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>> you could arrest me. >> larry: the legendary willie nelson and i team up for the hour. next on "larry king live." what a treat we have in store for you tonight. we welcome back willie nelson on the road again tonight, and his newest album, "country music" will be released next tuesday. always good to see him. last time you did this show you were on the phone from your tour bus. are you touring again now? >> we play anaheim tomorrow night. we were just in vegas for bmi convention down there and a broadcast church convention.

>> how big is the tour? >> i don't know, i'm just starting. it's one long tour. >> larry: they don't tell you beyond the next night? >> i don't want to know. >> because we've got some seats in your bus. do you like to fly? >> i love it when i can just stay on the bus. i don't even use hotels. i stay on the bus all the time. >> larry: why? >> i have everything i need there. i've got a shower, i've got food, i've got a couple people in there that wait on me hand and food, so i get better service there than i get in the hotel, so why go in there? >> larry: are there times you have to fly? >> yes. i don't like to fly. i don't like the hassles. i don't like the luggage and all that stuff. >> larry: do they hassle you? >> no more than they hassle anybody else. it's just a hassle to get up and go there, get your luggage checked in by that time, by the

time you go through all the securities and everything, it's a hassle. >> larry: you've been doing music for how many years? how many years singing professionally? >> i got my first professional job i think when i was 12 years old. >> larry: and you're how old now? >> i'm 77. will be april 30th. >> larry: that's 65 years. >> yeah. >> larry: does it ever get tiring? >> well, sure, the actual physical work gets tiring, but i don't ever get tired of playing the music, and i don't get tired of the fans. that's sort of the reason i get out there, i guess, to see the fans. >> larry: sinatra told me once, it's still a kick. >> yes, still a kick. >> larry: to go on that stage. >> i knew him. he was a good guy. >> larry: if he liked you. your new cd is called "country music" which seems funny to me.

give me your definition of country music. >> this album made up of fiddles, steels, "house of gold," "satisfied mind," this is the stardust of country music. these songs in their time were just as famous and just as good and -- like stardust and moonlight. >> we all know man with the blues, got to walk alone, pistol packing mama, we all know that. drinking champagne and house of gold, all favorite songs, and i am a pilgrim, an ocean of diamonds. >> it's an old merl travis song. there's a lot of great music in

there. >> larry: you sing everything. you have great albums of pop songs. the other night, the other day, hall david told me that you are the best singer living. >> i can't help it. >> larry: so you sell a song, and when you hear willie nelson, you know it's willie nelson. is it as fun to sing pop as country? >> sure. it's more of a challenge to do those pop classics and standards because i grew up singing "your cheating heart" and it's second nature to me. but to do stardust, and songs like that, you really have to be on your game a little bit. >> larry: yeah, but you still give it that same -- no one sings it like willie. >> it still sounds country. >> larry: because you're country. >> i am. >> larry: where do you live if you live on the bus. >> mostly the bus by i also have

a home in texas, an apartment in l.a. and a home in maui. >> larry: you're almost always working? >> most of the time which is okay. >> larry: we're talking about a willie nelson tour, it's redundant. >> i'm through with this one and starting another one. i'll be in europe in june, going to england, paris. >> larry: what do you think of the current state of country music? >> well, personally i think it's good. i know my shows, i have a lot of people there who are great country music fans and i do hank williams and i do my stuff. so i don't really look at country music as the way it is today. i look at country music like the way it's always been. >> larry: so country music doesn't have its bebop, its newcomers or teen bop. country is country. >> that's right. >> larry: and there's pure

country singers, right? >> george jones is a great example. vern gosdin, fantastic writer and singer, and some of those guys are just unbeatable. >> larry: willie nelson, he's got something to say about sarah palin, the tea party movement, his offer to president obama, we're covering everything tonight. stay with us. ♪ don't let your babies grow up to be cowboys ♪ >> how's it looking, good-looking? ♪

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♪ whiskey river don't run dry i got all i got to take care of me ♪ >> larry: back with the legendary willie nelson. his new album, "country music" will be out everywhere on tuesday, and his latest tour started in vegas. you're hear from willie everywhere. we never hear you on country radio stations. have you been marginalized. a lot of times we'll hear you on the pop stations, but country stations aren't playing you as much. if so, why? >> well, honestly, i never have really received that much air play on commercial, am, xm, radio. >> larry: why? >> i never really did fit the format, i don't think.

whatever was popular today, that wasn't what i was doing. i was into something else, so it never really seemed to hurt my career any at all, because if this station didn't play me, that one over there did. i always had air play, but not necessarily from the mainstream country music, because that has changed so much that my music didn't really fit the format. >> larry: are you a singer who plays the guitar, or a guitar player who sings? >> i'm a guitar player who writes songs and sings. >> larry: guitars first? >> guitar. >> larry: is that what you did at 12? where did you learn guitar? >> my grandmother was a music teacher, and my grandfather taught me a few chords before he died. i was 6 years old when he died. but then my grandmother taught my sister and i a lot about music. she learned to read and i would sit on the piano while she was reading and i would play the

guitar and learn the chords. so i learned a lot just listening to her. >> larry: when did you learn to sing? >> i was writing poems before i would write melodies, about things i couldn't have possibly known anything about, love and no love and at 5 years old, what do you know about this stuff. >> larry: did your voice sound like that then? like it sounds now? what did you sound like at 12? >> i had a high voice and i went through the same problem that every guy goes through when his voice changes. i was playing clubs, and my voice changed, so i went from a high singer to a low and then back and forth and it would break for about two years. >> larry: you've collaborated with many different artists, try your hand with many musical genres. does the country music establishment, if there such a thing, get angry when you perform with curt neelson, and others.

does country music say is willie leaving us? >> i don't think any of them get angry. the ones that get angry, that makes it all worthwhile. but i don't think there's any of them out there that really think i don't know what i'm doing, >> larry: you're beyond that. do you still play nashville? >> sure. absolutely. enjoy playing nashville, and the band that we're -- we used on this new record, these are all nashville pickers and we played in nashville at the ryman with all these songs and this band a few weeks ago. >> larry: the nashville sound, they always talk about the nashville sound. >> this is the cream of the crop. ronny mccry, his family, a great group of bluegrass pickers, chris sharpe and dennis crouch, upright bass player, these are the real pickers.

it's comfortable to know you can look at anybody in the room and nod at them and know they'll take a great course. >> larry: anybody you haven't worked with you want to work with? >> let's sing one. you and i do one? >> larry: you want to do one? "blue skies?" >> yeah. we can do "blue skies." >> larry: want me to start? ♪ blue skies smiling at me nothing but blue skies do i see ♪ ♪ blue bird singing a song, nothing but blue birds from now on ♪ ♪ never saw the sun shining so bright ♪ ♪ never saw things going so right ♪ ♪ working in the day, worry at night when you're in love my how it flies ♪ ♪ blue skies blue days all of

them gone nothing but blue skies from now on ♪ >> larry: as we go to break, here is a look at willie on the road again in concert. >> well, hello there. ♪ whiskey river take my mind don't let her memory torture me ♪ ♪ whiskey river don't run dry you're all i got to take care of me ♪ ♪ whiskey river take my mind >> i've seen him several times, but i can't catch him alone. >> you're going to get to see willie? yeah! >> he's continuously on tour from now through october of this year. i can't imagine that. it's just phenomenal. the guy is just great. >> we thought it was especially

fitting it is april 15th, tax day, and we thought as we dropped our 1040s in the mail today we'd high tail it over here. here we are. >> he does his music for his fans, for himself, and doesn't do it for what anybody else thinks. >> that's my son lucas, been working out here for you all earlier. ♪ drowning out a whiskey river praying my memory of the wetness of a soul ♪ ♪ out flowing from my mind that warm and empty heart you left so cold ♪ ♪ whiskey river take my mind don't let her memory torture me ♪ ♪ whiskey river don't run dry you're all i got take care of me ♪ ♪ whiskey river, take my mind don't let her memory torture me

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♪ on the road again just can't wait to get on the road again ♪ ♪ the life i love is making music with my friends ♪ >> larry: is on the road again the most famous song? >> maybe so. i mean, "on the road again," "crazy" or "night life." "funny how time slips away." >> larry: "crazy" ain't bad either. he loves that song, ross perot's theme. "on the road again," it's been on commercials. did that come to you? what is the story of the writing of that song? >> i was on a plane with sidney

pollack and jerry satsberg, and we were talking about doing the movie "honeysuckle rose." we were talking about a song. they said can you come up with a song for the movie? and i said you mean something about being on the road again, on the road again, just can't wait to get on the road again? yeah, but where is the melody? i said i'll find one. i went to the studio, pretty much with just that in my mind and it was an easy song to write. >> larry: once you hear it, it never gets out of your head. one of those songs. as president of farm aid, you wrote to barack obama, offering to help put a new u.s. food and farm policy. any word back? >> i did talk to the secretary of agriculture and i got encouraging reports from him and i'm looking forward to talking to him again and seeing what we can do. >> larry: what is your basic idea? >> to get the farmer more money for what he does.

get the dairy farmers more money for what they do. they are in bad condition right now. they are not getting enough money, and the dairy cows are -- are not worth what they should be worth and this is really bad for not only the farmers, bad for america. it's bad for all of us. >> larry: how did you get involved and interest in the farming thing? >> i was doing some shows in the illinois state fair, and i was on the bus, talking to big jim thompson, the governor of illinois. and he and i were sitting there, and it was kind of like an annual ritual, i'd come in and do the fair, he'd come on the bus, we'd have a bowl of chili, drink a beer and talk about things. and this particular year, we started talking about the farmers. i heard from my friends in texas about how the farmers weren't doing that good. and i grew up on a farm, and i knew they didn't ever really do great, i heard it was worse than usual. they weren't getting any money and they were going out of business at an alarming rate.

i checked it out and sure enough, at one time we had over 8 million small family farmers and now we're down to less than 2 million. and that's not right. the big corporate farmers are taking over. that's not good for the food, not good for the land, not good for you and me. >> larry: how do you react -- what do you think about obama? >> i think he's a good man. i like him. i know his intentions are good. he probably thought he could do a lot more once he got in there than he's been able to do. i think most of us realized he would have some opposition. >> larry: did you do any concerts for him? >> no. >> larry: but you would link your name to him? >> yeah. >> larry: what do you make of the tea party movement? >> oh, i don't know. >> larry: oh, go ahead, willie. what do you think? >> i don't know. i'm not sure what they are for or what they're against. >> larry: maybe we can nail it down. >> maybe so. >> larry: they don't like big government. don't like taxes i guess.

>> so far, that's two out of three. >> larry: what do you think of sarah palin? >> i think she's a likeable person. you know, personally, i like her a lot. >> larry: politically, not in tuned? >> politically, i don't know. i just don't know. >> larry: ever play alaska? >> yes, i have. >> larry: ever play when she was governor? >> i don't know that i did. we played fairbanks and, you know, ketchikan. went up there in '61. i know she wasn't governor then. went up, me and ray price, and played in ketchikan. >> larry: any state you haven't played? >> nope. >> larry: toured europe, asia. >> we toured asia, went to singapore. >> larry: how did that come about, the highwaymen? >> we had done a christmas show

in switzerland with john and june and we were having a -- a photograph session with all of us there, and we were talking about going to switzerland, and the photographer happened to ask waylon, what are you going to switzerland for to do a christmas show? and waylon says, because that's where jesus was born. and the guy says, oh, okay. >> larry: lots of you asking about willie's use of pot, which he has always owned up to. we'll ask about that and more. >> i feel it. that's what i'm doing. i feel it. man, you're cool as [ bleep ], mister. i hate to do it. i have to charge you. that's 60 bucks. >> 60 bucks? >> yeah. >> man, i remember when a dime bag cost a dime, you know what i mean?

♪ >> larry: back with the great willie nelson. don't forget "country music" cd is available as of this tuesday. terrific major country songs, 15 of them, recorded by the master himself, willie nelson. and the "on the road again tour" is in progress. definitely he'll be in a city near you. singer/songwriter john mellencamp has worked with you on farm aid. what do you think about him running for u.s. senate? trying that up in indiana. >> he's a great american, and i know he probably will do a great job. >> larry: think he's got a shot? >> yeah, i think so. he's well liked, well known. >> larry: how good a singer is he? >> i like his singing. rock and roll all the way. i like to -- >> larry: you mentioned johnny cash, who appeared in that seat quite a few times. where do you rank him?

did you see the movie? >> yes, i did. fantastic. >> larry: that guy was unbelievable. >> he did a great job, yeah. john and i were brothers. he used to call me a whole lot, because i'm always telling him dirty jokes, so whatever -- whenever he needed a laugh or pumping up or something, he'd always call me to get a new joke. >> larry: what was he like to sing with? if ever there were two distinct voices in american popular music, country or otherwise, it would be yours and johnny cash. you could not hear either one and say who is that? what was it like to sing with him? >> it was great. every night -- him and waylon and chris, i was their biggest fans, and i got to stand there every night and watch three of my heroes sing, and me standing over on the other side of the stage and joining in every now and then. but, no, i loved john's singing. and waylon and chris. >> larry: when the highwaymen

worked, how did you choose how many minutes each guy would do and what percentage did you sing all together? >> chris was here, john was here, waylon was here, and i was here. and we had our songs, you know, that we had chosen to do, and would record it, and chris would do one. john would do one. maybe we'd do one together. waylon would do one. i would do one. we'd do one together. >> larry: you would all sing together? >> oh, yeah. >> larry: did you have a big backup group? >> we did. we had one of the best groups out of nashville, reggie young. >> larry: never been a fan of government. a skeptic. >> yeah. very skeptical. >> larry: you don't trust. but you seem like a regular guy. but you -- most people look at willie nelson and say skeptical? but you are of government, aren't you. >> yeah, you know, think whenever you turn over your money and life to somebody, you should know a lot about them.

>> larry: and you turned over a lot of money. didn't you once protest taxes? >> not really, no. i was always glad to pay taxes. i always said let me make the money, i'll be glad to pay the taxes. >> larry: if you complain about paying a big tax bill, that's a great thing. you're doing well. >> a nice problem to have. >> larry: one of our kings things followers, we have twitter. do you twitter? >> no. conway twitter? >> larry: conway twitter, about the same thing. one of our kings things followers wants to know, this may seem funny, but i'll ask it, is willie a conservative? >> well, i don't know. i might be in some areas. >> larry: really? i would always think of you as a liberal. >> i would like to consider myself as a liberal, but i am totally certain areas where i'm pretty conservative. >> larry: financial end? >> financially, i have no knowledge. >> larry: no? you want to do more for farmers.

>> i believe if you make it, throw it away. >> larry: you don't care about keeping it? >> no. >> larry: willie nelson. by the way, are you still an outlaw? is being an outlaw different now than being an outlaw back in the day with waylon jennings and the guys? >> it is still fun. >> larry: you were outlaws, renegades. >> we were determined to play our music mainly the way we wanted to play our music. and that's really where the term outlaw, i think, came into it. there were certain people that didn't really want waylon to take his band in the studio, because they hadn't -- you know -- go in with a small budget, nobody gets to cut up a lot of money. go in with a million dollar budget, everybody makes a little, but the music may not be that great. >> larry: you always felt like

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♪ don't fight, don't spite just wait 'til tomorrow maybe you'll be all right again ♪ >> larry: back with the great willie nelson. album "country music" will be out on tuesday. having a great time tonight with one of the truly great american artists. who is an avid golfer. can you smoke pot and golf? >> sure. >> larry: okay. >> i can't play any worse than i normally do anyway. >> larry: are you a good player? >> no. >> larry: why do you like golf so much? >> oh, i don't know. it is just a place to get out and walk around outside. that's originally the reason i started doing it.

i moved down to los valley, and bandera. they had a golf course there. just me and my band, and my house had burned, so we moved down there, and rented five houses on the golf course. so it was just the thing to do every day. we'd go play golf. >> larry: you know a great definition of golf? a great walk spoiled. what do you make about the tiger woods story? >> oh, no. i'm not the guy to comment on any other person's marital problems, because i've had enough of my own, and i know it's real personal, and i wish him well. >> larry: what do you make of the fuss made over it, though? >> i thought it was ridiculous, to put that much time, following a guy around and see who he slept with the last few years, because it's really no one's business. >> larry: you think the only business was his wife's? >> him and his wife. >> larry: what are your feelings, willie, about the irs these days? you had a problem with the

government back in the '90s. you released a mail order called "who will buy my memories, the irs tapes." won't forget that. how do you stand now? >> oh, i'm fine. i think i'm pretty well paid up. >> larry: was that tough going? how did you come to owe that much? >> well, i had invested in some tax shelters many, many years ago, the cattle feeding things and all those different things at some point the irs disallowed. but after advising me -- my financial advisers told me to go into all of this, and the irs disallowed it. i was deferring taxes every year and putting the money into cattle feeding deal and then when they disallowed it, all those years went by i started paying taxes. i only owed $2 million. if i paid that, i never would have had a problem. >> larry: how do they tell you you owe $16 million?

do you get a call, a letter? >> i knew it was accruing rapidly over the years. >> larry: interest. >> penalty and interest every day went up $5,000 or $10,000. it got up to $32 million, they chopped in half, we negotiated on that. my bass player, somebody asked him if he thought i was in trouble. and he said, well, you know, they let a guitar player get into it that far, if he -- if he owed them $100,000, then he is probably in trouble. but $32 million, they're in trouble. >> larry: that's true. in fact, who's got to worry? they do. willie generated a lot of controversy with comments about 9/11. life was protected... ♪ seems you've always been right there ♪ this life was saved... ♪ soothing sadness ♪ healing pain and this life was made easier... ♪ making smiles appear again

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rain ♪ >> larry: a great benefit for 9/11 victims and their families, he sang "america the beautiful." i don't think anyone ever sang it better. but he's questioned the official story. what -- what prompted you to look into this from another angle? >> well, i'm just -- logic. i've seen buildings implode before. just saw the texas stadium implode a couple days ago. and these two buildings imploded. and the one next to it, nothing hit it. no plane hit the one next to it, it just decided to fall on its own, so naturally i have questions. >> you think something was done inside? >> yes. >> larry: but i'm telling the reason it imploded is so much heat from above and so much fuel on the jet that's that cause it'd to go down rather than go over.

>> never before has a building collapsed because it was hit by an airplane, a steel building. never before. >> larry: has any building ever been hit by a 747 before? >> i'm sure they have. >> larry: so you think there was something going on inside the building? >> well, i just question the whole thing. i question the story, i question the implosions, it just looks too simple, you know? >> larry: well, others have questioned it, too, although there was an investigation. >> there was an investigation, and i think there should be more. >> larry: willie nelson, another tweet to king, how many guitars do you own? >> i've got probably 12 or 15 around the house in austin. i really play one and that's the old martin trigger, and i play it -- >> larry: why do you call it trigger? >> oh, i don't know, it's just my pet name for it, like roy rogers' horse was named trigger, so i decided to name my guitar.

>> larry: how many songs have you written? >> 2,000, 3,000. >> larry: how many cds have you cut? >> i don't know because there's been a lot of compilations, bootleg, different ones. but i don't know, hundreds. >> larry: which of your songz -- this may be hard -- are you proudest of? >> well, the ones that -- crazy, night life, on the road again, angel flying too close to the ground. >> larry: how'd you come up with crazy? that's a great song and a great tune. >> i don't really know where it came from. it was a melody that was there and i think i ripped off floyd tillman a little bit somewhere along the way. >> larry: do you hear music in your head? >> sure. i hear melodies. >> larry: you're writing all the time. >> it's -- i could if i wanted to. i could, you know, sit down and

write something right now, you know, who knows if it would be any good or not but it would be something. i think any songwriter, if you're a pro, you should be able to write on the spot. >> larry: you often perform with your youngest sons. are they on this tour with you? >> they're going to be. they're starting out with me. lucas is playing an opening for me on this next tour that i start. >> larry: you must be very proud of that. >> that's exciting. >> larry: tell me about biowillie. what is that? >> the name of a product, biodiesel that we developed, made out of vegetable oil from restaurants and we use it to fuel the trucks. >> larry: a mercedes runs on that, he gets it from restaurants. >> yeah. absolutely. and it's -- the new thing. >> larry: you're riding on grease. >> vegetable oil, yeah. >> larry: have you it on your bus? >> had it on the bus also. >> larry: you seem to have lived pretty much by your own rules.

have any major regret? regrets? i've had a few, but then again, too few to mention. >> that's probably more the truth but i wouldn't say that, just say i regret this or that, because i really like the way things are now, and i think if i were to say, well i wish that was different, then it might change in some way the way things are now. >> larry: any song ever offered to you you turned down, you later regretted? >> no. i was talking the other day about the song "gambler" that kenny rogers did. >> larry: that was offered to you? >> i had a chance to do that. >> larry: why didn't you do that? >> honestly because i knew it was a hit and it was so long, it had so many verses that i'd have to do it every night. >> larry: know when to fold them, know when to hold em. you turned that down? >> i had just done stranger, i didn't want another long song. >> larry: your good friend has said, anybody who doesn't like

willie nelson is dead or may as well be dead. why do you think everybody likes you so much? and everybody does. there's nobody that doesn't like willie nelson. >> i like everybody too, you know? >> larry: you like people. >> yeah. >> larry: what about the plans for the july 4th backwards summer picnic this year? >> we're having it, ray wily, david alan koe, everybody has to have three names to get on there. >> larry: touring all summer? >> touring all summer. >> larry: got a joke? >> i've got some, but i'm not sure they're, you know -- >> larry: anyone say you could change the world? >> how about a golfing joke? >> larry: a golfing joke. okay. >> yeah. this lady went to the pro shop and told the pro a bee had stung her and did he have anything for

a bee sting. and he said, well, where did it sting you? and she said between the first and second hole had he said, well, first of all your stance is too wide. >> larry: funny. all right. let's close with a song, you and i. >> let dozen it. >> larry: star dust? >> start it off. >> larry: ♪ ♪ sometimes i wonder why i spend the lonely nights dreaming ♪ ♪ of a song. >> ♪ and the melody haunts my revery and i am once between with you ♪ ♪ when our love was new and each kiss an inspiration. >> larry: nightingale comes in. >> ♪ ♪ but that was long ago and now my consulation is in the star dust of a song ♪ ♪ and aside the wall when stars are bright and you were in my ♪