day of his visit to india in new delhi. part of a ten-day four-nation tour of asia. the president trying to bring jobs back to the u.s. a live look at new york city, where the new york city marathon is just getting under way, quiet in the streets right now from that shot. you have literally tens of thousands of runners participating, getting under way in several ways. we'll keep an eye son what is happening in new york at this. "state of the union" right now. changing faces and changing places, very soon washington will look and be different. in the 112th congress convening in january, republicans will have at least a 51-seat majority in the house, eight races still in limbo. in the senate the gop will have six new seats for a stronger minority. some analysis from the top. >> no one party will be able to dictate where we go from here,

we must find common ground in order to set, in order to make progress on some uncommonly difficult challenges. >> finding common ground in a year the presidential election cycle begins will be the first uncommonly difficult challenge. today, from the state house to the white house, what the midterms mean for 2012 with two republican governors, rick perry of texas and tim pawlenty of minnesota. then congressman chris van holland and the way ford for democrats and a conversation with pat toomey of pennsylvania and analysis with michael duffy of "time" magazine and karen tumulty of "the washington post." i'm candy crowley and this is "state of the union." in the past election analysis, most of the attention has been on changes in washington, but the impact of the 2010 red wave was wide and deep. now republicans want to make it lasting. friday the soon-to-be house

speaker john boehner sent out a call for reinforcement, a letter to republican governors, writing, we have an opportunity for unprecedented collaboration on behalf of the american people in the effort to stop the expansion of federal power in washington in hopes of returning power and freedom to states and individuals. joining me now two of the country's moe prominent republican governors, rick perry of texas and tim pawlenty of minnesota. thank you both very much for joining us. let me start with you, governor pawlenty. it seems to me that the subtext of john boehner's letter was you need to help us stop health care. you're an outgoing governor but i want to ask you if you think that's a good idea. >> i think it's a terrific idea, candy and good morning to you. good morning to rick. i think obamacare is one of the worst pieces of legislation passed in the modern history of the country. i'm doing everything i can in minnesota to stop delay or avoid implementation in my state

including signing an executive order saying we're not going to participate unless required by law. we've declined aspects of it and i hope between now and 2014 when it's fully kicked in as many states as possible do what they can to reel that program back or that the new republican congress better yet can repeal it because it's dragging stuff into washington, d.c., creating a new bureaucracy, spending a lot of new money that they don't have isn't going to work. we should have market-based solutions. >> i want to show both of you and governor perry, have you respond to this, this was from our cnn exit poll, the question was what should congress do with the new health care law, expand it? 31% said yes. leave it as it is, 16% said leave it as it is. repeal 248%. 47% of those who went and voted said expand it or leave it alone. 48% repealed. really there's a tie in the country. what kind of mandate is that? >> you've gone from a lot of people thinking this might be a

good idea to everyday people find out the cost and, my wife's a nurse, father-in-law a physician, they understand intuitively what this is going to do, if it goes into place or goes in as it is written, we will be rationing health care, doctors will get away from medicare, medicaid type. >> if you're listening to voters as senator mcconnell says you want to do, voters didn't say repeal this thing, stop this thing. >> i think they did. >> pretty much split down, but 47% didn't. >> let me tell i couldn't they said that and here's what is not penetrated really through to the public yet is the cost of this. the state of texas, $27 billion more, over and above what we're already paying over the next ten years. $2.7 billion every year. this is the type of money that will bankrupt states. so people are looking at it from the standpoint of does everybody

need to have coverage? does everybody -- and i think intuitively folks say yes but they haven't thought about the cost. is this a great product to buy? yes. but you don't know what the real cost is. once you see the cost it's kind of like you know what? we can't afford that. let's look at something else. >> governor pawlenty in the exit polls, 52% of voters had an unfavorable opinion of republicans, that is 10% higher than had an unfavorable view of democrats. . your name often mentioned as someone who might want to run for president. i would think those would be concerning numbers to you. >> well, i think the message of this election, candy, primarily but not entirely related to the economy, people see and understand the economy is still in the doldrums and when you mess with people's livelihoods they come looking for you and want change. that's what happened but not so much people reembraced republicans. they didn't like the direction president obama and nancy pelosi and the democratic congress was taking the nation and now

they're at least opening the door to reconsidering supporting republicans, and now we have to governor a govern and lead and produce results. if we don't, we'll be thrown out in two years. it's a second chance for republicans, not an affirmation of the great work we've done in the past, its 's an open door f the future. >> you have said the federal government has to stop spending money yet in texas you face an $18 billion deficit at least coming into january. governor pawlenty, although he's outgoing, has about a $6 billion deficit they're looking at in minnesota and yet you want the government to cut back, which necessarily means they will not be giving money to the states. doesn't this just worsen your problem? there's an idea out there, let's cut spending but hold off on it, pass a law to cut spending, hold off a year or two while everybody stabilizes themselves. what about that? >> my book is called up "fed up: saving america from washington" that's exactly what the issue

is. we don't have budget deficits in texas because we have a balanced budget amendment there. >> right, you have to cut spending or raise taxes >> that's right, that's the options in texas. we had the same thing in 2003. we reduced and that was a $10 billion shortfall back in 2003. we reduced that, filled that gap without raising taxes. we'll do the same thing this time, and i've told washington no two times on unemployment insurance, $550 million and also a billion-dollar plus program called race to the top on education. we told them no. >> billions in stimulus money really helped with your budget, and let me just turn to governor pawlenty, and ask you the same question. this is a time when states really are facing record deficits, the problem is they've been cutting spending, they've been doing a number of things to try to bring these things under control and now republicans want the federal government to stop spending. doesn't this really limit the things you can do and aren't the states looking to stop some of

their services? >> you know, i don't think it's just republicans that want the federal government or others to stop spending excessive levels and i think rick's book "fed up" summarizes it well. they're telling the federal government, tighten your belt and live within your means just like everybody else. candy i echo what rick said about budgets. in minnesota we've balanced our budgets and our budget deficit by the way is based on a projected increase by the bureaucrats that spending is going to go up on autopilot over the next two years 17%. that's outrageous. that's ridiculous. it's way beyond anything that's going to be growthed in the private sector and that kind of autopilot spending and entitlement spending and that kind of mentality that creates a lot of this problem, and what we're saying, what rick is saying, what i'm saying is government needs to live within the revenues that are available and we need to have a growth in government or reduction in government that reflects reality and right now it's insulated from reality and people are sick

of it. >> governor perry one of the things i believe you're saying in your book and forgive me for not having read it yet, you think perhaps dropping out of medicaid, the state dropping out of medicaid and you have even talked about dropping out of the children's health insurance program, otherwise known as c.h.i.p.s., you've got 3.6 million children disabled or poor in texas who would lose their health benefits. what happens to them if you opt out of medicaid? >> what we think works very well and i totally agree with what tim was talking about from the standpoint of those bureaucrats shooting these huge numbers forward but let me back to the issue at hand. we would create our own insurance program for them, and i've had a waiver request for four years. >> the government gives you 60% of the money to fund this. how does that add up to help you? >> we understand that's our money. you talked about us taking stimulus dollars. we send hundreds of billions of dollars to washington, d.c., and generally don't get much of it back. we'd just as soon not send as

much money to washington, d.c., let us come up with the idea. pawlenty and jindal and barbour and some democrats will come across the idea with good ideas. let us pick and choose rather than this one size fits all mentality that comes out of washington, d.c. with string attached. i haven't gotten an answer yet to free us from the strings from washington, d.c., that is the issue at hand. let the states be the laboratories of innovation and good ideas will come out of that. i promise you, pawlenty will snitch from each other and put them in place in our states. >> governor pawlenty, two questions. will you run for president, and second of all, i want to show you a poll here, when we asked republicans their choice for the nomination, huckabee at 21%. romney 2 20%. palin, 14%, gingrich 12%,

pawlenty 3%. what do you make of the snol. >> i don't know what i'm going to do, after i'm done being governor, i'll decide that, the early polls, me or somebody else reflect familiarity, name of i.d. i see front-runners in the past with similar situations that change over time. the early polls don't mean much for me especially if you haven't run before and aren't well-known. >> toif i could get a yes or no would repealing health care reform be a part of your major platform? >> yes, i think having health solutions dragged into washington, d.c., bureaucratically run entitlement programs they can't afford are a bad idea. i like markets and people being in charge of decisions. >> governor pawlenty thanks for joining us and governor pik perry. when we run president obama and john boehner, a shotgun marriage if ever there was one. because of one word,

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behalf of the american people. >> can democrats and republicans sit down together and come up with a set of ideas that address those core concerns? i'm confident that we can. >> now, just to get down to the details of living together and the political arena. >> we continue to believe that extending all of the current tax rates for all americans is the right policy for our economy at this time. >> i don't think that tax cuts alone are going to be a recipe for the kind of expansion that we need. >> for the health care bill that was enacted by the current congress will kill jobs in america, ruin the best health care system in the world, and bankrupt our country. >> we'd be misreading the election if we thought that the american people want to see us for the next two years relitigate arguments that we had over the last two years. >> oh, dear. up next, a talk about

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joining me now here in washington, the man who led the democratic campaign effort in the house, congressman chris van holland, and we both admit that rough week is a bit of an understatement for you at this point. >> a very rough week, there's no sugar coating that. >> how rough week, i want you to take a look at the graphic that we have, and we're now looking at blue democrat, red republican, and it's pre-election where you all held seats. i want to switch it over and see how it looks now.

so basically the midwest and the interior west just caved on you. what happened? >> well, we saw convergence of a lot of events that created a perfect storm against the democrats. you started with a difficult political playing field which we said from the beginning was the challenge. we had 84 house democrats in congressional districts that george bush carried in the 2004 election which was kind of a flat political year, not a big wind to anybody's back. five democrats in congressional districts that john kerry carried, which is why we always said we had a tough playing field. you add to that a very difficult economy, 9.5% employment and 13ri6r sprinkle into that tens of millions of dollars of largely secret special interest money and you get a category 3 political hurricane. it was tough. the only solace i can take is the feedback we've gotten from members from a campaign

perspective, we gave them all the support and resources that they could possible have but couldn't overcome a big wave. >> nowhere in here nor have i heard from the president you see anything wrong in the policy that was passed. you think this is all outside forces coming to bear that somehow fooled the american people into voting republican. i looked at the suburban veet for democrats which dropped 11% in this election from the last one. you're now down to a 2% edge in the suburbs. you can't win a lot without the suburbs. did are consider at all there is something that went too far, and that the american people are pushing back? >> candy, i don't think anyone thinks the american people were fooled. i think what the american people were saying loud and clear is that the pace of the economic recovery, the continued large rate of joblessness is just unacceptable and it is unacceptable. >> having spent $800 billion to

try to get it down there. >> but the facts are the facts. there are 3 million more americans employed today than there would have been without the economic recovery bill, so it's not that that failed but what it did fail to do was to meet expectations which was to come back on all cylinders and what people have said and we said during the campaign, you know, it's tough to say it could have been worse, and that is a tough argument to make and people were voting in the here and now understandably not satisfied, impatient with the pace of recovery. that was what the referendum was all about. >> you don't think that the democrats went too far and spent too much money on the stimulus or too much money on the t.a.r.p. or went after the wrong thing and should have been focused on jobs for a year rather than health care. you think everything you did was good, this was something else or confluence of events that made you lose this many seats? >> we were responding to an emergency.

an emergency began on george bush's wash. george bush and secretary paulson who initiated the bank rescue. democrats joined with them to try and prevent a total meltdown. it was a terribly difficult vote. the economic recovery bill was absolutely essential to stabilize an economy in freefall. it's undeniable things improved from 700,000 americans losing their jobs, the month the president was sworn in, to now, where just last month we saw more positive signs, but again, 9.5% unemployment is unacceptable and i think that the clear message is everybody work together to get the economy back in full gear and i think the republicans make a big mistake in they interpret this as a mandate to do more than that, to try and turn things back over to a lot of the special interests that ran the show in washington when they were in control. >> let me ask you about the current relationship between surviving democrats and the white house, because i've heard a lot of rumblings among

democrats particularly on the more liberal side of it and they say look the president's already talking about tweaking health care reform, that he might be open, the white house talking about tweaking health care reform. he's already signaled he might give on tax cuts and i've talked to liberals who have said we need nancy pelosi as speaker to push back because the person we think that might undermine us is the president. >> i don't think so for a second. health care reform, what the president has said is if there are adjustments people think we need to be made to improve the bill, we'll do that. for example there's this provision regarding 1099 gotten a lot of attention. it should not have been in there. in the house we acted to take that out. we never got that changed through the senate. that kind of thing we should do. >> you don't think the president will sell back some of what you gained? >> i think the president is clear when it comes to taxes that adding $700 billion to the deficit in order to provide folks at the very top with a special tax break when we know

that that hasn't created jobs because it's in place right now that that's not acceptable to him, so i don't see any sign of the president retreating from his principles, but i do see his willingness to reach out and wherever reasonable and in the interests of moving the economy and jobs forward he's going to work with the republicans as are the democrats. >> i want to read you something that one of your delegation, not delegation, one of your caucus members said about speaker nancy pelosi becoming a now minority leader, this is jason altmire who told dana bash "i don't get the sense that speaker pelosi understands what happened on tuesday. we lost middle america. the democratic party got crushed. i would rather have someone who understands middle america and someone who can relate to the districts we lost," which as we all know are the conservative districts and as we saw in that map. do you support speaker pelosi and can she be an effective spokesperson for the middle of the country? >> yes, and yes she can. nancy pelosi has been fighting for middle class america for the

last 24 months, together worked to rein in some of the special interests on wall street to give consumers a fighting chance. we've worked to make sure patients get health care paying their premiums day in and day out when they need it the most. the answer is yes. look, on tuesday this was a lot bigger than nancy pelosi. we lost over 607 state legislators, 19 state legislative bodies switched control from democrats to republicans. we lost a lot of governorships. what this was all about and understandably so was a referendum on 9.5% unemployment and a feeling we had not made enough progress and people are right, we have not made enough progress and that's why we need to fight to continue to get us out of this mess. in some ways the good news is our republican colleagues now have to share some of the

responsibility for getting us out of the mess their policies helped to make in the first place. >> quickly, congressman hoyer, congressman clyburn going for the number two position in a smaller democratic party, is that a test of ideology and who do you support? >> i don't think so. we'll make sure both members can stay in the democratic leadership. >> like a deal somehow to get one of them to stand down? >> they're both going to be at the table, i'm convinced in terms of helping providing -- >> who do you like? who would you vote for? >> i like both. they know who i'm supporting right now. >> tell us. >> no, but this is sort of internal politics and it's not something you talk about on the air or announce a particular preference on the air, because it's not a preference over one person's leadership abilities over the other. these are very difficult decisions for the caucus, and i'm confident that the members of the caw success recognize that both gentlemen bring an

enormous amount to the job and we will work it out. >> you're no fun but thanks very much. >> thanks, candy. >> congressman chris van hollen thank you for being here. >> good to be here. >> next pat toomey of pennsylvania. ♪ where'd you learn to do that so well. ♪ the new cadillac srx. the cadillac of crossovers. cadillac. the new standard of the world. progresso. hi. we love your weight watchers endorsed soups but my husband looks the way he did 20 years ago. well that's great. you haven't seen him... my other can is ringing. progresso. hey can you tell my wife to relax and enjoy the view? (announcer) progresso. you gotta taste this soup.

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why then are we listening to republicans talk about we've got to cut spending, we need to cut more taxes, when that's clearly not what voters had in mind? >> well, candy, you know, you can get the outcome you like from a poll depending on the way you word a question and the options you present to voters. i think what voters want us to focus on are two big things. the first is maximizing economic growth so that we get the job creation that comes with it that we need so badly. the second is that we put our federal government on a sustainable fiscal trajectory which we are not on now and these are related. if we don't get our fiscal house in order we can't have maximum economic growth. i think those are the two big challenges that we face and what voters want us to focus on. >> it looks as though and already the democrats are saying that you seem, that you, meaning the republican you, seem to be taking a mandate where no mandate was intended, that voters didn't go in there saying

yeah, cut taxes and cut spending. you see this as a mandate perhaps to your own per nil two years. >> well, i think we should be careful about how we interpret this election. many voters remember being disappointed by republican majorities and this has not been a huge embrace of the republican party or the republican brand. but it clearly was a repudiation of an agenda that's not working and agenda in which the government has overreached dramatically in many, many areas, and in which the spending has been wildly excessive. people understand intuitively you can't borrow and spend your way to prosperity. these deficits are unsustainable and i think they want to us do something about it. >> you were around for much of the bush administration when a lot of the spending took place that republicans are now complaining about. what's different about you? what's different about the republicans that's going to change this time around? >> well, i was there for the first bush administration, and candy, i spent most of my time in the house fighting my fellow

republicans. i thought we were spending too much money, i voted against the big new entitlement program, tried to wring an end to earmarks, i wrote alternative budgets when i felt the republican budget spent too much money and cobbled together a makeshift filibuster on the floor. i think my record is very clear, i was concerned about this problem many years ago, now the problem is much, much bigger, because the current government has taken spending to a whole new really staggering proportions, so i think most republicans get this, we've just gone through an election cycle in which the voters have spoken i think very clearly about the need to rein in this government so i'm hoping we'll have a new spirit among republicans in congress. >> i guess i'm not sure how you can talk about the american people wanting the federal government to rein in their spending when 40% said we want the federal government to spend more money on creating jobs. >> well, when you pose it that

way, people are answering they want the creation of jobs or more spending of money? you tie those things together and give people a limited number of choices to a question designed to elicit a certain response, that's what you'll get. i think people understand that the job growth that is sustainable for our economy will come from the private sector, not from growing government. i think that's a message that came across really very clearly. >> do you consider yourself a tea party candidate and would you join a tea party caucus? >> you know, i had broad support from the tea party movement and i appreciate that support. in my experience and i met with lots of folks who were active participants and others who were sympathetic to the tea party, in my experience, these are ordinary americans, mostly working class and middle class americans who love this country, they're very worried about its future, in particular they're worried about the mountain of debt that's being piled on to their kids' backs and so i'm very sympathetic to that concern

as well. i welcome their support and think they can play a constructive role in keeping the republican party committed to the principles that we advocate. >> would you join a tea party caucus in the senate? >> i'd consider that. i'd want to hear what that's going to be all about, what that means but i'd be open to that. >> do you think, a lot of people are looking at this and seeing the tea party on the one hand hearing from the democratic side saying the republicans aren't talking like they want to compromise. why is this not a recipe for gridlock for two years. >> it depends on a lot of things. after the '94 elections, despite the fact that president clinton and many republicans in the congress didn't exactly get along terribly well there was real progress. there were actual cuts in spending, we reached a balanced budget. there were cuts in the capital gains taxes, new trade agreements, there was welfare reform and there was a strong economy so i think it is possible, and actually i'm encouraged by some of the things

that president obama has said recently, indicated that he's got some thoughts about lowering capital gains at least in some cases. we should do that more broadly to maximize the economic benefits. he's in asia promoting the virtues of expanding trade and increasing exports around the world, he's exactly right about that. so i think there are opportunities and i hope we'll both reach out, both the president and his party as well as republicans to focus on the policies that will maximize economic growth because that's what we need to focus on. >> senator-elect pat toomey out of pennsylvania, see new washington. thanks for your time. >> thanks for having me, candy. coming up n their own words, obama, clinton and reagan, after midterm setbacks. you want some fiber one honey clusters?

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as part of a hydrogen system." this could significantly reduce emissions and increase fuel economy by as much as 80%. rocked by a brutal midterm election, a beaten president tries to find his moorings. moving to embrace a change not of his own making, without giving up ground. we have passed this way before. >> we will work with them in a bipartisan fashion in an attempt to solve these problems. we won't compromise on principle of what we absolutely believe is essential to the recovery. what has been done so far is apparently working very successfully. >> i will do everything in my power to reach out to the leaders and the members of this

new congress. but to those who would use this election to turn us back, let me say this. i will do all in my power to keep anyone from jeopardizing this economic recovery by taking us back to the policies that failed us before. >> why i want to engage both democrats and republicans in serious conversations about where we're going as a nation. with so much at stake, what the american people don't want from us especially here in washington is to spend the next two years refighting the political battles of the last two. >> presidents clinton and reagan won re-election in their time. what's next for this president? we're joined by michael duffy of "time" magazine and karen tumulty of "the washington post." ning bowl of cereal. and to lactaid® milk. easy to digest and with all the calcium and vitamin d of regular milk. [ female announcer ] lactaid®. the original lactose-free milk.

joining me now here in washington, michael duffy, assistant managing editor of "time" magazine and tumulty, political reporter for "the washington post." great article this morning in "the post." we pulled out something from governor phil brettison deson o tennessee. "there doesn't seem to be anybody in the white house who has got any idea what it's like to lie awake at night worried. they're all intellectually smart they've got their numbers but they don't feel any of it, and i think people sense that."

a cry for a normal person in the white house? >> first of all in the first few days after a very traumatic event and so you know, things always look very, very dire right after a moment like this, but we did as we were, as dan and i were reporting this week got a very clear sense that democrats have been shaken both in their faith in barack obama's political gifts and their confidence in the skill of this political team. >> and i'm picking that up, too, in some anger at the president, they feel that particularly in the house side that they kind of walked out on that limb, it got sawed off by the senate and they got no help from this president and they're worried he's going to cave further. >> it's not clear yet that either side has completely digested the meaning of tuesday. we're only five days out of this. democrats keep saying you just heard them say a few minutes ago this isn't about the policy. it's about the communication, president obama said that

wednesday morning. when you really have the sense of it wasn't about the policy, and so it takes a long time i think for all of, whenever we have, you saw the three different presidents go through their own, you know, reckoning with defeat, it takes all of them some time, monlts, actually, to reposition themselves for the next round and we're just at the beginning of that. >> you don't have a lot of time. this is the third election in a row where voters have decided to kick somebody to the curb. >> right. >> and so they also at the same time know that they've got to produce and they've got to get it right very, very quickly. >> i want to turn to the republicans and how they're seeing this election. this is from eric cantor in a letter to house republicans, if all of obamacare cannot be immediately repealed then it is my intention to begin repealing it piece by piece, blocking funding for its implementation and blocking the issuance of the regulations necessary to implement it. in short it is my intention to use every tool at our disposal to achieve full repeal of obamacare.

whoa. we saw the polling. there isn't consensus that ought to be what happen. overplaying? >> i think that's a good question, even john boehner, more conciliatory than some of the other republicans said. if we can't repeal it, we'll dent it, knock it, slow it down. we don't know whether this is post-game pep rally, reminding the troops we'll stay in it whether they intend to or not. there's no way they can repeal it given all the ways democrats can bottle it up. >> they're framing their message partly for 2012. >> this is sort of a post kind of -- thank you, guys so much, on both sides. >> the other thing to watch is not only what happens to the health care overhaul in washington, but out in the states, because it is this gigantic new crop of republican governors who are going to be charged with implementing it and don't forget all those lawsuits that are still going forward as well. >> 20 states and probably more states that join it now that more states are being run by republicans. >> speaker soon to be speaker

boehner sent that letter to governors going we can all work together to do this, code for stop health care reform at the state level. jim demint, big tea party supporter with both money, endorsements, didn't do quite as well in the senate as i'm sure he would like to. he had had to say wednesday in "wall street journal." the next campaign begins today because you must now overcome determined party insiders if this nation is going to be spared from fiscal disaster. the establishment is much more likely to try to buy off your votes than to buy into your limited government philosophy. how much of a pain is jim demint going to be for minority leader of mcconnell and other republicans? >> i think that what he represents is going to be an enormous influence because i think the tea party influence is not the number of tea party members who got elected but the fact that they have put every single republican in congress on notice that they've got to keep

looking over their shoulders, and especially any vote where something involves money is involved, the only safe vote for a republican is going to be no. >> it's another reason why the rhetoric i think in "the post" in the last couple of days has been great, so try dent from the republicans they know they have this group of folks coming to town and don't want them to break away. but we still have a civil war going on in the republican side, even though they were victorious. >> it's more of a come on in tea party folks, we're the same way you are. it's a difference between -- >> we like the same music. >> there's a difference between that and when you have to start singing the song. >> we're months away from that. >> let me turn to the battle inside the democratic party on the house side with now speaker pelosi saying i want to be majority leader. she wouldn't have said it if she didn't have the votes. we have a bit of a fight about the number two position in the democratic party but i want to also read you something heath shuler, basically a democrat in name only if there is such a

name for that, from north carolina, talking about recruitment of democratic candidates. i can go recruit moderate members to run in swing districts. i could do it better than she could, and that's what it's going to take. it's going to take moderate candidates to win back those seats. so we do hear this sort of rumbling from the minority moderate democrats in the party, but is it a minus in recruitment for nancy pelosi to still be the head of the democratic party when they lost the entire midwest? >> you know that it's a minus because the people who are happiest this morning are the republicans, they recently ran a bus tour saying fire pelosi, that worked out pretty well for them. now a sign over their headquarters across the hill that says hire pelosi. they're praying the democrats take this step. she has the best fund-raising networks and apparently has the votes. they have recruited moderates. rahm emanuel when he's in charge of the group chris von hollen is now in charge of did a great job of hiring moderate candidates

and they won with them. so it can be done. >> i also heard these rumblings of democrats and how they feel about president obama is they think speaker pelosi is precisely the person to kind of push up against what they expect to be a president who is kind of, if not back pedaling at least trying to work around the edges of some of the legislation they passed and paid for paid f polls. >> and there come those moments where it will be in the democrats' interest to draw the distinctions with the republicans rather than trying to compromise with them, and i think those moments are going to come as john boehner tries to implement his one specific campaign promise, which was to cut $100 billion from spending next year. that sounds like a great goal, it sounds -- it's certainly got a lot of support but when you start doing it line by line, you run into some problems. >> if we were heading toward a period here of reconciliation and working together across party lines, and you may -- you might think that nancy pelosi

wasn't the best choice, but we're not. we're head heditoward a period gridlock and dysfunction in washington. even before she made her decision on friday. >> gridlock? >> mostly. >> mostly gridlock. you agree with that? >> mostly plus. i'm a little more than mostly. >> a little more than mostly. basically setting up the next election on the house side is what's going to happen. if there's going to be compromise, it will happen in the senate. karen tumulty, michael duffy, thanks for being here. a check of the top top stories and training for the new york city marathon while 2300 feet underground. ..authentic... ...pure... and also delicious. ♪ like nature valley. granola bars made with crunchy oats and pure honey. because natural is not only good, it also tastes good. nature valley -- 100% natural.

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