in fact it may just be one kid that's picking on them and taking on all these false identities on the internet. >> there's a lot of websites i think adults don't even know about this, i just learned about form spring, which a lot of kids tell me which is a place a lot of kids get bullied because there's anonymous postings.
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there also just seems to be a level of cruelty and sort of lack of empathy that we're seeing with cyberbullying that's even worse in some cases than face to face. >> it is worse, and i tell you, i call them keyboard bullies because they are able to get anonymously on the internet, they don't have to look their victim in the face, so they don't get any cues, they don't see the pain in their victim's eyes, they don't see them cry, they don't see them hang their head or hurt. and so that feeds into a lack of empathy. and by doing this digitally, they just don't have the breae they would be pumping if they saw what was happening to the kid they're victimizing here. i'm not only concerned about the lack of empathy the internet offers, i'm also concerned that it can follow the child home. you know, if you're at school, you get away from your bully and go home, you're safe, right? that's not the case. they can be back there in their
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bedroom at 10:00 and somebody is pounding on them through a chat room, whether it's form spring, myspace, facebook, they can be pounding on them at home and their parents don't even know it. >> i think about hope witsell, this girl who killed herself after texting a boy a naked photograph of herself, or at least a topless photograph of herself, and even on -- even in death she was bullied on a memorial page. and we've heard that in numerous cases of kids who -- there has been a facebook memorial page and people post just horrible things on the memorial page. >> how terrible is that? because you know that the parents go to memorial page because they want to share, they want to have this bond, this union with the people that loved their child. and then they have these people on there that are doing this sort of thing, they're saying these horrible things, that they're glad they're dead, and that's just got to break a parent's heart. and you know, you brought up something so important,
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anderson. 22% of teenage girls say that they have e-mailed or texted a compromising picture of themselves. now, most of them say they do it out of pressure from a boyfriend. but that -- once it's out there, you cannot unring that bell. and as part of controlling this internet bullying and internet exploitation, we have to teach our kids, look. don't do this stuff. because once you do that, you can't get it back, and you lose control of it. >> that's really when the bullying with hope began, after that picture, which she sent to one boy was widely distributed. i guess for parents, where do you draw the line between virtual spying on your kids, you know, reading all their online posts and trying to read their texts and being vigilant and watchful, there's nothing -- you can't do it all. >> well, you can't, but we do have to get involved. it's not just a matter of spying, it's a matter of protection. and here's the thing. children have the knowledge to
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use the internet. they know how to navigate around, they know how to get into chat rooms, know how to make images and send them, they have the knowledge. what they don't have is the wisdom. >> the other component of this is of course schools, and some schools are kind of unsure how to get involved, if cyberbullying is involved, because it's not happening necessarily, you know, on school campus. what do you think they can do to try to monitor or help stop the problem? >> well, first off, i think that what the schools have to do is not worry about jurisdictional lines. i mean, these are their kids. they're the members of their school community. i think the first thing they need to do is make it part of the curriculum. we need to not just have a talk, it needs to be an ongoing dialogue and needs to be made part of the curriculum where they teach kids, here's the downside of sexting, here's the downside of sending out photos, here's the downside of bullying someone, and here's what to do if it's happening to you.
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we cannot expect these kids to just know this stuff by osmosis, we have to tell them, tell them again and then tell them again. >> appreciate it. >> anderson, thank you so much. >> tomorrow or bullying, no escape series continues. you've heard the case of phoebe, she was 15 when she hanged herself. she was from ireland, she moved to massachusetts and was allegedly bullied unrelentlessly. >> a narrative had emerged of a pack of mean kids that tore mentaled phoebe prince for months, and that reality doesn't match. >> the truth is much more complicated. >> it's much more complicated. exactly. >> one of the toughest anti-bullying laws in the country, six students are about to go on trial in charges related to her death. so are those charges warranted? we'll look at that tomorrow. we'll look at behavior that's
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let's update you on some other stories we're following. randi kaye joins us. >> tornadoes struck near flagstaff, arizona, today. at least two touched down and caused havoc, more than 100 homes and rvs sustained damages. and 28 cars on a freight train were knocked off the tracks. at least seven people were injured, although none seriously. hungary is cleaning up what one official calls ab ecological catastrophe. a wall burst reheating a flood of toxic red sludge into three communities and a nearby river. at least four people are dead, six missing. more than 100 injured. a report by a panel
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investigating the bp oil spill accuses the white house of severely underestimating the amount of oil that spilled into the gulf of mexico and refusing back in april to publicly release the possible worst case scenario of more than 100,000 barrels leaking every day. in response, the obama administration says the public was adequately warned of worse case scenarios. a washington state man has survived a black bare attack. he was walking the family dog when he was mauled in the face and upper body last month at his vacation home. he lost his left eye in that attack. a relative called 911. listen. >> he is curled up, and -- he's -- oh, god, his head is all bashed in. >> where's the bear now? >> i think he's -- john? >> where is the bear now?
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>> i don't see him. he was at the door and i scooted him away. >> the bear was tracked down and killed by fish and wildlife agent. >> such a bizarre story. tonight's shot, beside those tornadoes, there was other rough weather in arizona, including a freak hailstorm. cnn affiliate ktvk reported from the thick of it. take a look. >> reporter: look at this, look at this. those pellets of hail are falling like bullets now. this is painful to be out here. look at this water. that's just in a matter of minutes. >> aren't you glad you're not out there? >> there are some reporter that's would cover that story from the car, but not him. a pretty good showing, we'll give him that. >> absolutely. >> but you've done your share of stormy live shots. does this bring back some memories? take a look. >> even during that piece it's very almost difficult to stand at times. you really have to push yourself
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into the wind. i definitely think the winds are stronger right now. we -- i have video to show -- man. >> what was i doing? just get out of the wind. >> mike hasn't got nothing on you, a.c. >> i know. that one summer there were so many hurricanes i feel like we why just doing it all the time. >> you were. you absolutely were, you were everywhere. that was hurricane ivan, hitting florida back in 2004, and a year later, i'm sure you recall hurricane wilma. >> oh, yeah. >> she blew into florida. you and john zarrella were in the thick of it. you can't forget this one. >> this is probably the worst we have seen, really in the last minute or so. the -- this is really bad. >> this sand will just peel the skin off you. >> that's one of those things like you're on for 12 hours and you're left with nothing left to say like, remember ten hours ago when i said it was really windy? well now it's really windy.
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>> i love how john is holding on to something and you're just there blowing in the wind. >> a sign flew off and john grabbed me and pulled me out. i'll never forget that. it was -- yeah. >> saved you. >> i know. do i still have to do that kind of stuff? >> you do. >> i do. we've just been lucky, we haven't had those. >> i'd like to get you and watkis out there, the magic you can create. >> for hail, i don't go out in hail. that hurts. hail hurts. wind, i can deal with. >> that's true. >> randi that was a moving piece also on hope witsell. appreciate it. a lot more ahead at the top of the hour, include is chris armstrong, speaking out for the first time after being targeted by the assistant attorney general in michigan and didn't even know why when it began. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com and all my investments, but it's not something
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thanks for watching, everyone. tonight an exclusive, a college student living through a nightmare, targeted for attacks, called a nazi and singled out for his sexuality, by a state law enforcement official, an assistant attorney general in michigan. he's kept quiet for months but now he's speaking out. tonight only on "360," you'll hear why he's breaking his silence. and the kids who fall victim to bullying, we'll profile a case of sexting turned bullying turned suicide. what you should know about your kids' online life. we'll talk about that with dr. phil mcgraw. and breaking news involving john edwards, presidential candidate who fathered a child out of wedlock with a woman on his
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campaign, rielle hunter. well now there appears to be new legal action underway, subpoenas issues, trying to find out if he used campaign money to cover up the affair. we have the latest on that. we begin keeping them honest with a new development in what is one of the strangest stories we've ever covered. tonight the target of that assistant attorney general in michigan is breaking his silence, his name is chris armstrong, he's a university of michigan college senior. he's for months been targeted online and in person by this guy, andrew shirvell, an assistant attorney general for the state of michigan. now, ever since armstrong became michigan's first gay student body president, shirvell has been on the war path, protesting at events where armstrong appears, picketing outside nightclubs armstrong has gone to, even videotaping outside his home. online shirvell set up an entire blog making unfounded
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allegations against armstrong, he's labeled him a nazi, a liar, and even called armstrong, quote, satan's representative on the student assembly. after days of pressure on the attorney general to do something about his assistant attorney general, andrew shirvell took a voluntary leave, though he still has a job. campus police at the university of michigan have barred him from setting foot on campus. chris armstrong has applied for an order of protection against shirvell and a hearing is set for the 25th of october. before you hear from chris armstrong, i want you to hear how andrew shirvell defends his own actions as well as what his own boss, michigan attorney general mike cox had to say about it when they both were on "360." >> i've got to ask you. you're a state official, this is a college student. what are you doing? >> well, anderson, basically if you've been involved in political campaigns before, you know all sorts of stuff happens. and this is just another tactic bringing awareness to what chris really stands for. >> this is not some national figure, this is a guy who's running a student council. >> well, anderson, as a private
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citizen and as a university of michigan alum i care, because this is my university. and i wasn't the only first person to criticize chris. in fact, long before i started the blog a couple of weeks before that, the alliance defense fund, a well-known legal christian foundation put out an alert about chris. so i'm not the only person that has criticized chris, and i'm not the first person to criticize chris. >> but you are the only person running this blog which is putting nazi swastikas on this guy. you're a grown adult. does that seem appropriate to you? >> like i said, this is a political campaign. this is nothing personal against chris. i don't know -- >> what do you mean it's nothing personal? you're outside his house, videotaping his house, you're shouting him down at public events, you're calling him satan's representative on the student council, you're attacking his parents, his friends' parents, you can't say it's not personal. >> well, chris and any political
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campaign, you have to raise awareness and issues and that's one way of doing it is by protesting. >> that's assistant attorney general andrew shirvell who is not part of a political campaign, neither is chris armstrong, he's already won. here is the attorney general, mike cox, on why he won't fire shirvell who was a paid consultant on cox's campaign in 2002 and also worked for the campaign in 2006. >> why is he still employed? >> well, for a number of reasons. here in america, we have this thing called the first amendment, which allows people to express what they think, and engage in political and social speech. and more on point, the supreme court, both the united states supreme court in 1995 in a case called the u.s. versus treasury employees said that civil service employees in the federal system and by extension in the state system have first
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amendment rights outside of the work as long as it doesn't impact their performance at their job. and mr. shirvell is sort of a front line grunt assistant prosecutor in my office. he does satisfactory work, and off hours he's free to engage under both our civil service rules, michigan supreme court rulings, and the united states supreme court rule, interestingly enough by justice stevens wrote the opinion, to engage in free speech. >> but aren't you empowered by the state civil service rules to discipline him for conduct unbecoming a state employee? do you think his actions are unbecoming of a state employee? >> well, his actions are offensive. but you know, conduct unbecoming is one of those empty vessel statements. what it means has never really been fleshed out. >> do you think this is
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unbecoming? >> it certainly -- it's unbecoming of civil discourse. it's unbecoming of common courtesy, and i -- quite frankly, i feel embarrassed for mr. armstrong. you know, that he has this unwanted attention. but again, anderson, this is speech put on a blog. now, if there's conduct that's verified, for instance, if a personal protection order was sought by mr. armstrong and granted, in the michigan civil service, disciplinary code, we could start looking at things in terms of perhaps sending to an employee assistance program. >> what's interesting about that statement is that he, apparently when he did that interview, was unaware that chris armstrong had sought a personal protection order back in midseptember and also unaware that the university banned mr. shirvell from setting foot on campus in midseptember. also two former attorney generals including jennifer
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granholm, says mike cox has ample discretion to discipline or fire andrew shirvell, but neither governor granholm, cox or andrew shirvell would agree to come on the program tonight. only chris armstrong. he came on to talk not about himself but his concerns for the young kid who's have been recently committing suicide after being bullied. i speak to chris earlier tonight. how are you holding up? >> i think i've obviously been better. it's obviously been like a really big strain on like myself and my friends and family. >> because this has been going on for months now. >> yeah. yeah, since -- since march. and i think like what's been really great is that like the university of michigan and friends and family have been really supportive the entire way through. >> when you first heard this blog had been set up, what did you think? >> you know, obviously it was hurtful. >> how did you hear about it? someone told but it? >> yeah. i'd heard through friends, and some of my -- some individuals knew mr. shirvell and knew who
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he was. so i'd heard about it through them. >> had you ever met him before? >> no. i'd never spoken to him, never interacted with him and still haven't really. >> how do you hope this resolves? >> i think this is really just an opportunity. like i think this chance to really speak out and say something and give a message to other kids who might be facing some things, obviously not as extreme, but something you know, just like being heckled in a classroom, i think like honestly i think that's really what i -- really the most positive thing i can make out of the situation. >> when i talked to this man, mr. shirvell, the assistant attorney general, he kept saying you were a radical activist. i want to ask you about what your campaign was to get to be president of the student body at the university of michigan. my understanding from my research was you were talking about longer cafeteria hours, you were talking about gender neutral housing and i think maybe lower pay for -- lower tuition costs. >> yeah.
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those were a lot of the issues we talked about. >> clearly seems like a radical agenda. >> yeah. i guess so. but i, honestly, a lot of these issues really were, you know, i didn't start them, they had a lot of support and a lot of momentum behind them, and they had been longstanding issues on campus. i think i've been really happy to be able to serve as the voice for those issues. >> why are you speaking out now? you've been silent for a long time on this, and obviously, you know, you filed for an order of personal protection, that's still ongoing. maybe you're contemplating legal action, i'm not sure, but why speak out now? >> i think, as i kind of mentioned, it's really been a personal issue in a lot of ways. i've dealt with it. given what's happened in the past week and given the suicides that have happened in the past like few weeks, it's been i think -- it's hard not to say something. >> that's really what's motivating you to speak out now, the suicides we've all been
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witnessing and reporting on. >> i think honestly i didn't really ask to be put in this position in a lot of ways and i didn't really -- >> in just about all ways, you didn't ask to be put in this position. >> yeah. but you know, i felt that. like seeing these kids, you know, feel they need to take their life, it's important to understand things can get better, and it's important to know you can reach out in your community. you can reach out to friends and they can support you. >> what's happened to you has resonated around the country. people have been following the story for a long time, but particularly the last couple of weeks. i've had people come up to me on the street the fact it can happen to kids not just in high school but to a kid in college or to an adult by an adult sort of stunned a lot of people. did it surprise you that you're out of high school and yet you're suddenly in a position where, you know, you're being bullied in a completely unusual way by someone in a position of power? >> i think, yeah.
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i mean i think it was certainly surprising. and i honestly can't speak for a lot of the things that were said, because you know they weren't my words and again, like i understand that like the things said about me are not my issues. they're not things that sort of -- >> you think it says more about the person doing it. >> yeah. i think that's sort of the issue of bully at large. the things being said about someone usually says more about the person who's saying them rather than themselves. >> you're remarkably strong and i appreciate you speaking. >> thank you. >> thanks. chris armstrong student body president at the university of michigan. let us know what you think about all this. join the live chat up and running right now. up next, breaking news, some new legal complications from john edwards, new subpoenas issued, did he use campaign money to pay off ms. mistress and hide the baby he lied about fathering with her? also tonight, leaked angry e-mails from todd palin to joe miller. a fascinating look at bare knuckle politics and a possible
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and later admitted he did father a child with her. andrew young has talked to the grand jury and tells the associated press that he testified about vast sums of money to keep hunter in hiding. grand jury proceedings are supposed to be secret, of course, but they're never air tight. joining us now, cnn producer and legal analyst sunny hostin. what do we know about what this investigation is? it's basically following the money trail that may or may not have gone to rielle hunter. >> the issue with john edwards is that he's still in trouble. and that's because his political action committee, one america, you know, because it's a pac, it has two adhere to very strict federal regulations, and some of that involves what money goes in and out of those accounts, and he illegally gave money, funneled money from his campaign through those pacs into payments to rielle hunter for her videographer services which some say were very expensive and sort
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of not worth of quality of those videos. >> a payment of some $100,000 from his pac to rielle hunter and then later another payment of some $18,000 worth that they said were for some old tapes. andrew young has said a lot more money was funneled from other sources and other donors to basically put rielle hunter in hiding and her child in hiding, i think the child at that point was unborn and later was born. i want to show one of the webisodes that rielle hunter was allegedly hired to put together. they're sort of fascinating, because clearly there's a lot of chemistry between the two and it's a side of john edwards you don't normally see. take a look. >> that is a great speech. >> i'm so glad you like it. >> i like it. wait till you hear me give it live. >> that's all we have of it. but it's a beaming john edwards. it's not the traditional john edwards. clearly there's some sort of
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chemistry between these two. why now are we just hearing about these subpoenas and why do we know so little about it, sunny? >> because the grand jury is secret and it's supposed to be protected but we now know there are subpoenas being issued and that's one of the things i miss about being a prosecutor. i can't force anybody to talk to me now. but grand jury subpoena power is very serious. the prosecutor can force someone to talk. >> and john edwards himself cannot be subpoenaed for this. >> no. you can't be compelled to testify against yourself because he's clearly the target of this investigation, but these things take a long time. it's quite possible these prosecutors are digging and digging and digging, they need to know the who, the what, the where, the when, not necessarily the why, and they need to find that out. it's difficult to prove a campaign fraud case, but they're obviously still on the case. >> allegations were two big donors to john edwards had given money at i guess at his request to rielle hunter through andrew young. >> yes. bonnie mellon, she's one of the old famous new york socialite and philanthropist. >> i think wife or daughter of
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paul mellon, very rich man. >> then another prominent lawyer, fred baron. >> he passed away last year. >> he literally passed away in the heat of the democratic convention, just as john edwards was being nailed on the cover of the "national enquirer". >> we see rielle hunter with her team of attorneys going into, i guess to the grand jury, this was last year. >> the first investigation. >> andrew young has said there was a sex tape of these two now in the hands of the grand jury, that the grand jury requested, that he, i guess rielle hunter had, and he got hold of, it's such a bizarre story, that this man who was so close to running for president, or ran for president, was so -- could have theoretically gotten it, was at the time having an affair. not only that he lied to the american public when he made his confessional interview, he said the child wasn't his, he basically lied in that interview and then later on said it was
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his. do we know much about his life now? >> i think he lives a secluded life in north carolina. he and elizabeth edwards do have relationship with their children. >> they have separated, though. >> yes, there's even been some -- i talked to sources tonight who say there's been a recent family vacation to japan, so clearly they're co-parenting, and i hear that elizabeth edwards is doing really strong and has come to some sort of peace, whatever peace you can get. >> right. >> i don't know that you can, about sort of the dissolution of her marriage. >> appreciate it, thanks for coming in. still ahead on "360" we knew the obama administration underestimated the bp oil spill. we've been talking about that for months this summer. today the panel appointed by the president to investigate blasted the administration, we'll have details on that. also a fascinating e-mail sent by sarah palin's husband, todd, blasting the tea party candidate she supported for allegedly not endorsing sarah palin for president in a tv appearance.
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this is a really interesting story about leaked e-mails, i want to talk about with you. they involve joe miller and todd palin. mr. palin says there's no story here, nothing to see, folks, move along. but a leaked e-mail he sent to joe miller and others hints at his sharp political teeth and perhaps, perhaps sarah palin's
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presidential ambitions. the e-mail and one from miller to his campaign associate z followed a fox news appearance where the nominee was asked, quote, would you support her, meaning palin, for president. look at his answer. >> would you support her for president? >> you know, we've been asked that question before. >> really? i'm surprised. >> there are a number of great candidates -- i have been, actually. but we have had a number of people that have introduced their names as potential candidates in 2012. certainly palin is on the top of that ticket. you've got a number of folk that any one of which would be better than president obama. >> now, here's the e-mail that that appearance apparently triggered from todd palin. quote, sarah put her ass on the line for joe and yet he can't answer a simple question, is sarah palin qualified to be president. i don't know if she is. the caps are his. joe miller did not say those
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words, i don't know if she is, todd palin later said he had just been told that's what he said. the e-mail goes on, joe, please explain how this endorsement stuff works. is it to be completely one sided? sarah spent all morning working on a facebook post for joe. she won't use it. not now. put yourself in her shoes, joe, for one day. quote, just found this in my inbox, this is what we're dealing with, he goes on, note the date and the complete misconstruction of what i said. holy cow. so two things, it's a pretty rare look inside the palin political operation which appears to work on a bit of a hair trigger at times and a hint perhaps at palin's presidential as pirations. let's talk about it with dana loesch and host of "our world" on aol. dana, one of the interesting things about this, it really does show todd palin's role kind of as enforcer or close role at least with sarah palin.
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>> it does. it's a really interesting tone that he takes, too, because i thought one of the narratives about the palins was they were supposed to have this really frosty marriage and they didn't care for each other and they weren't close, and i think todd palin coming to his wife's defense kind of blows that out of the water a little bit. >> mark, what do you make of this e-mail? >> well, first, it doesn't necessarily mean that. we've seen what the clintons who are also reported to have this frosty personal relationship, there are also political assassins when they see their political dynasty in jeopardy, they act on it. when you see with the palins is a similar kind of thing. they have a sense of entitlement, and sarah palin believes she's the new leader of the republican party and anybody who doesn't fall in line they'll check hard. that's what we just saw here. >> to the extent to which sarah palin put joe miller on the map and got the tea party express to put $600,000 behind him, she appeared in an ad for him, isn't it fair in the world of sharp elbow politics to expect a
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little love in return? >> absolutely. and if joe had actually said that, i can't say she's qualified to be president, that would be a very hard blow. but what was actually said is something far more ordinary in politics, which is that i'm not going to endorse a republican nominee right now or candidate right now this early in the race because i have a lot of dogs in the fight. i think it was fairly ordinary and i think it was fine. >> dana, does this indicate sarah palin is at least seriously considering running for president? >> oh, definitely. i think she's kind of tossing it around back and forth deciding if she wants to run or not. i also don't think we can pass judgment on what the palins, were or weren't thinking. we don't know to what context these remarks were delivered to todd palin. if he was told he heard joe miller, then of course anyone in his right mind will come to the defense of their wife. it shows todd palin being kind of a standup guy. >> not if you're -- >> she's considering something. >> i think if you're doing big league politics at this level
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you don't just send an e-mail like that out, you have a team you have advisers. >> oh, yeah. everybody does it. no one even called todd palin to say, hey, todd, did you -- what did you mean by this? what was behind this e-mail? nobody called todd palin. everyone sort of speculated until he came out after the fact and said, hey, i had heard there was a really disparaging remark. if you look at his remarks, he doesn't even quote joe miller accurately. so it does lend, you have to admit it does lend a little bit of validity to that. >> last night on "john king usa" bob woodward hinted an obama/hillary clinton ticket was on the table for 2012. the white house batted it down today, sources for clinton as well. do you think it's possible? >> do i think it will be a stronger ticket? absolutely but it wreaks of desperation. they need to trumpet their victories, do more on the domestic agenda to push what they've done successfully, which
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is a lot. otherwise, they won't energize their base. i think this move doesn't work. >> do you think it will get the independents looking at the folks you like, like the tea party? >> i don't know. the clintons do have a little bit more of a history of being more moderate than obama does, but i totally agree with mark. i want the democrats to run on everything they've passed. i think that does -- i think that would be a wonderful campaign strategy, especially considering how well health care has been polling lately. >> mark do you worry dana's agreeing with you on this? >> not that -- dana's thinking about the tea party spin on what the democrats have done. >> no, that's just the polls. >> i'm talking about the education reform, there are a host of democratic victories people on the right don't acknowledge. what they do is they spin it which is politically wise but just not accurate. >> i desperately want to hear democrats talk about vouchers. that's mainstream america, you can't say it's the tea party anymore. this is mainstream america.
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i desperately want to have democrats explain their stance on the voucher system. please run on that. i love it. >> we've got to go, always good to have you on. one other political note with polling, continuing to show the democrats heading into a buzz saw at the ballot box next month, critics are putting blame on president obama, a lot of the blame, it was the topic on "parker/spitzer." >> he should have started firing people. he's loyal to a fault. doesn't understand that americans actually respect people have the guts to fire people, and he should have done that then. michael's quite right about the -- >> who do you fire? >> axelrod. sweet guy, wonderful, straight away. i would have said to rahm emanuel. >> the ax is coming down. >> yesterday, geithner, and axelrod. >> where are you going to be tough? where the machine is really going to work? it worked in congress. it eventually did the job it was supposed to. >> you can see more tomorrow night, 8:00 p.m. eastern. still ahead, our in depth look at bullying. all week long, we're devoting
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all this week as you know we're partnering with "people" magazine, taking an in depth look at bullying. we'll talk with dr. phil mcgraw about bullying happening not just in schools but online, cell phones and kids are dying because of it. there's been a lot of focus on kids that are gay or perceived to be gay getting bullied, and that's important, but it's important to point out that the problem goes far beyond one group. kids are bullied for all sorts of reasons, being overweight, having a speech impediment, the clothes they wear, a hair cut, anything. anyone can become a target and technology has really raised the stakes. i think that's what a lot of what a lot of adults don't get, technology gives bullies a way to torment their victims outside school grounds, away from adults. hope witsell was a target and
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the humiliation her family says she felt made their feel there was no other way out. >> reporter: hope witsell was a good student, but about a year ago hope did something so unexpected, so out of character, it changed everything. friends and family say this all started in the spring of 2009 at the end of the school year when hope sexted a picture of her breasts to her boyfriend. another girl at school they say got her hands on that photo and sent it to students at six different schools in the area. before hope could do anything about it, that photo had gone viral. >> just loved everybody. >> reporter: hope's mother, donna, said she warned her many times about the dark side of cell phones and computers. so after all those conversations, you'd never imagine she would sext a photo of herself to someone. >> no. no. no. absolutely not. >> reporter: the photo made hope a target. she was in middle school.
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11, 12 and 13-year-olds, and suddenly bullies everywhere. >> they would walk up to her and call her like slut and whore and they would -- sometimes they would like call her skank and just be really, like cruel to her. >> reporter: hope hid her pain from her family and school officials. they knew about the photo but she never told them about the ridicule. and she couldn't escape it. online, friends say bullies wrote horrible things about hope. on a myspace page called the shields middle school burn book. anonymous bullies created a hope hater page to taunt her. >> every time i see it i think back to hope and what people were saying about her. >> reporter: and it got worse. in school friends formed a human shield for her. >> people would try to come by and hit her or push her into a locker or something. >> reporter: so you walked as a crowd? >> yeah.
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>> reporter: protecting her. >> she was afraid to walk alone because she was afraid somebody was going to do something to her or like verbally attack her, so we always -- so she'd always have somebody come with her. >> reporter: her parents did not know what was going on. did you see a change in her behavior? could you tell something wasn't quite right? >> i could tell that she was struggling to overcome this mistake that she made. >> reporter: on a saturday as school was starting last year, hope helped her dad mow the lawn, ate dinner with her parents, and then went upstairs to her room. her parents turned on a tv show. >> when we had finished watching the program, i went upstairs to go in her room and kiss her good night, like i always do, is when i found her. >> reporter: what happened when you walked in her bedroom?
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>> i screamed for my husband as i was putting her on the bed. and doing cpr. >> reporter: it was too late. hope was already dead. the 13-year-old hanged herself from her canopy bed. she used her favorite scarves. the day before she died hope met with a social worker at school, a spokesperson for the school said the social worker was concerned that hope may have been trying to harm herself, so she had her sign what's called a no harm contract in which hope promised to speak to an adult if she was considering hurting herself. her mother told me she was never told about that contract. she found it crumpled in the garbage in hope's bedroom after she had died. the school told us that the social worker had tried calling hope's parents, but the parents
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say the school dropped the ball. and still, incredibly, the bullying was not over. after hope's suicide, her sister, samantha, found more cruel comments posted on hope's myspace page. >> there was people putting comments on there like, oh, my god, did hope really kill herself, i can't believe that whore did that, you know, just obscene things that i would never expect from a 12-year-old or 13-year-old. >> reporter: obscene things written by children. so terrible, hope witsell thought there was only one way to escape. randi kaye, cnn, tampa, florida. >> only one way to escape. you can see how she might have felt that way, especially to a young person experiencing what she did. earlier i talked to dr. phil mcgraw about how all pervasive bullying has become as a result of the way kids live online. dr. phil, i don't think parents understand just how accessible kids are now to being bullied.
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it's not just in schools now, it's online, it's on their mobile devices, and with physical or verbal bullying, there's someone around. there's a witness. maybe an adult or somebody who can help. but if a kid is being bullied on the internet, in their bedroom, they're unprotected. they're alone. >> well, they truly are alone, anderson, and, of course, we know that the number one tool of the abuser is isolation. if they can isolate their victim, their power goes up so much. and one of the things about internet that we don't think about is one kid can take on ten identities and bombard another child, and the child thinks that it's everybody at school that's after them, when in fact it may just be one kid that's picking on them and taking on all these false identities on the internet. >> there's a lot of websites i think adults don't even know about, i just learned about this one, form spring, which a lot of kids tell me is a place a lot of kids get bullied because there's
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a lot of anonymous postings. there also just seems to be a level of cruelty and sort of lack of empathy that we're seeing with cyberbullying that's even worse in some cases than face to face. >> it is worse, and i tell you, i call them keyboard bullies because they are able to get anonymously on the internet, they don't have to look their victim in the face, so they don't get any cues, they don't see the pain in their victim's eyes, they don't see them cry, they don't see them hang their head or hurt. and so that feeds into a lack of empathy. and by doing this digitally, they just don't have the brake they might be pumping if they saw what was happening to the kid they're victimizing here. i'm not only concerned about the lack of empathy the internet offers, i'm also concerned that it can follow the child home. you know, if you're at school, you get away from your bully and go home, you're safe, right? that's not the case. they can be back there in their
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bedroom at 10:00 and somebody is pounding on them through a chat room, whether it's form spring, myspace, facebook, they can be pounding on them at home and their parents don't even know it. >> i think about hope witsell, this girl who killed herself after texting a boy a naked photograph of herself, or at least a topless photograph of herself, and even on -- even in death she was bullied on a memorial page. and we've heard that in numerous cases of kids who -- there has been a facebook memorial page and people post just horrible things on the memorial page. >> how terrible is that? because you know that the parents go to memorial page because they want to share, they want to have this bond, this union with the people that loved their child. and then they have these people on there that are doing this sort of thing, they're saying these horrible things, that they're glad they're dead, and that's just got to break a parent's heart. and you know, you brought up something so important,
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anderson. 22% of teenage girls say that they have e-mailed or texted a compromising picture of themselves. now, most of them say they do it out of pressure from a boyfriend. but that -- once it's out there, you cannot unring that bell. and as part of controlling this internet bullying and internet exploitation, we have to teach our kids, look. don't do this stuff. because once you do that, you can't get it back, and you lose control of it. >> that's really when the bullying with hope began, after that picture, which she sent to one boy was widely distributed. i guess for parents, where do you draw the line between virtual spying on your kids, you know, reading all their online posts and trying to read their texts and being vigilant and watchful, there's nothing -- you can't do it all. >> well, you can't, but we do have to get involved. it's not just a matter of spying, it's a matter of protection. and here's the thing. children have the knowledge to
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use the internet. they know how to navigate around, they know how to get into chat rooms, know how to make images and send them, they have the knowledge. what they don't have is the wisdom. >> the other component of this is of course schools, and some schools are kind of unsure how to get involved, if cyberbullying is involved, because it's not happening necessarily, you know, on school campus. what do you think they can do to try to monitor or help stop the problem? >> well, first off, i think that what the schools have to do is not worry about jurisdictional lines. i mean, these are their kids. they're the members of their school community. i think the first thing they need to do is make it part of the curriculum. we need to not just have a talk, it needs to be an ongoing dialogue and needs to be made part of the curriculum where they teach kids, here's the downside of sexting, here's the downside of sending out photos, here's the downside of bullying someone, and here's what to do if it's happening to you.
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we cannot expect these kids to just know this stuff by osmosis, we have to tell them, tell them again and then tell them again. >> appreciate it. >> anderson, thank you so much. >> tomorrow, our series continues with a complicated case. you've probably heard about the case of phoebe prince. she was 15 when she hanged herself. she was from ireland, she moved to massachusetts and was allegedly bullied unrelentlessly. >> a narrative had emerged of a pack of mean kids that tormented phoebe prince for months and that reality doesn't match. >> the truth is much more complicated. >> it's much more complicated. exactly. >> one of the toughest anti-bullying laws in the country, six students are about to go on trial in charges related to her death. so are those charges warranted? we'll look at that tomorrow.
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