weeks not knowing and then you get the note buff don't know. it could be christmas. imagine the drama. >> there's number 20 right there. the 20th guy. >> dario antonio segovia rojas. he is 48 years old. he is coming up now. been in there 69 days. let's listen to a bit of the applause here and a bit of the natural sound of had really joyous occasion and then we'll get right back. stand by. take a listen. [ speaking in foreign language ]

jshg speaking in foreign language ] [ speaking in foreign language ] >> you're watching miner number 20 come out.

his name is dario -- i don't want to interrupt this. >> chi-le! >> chi-chi-chi-! le-le-le! viva chile! >> thank you for everything. jshg speaki [ speaking in foreign language ] >> we feel really proud of what you did.

>> about to interrupt there and talk over that. you can't write this. it's amazing. many of the guys who have been coming up have been showing that much spirit, coming out of there and cheering the rescuers on and the people who are watching. again, this is number 20. his name is dario antonio segovia rojas. 48 years old. here's the interesting thing about him. he's a carrier pigeon handler, second generation of his family to be trapped in a mine because his father, who was once trapped in a mine for a week, began taking him down into the mines when rojas was just 8 years old and his favorite -- just a little bit about him. his favorite chilean soccer team is cola cola. number 20 to come up. number 21 that's going to come up during our hours of course has been a very interesting person. besides probably the foreman he's the one talked about the most. this is the one self proclaimed of course who has two families. he has a wife and mistress. reportedly he asked his wife and mistress to be there to greet

him and the wife said no way. he's coming up next. that should happen within our hour, within just a few minutes. we will bring that to you. i'm don lemon at the cnn headquarters in atlanta. you're watching our coverage of rescuing the miners in chile. it is the big story that everyone is watching today. over the next two hours, we're going to bring you each rescue as it happens live here on cnn. so, so far we have seen 20 men pulled from the gold and copper mine where they've been trapped since part of that mine collapsed 69 days ago. remember, 69 days ago. i want you to watch this. so listen, this is mario sepulveda after he was pulled from the mine overnight. and you saw number 20 coming up nothing like super mario. check out how he led a crowd in cheer.

>> chi-le! >> chi-chi-chi-! le-le-le! viva chile! >> so, listen, as i said ware going to be watching this over the next two hours on cnn. i want to go to someone who knows a lot about this. his name is stanley stewart. stanley survived the upper big branch mine explosion and he was trapped underground for a while. and he has been sharing his experience with us. he shared it with larry king last night. i want to welcome stanley to our broadcast. at the top of the hour here you're watching number 20 being pulled up. does this bring back anything for you? >> well, yes, don. every one i see brought up, i just have a flood of cold chills over my whole body. and, i'm elated that these men are being rescued. that's astounding. i know the first 16 or 17 days they had to have a feeling of hopelessness.

and for them to be able to see the light of day again, it's just -- it's just great. >> stanley, can you even put into words that feeling of hopelessness or wondering if you're going to be rescued, if anyone is going to come get you? >> well, me, myself, i have a license plate on my car and i've lived it my whole life. it says, "just keep pounding." and what i have mean by that is no matter what, no matter how bad things are, if you just keep pounding and never quit and never give up, something good will happen. and i feel like these miners lived by that. and by golly, it's paying off. >> now, you know, that was tough, but a tougher part or maybe an equally as tough part is probably going to come up for these guys and that's the reality -- back to reality, shall we say. what are they looking forward to

now? what's going to happen to them now in your experience, stanley? >> yes. i feel like after the initial joy of them surviving and everything calms down, they're going to have some issues they need to deal with. they'll need to seek help because they will have flashbacks. they'll have nightmares. and they will recall that they nearly died. and they will have to deal with that. and it will be hard for them to deal with it on their own. so they'll need help. i know i still have problems myself. and i feel like these guys will too. >> you know the old saying not a day goes by. is that true for you? >> right. not a day goes by. i still relive that day. part of me is still up -- the best part of me is still up on that mountain. and i want me back. and i'm just glad these guys

haven't had to suffer any deaths in this mining accident and it's coming out very well thus far. but they'll still have problems to deal with. >> hey, stanley, explain that to me. this is -- i know it's a very personal moment for you and it's a very personal reaction and feeling. but this may be just the time for the whole world to find out what people like you deal with who have to do this sort of work. what do you mean by the best of you is left up on that mountain and you want the best of you back. >> i'm not me anymore. i don't enjoy everything i've always enjoyed my whole life. i just haven't been able to find enjoyment. and that day happened, we got the initial nine out. seven of them didn't make it. i worked on those guys and i felt myself separate from my body and i never came back to

it. and i know i was having a very hard time yesterday evening. i just cried and told my wife, i want me back. and that's what i want. and it's a daily thing. and i just hope and pray that i will come back some day. >> stanley, those are really emotional and amazing words. and i think part of what you're describing may be survivor's guilt, why did i survive and others die. do you feel that? >> i feel a little bit of that. and, plus, i had some very, very dear friends -- and friend is not the word for these guys. it goes beyond being friends with these men. worked with them every day for years. and i miss them. i dream about them. i dream of being in that mine. i dream of seeing those guys reaching out for some help.

and i can't help them. but, you know, it's -- i'm trying to deal with it. >> how you doing? >> here lately, i'm not doing very well. it's like an emotional roller coaster ride. the first initial weeks it was like i was in shock. all i did was go to funerals. and then through the last middle months of the it, i would be up and down. i would have a day or two i would say, hey, i feel pretty normal. then all of a sudden it would be like a cloud hovering down on me and when it would hit me i would hit a low again. the last few weeks, my roller coaster has been stuck on the bottom. >> post traumatic stress disorder, just like a war zone. >> it felt like a war zone up there that day, don. it was utter chaos.

and i don't want to go into the details, but that's what it was like. >> these -- is it fair, stanley, to call the guys that you were with and these guys a band of brothers? and would it be fair to say that you and probably them have a bonds that you may not even be able to form with your own family? >> yes, sir, absolutely, 100%. miners have that bond. they know things about each other that their family doesn't know and they share it all and they play practical jokes on each other every day. it's kind of a miserable environment you have to work on or in. so we just try to make it fun. we have a sense of humor that cannot be matched. some of the humor goes on in a coal mine would make millions in the outside world. and, yes, any miner anywhere in the world has that bond with other miners that he doesn't

even know. like i said before, if i hear of a miner being killed or anything of that nature, a piece of my heart goes out to them, i have no idea who they even are, because i know what they have to deal with every day and what they have to work in and what they do. so, yeah, it hurts any time i hear of any coal miner being hurt or killed. >> so, stanley, listen, if you can take us to the moments when you were trapped and possibly when these 33 men were trapped and you think -- and i'm sure this has to run through your head obviously -- this may be the last moments of my life -- do you have share things with the guys around you? do you say, you know, i did something really bad or i did something really wrong. i want to share in and get this off my conscience? do you have those for lack of a better terms come to jesus moments with the people around you? >> okay. i wasn't actually trapped, don.

i was inside the mine when it exploded and i was able to run and was able to get out without being trapped for any length of time. but as far as sharing things, yeah. i'm sure if -- in the situation these guys was in, i'm sure they shared a lot. and it would be unimaginable the things. i'm sure they tried to make light of it and humor to keep their sanity. but, yeah, a miner would share many things. >> what flashes in front of you? because these guys said for a while that the dust -- because of the collapse, they couldn't see for a long time. you said you were able to run out. there was an explosion, though, in your case. so in those last moments, i'm sure running through your head is, first of all, i need to get out of here. but oh, my gosh, what in the world is going on.

>> yes, sir. when the mine exploded and luckily for me, we were just starting our shift. we weren't very far underground. and the force of the explosion, i felt like it was going to lift me off my feet and blow me out of the mine and exploded several miles from where i was at. but it's -- once i got out, i knew what had happened. and i looked back in there and i knew i had a lot of buddies in there because that's where we were on our way to relieve them fellows. and i knew where they were and i thought, oh, my god, i got a lot of friends in there. and i stood outside and i watched -- i'd watch the portal and watch my clock. i knew how long it took to get out there. i only hoped that they would somehow emerge. i watched and watched and they

never came. i knew that wasn't -- wasn't good. >> stanley stewart, we appreciate your bravery for coming on and sharing your story with us and helping us through this coverage, okay? and we wish you the absolute very best. and i mean that from the bottom of my heart. okay? thank you, sir. stanley stewart survived the upper big branch mine explosion that was back in april 5th of this year. and we are watching those live pictures now coming from this mine in chile where there are still a number of men who are underground now. they have brought 20 of those men up. we're waiting for number 21. you have witnessed the emotion here, the anticipation, the drama, all of it on cnn. we're going to continue with that right after the break and we're going to take you live to copiapo, chile, and we're going to get to our karl penhaul who is on the ground and he's going to pick up the coverage from there. prob and she's fed up withy le oher old hearing aid.

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welcome back, everyone. you're watching our continuing coverage on cnn of the rescue of those miners in chile. the capsule is going down. you see it going into the cave now just about, let's see, 17, 18 minutes ago they brought up miner number 20. his name is dario segovia, number 20. and he is really a legacy, as they say, when it comes to mining. he was trapped. his dad was trapped years ago. his dad was a minler. his dad brought him into the mines as young as 18 years old. and so he is up and safe now and it was a very emotional re union with his family. now we're waiting on miner number 21. and this is all part of the story. we're not being salacious about this but this has been reported. this is the miner who self professed he has two families. he has a wife and a mistress.

and reportedly according to newspapers and other interviews, the wife says she's not planning on being there at least when he comes up. talking about yonni barrios rojas, 50 years old. his fellow miners called him dr. house after the american tv show which is popular in chile. he's been working in the mines since 1985. married with no children but, again, as he has said himself, he has a mistress. and he invited the mistress and the wife to be there with him. he sent it up through a note. that's just part of the news. so he will be up probably in about 20 minutes here on cnn. and we're wondering as you are who will be there for him when he comes out of this mine that he has been there for, what, 69 days now. live pictures there you see from underground as they load him into the chamber. cnn's karl penhaul joining us from copiapo, chile. karl, every single miner who

comes up, the emotion is just as strong as the first one. >> reporter: absolutely. and i think now we're going to be looking in the next few moments at yonni bearrios. he has a special place at camp hope where the families have camped out. we've all heard the salacious stories about his wife and girlfriend. that said those close to his family say he left his wife some time ago and moved in with his mistress. but really what the families here are grateful for is the fact that yonni barrios had paramedics training. he was the explosive expert on the shift on august 5th that got trapped but he also had paramedic training. when the rescuers found that shift alive 17 days later he was nominated as the doctor in the

mine. and that really has led his companions, as you mentioned, to call him jokingly in the videos they've sent up dr. house after the u.s. tv series. but it is he who helped carry out the blood test and urine tests. he's checked the daily vital signs and been in charge of the tape measure to make sure that the burliest miners slim down fast enough to fit inside the fenix 2 rescue capsule. we can see because things have gone off without a hitch that he has done a great job. we've seen those miners coming up in what seemed to have been an amazing state of health. and a lot of that is all down to chile's own dr. house, yonni barrios. the health minister said we'll have to get him an express doctor's certificate and others echoed that feeling but like a lot of the miners these people

aren't perfect. that's that's where the story lies. these are relatively unremarkable men called on to do absolutely remarkable things. one of those was yonni barrios. as you say, though, when he gets back up to the surface he could face a little hot water depending on how his wife and mistress care to take the news. in fact, talking to a mining consultant who had contact with the miners, he said yonni barrios would have liked to have been up last and would have liked to have gone out the back door if that had been possible, don. >> you know, karl, and i think you're right. no one is perfect. and to -- i think what's even more important here is that this man, that yonni saved so many lives with the work that he did especially with the medical work and what have you. so that's an interesting part of the story, but it's certainly not yonni barrios' entire story. if you can take us to what's

behind you there, karl, camp hope as they have been calling it. and tell us what's going on. as we understand, we've been talking about the women got their hair done. they got makeup yesterday. i'm sure the families are very excited about the ones who are not up yet. take us to inside of camp hope what's happening behind you. >> reporter: yeah. let me just stand out of the way and maybe we can pan around a little bit and show you what is in camp hope and what is left of camp hope. you might be able to see groups of people down towards the lower end. that is where some of the families are still congregating as they wait for their loved ones still to emerge. but it strikes me as well now number 21 we've got yonni barrios coming up. the number one man flornzo lagos. i wouldn't say that the name doesn't matter but it doesn't matter what family they come from because on august the 5th when that mine collapsed 33

individual families make their way to the san jose gold and copper mine looking for news on their loved ones and 33 families stood and said we're not leaving until you give us our husbands, our brothers, our loved ones, dead or alive. and during the time that they've been here more than two months now, those 33 families have become one single family. it's become one single family with 33 sons. and so son number 21 is coming back to this family here in camp hope. it doesn't matter what individual family he belongs to. but of course yonni, like all the others, has his own individual story to tell as well. >> karl penhaul, great reporting. we appreciate it. stand by because no doubt we'll come back as this continues here on cnn. we want to get more of a perspective about what exactly is going on not only inside the mine but above the mine where they are rescuing these people and what's going to be done afterwards not only in that country but in this country as well. could be changes.

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welcome back to our coverage live. we're waiting for miner number 21 to come up and that should happen any time soon. we saw that capsule down in the cavern just a short time ago. and they are preparing to load him in there and bring him back up. i think you see the wheel. i think it's coming back up. we'll have that live for you. let's learn more about not only the health and safety of these men physically but also mentally swlt. davitt mcateer led the mine safety and health administration

under president bill clinton administration. he joins us by phone from cabin creek, west virginia. standing with me clinical psychologist dr. eric fisher. dr. e. as we've been calling him on the air. we appreciate you joining us. i'm going to talk to you in a bit about mr. stewart and his emotional state. an emotional interview and what we can do. to mr. mcateer first. as you've been watching what has been going through your head about improving mining safety so this doesn't happen again? >> i think what's important about this lesson is the fact that we experience here suggests that we in fact can get to miners who are trapped underground if we can keep them alive. the experience here in this country unfortunately has been the last number of disasters is that we haven't been able to get there quickly. i think as a result of sago and result of others there's been an improvement in the ability to get to folks underground quicker

and much more thought has been given to it. i'm very proud two of the companies working down here in chile are from the united states and drilling -- doing the drilling are there. we need to apply those lesson in the united states. we need to apply them before accidents occur and we need to apply them in a preventive kind of way rather than a reactive way. >> but it has to, mr. mcateer -- pardon the interruption. it has to break your heart and want to provide more expediency and give more urgency to mine safety. when you see these men coming up and hear from stanley stewart who survived the upper big branch explosion. >> absolutely. there's no question about it. you know, this is a 21st century. we ought to have technology that's able to get to people and bring them out. but before that, we have to have technology that prevents disasters from occurring. and we need to be working very diligently to try to do that. we're still working on the investigation of the upper big

branch mine disaster. we need to learn these lessons and learn them very, very well and learn them at every mine in the country. it's terribly important to do that so that we don't have to repeat this accident -- which is having a positive outcome but we don't have to repeat the indent at upper big branch. >> dr. e., eric fisher, your book is called "the art of managing everyday conflict." this is not an everyday conflict. >> no. >> when you heard stanley stewart and came into the studio oh, my gosh. still right here. he relives it every day. >> there's real issues of survival guilt that he has clearly that he was one of the ones that made it out or the one that made it out. >> these guys will have the same thing or similar. >> luckily, nobody was lost in this. but it still could remain to be seen. also the long term health issues of the black lung or any other thing that's going on with them healthwise that could still evolve. and there are some people --

fungal issues and things like that that have to be considered here. so it definitely is an issue. when somebody survives and others don't or somebody doesn't, it can definitely bring a lot of guilt which can compound the issues of post traumatic stress, depression and/or anxiety. >> when he relives it over and over in his waking hours. nightmares -- in your sleep, i'm trapped in a mine. i'm sure that's going to happen. you see the wives who wake up husbands who have gone to war and reliving the battle over and over in their haefdz. you think these guys no doubt some of them will do that. >> definitely. probably some will. the brain processes information in our sleep. what we spend waking time doing is deal with the present and handle that. all this energy we spend in trying to deal with now we're trying to spend energy and keep stuff in the background we wish we could throw away in our lives. that's why the best thing they need to do is process it and realize nightmares are our

conscience way of processing. >> as we wait for the 21st miner to be brought up, what struck me, as i have been saying to everyone, this is really a alsoon especially to americans where we talk about overcon summing and whine about every single thing. not one person asked for an antidepressant or anti-anxiety drug. is this live? thank you, mr. mcateer and dr. e. we're going to go live to the mine in copiapo, chile, and we're going to look at miner number 21 coming up. his name is yonni barrios rojas. 50 years old. he is the one who is the chief paramedic for the group due to his previous nursing experience. that's what he served as. his mother had diabetes as a child and he was tasked with her care. so the people who were suffering with diabetes, he helped them out. his fellow miners, as we've been saying, are calling him dr. house after the american tv show, which is also popular in chillee. and he has been in the mines --

working in the mines since 1985. married with no children. this is the self-professed two-families person. so two people are waiting for him? we're going to listen to his rescue. >> chi-le! >> chi-chi-chi-! le-le-le!

>> this is miner number 20, yonni barrios rojas. number 21 i should say. 50 years old as you are seeing there. he served as the chief paramedic. interesting. in full transparency on chilean television, she was fonted as we say here or when they identified her through writing on the screen and identified the woman who met him as spouse. so we're working to confirm whether or not it was his wife or it is his mistress. but, again, this is all part of the story. his wife reportedly said that she would not be there because he wanted the mistress to be

there as well. so we're working to see -- it could be his wife. it could be his mistress. here's the interesting thing. you could hear her wailing in the background. definitely someone who cares for him and that's all that matters at this point. i have to read this e-mail from a friend. i thank you for sending this. don says, who cares about him leaving his wife and moving in with a girlfriend. the story is the story of hope and inspiration of the 33 being trapped and alive and coming home after two months. doctor, do you agree with that? >> yeah. i think we have to focus on the issue that this person has come out alive but the other issue we need to look at is imagine being the wife who has had this situation that her husband had this -- that's another trauma for her to look at. again, the level of different ways people are going to perceive this and what they're going to do with it is going to determine sometimes the rest of their life. >> you can understand why she doesn't want to be there. imagine the tug in your heart. i want to be there because i love this person and glad he's alive but not with the other woman. you can definitely understand the tug-of-war that is going on

there. >> i also understand in chile divorce is a difficult thing to accomplish. so sometimes families will stay -- spouses will stay marry but still might have other relationships outside of the relationship that are known. but in some ways, it's, i think, a financial and a religious issue that comes up in terms of the openness of divorce and why some couples stay married. >> book is called the art of managing everyday conflict. a good read. i'm going to read it. thank you very much. appreciate it. also davitt mcateer, we appreciate your expertise as well. number 21 just came up. we're waiting for number 22 now. stay with continuing live coverage here on cnn of the chilean miners rescue. very emotional. and we expect more emotion throughout the day. we're back in a moment with not only that but just two weeks left until the midterm elections and we will be following that for you. developing news there as well. ? ♪ client comes in and they have a box.

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can you imagine not seeing your loved one for almost two months and not knowing in the beginning if they were dead or alive and probably hoping for the best and assuming the worst. look what it's culminated into. all of them so far alive and safe and appears to be in fairly good health. we're going to continue to follow this developing story. 21 of them now out and 12 more to go. we'll carry it live here on cnn. you won't miss a single one of them come out of that mine, trust me. let's move on and talk about the midterm elections here because there you see marijuana is on the ballot. in less than three weeks california voters could light the fuse for change in the way america deals with marijuana, pot, weed we call it. an initiative would legalize the sale of pot in limited amounts for anyone at least 21 years old. while its passage is by no means certain supporters say the state is poised for a, quote,

watershed moment. california could become the first state to legalize pot for recreational use. 14 years ago california approved the use for medical marijuana and if the initiative is approved it could be a better cash cow for the cash-strapped state. >> the medicinal side is 20%. if the adult usage is 80% of that, that's about $80 million. so there's potential for significant financial growing for the city and this community. >> i do think that we have the right pieces in place to allow us to be a barrier-breaking city. >> we're in the pole position. ahead of the pack. >> supporters add that banning marijuana has fueled the increasingly brutal drug trade. that's been debated. but opponents which include some law enforcement groups argue against making california a free-smoking state. they say it will lead to more fatalities when impaired drivers get behind the wheel. okay. so why don't we talk to kathleen

parker? because in her column last year for "the washington post" she wrote -- she's the co-host of cnn "parker/spitzer." she wrote in 1929 the women's organization for national prohibition reform led the movement to ends alcohol pro-hicks. might women lead the next in personal autonomy? keep those flutes and snifters and bongs, question mark, handy. kathleen parker joins me from new york. welcome to cnn. good to talk to you have finally on the air. >> thank you, don. nice to be here. >> what did you mean by that? >> so -- i think that was in response -- actually i was commenting on a group of mothers, women who had organized to push forward laws to at least decriminalize if not legalize marijuana. i think that was the tiein. but i've written about this several times through the years. i don't really have a dog in this fight. i don't smoke pot and don't really want to, don't expect to if it becomes legal and i don't

live in california. but i've been convinced by people in law enforcement and the judicial system that we can really allocate our resources in much more -- in much better ways than arresting people for simple possession of marijuana. in 2008, for example, in california, there were 60,000 arrests just for simple possession of marijuana and it seems to me a very huge waste of manpower, resources, et cetera, et cetera. there are so many argue ums you could make in favor of legalizing it that i really -- i can't come down on the other side. >> so, kathleen -- you're a conservative. you're a conservative. so what are you saying -- >> this is a conservative position. >> are you saying this should be state's rights, right? am i correct? >> well, it makes sense to me. why not let a state do this and then as an experiment and we'll see how it goes. we can always undo it. but california seems the right place to start. i'm not sure we'll be able to tell the difference. i'm just kidding.

but, look, some of the arguments against are if we legalize pot, then everybody will start smoking. it's a gateway drug and all that. one of the strongest arguments that poked holes in that argument was from william the leader of the conservative movement. he came out years ago advocating the legalization of marijuana. >> legalization or decriminalization. even in amsterdam and canada. to criminalize it. >> at the least, decriminalization. as far as the gateway drug, william f. buckley made a great comment. he said if you think marijuana leads to other drugs, that's all rapist starts from masterbation. let's look at the netherlands where marijuana use is permitted. you have -- we have twice as many young people in this country ages 12 and above using pot as in the netherlands.

so i don't think that argument holds water. >> alcohol is a gateway drug as well. this is the same argument used against legalized alcohol. you could, in the 20s, get a prescription for alcohol. it was prohibited. >> those people with adults and experience in recreational activities understand that alcoholism and alcohol abuse is far more dangerous to society than pot smokers. what are they going to do? as bill maher said, what are they going to do, eat cookie dough? the worst thing that can happen is they become boring. they don't -- >> sit to be couch and not do anything. >> exactly. never mind the income that you'll get from taxes, the jobs that will be provided. this is a good stimulus bill, i

think. >> you personally, you said you had no interest in it. you couldn't do it because you wouldn't be able to yell at the guy sitting next to you that wants to talk all the time. >> that would be another way to get it. >> kathleen -- >> one way of getting through the show. >> we've got to run. we've got to run. thank you, kathleen parker again. welcome to cnn. good to speak to you. watch her tonight. it will be on 7:30 to 8:00 p.m. eastern. this is one of the moments that touch people all over the world. this is why hundreds of people worked around the clock for more than 60 days to free 33 men. we'll bring you an update from chile in a minute. >> so, ah, your seat good?

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welcome back to the live coverage in chile. standing by. miner number 22 starting his decent. miner number 22, his name was samuel avalos. and he's the one that served as the gas monitor to send greetings. also this, the political ticker, an update on what's happening around the country politically. and what's coming up for the midterm elections in less than two weeks. right after this break.

going to update you politically right now. paul steinhauser and mark preston standing by at washington, d.c.

20 days to election day. time to look at campaign developments and everything that's going on there. there they are, standing by at the washington bureau. busy day. may get back to the miners soon. but what do you have for us? >> hey, bill clinton can be called a lot of things. but when the dust settles on the 2010 midterms, he's going to be known as the closer. he's going to be campaigning for the democrats all around the country in the last few months. he was doing it for the primaries. tonight, he's in arkansas helping out blanch lincoln. she's down double digits to the nominee boozman down there. she's the chairwoman of the agriculture committee which is amazing because she's in a powerful position to be helpful to her state. she's in trouble. paul, what do you got? i'm talking about the first lady, michelle obama, we have video of this. a couple of hours ago, she was in wisconsin campaigning with russ feingold. going to illinois. she's going to be, in fact, in seven or eight states in the

next week and a half helping out candidates. check this out, the national poll numbers. look at this. do you approve or disapprove of how michelle obama is handling her duty as first lady. 65% thumbs up. that's a lot higher than her husband's approval rate. we asked by party. democrats nine out of ten giving her thumbs up approval. independents, six out of ten independents approving of the job michelle obama is doing. that's the kind of person you want on the campaign trail helping you out. back to you. >> i'm you -- no, i'm not yue. but who i'm talking about is christine o'donnell. the tea party favorite, the republican nominee in delaware talking a lot about this debate here tonight. watch it on cnn stream it live on cnn politics.com. sit right here covering us, why? this is the seat that was held by vice president biden for 36 years. democrats were worried they were going to lose it.

they're happy that christine o'donnell is the republican nominee. polling shows that the democratic nominee, chris kuntz, has a double-digit lead. a lot can happen in the next 20 days. a lot could happen in the next several hours. tune in tonight, john? thank you, paul steinhauser. we appreciate it. another political update in 30 minutes. you can always get the latest political news in cnnpolitics.com. and on twitter at political ticker -- political ticker on twitter. i want to welcome the men and women watching us on american forces network from all around the world. now to the drama in chile. this is the story everyone is watching. the rescue of the 33 miners from more than 2,000 feet underground in chile. they're being pulled to the surface one at a time. and we are bringing you each rescue as it happens. we're waiting for rescue number 22 now. right now we're watching again as a 22nd miner will be hauled

up from this mine in just moments. standing by on the ground, carl penhaul. number 22. he monitored the gas in the mine. everyone did something to keep everyone else alive. >> we've seen different individuals come out of the hole today. we can tell you a story. we see someone come up like mario selvepovida. he's flashy. and the first man out of the hole, he was quiet and did the video work. and here, 22, the guy who checked the gases, he, in fact, is the elder brother of the

first man out of the hole. so imagine that, you know? you see your kid brother go out of that hole. know that he's well. and, yes, as you say, all of the miners have an individual job to do while you were there. mining in itself is a dangerous job. and for that reason, we're told there's a hierarchy, a command structure. and what the 33 miners had to do to stay alive down there for so long so deep was play as a team. and so, what the experts told me, samuel avalos had to get up in the morning, the morning shift started at 8:00 and ran through 4:00. but samuel avalos had to be up well before that so he could wander up a mile and a half of mine shaft testing for gases to make sure there were no chances of an explosion to compound what

was a dire situation. he was a father. younger brother was down there with him. saw him to safety. now his turn. number 22. samuel avalos coming back up to earth, don. >> waiting here because the last time -- i want to tell our viewers. the last one took about ten minutes. this one -- we're about nine minutes since it went back down. and at least since it started its dissent, i should say. samuel avalos, the one who monitored the gas for the group, taking readings to send it back up to the surface. the person who came up before him was johnny barrios. however you want to pronounce it. he became the medic. and the last one is luis rizua. he kept all of them together and holding on the the rations for as long as they could before food and other supplies could come down. so everyone has a place here. it will be very emotional for him as well when it comes up.

do we know who's standing by waiting for him, carl? >> no, we know he has children as well. so i imagine that his wife and two of his children will be on standby to see him. he had not worked that long in the mine. he'd beenhere for about five month ms. but i guess it was his brother that said, hey, this job's going here. and it's a steady wage. and for that reason, he left his job as a street vender to take up what could have been a fatal job. luckily as i say that we've been saying they all played as a team there, don. and it's very -- we see the folks that are standing by waiting for him to come up, number 22. not just a number, his name is samuel avalos, again, the person who keeps an eye on everything to make sure they weren't going to be overcome by noxious gas. you can see the president,

sebastian pineiera is there as well. and i would imagine the mining minister on the scene. there he is, number 22 coming up now. applause. as it's happened 21 times before. it takes a little bit for them to release him, unbuckle him, and open up that capsule. then you can see the people standing by waiting for him as always. they're anticipating this, they can't wait. the emotion is palpable. so we're listening to the rescue of 43-year-old samuel avenue loels. >> lives here in the region.

>> translator: you deserve it al all. thank you, samuel, for what you have done. you've been very inspiring. and welcome back again to the surface, to life! welcome, welcome.

>> miner number 22, samuel avalos acuna. known as samuel avalos. 43 years old. he had 33 written on his helmet that 33 miners, i'm sure, owe to them there. he was the gas monitor for the group taking the readings and sending them to the surface. that was his role. he's back to safety with his family. carl penhaul is standing by there. carl, that was -- we've been watching this unfold. i'm going to be honest. a very long and loving kiss with his wife and we've been seeing that unfold time after time.

and some of the people there we can see applauding and making light of it and fun of it going, woohoo. here's what a doctor -- i read in a report -- this is a serious report. it says, doctors aside, many of the men will be nursed back to health in the best way possible -- sexy times with the women waiting for them at the surface. that's the truth, carl penhaul. >> what strikes me about all of the scenes unfolding is you look at it now, we're down to miner 22. and it looks like that rescue operation is running on rails. the phoenix 2 capsule is performing very well. it almost looks routine by now. but as much as it seems routine, that phoenix capsule running the surface. it fails to fascinate me every

time that each miner steps out of that capsule, everyone has the story to tell. everyone is subject to different emotions. they have different experiences as they come back. that is why we're at 17 hours and nine minutes since this rescue mission began. i can't take my eyes off of it because i want to know how each miner reacts, how each reacts when they're united. the phoenix capsule rises to the surface, seems a very smooth ride, but it's the bit at the top that i really love. seeing these people reunited. that's what we've been waiting for. it doesn't matter whose family samuel avalos belongs to. because the 33 families camped out here at camp hope have over

two and more months become a single family. son 22 of one single family is back to the surface, john. >> very well put, carl penhaul. there are 11 more men down in the mine. orlando unanimous men. plus the rescuers down there. we're going to talk about people heading up that operation coming up shortly here. we're going to talk about the man who could be credited with saving all of their lives. and that's their shift supervisor. the name is luis urzua. 54. he's the one that put them all together, brought them to safety, made them ration out food and everything that they had until the last drop, until they could get food and rations and medication all down in that cavern. and then we're going to talk to a man who knows all about that. he's a psychologist that can

take us through a little bit more of what's happening with these men mentally. that's all coming up. and while we wait for this next rescue, there are 11 more, some of the days' other big stories going on. and here is one. did some of the country's biggest banks commit foreclosure fraud? fraud? did they kick out homeowners who didn't deserve it. you might be one that's watching right now. that's what dozens of state prosecutors want to find out. that is ahead. and did you hear about this? a high-profile figure in washington just resigned. who is it? stay there. it's next.

monitoring the rescue efforts in chile. live in motions for the 22nd miner to come up. 23rd miner to come up. here's what's happening right now. take it to you quickly and again back to chile. the suspect in the shootings faced the surviving victims in a courtroom. in a courtroom today. one survivor, an army medic gave a chilling account of being shot and crawling to safety. in testimony, the witnesses started banging rapidly on the desk to illustrate how fast to be fired. major nadal hassan determining whether he will be court-martialed for the killings of 33 people in a shooting spree last november. as of today, all 50 states, all 50 states have now joined the investigation to possible foreclosure fraud. demand for such an investigation has been growing since it was discovered some mortgage lenders may have used flawed court

papers in their foreclosures. the investigation could halt all foreclosure proceedings. a gruesome development in the disappearance of a man on the falcon lake mexican-american border to tell you about. the lead investigator has been beheaded and the severed head was delivered to the military in a suit case. >> the reason why we're killing people is luring away the investigation. they're going to take control of the area. that's all there is to it. if anybody tries to take control of them, they're going to be disposed of. >> the body of american david hartley has not yet been found. the wife says he was fatally shot september 30 during a sight-seeing trip. we're tracking hurricane paula. and as it heads toward cuba. right now, paula is a category 2 hurricane packing 100 mile-per-hour winds. it's expected to hit cuba

tonight or early tomorrow. tropical storm watch has been issued for parts of the florida keys. the weather center is watching that closely. the embattled head of the district of columbia schools quitting. michelle re announced today she's stepping down. >> i will leave my post. >> today chairman gray and i have reached the mutual decision that i will leave my post as chancellor of the washington, d.c. public school system. >> rhea was in charge of the troubled school district for 3 1/2 years. engaged to sacramento mayor and nba player, kevin johnson. she was feature in the movie "waiting for superman" about the school system. there are live pictures in chile. we're monitoring the situation one-by-one. the miners are coming to the surface. it's been very emotional. it's been very dramatic. you have seen the tears, you've heard the crying.

and you heard the applause and the cheering as well. we'll take you there. and who's leading this band of brothers. and we're also going to look at 2 sunglasses that they have been given. i'm going to show them to you. got some from the maker of those glasses. what you see on the screen, that's christine o'donnell versus chris kuntz. this is all unfolding, the debate. the two senate candidates square off live on cnn. preview for you next. wolf will join us. he's moderating it.

watching live coverage of the rescue of the miners in chile. we're monitoring the rescue efforts right now. if you look down into the mine

where the men spent 69 days, you can see 23 coming up. more than just a number, carlos bugueno. served as a carrier pigeon. a handler. he served with pedro cortez will be the next. he was an acoustics expert. carlos bugueno. the last one took about 10 1/2 minutes. could be watching that. could be faster. in the meantime, as we watch the live picture there is in that developing story, you're not going to miss any of it. we're going to go to politics that are also developing. 20 days from today, americans will cast their votes in the midterm elections. the control of congress may be at stake here, one of the most-watched contests, of course, is the delaware senate race. the united states will carry the delaware senate debate between the republican candidate christine o'donnell and her

opponent -- do we know? he's a democrat. you see his name there, chris coons. that's her opponent. joining me is gloria borger and david gergen who's also a senior political an mists. guys, let me show you a couple of monmoth university polls. coons leading o'donnell by 15 pockets. coons leading o'donnell 57% to 38% among likely voters. what's dragging down o'donnell in these polls? is it her qualifications or the fact that likely voters do not feel that she's qualified. because the same poll shows that while 64% of likely voters believe that coons is qualified to be senior, only 35% say o'donnell is it qualified. so, gloria, tonight could be a really crucial step for o'donnell to show that she is qualified to be senator. can she -- can she bridge the

gap here. >> well, you know, she's got a long way to go. we have a poll of ours that's going to come out in an hour or so. and, look, this is a candidate. i think you have to say that she had a kind of unorthodox introduction to the voters of delaware. she's done her ads saying i'm not a witch. in this ad with wolf blitzer, she has got to prove that she's confident, rational, thoughtful, and qualified to become a united states senator. so, i think it's a pretty heavy lift for her. but if she can prove that on the issues she has something to say people might listen. you never know. >> david, you and i had talked about this before about as gloria said the unorthodox way that she's introduced to the voters -- i'm not a witch -- and all the things from bill maher. this may be providing her with a lift. the polling may not be not show

how she's coming back here. she's way behind, probably impossibly behind. we'll be following what she has to say tonight. there is a fascination that works to her favor. if she comes out, maybe she could get a boost out of this, who knowles. a window in to the way the tea party candidates think. it's not just her, it will be a broad group of people. we've heard the personal foibles but not her main arguments. so that, in itself, is an interesting debate. >> there is some polling out there that suggests that the man o'donnell beat in the primary, his name is mike castle, he would be leading against chris

coons. who backed her and why? why did they put her in the position and not kalsle? >> the tea party movement stronlg in delaware and a lot of people who are anti-establishment really gave her the lift. not many people voted in the republican primary and delaware. mike castle worked on the burden of working too closely on the side, voting for cap and trade and t.a.r.p. voting for the obama initiatives that hurt him. the other thing going on now, is mike castle telling john king he's not endorsing -- he's not going to endorse her. that's not helpful. from republicans unite. it's not going out to her. it puts a heavy nail in her campaign. >> go ahead, respond to that.

>> it's a signal to the independent voters. there are a number of independent voters in the state. republicans think that o'donnell isn't qualified to be a senator. the fact that castle -- there wasn't a point to write in candidacy. the fact she's not going to endorse her is a real signal to the independent voters on what he thinks and that's a real problem for her. it's a new castle county executive. it's the accidental candidate here. he's not considered really a professional politician the way mike castle was. so i think in a way it works to his advantage this year. >> do you think it makes a difference for coons that they're endorsing him. >> i think it won't. >> i don't think it will hurt.

>> it will hurt, but i don't think it will be that much difference. everybody knows joe biden is a sports fan -- what's the news. >> that's why we have you here. >> democrat, democrat. >> support from the white house might make some difference or could not make a difference. thank you, david gergen, gloria borger. be watching you tonight and our own wolf blitzer will be moderating that debate. it starts at 7:30 p.m. here on cnn. it will be interesting. live pictures from chile for ten week there is, 33 miners sat underground wondering if everybody thought they were dead. what happen in the next two weeks is an amazing story. somebody took the lead there. somebody is the reason why all of the guys are alive. his story. next. i know the best card you're holding.

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live in chile. i think numb per 23 is going to come up. his name is carlos bugueno. he's a carrier pigeon handler. number 31, pedro cortez, he's the acoustics expert. friends, family members have been going through this together. what an incredible story all day here on cnn. one-by-one, hour-by-hour, they've emerged. you can see in the faces of

those rescued, the faces waiting down below. hold on to that thought quickly. i want to get back to that. let's show that tweet from the president. do we have it up? here's the tweet from the president. here's what the president of chile has been tweeting there in spanish. they wanted to thank everyone for their support in all of this. let me get the translation. he is saying thank you very much also to all who have sent me messages and encouraging words. this day has been special. the president of chile. hold on to the thoughts about the other person coming up. we will get to him. but in many ways, the best way to save all of these men was one

thing. he is credited for keeping the 33 men alive. he's named luis urzua. he's one of the best bosses ever. he teaches at stanford. he's written a book called good boss bad boss. what puts him, mr. sutton, on the good boss list. >> well, if you start out, luis is just the model of somebody who combines confidence in his work -- he was the foreman before, he's been in the industry for a long time. and compassion for the people he leads. and the part you indicated which i think was most impressive was the first 14 days they have no idea what was going on. >> no idea what's going on. we're watching now. we believe 23 is coming up.

until he surfaces, finish your thought and we'll get back to it. go ahead. >> for me, they were so low on food, a man was getting a teaspoon of tuna fish but he brought in the predictability and had authority so people didn't go after one another. >> here he goes. stand by, bob sutton. appreciate it. we're going to get back to you. >> the applause and cheer that happens with all of them. let's listen to the rescue of carlos bugueno.

you can see the president of chile just a short time ago. takes a while he's unstrapped. there it goes.

>> translator: welcome, carlos. you don't know how your mother was waiting for you. congratulations, and welcome. back to life. >> how are you. congratulations. welcome. rene, a key rescue worker. delores. thank you so much.

welcome. as we watch this, no doubt the men will be crediting luis urdua for this moment. >> absolutely. no way they would have gotten through the first 14 days without him. one of the things he did i like is to give them a rhythm for the day, they have trucks down there. they would turn on the light s 2 hours to give them predictability and rhythm. another hallmark of great bosses is that he found people to sort of build the team to help him. so there was one fellow that led

the spiritual stuff. prayer is important for giving hope. there was training and medical stuff so he helped with the miners' health. that's a hallmark of great leaders. they have the sense to not do everything themselves. they put the right players in the right positions. >> another bob sutton. he came up during the time. it was perfect that you came on so you can explain the emotion and gratitude these guys will be giving for a lifetime to their boss and leader. you can see all of the miners are coming up are wearing sunglasses, even the ones at night because they have been down in the dark for so long -- for 69 days. these are -- we've gotten them from the manufacturers. these are oakley sunglasses if we can get them right here. here we go, the oakley sunglasses here will set you back for $180. they say it completely blocks

the uva, uvc, all of that. their eyes are sensitive by now for being down there for so long. but some of the best sun glasses in the world, set you back $180. all of the miners being trapped down there getting these by oakley. thank you for that and thank you for providing them to the miners who so desperately need them to make sure their eyes are protected. a big day when it comes to the rescue here. it's a huge day in politics that we're following. who is standing by right now? his name is mr. john king with brand new information from the world of politics. the "cnn political ticker" next. don't go anywhere.

time for a look at the latest development including news on the delaware senate debate that you will see live tonight on cnn. it will be a good one. cnn has all of the greatest political news with the best political team on television. there he is, john king at the cnn political desk. good to see you. what's crossing right now? >> it's wolf blitzer here in this hour giving the ticker update. he's not playing hooky. he's up in delaware where he'll be the co-moderator in the debate tonight between the republican christine o'donnell and chris coons. that senate race has gotten a lot of national attention. we have brand new poll numbers that shows the challenge

christine o'donnell faces. 57% to 38%. so almost a 20-point lead there for chris coons going in. and christine o'donnell ad where she says, i'm you, to the people of delaware. they don't see it that way. who understands the needs and problems of people like you? chris coons, the democrat winning 54% to 34%. those poll numbers shows what she fays tonight. my first job was to cover the bill clinton white house. one of the defining stories was the war against the former yugoslavia that ended up creating the independent kosovo. hillary clinton went to kosovo and can show us a picture of the statue they built there to former president clinton. a great shot. the photo of secretary of state clinton. you want to get a closer look at that. go to cnn.com/johnking -- usa. isn't that a fascinating photo there. >> cute picture. >> that was one of the defining

stories in those days. you came to cnn to cover the clinton white house. a mere child, a prodigy. that's why you're so young now. there is some polling that suggests -- i talked to gloria borger and david gergen. suggests that o'donnell, she be in the primary, mike chasm would be leading in the general election. what is going on here. he won't endorse. he has a lot more to say. what is at stake. what does it say? mike castle won 12 times statewide. he's won the white house seat delaware has. he's pop yue lair statewide. but this is a republican primary. and the tea party had new force in delaware, southern delaware, the rural areas. they're mad at all incumbents. they're mad -- look at mike

castle in delaware, bob bennett, lisa murkowski and republican senator of alaska beat all by tea party forces who decided that their republicans weren't conservative enough. supported too much spending. there's an anger on the left. there's an anger on the right. there's a lot of frustration. yes, mike castle would have been the overwhelming favorite in november. but he lost the primary because he lost the faith of the tea party grassroots republicans. >> whatever it is. it's made for interesting stories and interesting reporting and interesting television. john king, we appreciate it. another political update next hour. get the latest political news at cnnpolitics.com and on twitter at political ticker. standing by, look at that live. happy moments and the continue to bring you happy moments. but listen, we want to tell you, you can't exhale yet because everyone is not out of the woods. they have a couple more men to go. we're keeping our fingers crossed that everything will work out. but, still, the drama is unfolding. they're not out of danger yet. we're following it all live. more for their money.

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all brought up to safety. all appearing to be in good health. waiting on number 24. you see jose enriquez. you can see him. that's where they were trapped for 69 days. what an emotional experience it is when they get out of the capsule at the surface and the family members and friends greet them and the rest of them waiting at the surface as well. not going to miss a moment of that. also here on cnn, more on the big debate tonight. the delaware senate debate. wolf blitzler be co-moderating that debate and he'll do a curtain raising for us to tell us what to expect.

following the breaking news as you can see it there. we're waiting on -- look at the folk there is on the scene. so excited about all of the miners coming up. 24, jose enriquez to come up. we saw 23 come up a short time ago. and with each man who is rescued from that mine, it's emotional. i want to go now to someone who knows everything about politics. someone i respect and you do too. newark, delaware. in the delaware valley. being a former resident of the delaware valley.

i haven't been this excited about a debate since the presidential debate in 2008. >> republican candidate, democratic candidates. christine o'donnell generated a lot of publicity and a lot of buzz. chris coons, the democratic candidate. the viewers, the voters in the state in the state of delaware will have a better opportunity to appreciate who the two individuals are and who they're not. we're going to get through some of the most important substantive issues in the day. domestic issues, national security issues. it will be more interesting than not. >> it's an interesting thing to people who get our viewers and more importantly than the people

living through in the delaware valley. they will be introduced to chris coons. right now christine o'donnell has overshadowed him, wolf. do you think this is going to come up in the debate. are you going to talk about the witch thing or is that part of it? >> it will come up in the course of the debate. we don't know how he'll response to that issue. we know that commercial that she did, i am not a witch. i am you. so we know where she's coming from. it will be very interesting. how will chris coons deal with this issue. she's going to come back and rail against him for raising taxes as a county executive among other things. this will get heated.

>> they're both, am i right, correct me if i'm wrong, they're both newcomers to the political process. say you ear doing hillary clinton and joe biden. they are pros and they've been doing it for years. is there a different way to handle that. >> most of our viewers don't know much about the candidates. a little bit. they know more about christine o'donnell than they do chris coons. so to a certain degree, you'll be introducing yourselves to the american public maybe to a lesser degree the people of delaware have had a chance to watch them both a little more closely. so, yes, we have gone through the questioning. the way we did the debate at the kodak theater when i did for the hillary clinton and barack obama. everybody knew who hillary

clinton was and the barack obama was. we're introducing the candidates more along those lines. >> we'll be watching. 7:30 tonight. i haven't been this excited since the presidential election about this debate. newark, delaware not to be confused with newark, new jersey. two different pronunciations there. thank you, wolf. you can see there live pictures coming from chile. miner number 24. his name is carlos -- excuse me, his name is jose enriquez. he's coming up. there he is. we'll tell you more after the break and tell you about his rescue here live as well. and news out today about ft. hood, texas. the shooting there. we'll take you live there next.

as we watch the situation in chile, we want to talk about other stories that gave people chills. the evidentiary hearing for the accused ft. hood shooting today. they had to stop a 911 tape for the shooting that left 13 people dead because one witness could not stop crying. our chris lawrence was in the courtroom and he joins us live from ft. hood, texas. very emotional day. and quite unusual. >> that's right, don. it gives you an idea that we in the media move on in other storie

stories. she was on the stand when they started to replay her 911 call. she ducked down under the desk as the shooting was going on. just a civilian that was working there. you could hear through the whole tape the moans of the injured soldiers. you could hear the people screaming in the background. every few seconds, you could hear a steady pop, pop, pop, pop just as the witnesses described it. listening to the tape, her own voice so distraught. >> i hate to interrupt you, sir. we need to get to chile where miner number 24 where jose henriqu henriquez, miner 24 is coming up. it's always emotional and then my friend in newark, delaware, wolf blitzer, will pick it up in a few minutes. miner number 24.