she said let me get out of town because when we lose these seats they talk about anybody but me. she's learned her lesson from bill "teflon" clinton. >> stephen takes the argument. >> hillary rodham clinton by a landslide. easy. easy. >> thank you. >> and she's rich. and her daughter got married this year. oh, she's beautiful. >> she's great. >> by a furlough to use a racing metaphor. good night from new york. "larry king live" starts right now.

just as our people prayed together with candlelight vigils, our governments worked policer than ever sharing intelligence preventing more attacks and demanding that the perpetrators be brought to justice. indeed today the united states and india are working together more closely than ever to keep our people safe. i look forward to meeting with prime minister singh in new delhi. we will forward with confidence

knowing that history is on our side. because those who target the innocent, they are for nothing but death and destruction. while we seek to build, to welcome people of different faiths and backgrounds and to offer our citizens a future of dignity and opportunity, that is the spirit of the gateway behind us which in its architecture reflects all the beauty and strength of different faiths and traditions which welcomed people to the city for a century. that is the hope that in towns and villages across india, across this vast nation leads people to board crowded trains and set out to forge their futures in the city of dreams. that is the shared determination of india and the united states. two partners that will never

waiver in our defense of our people or the democratic values that we share. just as your first prime minister said the day that the father of your nation was taken from you, we shall never allow that torch of freedom to be blown out. however high the wind or stormy. we believe that in america. we know you believe it here in india. god bless you and thank you very much. >> you listen along with me as

we listen to president obama and applaud the heroes that horrific day that rescued so many people. the survivors, hotel workers, ordinary indians and he really did also make a comparison to what we saw in the united states on 9/11 to what happened on november 26th, 2008 in mumbai. >> i was talking to a senior administration official before the president made those remarks and i said what is it the president will try to convey in his remarks? this official told me he wanted to let indians know they have a tragic something in common with the united states. that is as you referred to, india's 9/11. the president wanted to say in his remarks and you heard that even in this time or that time of struggle and great anguish and tragedy, that india as americans were able to rise up from that moment and he wanted to say that india and the united

states stand shoulder to shoulder in fighting terrorism. i thought one of the things was interesting that the president said is his partnership between the united states and india is one that will never waiver in defense of its people. that's one of the main points the president wanted to make by going there and making the remarks today. >> symbolism and the terrorist attacks we saw in mumbai is one thing, but this trip is also about cooperation with india. the close ties they have and it's about business. >> it really is. it's two key things they think a lot of people hear in india and the united states focus on in recent years. not only business, how can you grow your own economy within your country and borders and also outside, but also how can you protect your people and in particular, the threat is that of terrorism. on the united states side, if

you look at the polling in receipt months, terrorism does not rank very high in terms of what people are concerned about every day. in fact it really is all about the economy and jobs and that is one of the things if you have been following the election that hit democrats hard. they were not able to convey to the american people that this administration and the democrats in general were doing enough to turn the economy around and create jobs. the president by coming here to india is really sort of on a large scale job hunt. he wants to show that this is a booming market that is expanding at about 8% a year. there a lot of opportunities here for american companies, but a lot of opportunities as well for exports and the president believing if that can grow here in india, it can translate into jobs in the united states. >> live in mumbai, thanks so much. stay with cnn for complete

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so good to be home. >> larry: did you know you were making a great film? >> it sure felt great when we were making it, gosh, you know, talk about dreams coming true. i'm, you know, doing all this great music. i love making music. >> larry: ryon bingham wrote that. >> ryon bingham wrote that song and acted in the film too but i got to play with my dear friends t. bone burn net and steven bruton who died shortly after the film completed but, man, he was my guru through that whole thing. >> larry: are you a singer? do you sing. >> yeah, i just got back tours with t bone. he put together a speaking clark tour. he would ton john, gregg allman, elvis costello, john mellencamp,

neil young -- reforming buffalo springfield. >> larry: what do you call the group? >> it was the "the speaking clock revue". >> larry: "the speaking clock revue." >> yeah, we just played three dates, washington -- no, not washington, boston, new york and san francisco. had a great time. >> larry: you're so diverse. you're a classic -- most great character actors don't win academy awards for the lead, right? it was -- although you had been nominated for "the last picture show," best supporting actor for "shouldn'ter bolt and lightfoot." nominated best actor for "starman" and best actor for "the contender." i was proud to be in that movie. that was a hell of a movie. you played presidents. >> yeah. >> larry: and carmakers. >> yeah. >> larry: and piano players. >> yeah, shake it up.

>> larry: and country singers. >> yeah. >> larry: how do you approach a role? i mean, take me into the formula. >> pretty much basically the same way every time. i look -- you read the script and you -- people in the characters in the script will talk about your character and that help -- your character will talk about himself. that lets you know who this guy is a bit. and i look inside myself thinking what aspects of myself coincide with this guy, and which ones don't. you know, the ones that don't i kind of kick to the curb and the ones that, you know, link up, i sort of magnify those a bit and then i look at people on tv, you know, i might see, you know you and say, oh, look, how he's doing like that, that's the way the guy might be, you know, like that. you know. and i'll look at friends of mine -- go through my phone book and say, now who might i take this from?

little bits and pieces and then once i engage in the role, i find that i'm like a sponge, you know, i'm just -- everything i see, all my experiences are kind of filtered through, you know, trying to glean something out of my experience that i might use in the work. >> larry: do you have to like the character? >> no, no, no, like him? i don't know if you have to like him. understanding him, you know, trying to kind of get into his skin. >> larry: you sure did in "crazy heart." >> yeah, that's the kind of the fun -- >> larry: you became him. >> yeah, that's the fun part. >> larry: did you take him home with you? >> i guess i did. you know, i remember doing an interview in my home once and the interviewer asked me that same thing and i said i'm not really one of those arcs that take my parts home.

i don't make the other arcs call me by my character's name and so, no, i don't really take it home, my character home and my wife happened to be in the room and she -- like, why are you doing that. she said you don't think you do but you do. you know, and there's a lot of -- talk about preparation there's a lot of unconscious preparation that goes on that you're not even aware of. >> larry: jeff bridges. we'll take a look at "tron" and we're getting to "the dude" an iconic character jeff brought to life. we'll talk about "the big lebowski" and more with jeff bridges. stick around. >> your husband may have been an adulterer. you're not. you're a sex-crazed home wrecking machine, the female warren beatty. >> if i got on my knees and begged you to save the baker boys? forget it, sweetheart. we survived for 15 years before you strutted on the scene. two seconds you're bawling like a baby. you shouldn't be wearing a dress. you should be wearing a diaper. >> woo-hoo!

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year, every year, death, taxes, and jeff bridges was going to win the academy award. "crazy heart." and as we said one of jeff's upmany could go films is "tron: legacy." it's a sequel to the 1982 "tron." here's a preview. >> you're here. you're here. >> i'm here. >> you're big. >> you're -- >> old. >> larry: you enjoy futuristic stuff? >> yeah, yeah, it kind of tickles the kid in me. i remember when they -- you know, they asked me to come on board on the first one and, you

know, it's -- you know, they said, hey, you want to play this guy who gets sucked inside a computer and you get to use all the great, you know, technological stuff that we got going now? oh, yeah, okay. >> larry: got going then. >> and now -- >> larry: what are they doing now with this film? >> you know, i got engaged in this one for a lot of the same reasons, you know, that -- you know, it appealed to the skid inside of me, but now, you know, and i was also curious about the future of making movies, you know and now they've got this performance capture stuff. >> larry: what does that mean? >> well, it's where they make movies without cameras. there are no cameras. it's the weirdest thing. >> larry: that was made without a camera. >> that particular scene wasn't and what's interesting is how the directors and the filmmakers use all this technology in a different way so they come up with, you know, things that look quite a bit different. >> larry: how do you make a movie without a camera.

>> you're in a room, it can be any size. it's called volume and it's, you know, i think it's green or blue, i can't remember and there's no cameras but there are hundreds of little sensors pointed at you as an actor you are in tights with black dots all over your tights and face and you assume the "t" at the beginning of the take. now you're in the computer and now you act, no cameras but you act and everything -- i'm talking makeup, costume, sets and camera angles are all done in post. so, you know, you might say, yeah, isn't that -- so, okay, let's try -- no, let's do that same scene but let's start behind larry and then do 360s and come over here behind this cup and they can do that. >> larry: what's it like when

you see the finished version? >> it's very, very bizarre. i mean, you know -- i also got to play myself 30 years younger. you know, did you see "benjamin button"? yeah, so now they've done the same thing with brad. took him older. now they've made me younger. so what's really exciting as far as, you know, being an actor what this technology means i can play myself or a character that i'm portraying at any age. 5-year-old. huh? it's getting weird, larry. >> larry: jeff bridges is one of hollywood's good guys, back after this. later we'll discuss a cause that's near and dear to him. next we're talking dude. don't go away. ♪ ♪

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>> good night. ♪ i just dropped in to see what condition my condition was in ♪ >> you have to use so many cuss words? >> what the [ bleep ] are you talking about? >> okay, dude, have it your way. ♪ yeah >> larry: "the big lebowski," cult hit still viewed as its fans by the greatest motion picture ever made. was that your first with the coen brothers. >> yes, it was. >> larry: that had to be fun. >> that was great fun and what a great movie. gosh. >> larry: how do you explain its cultish -- its following? why does it last. >> probably because it's just a good movie, period. when it first came out i was kind of surprised it didn't do better biz here in america. i think it did better over in europe and then it came back over here and really took off and sort of a cultish type way. very happy about it, you know. >> larry: fun to do?

>> oh, man, oh, yeah, terrific. well, the writing is so great. that's what -- that's where the beginning of their -- the ceo ns' brilliance is in their writing. a lot said it's a lot of improvisation. no, every -- every man, every ee lip cease, every "f" word. >> take the [ bleep ] money, [ bleep ] head. >> it's down there somewhere. let me take another look. >> it was all in there. you didn't want to touch it. didn't want to change one word. it was like music. you know, you didn't want to mess with the lyrics. >> larry: you said your late mother did not like you playing -- >> no. >> larry: the dude because of the language? >> she didn't like any kind of scruffy guy. you know, she wanted, you know, doctors and presidents, and, you know she loved -- i played the president, our film "the contender". >> larry: our film. >> our film shortly after. i think i maybe did one in

between but it was the dude in the prez, i got a big thrill -- >> larry: you got to play a president which was a terrific film. what do you look for there. >> you know who i used a lot in that one was my dad. because my dad, as you know -- you knew him well. he was a very gregarious guy. he loved what he did and this president that i played, you know, he loved being president too. so i used my father a lot. i use him every once in a while. >> larry: any clinton in him? >> yep, sure. clinton loved to be prez. >> larry: yeah, this guy loved -- he loved the whole -- he loved ordering the food. i remember that scene, right? >> yeah, that's right, yeah. >> larry: and that's in one of the closing scenes. >> yeah. >> larry: you got the guy trapped. >> yeah. the shark sandwich. yeah, right. >> larry: what about working

with -- with other actors. is that -- do other actors help actors? >> oh, yeah, it's like my dad was, you know a tennis player. he played -- i played with my dad. my game, you know -- >> larry: got better. >> with other actors, they put you into the reality of the moment. you know, when you see they're so strong into it, it just kind of draws you in but also, you know, kids are wonderful to work with. you know, that freshness, because they don't know -- they don't anything. they're there. the kid in "crazy heart," wasn't he wonderful? >> larry: oh, yeah. >> remember. he wasn't an actor. he was just there. his big thing, what he would do -- you don't have a boom here but we'd be doing a scene and he would go aaagh! he grabbed the boom. that made his dad if he caught the -- >> larry: some arcs, w.c. fields said never work with a kid because you can't win the scene. >> but, you don't want to win,

you want to play it. it's a dance. you want to have a good dance. >> larry: what was your first movie? >> first movie was "the company she keeps." six months old. my -- >> larry: you were 6 months old. >> my mother and father were visiting their friend, john cromwell on -- who was directing the film and they needed a baby in the scene. jane greer was playing the woman in the scene, and my mom said, oh, take my baby. and i was supposed to be crying and i was a rather happy baby and my mom said to jane, just pinch him so she pinced me and i cried. >> larry: a star is born. we'll be back with jeff bridges right after this. compromise what i like to do. i take care with vesicare, because i have better places to visit than just the bathroom.

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♪ baby i don't know >> oh, yeah. >> larry: the great jeff bridges, got two films coming in december, "true grit" and "tron: legacy," right? >> uh-huh. >> larry: two -- what are you working on now? are you working on another one? >> right now i'm working on ending childhood hunger and my music and i'm working on my music and i got no movies -- >> larry: are you now a musical star? >> i don't know about star, but i'm getting to play my music, you know. which is a wonderful thing. >> larry: is that a new discovery or did you always -- >> i've been ever since i was a young teenager. sang and wrote music and played and piano and guitar. >> larry: did your father like that. >> yeah, yeah. >> larry: all right. you worked with clint eastwood in "thunderbolt and lightfoot" and had a nomination for that movie. >> uh-huh. >> larry: what was he like to work with and are you surprised

that his career is a director? michael chimino -- >> it was michael's first film he's the fellow who directed "the deer hunter" and "heaven's gate". >> larry: and got lost. >> he got a raw deal on that movie. for my money that's a classic. >> larry: why is it called the great bomb of all time. >> well, because, it got a couple of bad reviews then all the reviewers kind of got on board and so much of the movie going experience has to do with what you as a member of the audience brings into the experience. and if you heard just terrible things bit that all the experts say it's terrible, if you go at all you're going to -- >> larry: kris kristofferson was great in that. >> he was great in that. john hurt was a wonderful -- but you were asking about clint. >> larry: yeah. >> he -- clint, who gave chimon

this job -- mike had written "magnum force," i think, and, you know, you've heard stories about chimino -- how many takes he would do and working with clint, running the show, he does one or two, you know, he doesn't like to go and i was the person of the three of us who would always say, oh, i got an idea. can i try and i'd go to mike and ask him. he said we got to go to the boss, you know. clint would always said give the kid another shot. i like that. >> larry: what made clint special? >> ah, well, as a director too i'm thinking, you knowing like the coen brothers, he's got a calmness about him. you know, no big deal. you know, we're going to have fun but don't have to get all, you know, overamped about this thing so there's a calmness, a relaxation about this and out of that relaxation, you know,

things are allowed to -- >> larry: has he ever directed you? >> no. no, i'd love that, though. >> larry: what's it like though acting with him because he always seems so underplayed? >> yeah, it's great. you know, i don't know how you describe it. it's -- >> larry: no one like him. >> what's that? >> larry: no one like him. >> no, no, it's wonderful. very, very smooth. and he's a musician, you know. >> larry: plays piano. >> writes his songs for his movies and stuff. >> larry: our guest is the great jeff bridges. lots more to talk about. don't go away. it was always... [ laughing ] that seat's not happening without a big miles upcharge. a miles upcharge wasn't part of the deal. was i supposed to go without my wife? [ elevator bell dings ] [ grunting ] haha, that was awkward. so we upgraded to the venture card from capital one. we've had it with the games. [ male announcer ] don't pay miles upcharges. don't play games. get the flight you want with the venture card at capitalone.com.

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>> another thing, just because you have an idea it wrongs to you. ♪ always be so loyal >> what are you talking about? we was in love. >> she liked me as much as she liked you. >> that's a lie. >> i'll stay with her all night. >> you won't either. >> she done told me you couldn't do it that time, wichita falls. what about that? >> there.

no. wait. there. in the sky. there. >> i see it. >> larry: our guest is jeff bridges and the last two segments coming up we'll be joined by billy shore, executive direct he of share our strength and find out what compelled jeff to get so involved this that extraordinary charity. you've said that you're the product of nepotism. >> uh-huh. >> larry: you got your start in "sea hunt" with your father. have your own children acted? >> you know, unlike my dad, and i'm kind of sorry about this that i did it differently but i didn't -- i didn't push it on my own kids, you know. >> larry: your dad pushed it? >> no, he wasn't like a stage father trying to live vicariously through me. he just enjoyed it so much he wanted to encourage me to go

into that line of work because he thought i would enjoy it and like most kids, you don't want to do what your parents want you to do. you got your own things and don't want to get a job because of who your dad is or be liked because who your parents are so it was kind of a -- you know, there's a downside to having a famous parent and i wanted to, you know, got to protect my kids against that, but now -- >> larry: are you sorry now. >> i am a little bit. i have three girls and they're all, you know, gorgeous, you know, smart, and they're at eye time in their live, mid-20s when they're wondering what am i going to do, you know, for the rest of our lives as far as professions and i say, well, you could try the acting thing. you know, you got it in your blood and i'll help you in any way i can and they say, oh, no, no. i think it's just a little -- i think i got it. >> larry: are they all single. >> got one married.

isabelle is married. and -- >> larry: are you a tough father-in-law? >> no, no, no. >> larry: you're a piece of cake. >> i'm a piece of cake. >> larry: you've been married -- >> 33 years now. >> larry: in a business where that seems impossible. >> yeah. >> larry: so what if anything is the secret? >> well, in the past i've said don't get a divorce. ask that question, that will keep you together but also just practice being married. you know. >> larry: what do you mean? >> well, you know, if you're married -- 33 years, it probably takes a week and you'll come up to some problems and some rough spots and, you know, the impulse for a lot of people, i know i have this impulse often is i just, you know, want to withdraw or avoid that confrontation or, you know, that rough spot, but

if you look at those situations in a different light, those can be wonderful, wonderful opportunities to get deeper into a relationship and get to know each other more. i mean, the big high in life as far as i'm concerned is intimacy, there's nothing like it, to connect like that with another person and marriage, you know, you get -- that's what that's all about. >> larry: how do you keep it. >> well, you just -- you don't -- you don't not keep it. you keep it. you know, you show up together when you have a problem. you deal with it. you know. and, you know, my wife and i have a technique that we'll do from time to time when we have a real tough, you know, situation. we'll sit a little closer than we are sitting, you know, here and just look at each other and one person's task will just be to express themselves, what they're feeling and the other

person just listen -- you know, don't think when she stops i'll tell my side of the thing and i'll do this. no, just listen and get it, you know and then when she runs out of steam, then it's my turn and we go like that and you don't always, you know, figure it out in that session, but then you come back when you -- >> larry: self-analysis. >> yeah. >> larry: jeff is a lot more than an actor doing what he can to see that no child goes hungry. that's next. ♪

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look around you, one in four skids in the u.s. faces hunger. it's not always easy to see the sighs but in this land of plenty there are kids that don't know where they will get their next meal. join share our strength and take the pledge to end childhood hunger here in america by 2015. learn how at nokidhungry.org. their next meal could come from you. >> larry: we welcome billy shore executive director of share our strength. he's here to tell us about childhood hunger and how we can all help to end this tremendous uncanny problem. jeff bridges' national spokeperson. what is share our strength. >> it's an anti-hunger organization started back in 1984. jeff started an organization called the end hunger network a little bit before then in 1983 and we both realized there's a historic opportunity now to actually not just feed kids on an emergency basis but end childhood hunger had this country.

>> larry: why should there be any hunger in this country? >> it's really amazing that there is. jeff and i have talk about it a lot but when you look at the statistics that came out 44 million americans living below the poverty line. 41 million americans on food stamps and half of those kids, so there's tremendous need in this country right now and even times where our economy was good like during the clinton years, there were 35 million, 40 million americans living in poverty. >> that means there's hundreds of thousands of children right now tonight hungry? >> the -- the department of agriculture has been tracking food insecurity and the current numbers are 17 million kids, that's one in four, live in food insecure households. those are households where the kids aren't certain they'll get enough nutrition and food. >> larry: what do they eat in a food insecure house? >> very little. you typically see kids, family

who's are really stretching their food budget, kids who are having, you know, things they can pick up at food banks. so often times that's bread, it's chips, it's not new tishs produce, it's not high protein products. so kids really suffer. and we've seen it -- we've seen the impact in schools and health care and the economy. >> larry: what do you do specifically to try to end this? >> well, what this campaign, the no kids hungry campaign, is all about, it's bringing governors and mayors into the picture and really, you know, trying to get the local public officials involved, bringing non, you know, private funders, the nonprofit organizations, all to try to create a campaign that's got measurable goals. you know? and the basic idea is to increase the participation in

these programs that already exist, these federally-funded meal programs. >> larry: so you deal with many programs? >> that's right. kids in america, of course, are not hungry because we lack food. we don't. we have food in abundance. they're not hungry even because we lack food or nutrition programs, they're hungry because they lack access to those programs. so what we're getting kids involved in programs like school breakfast, school lunch, food stamps, that's in many cases a local problem that has a local solution. governors and mayors can make a huge difference. >> the great thing about these programs is they're in existence. from our elections that we've just got the results in, we know that the country's divided on a lot of issues. but on ending childhood hunger. >> larry: who's in -- >> who's against that? we're all -- we all want to see our kids well fed. and these programs are in place, but so many kids who are

eligible for them aren't participating in them. so it's a matter of reaching out and finding these gaps where they exist, and, you know, just almost like surgery going, let's fix that situation. >> larry: what do you want the viewer to do? >> this is the great thing about this issue is it's a solvable problem. there's a role that everybody can play. >> larry: like? >> we're not talking about terrorism, or climate change, everybody can get involved. first of all, there's a pledge to end childhood hunger that jeff has done some psas on and the end hunger network are pushing together. people can take that pledge, get involved. they can be part of advocating with their governors and mayors to reduce these barriers so that more kids are enrolled in these programs. they can volunteer at a soup kitchen, they can donate money. there's so many ways average americans can help end this problem. >> they can go to nokidhungry.org and take the pledge, and i'm going to give you the pledge right now.

>> larry: oh. >> see if i've got my lines right. i believe that no child in america should go hungry by taking this pledge i'm adding my voice to the national movement of people who are committed to end childhood hunger in america by 2015. >> larry: you go to nokidhungry.org. we'll be back after this. ♪ [ male announcer ] what does it take to excel in today's business world? our professors know. because they've been there. and they work closely with business leaders to develop curriculum to meet the needs of top businesses. which means when our graduates walk in the room, they're not only prepared... they're prepared to lead.

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shores, you feel you've made progress? >> we've made tremendous progress on this issue. if you look at the bipartisan support that exists now for programs like school lunch and school breakfast, 30-year history of support for these programs and this enormous infrastructure of private programs like share our strengths, like end hunger network, jeff introduced me to a great organization called the unity shop that's doing comprehensive work to feed people. these organizations have sprung up all over the country. >> larry: when you go to that website you can learn how to give money too? >> can you learn how to give money, take the pledge, get involved in your local community. >> larry: i do something with the pledge. >> that's the thing. talking about how important this participating in these existing federal feeding -- meal programs, and that is very important. but one of the big keys, as far as i'm concerned, is creating

this political will to do something about this problem. and, you know, our politicians, they're our representatives. >> larry: hopefully. >> hopefully. i mean, you know. but the first thing you've got to look at is creating your own will. you know, where do i stand? knowing this problem exists and that we're all connected. you know, what am i going to do about it? and when i ask myself that question, you know, 30-some odd years ago, i said, i'm in the entertainment business, i do interviews, there certainly must be something that a guy like i might lend to this problem. so this is the kind of thing that i'm doing. >> larry: you have the reverse thing, obesity in kids. >> that's right. in many ways, opposite side of the same coin. same low income communities, in many cases the same low income families who don't have the resources, don't have the information to make healthy choices for their kids. it's very expensive to eat healthy and nutritiously.

we also have a nutritious education program called cooking matters to help families figure out how to make these choices with whatever limited resources they might have. >> larry: and you can learn a lot by just going to nokidhungry.org. you get a lot of -- in addition to taking the pledge. >> that's right. there's lots of information there about how to get involved in your own community, nationally. as jeff says, how to build the political will. these kids are not just vulnerable, they're voiceless. we're their voices. that's what's so key, we are their voices and hopefully people watching this show will become voices for these kids. >> it's a terrible thing to go through, you know, struggle with hunger in your life. but that doesn't just affect that individual, it affects your family, of course, but society, a society not looking out for their kids. >> larry: it's shameful. >> it's shameful. and we're headed in the wrong direction. the way to correct course is