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>> he's been done. he's got -- >> when you meet james, i'm not going to tell him you said he'd been done. he may not take to you the way ollie has. >> thanks for joining us. be sure to join us tomorrow night. should a man that dressed up as a nazi ss officer be elected to congress? he said he was an actor teaching people about the word. his can critics say this idea liezs things. and miners could soon get their look at daylight in two months. the late details on the rescue operation under way. and later tonight, murder on pirate lake. a woman's husband missing, shot dead, she said by mexican bandits right in front of her. not everyone believed her story. today, new developments and
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also, a possible setback. tiffany hartley joins us tonight in "crime and punishment." and we begin with "keeping them honest." he was a world war ii actor and pretended to be a member of the adolph hitler's. he was a tea party favor and republic candidate. he's the one in the middle in the uniform. the uniform with the 5th division called "the vikings." he took part under his own name with his son and created anger man alter ego. from 2003 until three years ago. he says he started doing it to bond with his son and points out he took part in civil war re-enactments and other world war i and world war ii re-enact actmentes as a american soldier. he said this was, in large part, to help educate people about the war. we'll talk to him in a moment but first we want to focus on the idea that this was about educating people. as you see, mr. iyod's group
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seem to have left out a lot of history including the holocaust. here's a kre krumt video from his group. a recruitment video. that's what they look like when they march around which interestingly, their website description with the fifth ss division, what the vikings were all about. they emphasize that the vikings were emphasizing fighting the soviets and included volunteers from occupied countries and the web side says -- that city germany had no problem recruiting the multitudes of volunteers willing to lay down their lives to ensure a new and free europe. national socialism was seen by many in eastern european and balkan countries as their protector of personal freedom and their way of life, despite the true underlying totalitarian nature of the movement. thousands of thousands of
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valiant men died. no matter how unsavory the soldiers were, the front line, in particular the foreign volunteers, gave their lives with a basic desire to be free. the website emphasizes they were fighting against communism defending holland, denmark and norway. they were fighting for the nazi conquest of russia. as they put it in the "atlantic" --. you won't find that on the nazi re-enactor's website. they were involved in war crimes and atrocities including the death marches of the jews in
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sprang of 1945. german authorities say former members of the unit rounded up dozens of jewish slave laborers, forced them to kneel and shot them dead. nowhere on the vikings website is the word jew, jews, gypsies or anything ever mentioned. as for the notion that these volunteers were idealists. their countries were invaded and occupied by nazis. there were resistance fighters that died opposing this. but this whole idea of him dressing up, they were volunteering for their invaders. they were what a lot of people would call "collaborators." over the weekend, the gop minority leader repudiated this and said he would, quote, not support an individual who would do something like that. he joins us now. thanks very much for being with us. on your group's website it states clearly no one in the group at all subscribes to the
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beliefs of the nazis and no one, as far as i have heard, has made that accusation against you and i know a lot of people made fun of you for doing re-enactments so i want to point out, we are not in any way. i get it. many do re-enactments. my question is why this group you're a part of seems to be a sanitized version of this ss group? >> certainly, what you see on the website is -- that's not the story that one is communicating to the public about the war. that's a recruitment site for people that are interested in it. >> why would you do that on a website if you want -- if you want to educate people isn't the website the place to educate people? >> no. the whole purpose of historical re-enacting is to educate people one-on-one. and that is done by going out and participating in re-enactments. doing displays, optimal set up displays.
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air shows and events like that with americans and brits and poles and germans. an opportunity for the public to come in and talk one-on-one. >> if you're trying to recruit people into this group, was the point of the website and the video, and you make the effort to give a whole history of this group, this ss group, you would think you would give an accurate history and it's clearly not. >> that's not it at all. what we're talking about is just, you know, the highlights of it. remember, this website is not designed to educate people. this is designed for people who are history buffs and may have some interest in getting into this. >> don't you want to tell people what they're dressing up as? isn't that fair? if you're trying to recruit people to this group of nazi re-enactors, i understand you're trying to appeal in a broadway, but don't you want to be accurate and tell those people what they're dressing up as? were you aware of the atrocities
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that this particular group you were dressing up as, were you aware of the atrocities they have been accused of? >> what happened in germany during the second world war is absolutely one of the, the low points in human history. in fact, as you mentioned on the website, it talks about what happened and that we don't support that. we don't support the political or the a ideological motives of that time. we're talking strictly about history. it's important for us to remember the history. >> were you aware of the history. the atrocities of this group? it wasn't like you were dressing up as a german grunt who was fighting for, you know, germany. collaborators? >> were you aware of that? >> yes. the members of the vikings came from many different countries.
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>> were that's collaborators? >> that's accurate. >> i don't know. they were volunteers. they wanted to fight what they saw as a bigger bigger threat to them than germany. >> in their own country people were fighting and dying and they were taking jews out of home and sending them to concentration camps and they chose to leave their own country and join the nazi who is had invaded. we would call that a collaborator. >> you may. but they were doing what -- >> you don't think they are collaborators? >> i don't know that i would put that libel on them. they were doing what they thought was right for their country. and they were going out and fight what can they thought was a bigger, you know, a bigger evil. >> you do know that in austrian historian has written habit jews shot by this viking division and
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military police back in 1945? she also writes about 18 prisoners were executed by members of this division between april 7th and 11th, 1945. and last year, a 90-year-old german guy, was identified as a member of the viking unit and arrested and charged with the murder of 58 jews and have been forced to labor in austria. why would you dress up as members of this particular unit? it seems odd. >> this particular unit was one that was never charged with war crimes. >> wait a minute. are you saying they did not commit war crimes? i'm aware they were never charged but this man was just charged and this was war crimes. >> the war on the eastern front was extremely brutal on both sides. nobody was lilly-white, that's for sure. >> but were not the nazis planning for mass executions of
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-- and enslavement of slavs and jews? there was a lot more than fighting for the jews. it was for nazi domination of eastern europe. >> the website is not the educational tool. the website is really there for people who are interested in the organization or want to learn more about it. it's not the end-all to be all. one of the things we do with new members we talk about the whole history of the war. and what went on. like i said, that's absolutely one of the darkest periods in history. >> on the website it says -- you called them "valiant men." do you believe these men, who in some cases, took part in these crimes were valiant men? >> i think they thought they were fighting for their homeland. >> i'm sure the people in the concentration camps thought they
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were doing a good thing, too. that doesn't make it so. do you think these were valiant men? >> i don't think we can sit here and judge that today. we were not there the time they made those decisions. were there bad people? absolutely. were there atrocities committed? absolutely there were. there are people that want to deny the holocaust ever happened in this country and around the world. if we don't keep the story alive and tell the truth -- >> i agree but the website doesn't mention the holocaust. it doesn't mention it anywhere on the website and you're dressing up as s.s. officers. they ran the concentration camps. i get re-enactment but i don't get dressing up as an s.s. officer. >> there are no s.s. officer in there. as a matter of clarification. they are all enlisted personnel. but it's part of the teaching process. we talk about all of this. again, the website is not something for general public consumption where we're trying
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to get a message across to the general public about the whole picture of the war. >> to jewish voters in your district, you're running for congress right now and they look at "the atlantic" and see this picture of you and you won't say that they were not valiant men. you don't say they are collaborators. why should somebody vote for you? should they judge you based on this? >> like i said, this was something i've done for years, started back in college doing the civil war and world war ii. first world war. done both sides. probably more events as an american than anything else. and this is just another way to communicate that story and keep alive, the history of world war ii. and to educate people. we go into schools and do programs to talk about it. as i mentioned, we do public displays. i haven't been involved for several years now.
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too busy. >> i know you said your son had lost interest and that was a big reason for you getting into it in the first place. i appreciate you coming on and talking about it. i know those people slap photos on websites and didn't point out that you took part in other re-enactments as well. we wanted to do that and let our viewers make up their own minds. >> thank you. you did a good job. >> join us and let us know. is that a fair criticism? or the man that would like to be congressman? let us know. sharron angle's claim that two towns are in danger of succumbing to islamic law. see what the mayor of one town has to say about it. and wait until you see what we found out about the other town. and america's tough sheriff. could be in trouble with the law. that's when we continue. [ slap! slap! slap! slap! slap! ] [ male announcer ] your favorite foods fighting you? fight back fast with tums. calcium rich tums goes to work in seconds. nothing works faster. ♪ tum ta tum tum tums
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i a say it a lot. we don't take political sides on "360 "we don't want to be liberal or conservative and we just want facts and we try to take aim at politics, republicans and candidates who say things that can't be supported with hard facts especially when they don't seem interested in taking the questions about it. recently, sharron angle wondered about the islamic law being imposed on americans and indicated it's already happened. here's the audio happening.
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>> islamic law being forced on americans in frankfurt, texas and dearborn, michigan. that sounds serious. we decide check. "keeping them honest." she doesn't have her facts straight.
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this is frankfort, texas. the city of dallas anexted this in 1975. as for dearborn, one of america's oldest and largest arab communities but it's still under completely constitutional jurisdiction. the mayor is pretty angry at sharron angle and wrote her a letter and i quote, muslims have been practicing in our community for almost 90 years without incident or conflict. the suggestion that they have taken over -- we invited sharron angle on do defend herself. she chose not to. i spoke to dearborn's mayor, john o'reilly, earlier tonight. is there sharia law in dearborn, michigan? >> no. in fact, there's hardly any sharia law in the middle east. only about three countries actually still carry that out. >> has there been an effort, by anyone in dearborn, to get sharia law? >> oh, no. it isn't even talked about in dearborn. this is an invention of some people who have, as their goal, i mean, they believe that the
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muslim faith is a false faith. it's dishonest and they'll really believe at the heart of it, by their own ideas, that if muslims won't convert they should be removed from america. >> what percentage of the population in dearborn is muslim? >> we don't have an exact number. in the last census, 30% of the population was arab-american. that means that many people don't realize this, but there are other faiths represented in the middle east. and particularly in our area, the people who were formerly in iraq and the lebanese christians which migrated here in the middle of the last century in large numbers when syria was occupying lebanon. they make up a pretty substantial numbers but the majority are muslim. >> if you go online, there's a number of incidents, a number of videos which are attributed to kind of one group that has been, i guess, appearing at an
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arab-american festival in dearborn, i guess, over the last two years. this year there were four of them, four christian missionaries that were arrested while trying to, they say, share their faith at the arab festival in your city. this is a clip that's gotten nearly 2 million hits. festival in 2009. the same christian group had issues with security and the security does seem kind of overbearing. i want to show the video. >> hey, hey, you can't touch my camera. this is america. you cannot touch my camera. >> what happened there? do you believe the group was fairly treated? if you look at it on the internet it's like sharia law here in the united states. >> it's heavily edited. this group has their own agenda. i want to stress first of all this is not a city-sponsored
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event. this is an event put on by the american-arab chamber of commerce and a.c.c.e.s.s., a social service's group. but you have to understand, they suggest that christians aren't allowed at the festival and quite the contrary is true. christians are active participants in this event, including preaching to muslims about christ. this has been going on every year. if you watch the selection and the edited versions that are shown on the youtube, you'd never know there is active prieching going on. >> i know you were planning to send a letter to ms. angle inviting you to your city. have you sent the letter? have you heard from her? >> yes. i mailed it today so i haven't heard from her yet. but it invites her and it explains. i want to give her some background so she would be
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lowered to within feet of the miners and officials say it all went perfectly well. the mine verse begun a liquid die to the prepare to get into this pod-like vehicle. today, rescuers finished encasing the upper part of the tunnel in steel. gary tuchman is in chile and joins us with the latest. what's the latest going on? >> reporter: well, anderson, if all goes well this will be the 68th and final night all these miners will be tropped together under the ground in that lighted area behind me. there's a very festive area and festive atmosphere. we're in the middle of the dessert about 500 miles north of the capital of santiago. normally no one lives out here. the miners have come here for generations. since that has happened this has become a small and unusual city. a city with no comfort and little sanitation. right now it's a very happy place. these are the tents for the family members of the miners are living, in many cases, for weeks. this is camp hope. a great place for them to be because it's expected right down
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the road are where the loved ones will be coming up shortly. here's the vantage point. they're walking down the path when top rags begins. you see that sign, stop. officers are guarding the area behind the cranes. that's where the 33 miners are underground right now. this area, camp hope, has become a circus. there are clowns here entertaining. it's so rare we get the cover stories that most assurely, have a happy ending. this has become quite a crazy place. this is how we made the best with the limit facilities we have with, area that literally has nothing except a mine. we're doing our reports on top of rocks that have been set up in is a very spartan area. the hour drive from the airport to get here, there's absolutely nothing. no businesses whatsoever. no gas stations, restaurants or hotels. now 2,000 people are here including 1500 members of the news media. it's quite a remarkable scene. this has been going on so long
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literally, a little red schoolhouse has been kruktd for the children of the miners who have been here for many weeks. they're playing soccer right now. here is a sign, many celebrations of miner's lives. this one says, "god is in all places at the same time. your family loves you." one of the 33 miners underground. right across the way, another type of celebration has been built. these are flags. 33 flags in front and 32 from chile, one from bolivia. that's where the miners are from. the mood is one of excitement and everybody is so upbeat. these family members and all of us here hope they are excited and happy a couple days from now. >> gary, how confident they are that they can pull people out by tomorrow night? >> reporter: unless something unexpected happens, anderson, they expect this process to begin at about 11:00 eastern time tomorrow night. they say it would begin earlier. that's what they're hoping to
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do. ultimately it will take a while. 20 to 30 minutes for each man to come up individually, so this will go into thursday or friday. the images, video and pictures should be amazing. >> gary, appreciate it. great news. >> following other stories tonight. welcome back. >> thanks anderson. american forces in afghanistan may have killed this british aide worker by throwing a grenade while trying to free her from her captors. they said general david petraeus, the top u.s. commander in afghanistan will launch an investigate into the failed rescue operation. in hungary, the chief executive of the company involved in last week's deadly toxic sludge spill has been arrested. he's accused of public endangerment and harming the environment. anderson, secret service says a man who threw a book at president obama on sunday at the
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rally in philadelphia, meant no harm. instead, they say he's an overexuberant author who wanted the president to simply read his book. now, i'm no expert in these matters, although you're not going to hear me say that too often, but you got to be a couple sandwiches short of a picnic to throw a book at the president. >> yes. >> i'm just saying. >> a couple sandwiches short. did you say aluminum? they say it a-loo-minium. >> i was in nigeria for two weeks. it was a rip-roars trip with lots of excitement but it's good to be back with you. >> we'll have more from your later on tonight. still ahead, keeping them honest, the arizona sheriff popular for being tough on crime is now under investigation for allegedly abusing his own power.
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pink underwear, black and pink uniform. his style is my way or the highway. he's never lost an election. now the sheriff himself is the subject of a grand jury investigation accused of abusing his power repeatedly and without shame. "keeping them honest" here's drew griffin from our special investigations. >> the head of the board of supervisors. three years ago in 2007, he began asking questions about money being used by the sheriff joe arpaio, to be used to send sheriff's deputies to a resort in honduras. and then out of the blue, he was under criminal investigation by the sheriff. >> you tell me anybody that gets in his way. >> anybody that disagrees with anything he had to say became a criminal target and were criminally investigated. >> a year later, mary rose wilcox, also a county board supervisor, was the lone voice
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against funding the sheriff's popular "illegal immigration" raids. then she, too, was under a criminal investigation by the sheriff. >> he's tried to put you in prison. >> he indicted me and 44 felony counts. i was devastated. >> i know this is the west but this sounds like the old wild west where the sheriff is the supreme law. >> he has forgotten that the united states' constitution and we're ruled by if rule of law which he has thrown out the window. >> reporter: when the county's budget director, sandy wilson, tried to enforce countywide budget cuts on the sheriff's department, she, too, had sheriffs investigators knocking on her door. >> who would have believed the way they would go about stopping us from doing their job would have been to go against individuals within my office, myself included, the county manager, criminally. >> many say behind the scenes
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the beloved tough sheriff, joe arpaio, opens investigations and sends out his deputies against politicians, judges, mayors and even civil servants, anyone who gets in his way. the sheriff's office says the investigations are all legitimate. that investigators had probable cause and the duty to investigate. others call it intimidation. abuse of power. here's why. don stapley faced two sheriff's department investigations. 118 counts in all. he was handcuffed, put in jail. it was a painful ordeal. but all of it, all of it was dismissed. his defense cost him personally more than $1.5 million. when mary rose wilcox got into court, every charge against her, all 44, thrown out. and grand jury records released this year show an investigation launched against county director
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sandy wilson ended because the grand jury said there was no case. paul charleston is a former u.s. attorney for arizona. he's now in private practice and represents don stapley. >> if i believe it to be true, the abuse of authority is when you mess with my budget, when you mess with my issues, i'm going to look into your past. there might be no evidence of a crime that occurred but i'll bring charges against you anyway? >> that's exactly right. i take it a step further. if you're a judge who is sitting on a case that i have and you rule against me, that very ruling can be evidence of a crime and you will be charged and that's exactly what happened to one of our city criminal judges here. >> and that is also true. a sitting judge who ruled against sheriff arpaio in multiple cases was then investigated by the sheriff for bribery. once again, the case was thrown out. no evidence. but now, the investigations have
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turned on the sheriff himself. a federal probe begun two years ago has moved to a grand jury here. investigating whether this toughest sheriff in america has been abusing his power. confirmed by some who had been called to testify, the investigation focuses on the sheriff, his chief deputy and a former county attorney. and whether they use their powers to attack political opponents. >> we thought with allegations like those made against this outspoken sheriff, we'd be hearing from the sheriff himself. but, instead when we got to the sheriff's department we were brought into a room led by the sheriff's pr person. a budget director and an interim deputy chief who tried to answer for a sheriff who was a no-show. >> i don't understand why suddenly joe arpaio has sent out you three people, basically, to -- i mean, this is nervous, to face this kind of media scrutiny
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and these kinds of questions. i mean, he's the toughest sheriff in america. >> he is the toughest sheriff and he's a good sheriff. if he could be here, he would be here. but when you've got legal council advising you not to speak because you're a potential witness in a number of these investigations he has to default to what his attorneys say. >> the problem is, none of these people the sheriff sent to talk to us say they had anything to do with the political investigations the sheriff is accused of conducting. this is interim chief deputy. >> jerry, did he abuse his power? did he send out underlings to check on these. were you involved in those decisions? >> no, he did not. i've been here for 32 years. i know the interin workings of the office. the sheriff was not involved in any of those things he was accused of.
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>> but in the chase of don stapley, the sheriff is not done. even though all 118 counts against stapley were thrown out, the sheriff is appealing. >> it's unbelievable. it's the kind of thank you wouldn't think could even happen in the united states of america in the 21st century. >> the grand jury now investigating the sheriff, could report its findings any day. whether this sheriff, acclaimed for being tough, went too far. drew griffin, cnn, phoenix. >> serious charge also continue to follow. up next, the mysterious case of david hartley. what happened? where is he? his wife said he was killed while jet skis on the mexican border on a lake. are the mexican police pursuing any suspects? i'll talk to tiffany hartley and find out what she thinks about this case, the public, if it's pressuring mexico to take action. oprah's school for south africa, a verdict in the former matron of the school accused of abuse. find out why oprah winfrey is
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conflicting information on the disappearance of david hartley. police are searching for two brothers who are well known in northern mexico. later, a different official contradicted him and said there's no suspects in the case. about ten days ago, hartley and his wife tiffany went jet skiing on falcon lake that straddles the me, can border.
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tiffany said they were attacked by gunmen that killed her husband. i spoke with tiffany hartley a short time ago. tiffany, how are you holding up? >> it's been hard, the last few days, definitely, since everything has been up and down, we hear one story and then we hear another. just trying to figure out what's going to happen when i leave, if i'm going to leave. it's been very emotional, obviously, and very frustrating. it's not easy. >> you actually went back to the lake. what was that like? >> emotional. it was hard because i -- we put the whole entire day from the time i left my house to the time we got there, to the time that we -- i came home. that whole day was just a remembrance of what happened. and i wanted to honor david and leave flowers for him, especially his favorite color. but still, it didn't -- it brought some peace but at the
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same time it didn't bring closure because i don't have him. he's not here with me. >> do you feel like mexican authorities are actively searching for his body? >> we've been getting word that they are. that they've been on the ground. they've been in the water. that they are looking to have some divers. i was under the impression that was supposed to happen today. but we still haven't gotten word if that's official or not. if they did do that or not. and with us not being there or being on falcon lake we can't really tell, you know, and which don't know what they're doing. wi just kind of trusting what we keep hearing. >> do you think you going on television has kind of forced the issue to have officials? has made them do stuff maybe they wouldn't have done before? >> i do. i think that us stepping up forward and going to the media has really started to push the mexican authorities saying -- we need to get this done. we need to get this over with and find him.
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you know? whatever they're doing, i think it really has stepped-up the process otherwise i don't think this would be anywhere farther than we were after day one. >> could you identify anybody? if they did apprehend somebody could you recognize the faces of your alleged attackers? >> no, i don't think i could. i've tried to get an image in my head and mind of what they looked like but i was so focused on the gun i didn't really focus on them to see, you know, anything of their facial or -- >> how many people were there -- how many boats were there. >> there were three boats that were chasing us and one boat came up to me and i saw two people in that boat. but there was a third or a fourth person in that boat. i just didn't see them. >> how close did they get to you at the closest point? >> our jet ski is about 10 feet long and i was in the back of the jet ski and they were at the front of it so about 10 feet.
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>> and how many guns were there? just one? >> i just saw the one. that was pointing at me. i wasn't looking for any other ones. >> and i know -- i think david's father was quoted as saying he didn't think that the mexican authorities would find his body. if that is, in fact, the case, what happens? how will you move forward? >> if that is the case, then we will start, you know, fighting for this border to get the border secure. that's kind of been on the back of our minds. after things settle down with david and we get him home -- >> tiffany hartley, i appreciate you talking to us and i wish you strength in the days ahead. thank you. >> thank you. >> up next -- the verdict and oprah winfrey's reaction to the verdict of a case of the woman accused of abusing her girls at her school.
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let's get another yale on the news. we'll be back with the business bulletin. a urgent call for the public's health in hickory, north carolina. the police are search for a 10 year old whose father and stepmother reported her missing on saturday. police say there are inconsistencies in the stepmother's statement. he don't know how long the child's actually been missing. the former matron at oprah winfrey's school for girls in south africa accused of fondling some of the students that listen aacquitted of the charges. in the statement, win free says she's disappointed in the outcome but proud of the girl who is testified. the massachusetts institute of technology, was one of three economists awarded the nobel prize in economics today. for research into how government policy affects unemployment. interestingly, diamond was denied a spot on the federal reserving board just two months
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ago by a senator who felt he was too inexperienced. and this for you tonight, anderson. tmz reported snooki will sign autographed and it will count towards her community service. she was arrested for drunkenness in july and ordered to complete two days of community service. >> so she signs autographs for community service? that's her community service? >> that's what the world has come to, anderson. >> man. >> i haven't seen the show. >> i can't believe that. >> this is a show that's generated phrases like "gtl." do you know that what that means? >> is that something to do with grenades? >> grenades there term for -- i won't go into it. >> okay, don't. gym, tan, laundry. >> i don't know what that means. >> neither do i. i stay away from the tanning. >> you watch one episode and you've seen the whole thing because it's the same thing week
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after week after week. >> fighting and drinking and falling down? >> right and vomiting. >> this was published in a british newspaper "the mail" on sunday. it was all over the internet. tiger woods chipping a shot during the ryder cup. the ball headed straight for the camera lens. the guy on the right side of the photo wearing a phony mustache and smoking a cigar has been dubbed the "the cigar guy." he's a 30-year-old investment banker from london who loves golf and his get-up was a tribute to a spanish golfer who smoked cigars on the links. that's the real person. >> and this dude lives at home with his parents. but has been receiving marriage proposals. >> based on that photograph? >> yes. i'm wondering what it is that attracts these women. >> a lot of lonely hearts out there. >> the read hair, the mustache? >> it's probably easier to write to him than someone in prison
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so, you know. >> i won't go into the people who right to me from prison. >> really, you get people writing to you from prison? >> and they send me recipes. >> to be continued. good morning to you. thanks so much for being with us. it's tuesday the 12th of october. i'm kiran chetry. >> i'm john roberts. thanks so much for being with us. an attempt to rescue the 33 trapped chilean miners could begin as early as midnight tonight. their escape tunnel has been tested, everything is a go, the men have been stuck underground for 69 days now. we're live with the latest from copiapo, chile in a moment. a rare glimpse inside north