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king live." good evening. tamarah geller is the renowned dog expert and celebrity dog expert. her clients include oprah winfrey, ben affleck, courtney cox arquette and me, yours truly. she's the author of the best-seller "love dog" launched by oprah and her new book is "30 days to a well-mannered dog. we'll be joined by biscuit king shortly. now were you in the israeli army. >> yes. i used to be an intelligence officer and worked with the special forces. >> what took you to dog training? >> it's all about strategic planning. it's all about thinking that you have plan "a" and if that doesn't work then plan "b" and then plan "c" and when i was in the army i saw how they treated the dogs back then and then i had the opportunity to go down

to the desert in israel and study wolves, and when i realized everything that the wolves did was done through games, all right, not being off any of that stuff, none of that, i realized that's the way to do it and when i tried those specific games on my dogs, i was like, oh, finally somebody who speak my language. >> larry: what were they doing with wolves? >> i was just observing them. >> just went -- just observing their behavior, that's exactly right. >> larry: what brought you to the united states? >> i wasn't planning to stay here. just came here for a vacation. came for a little vacation and i stayed for a year and my ticket ended here in los angeles, and when i landed i saw that there's going to be a pink floyd concert in a murntsd and i was like, i'm already on the road way longer than i planned. let me stay and watch pink floyd, and while i was waiting i apprenticed and volunteered with some dog trainers, and then one day i got a call that a cocker

spaniel was stealing socks from their owner, and they are like we don't want to go there. you go there, and i went there, and i see what's going on, the dynamic and the owner, and i'm telling the owner the dog is look for your attention and the owner is telling me but i'm home all day but all you do is that. a dog sees your back unless he steals your socks. we changed it when the dog stole socks, the owner ignored him and played a lot of games other times. a week later, my guy, the grammy, gets the grammy and becomes a huge success, kenny g, the saxophone player and he referred me to nick let sheridan, whoopi goldberg, many, many clients. that's 22 years ago. >> >> larry: that's how long you've been doing this. >> yes. >> larry: you train them at puppies. do you do brush-up sessions? >> no need if the owner keeps it up because i'm turning it into a

lifestyle where it's not like concentrated. it's how you eat. you can't eat healthy for a beat, byng and be healthy. the same with a dog. like a relationship. you cannot love your spouse and kids 15 minutes in the morning and 15 minutes at night. it becomes a part of your life. >> larry: okay. what's -- the goal in training, do you ever hit a dog? >> every day. never. >> larry: never hit a dog. >> never ever. would you ever hit a child, ever hit a spouse. >> larry: how about if your dog made doody in the house and you put their nose in it and -- >> absolutely not. you don't have a problem with the dog doing hissy but with the location but with you putting the nose in the measure not conveying what the issue is and what happens, unfortunately, when you deal with punishment. unwelcome circumstances is that the dog is afraid to go to the bathroom now and they will eat the poop trying to hide the evidence or go in the closet or no go in front of you when you

take a walk and the dog is like i'm not taking a chance, he's crazy the last time i did it so, you know, you've got to be very clear and often timss even with people relationships we think we're conveying one message and we are not. >> larry: what is the toughest thing for a dog to learn? >> toughest thing for a dog to learn. exactly. nothing really tough for them to learn because i'm making it in a way where it's easy where they are feeling like we're going to learn. we're going to have fun, you know. it's really extremely difficult on a dog to be alone all day, you know. >> larry: many are, right? single parents? >> many r.that's the toughest thing because they are social animals. they need to be with others, so to leave them alone all day, that is something that is extremely stressful for a dog, and that's why we have to come up with ways to alleviate the stress. otherwise the stress will come out. just like with people, you know. we have basic needs.

tony robins talks about the six basic needs. i'm talking about the dog's seven basic needs. if we don't get our needs met, we'll have issues. if dogs don't get their needs met they will have issues and they are very basic. they are not anything that much out there. >> larry: like, give me an example? >> one of the things for dogs and for people is uncertainty. this morning i worked with a dog who from the breeder, you know, it was really a puppy mill, it was not socialized properly and it was quite abused by the toddler and by the husband, and he now lives his life with total fear, completely afraid that something is going to happen to him. and we have to teach him that he can trust. he can trust that there's nothing wrong going to happen in his life, that when his owner, the man calls him, that he's never going to hit him because he's completely living with fear because certainty is not something that was part of his life, and another thing, another basic need, kind of like why do you go towards sports? because it's fun.

you know -- you have the certainty that it's going to be fun, but you also have the uncertainty when you don't know what the outcome of the game is going to be. the same with a dog. you want to take them every day to do something uncertain with them, to explore, to have an adventure to. have some kind of excursion. not the same kind of boring walk around the block and then you're like god, why is my dog digging now in my new-found garden, you know, because that's exciting. that's new. >> >> larry: she's an amazing woman. "30 days to a well-manner ed dog." my dog needed less than that. more next. hi. you know, if we had let fedex office print our presentation, they could have shipped it too. saved ourselves the hassle. i'm not too sure about this. look at this. [ security agent ] right. you never kick off with sales figures. kicking off with sales figures! i'm yawning. i'm yawning some more. aaaaaaaand... [ snores ]

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breed? >> it doesn't work with the right breed. you have two sons. same mother, same father, same upbringing. do they have the same personality? >> larry: couldn't be more disalike. >> there you go. how can you say, jews, we're all the same, blondes, they're all the same. you can't do that. what it is, you go to the individual dog and see. because oftentimes you get a mutt. when we were all mutts, thank god, you know. and you want to get -- if you get a mutt, you don't know what you're getting. and with a breed, there are certain things that the bred would have like a -- a husky will have different personality than a beagle, but i equate it to an ice cream. when you get ice cream, there's a certain basic way that every ice cream is made. then the little flavor differences. so it's the same with the dog. every dog, doesn't matter if it's a chihuahua or great dane, have the same basic needs. just like with people. doesn't matter if we are larry king or if we are in endia in the slums somewhere. we have basic needs.

so it's not about the right breed necessarily, it's about your lifestyle. if you're going to get a dog that needs a lot of activities, a lot of exercise, do you have that lifestyle? the worst thing people can do is get a dog based on looks because, oh, i love lab doors. yes, but you weigh 700 pound and never leave home. you should not have a working dog because your dog onis from traited. >> -- your dog will be frustrated. >> larry: what about dogs with bad reps, pit bulls, doberman pinschers? >> i have one that's a love bug, biscuits, he's amazing. and pimples also. it's -- there's a lot of stereotyping in pit bulls, unfortunately. and a lot of bad breeding and bad, you know, upbringing in pit bulls. but one dog that get a lot of bad rapp are t-- bad rap are th homes dogs, and it's completely unfounded. people think if i rescue a dog i'm getting a defective dog.

somebody didn't want him. the thing is, somebody didn't want him, it doesn't mean it's a defective dog. does everybody who get a divorce mean it's defective? anyone who ever broke -- somebody being -- i've been dumped, does that mean -- i am defective. you know what i mean? it's kind of like you got to give chance to the dogs to show them who they are. we all have to be like phil jackson. when you put kobe bryant with an average coach, he's not going to be kobe bryant. they pay phil jackson the money they're paying him because he's a phenomenal coach. phenomenal able to take whatever person they bring in front of him and to bring the best out of him. john wooten was another phenomenal example. >> do you ever yell at your dog? >> i do believe in what i call level eight, where i'm raising my voice. because i will never raise my hand. i will will be like -- when i'm training them not to run, we did it with a biscuit, ton run out your home. not going to go outside the

door. and i go, wait, wait! and i'm using a tone of voice which he never hears. and that's why it's effective. if i yell at the dog or use level eight all the time, i will desense tie him. because i'm always -- desensitize him. and because i'm always like, biscuit, wait, he's like, wow, i better listen because i'm not used to hear getting upset with me. then it's become powerful. >> larry: have you ever had a dog you couldn't train? >> in the 22 years i worked with dogs, there was one dog that i couldn't get anything done with. the reason why -- i had no leverage. it didn't care for food. it didn't care for treats. it didn't care for games. it didn't care for toys. it didn't care for love. it didn't care for walks. didn't care for other dogs. it didn't care for anything. >> larry: he works here -- >> he was like a cat. i was like, you know what, you'll -- >> larry: cats are different, completely? >> completely because they're

not social animals. dogs are very much like us. research shows that the animal that's the closest to a toddler and not chimpanzee like we used to think, it's actually a dog. from an emotional point of view and from a developmental point of view. lawyer >> larry: are some breed brighter than others? >> of course, of course. border collies, beyond brilliant, border collies. very few people are worthy of having a border collie. like, i love the look of a border collie. do you have sheep in your back yard? can your dog herd your lifestyle. otherwise he will herd children. he will herd you because you can't take a ferrari and ask it to drive like a smartcar. there are certain things that are factory built in and we have to respect them. >> larry: there are people who love ugly dogs. >> yes. >> larry: we know that with dogs that are ugly. a dog that we love -- >> with the tongue hanging. and no hair. well, the thing of it is with

dogs sometimes they're so ugly that they're cute. >> larry: are female dogs harder to train than male or vice vice-versa? >> absolutely no difference. absolutely. >> larry: with humans there's a difference. >> what's the difference with humans? >> larry: male and female? venus and mars. >> not necessarily training them. you see women and men can do the same job. just we're aptitude. you look at each and say what's your aptitude. >> larry: she's amazing. "30 days to a well-mannered dog." there isn't a better -- are you in the phone book? how do people -- are you hard to get? >> no, i'm on -- you google me, tamerageller.com. >>. >> larry: we will meet biscuit after this. l, let's grow some a" and that's what started it. exxonmobil and synthetic genomics have built a new facility to identify the most productive strains of algae. algae are amazing little critters. they secrete oil, which we could turn into biofuels.

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>> larry: we're back with tamar geller, and here is our dog. actually it's canon's dog, canon's now 10. he got biscuit for christmas 2008. christmas -- when biscuit was about a-month-old. was biscuit hard to train? >> he was phenomenal. and the one was really phenomenal was canon because canon really wanted the dog, as you know, for so long. and -- oh, biscuit, you want to

stay here because you're going to scratch the table. but canon really wanted a dog, and finally when he got a dog, he committed that he will do it. and canon was so enthusiastic. canon was -- you want a treat? and he really did it. we -- we played all the games with biscuit, and he became like biscuit's coach. it became like a sport. and canon couldn't wait to keep practicing with biscuit, and it was so much fun to a 9-year-old being so responsible and so enthused and so consistent. i'm in love with canon, you know. i wish he was a little bit older. >> larry: what is special about the king cavalier breed? >> well, generally speaking, they are very, very kind. however, every breed when it becomes very popular, people start overbreeding them, and then you see some issues. with them you see, unfortunately, they became for popular and you see deaf not with them -- deafness with them. deafness.

you also see aggression. you know, which we never used to see. no, he's the sweetest dog on earth. he is the sweetest. sit, biscuit. good sit. >> larry: do you always breed through the same breeder? >> when they're breeding when they want to keep the breed, yes. >> larry: do you care about that? >> about breeding? no. you know what, when we are putting to sleep about four million dogs every year, i first wish that people would stop breeding. let's take care of the overpopulation and then we'll breed. and if you do breed, i wish only real breeders, people who really care and take the time where they're not breeding just for looks, but they breed for health and for personality. because otherwise the owners will get the dog, it breaks their heart when the dog is sick. >> larry: do we know why biscuit does not bark? >> well, he does bark. >> larry: yeah, when he sees other dogs. that's it. >> because he's content of he is very happy. he's content. he has a great life. he gets all of his seven needs being met by your lovely wife,

canon, you, everybody. >> larry: chance. chance is exceptionable. colorates him. -- will to rates him. >> but canon and shawn are obviously in love with him. >> larry: why do dogs wag their tail? >> just the way we smile. you see when he's really happy, he wags his tail in circles like a helicopter. maybe you're on tv -- thank you. you have to have your manners. you have to have your manners. you can't scratch when you're on tv. but he is absolutely a joy to have around. and i'm like -- he is magnificent. >> larry: he was very easy to train, right? you started one day, the next i did he was housebroken, obeying. >> yes. but i have to say it's with every dog. when you use the love-dog method, it's so easy. the reason why, your dog becomes your willing partner. we do not make the dog submissive. we do not become the leader of the pack. we become coach, and the dog becomes play partner. we become a team. when you do it that way --

>>. >> larry: you don't like the word discipline, right? >> i really don't like the word discipline. phil jackson doesn't dismen kobe bryant. it's like -- discipline kobe bryant. it's like it's about coaching. they come to us with instincts. we have to teach them conscious choice. like we teach toddlers. when they're young, they want something, they grab it. you tell them no, they cry. we teach them, no, you say please, then we give it to them. we coach our young, we don't discipline them. we coach them. it's the same with dogs. it's not like they know, and they're doing it anyhow. despite the fact that they know just to upset you. they don't know. so it's up to us to coach them and be kind to them. >> larry: do they talk to each other, dogs? >> absolutely they talk to each other. but they talk to each other with body language and with games. oh, it's very fun to see biscuit the way he plays. he talks one way to one dog and another way to another dog. all dogs are just like us.

>> larry: you're a doll. >> thank you, larry. >> larry: israel's loss was our gain. thanks to biscuit, his initial television appearance. >> look at that face. >> larry: "30 days to a well-mannered dog," "new york times" best selling author, tamar geller. next, one of the world's most powerful women. fortunat, the #1 most doctor-prescribed biologic medicine for ra. enbrel can help relieve pain, stiffness, fatigue, and stop joint damage. because enbrel suppresses your immune system, it may lower your ability to fight infections. serious, sometimes fatal, events including infections, tuberculosis, lymphoma, and other cancers, and nervous system and blood disorders have occurred. before starting enbrel, your doctor should test you for tuberculosis. ask your doctor if you live or have lived in an area where certain fungal infections are common. don't start enbrel if you have an infection like the flu. tell your doctor if you're prone to infections, have cuts or sores, have had hepatitis b,

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lore -- tloir's an honor to welcome you to "larry king live." chairman of the carlson companies, she received rig for the hotels restaurants, traveling and marketing. and her book is "how we lead matters: reflections on a life of relationship." you're the first ceo, first female ceo of a major company? >> oh, i think there might have been a couple before me. jill berrad at --

>> larry: the toy company. >> the toy company, et cetera. one of the early ones. i hate to admit it, but it's true. it was very exciting. >> larry: what are the carlson companies, what do they do? >> carlson is travel and hospitality company. we have 1,000 hotels, radisson, country inthe inns and suites, inns, tgi fridays, countries with hotels and restaurant -- >> larry: i helped you make it. >> you are. >> larry: are you retired or -- >> i'm the chairman. >> larry: you remain chairman? >> right. >> larry: tell me about the book, "how we leave matters: reflections on life." what prompted you to write it? >> well, i didn't expect to write a book. one day my grandson, jamie, who was 12 at the time said -- they

call me mame, said, "mame, were you alive during segregation?" at first i thought he thought the civil war. then i realized he was probably studying civil rights and the '60s. and that was when i came out of school. and i also started thinking, there's a real chance that my grandchildren won't ever really know what i fought for, what i stood for. they'll see mia the person who was on the sidelines for soccer games and hockey games, et cetera so i started writing little stories. and i put a piece of poetry with them because i love poetry, and i thought sometimes it makes the point. and they were very accessible stories. everything from meeting -- from serving brats and beer to the kgb to going to china and working with madam chan, one of the wealthiest women in china, and how we became so close and never spoke a word in our -- in the same language.

to the gerbils. and how i had a test of my integrity when one of my younger daughters brought the gerbils home. but all little stories that were insights into moments in my life where i kind of had an aha. i saw something about leadership or i saw something about accountability. larry, if i could give them only one gift, i'd ask them not to point fingers and always say why doesn't someone else fix it. but to take hand and fix it -- >> larry: could you teach leadership? >>y am. i am teaching. >> larry: you don't believe in born leader? >> yes, i think there is -- i think there is -- aristotle said lock for the children born with gold this them. i think there are some human beings who have a natural caring for others and natural energy and desire to make a difference.

i know hubert humphrey said once that you could tell a leader because they would be -- they felt like everything was their responsibility. they wanted to fix their friends' children's diseases or they wanted to pick up something off the floor if there was something left on the floor. and -- but i've been teaching corporate responsibility, and i do think you can -- you can learn to be an integrative thinker. that you can begin to understand that there are relationships beyond the obvious, and that sometimes -- actually, i happen to think women are particularly good at it. that -- i think you need connect the dots. it's something you do. you're a genius at that. >>. >> larry: oh, stop. >> you can see relationships. some people are linear, and they just don't recognize that there's ex-ternalities to every decision and that these decisions are complex. and tomorrow's leaders, i think,

are going to need to partner. i think government won't be able to do it alone. mgos won't be able to do it alone. and business as multinationala it is can partner. we can solve big problems together. >> larry: "how we lead matters." the divest, the extraordinary marilyn carlson nelson, subtitles, "reflects of life of leadership." s... daytime running lamps... "onstar automatic crash response. "in case ya didn't see it, that's probably why "msn autos called the cruze "the class of its class right now. that seems pretty clear, doesn't it?" the all-new chevrolet cruze. starting under $17,000. get used to more. ♪

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ca ca carlson nelson. this book was published by accident? meaning? >> yes, after jamie asked me about my reflects and i started reflecting and putting it on paper, some of the executives started asking me if they could have copies. then i got word i wanted it to be so honest. it talks about everything from how i. becoming ceo to having a hysterectomy to how i. when i lost a daughter in an automobile accident. and it's all very, very personal. and i sent it to a friend who actually without asking sent it to mcgraw-hill. so unlike most people who shop their books -- i got a call that mcgraw-hill wanted to publish this. i should send some more stories. and they laughed because they say i'm the only one that's ever sat there and said "you don't really think someone would want to read it, do you?"

and they said, are you talking us out of publish iing your boo? i. like someone was going to have the keys to my diary a bit. >> larry: do you know david gerg gergen? extraordinary guy. >> i know david gergen. i'm on the deans council at the kennedy center and work with david gergen from team to time. he is nurturing public sector leader. i think he's one of the best examples of true leadership. >> larry: he's special. how old was your daughter when she died? >> 19. >> larry: how did you deal with that? >> how do you deal with it? i think first of all you -- you go through all the steps, everybody send you books telling you that you're going to go through the steps, and you think, oh, good, i'm a smart person, i can skip a few. but you don't. you go through depression and anger and they tell you that you're probably going to get a divorce because there's a high

probability. but my husband and i almost 50 years now together. we -- we just clung to each other and slowly but surely, we tried to make sense of it. >> larry: have other children? >> we have three other children. >> larry: did that help? >> i'd say at the time i thought when people would say, you have other children, it was like they're not -- no one's replaceable. i mean, they're not interchangeable. but i'm sure when i have friends who have lost an only child and how lonely it is, i'm blessed and we are blessed. but the interesting thing, larry, is that as we started to try to come to grips with it, what we are more awear of than anything was she didn't have any more time. and we had time. and the fact that her life was cut off made us realize that

ours could be cut off any minute. and we wanted to use our days. so my husband became vicemedtro. he was a surgeon before that. he thought maybe he could use his scientific understanding to help more people. and i became just convinced that i wanted every day to matter. so at night when i go to bed and i pull back the covers, i ask myself -- if i were an artist and today was a painting, would i step back and say i'll sign my name to that? and some days i can sign my name to. i've lived up to what i'd like to be. i've been loving. i've been forgiving. i've raps, you know, struck a blow for things that i believe in and haven't walked away. some days i don't.

but just going through the exercise kind of commits me to trying to use those days to cherish the people i love, to try to make the world a more inclusive place. and to use her needless deaths as long as i have breath to make a difference. >> larry: the book, "how we lead matters: reflections on a life upon hi." the guest is marlin carlson nelson. hi, may i help you? yes, we're looking to save on car insurance, even if that means we have to shop all day, right, honey? yep, all day. good thing you're starting here. we compare your progressive direct rate to other top companies', so you can save money! look! we saved a lot! and quick, too. and no more holding her purse!

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>> larry: marilyn carlson nelson is the best, the book is "how we lead matters." david gergen wrote the forward which is pretty good for anybody, get a forward written by anyonea learned and knowledgeable as mr. gergen. published by mcgraw-hill. there's still a shortage of female ceos, right? >> there is. >> larry: why? >> i don't think there's going to be actually, larry. i think right now we have 44% of the people getting mbas are women. it used to be less than 30. so i think that's one ticket that a lot of people need to check off. i don't think it's essential that you have an mba, butty think the culture looks to that as one of the steps. we have 60% of the undergraduate degrees now going to women. 60%. there's two for -- for every two men graduating from undergraduate, three women are graduating.

over half of the lawyers, law school and medical school. so it's important, the pool is there. and i think the demographics are in our favor that if -- >> larry: yeah. >> if you can say if our favor. the fact is that we're going to be, in our country, we're barely replacing ourselves with two children. western europe is less than replacing themselves. and today it's not really in the post industrial world. it's not how strong you are or how tall and muscular you are. it's really how you can vision and lead and collaborate, and i think that women are going to partner with men, and i actually think there's going to be that kind of wonderful energy. we got great energy with some of the immigrants who came to our country. my dwrath who came from sweden. i -- grandfather who came from sweden, i mean, so excited. >> larry: do you think we'll see a woman president?

>> we almost did. we almost did. and a very strong and capable woman. i think we will, of course, one day. a woman president -- >> larry: there are women leader in other countries. >> fantastic. i think so often -- i've met with several of them. and even some that are in the more traditional leadership roles. queen sylvia of sweden has become a very dear friend. we've been working -- she created something called the world childhood foundation. and she invited our family, my sister barbara heads our family founding. she invited us to participate with her in creating the world childhood foundation which was to deal with street children. and then of course we backed into a subject that you've been rooking at recently because these street children, especially runaway girls, but even little boys are so vulnerable to being trafficked.

it is 21st century slavery. and i guess if i had to describe myself, i think one of the sdriptors i would use would be i like to think of myself as a 21st century abolitionist because we're in the travel business, we discovered that a lot of this plays out through travel and tourism. that there are over 2.5 million children being trafficked for sexual purposes around the world. and when i heard that 45% of the travelers to go see angervot are going there to use though children or buy those children, i thought we have to do something. so carlson was the first, and i have to say so far the only significant travel or hotel

company in the united states to sign on to end child trafficking with the ecpat, a subsidiary of the united nations. and it was queen sylvia really who said you have a platform, use it. >> larry: and we have not seen the last of you and me. >> that's good. >> larry: i have idea -- you are an extraordinary lady. >> i'm so glad to see you. lo >> larry: did you know that bat sending and mice giggle? agic ha. [ kim ] people know a lot of things about me, but no one needs to know about my condition. thanks to depend®, they don't. [ female announcer ] now the best protection also comes in new prints and colors.

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>> larry: dr. karen schoener is a neuropsychologist and a former white house consultant. she's co-author of a terrific new book "bats sing, mice giggle." the surprising science of animals' inner lives. dr. schoener worked at the life sciences department including animal research on memory and nothing theory, a peace corps consultant in somalia, a skunt ant for the wildlife conservator, and a frequent lecturer at the smithsonian. how did you even get in to do this research? how did this come about? >> well as you know, i've dealt with people for many years as a clinical and neuropsychologist. we're doing something for the smithsonian on the emotional brain, and when we showed the audience pictures of animals and the emotion in the animals, specifically bats especially, the whole audience was

entranced, and suddenly it was as if they were drawn to something that was so fascinating to them, and it explained to them a lot of their actions. so after that event, i thought, let me deal with animals. let's find out what's really out there, and my mind was blown. when i gathered the research together, and as of this may, how animals predict earthquakes, how they really communicate with each other. their emotions, how they play. some of the courting habits they have including deception. and really how they grieve those -- those that they've lost and how closely they communicate with each other. a lot of things as humans we can learn. >> larry: have you been interested before all this in the animal species and their relation to us? >> well, at stanford i -- of course, as a psychologist, i had

done some research on memory and on animal behavior. and then over the years, i have had a lot of animals and then living in africa for quite a while. so i've always been interested, and i live in washington, d.c., basically in the park. in rock creek park. so it's as if i'm surrounded by a lot of wildlife. but i'll tell you, after i wrote this book and gathered all of this together, i have totally changed in terms of what i understand that's happening around me. the mint i walk out -- minute i walk out my door to realize that underground a mole is communicating with another mole 100 yards away by hitting his head on the tunnel and the other has his jaw listening to the code or how insects are sending vibrations to each other and the code there, as well, it is amazing. that's why "animals" is the

first book to show how animals predict earthquakes, for example. how they know when the hurricanes are coming. and as well as how they migrate. how do they know how to get where they're going. as of april, we have just found that there's something in the migrating bird's eye, the criptochrome of programming that they can see the horizon turns purple, and they can see the magnetic lines of the earth, and they have now found out that bats, those that are migrating, not echo locating where they're using sound in local areas, but when they start out to migrate as they leave the cave, just a little bit of the sun in sunset strikes their eye a certain way, and they also can see the magnetic leans of the earth and know which way to fly. >> larry: when dogs are barking, are they talking to each other? >> they may be talking to each

other. and they may be talking to us. they can certainly understand most of what we're saying. they just don't have the mechanism to talk back. they may be certainly sending out signals and saying stay away. or, i'm agitated, or i'm -- i'm very anxious about all of this. i'm afraid. certainly before earthquakes, everybody talks about, well, my dog was barking like crazy just before the earthquake. or the cat was acting -- trying to get out of the house. >> larry: yeah. >> even the worms were coming out of the room. but with dogs, of course, there's a lot of communication they're giving off. they're often trying to tell us something, and we just are -- are just learning how to listen and to know what the messages are. ♪

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died and no animals. this is how we connect the dots in terms of what happens with earthquakes because there are a lot of different types of earthquakes at different levels. we talk about the different waves that create earthquakes or the humidity. animals pick upon on humidity that may be there. electrical changes in the earth. electromagnetic changes in the earth. even the tilting, every earthquake, the earth tilts a little bit. all of this, the animals -- certain animals especially sense this, and other animals know to look for that communication. i go in great deal throughout the book explaining how in fact animals do predict earthquakes. >> larry: as i said, it's a terrific book. and my quote's on the cover, "bats sing, mice giggle." a recent world news story reported there's new scientific evidence that parrots can dance to a tune and even rock and roll. here's a look at snowball. a dancing cockatoo who proves we're not the only creatures who

like music. watch. ♪ [ laughter ] >> parrots have a great sense of humor, and they make up their own jokes. you should have a parrot come on. alex the parrot used to do that. certainly a lot of -- especially african gray parrots. they are quite witty. and of course because we have taught them to talk our language, we even know the jokes that they're telling, and -- but there are many animals that have a great sense of humor. i have a whole chapter on how animals play. even ants, it turns out, have a sense of play. they actually have little sword fight with each other. that's according to e.o. wilson, professor at harvard, who has studied this. so animals have a sense of humor. they have fun. and they also very often entertain each other.

it's time for us to appreciate everything that's happy. sucha the fireflies, for example. how they synchronize their lights together. or singing crickets or cicada, suddenly it all becomes synchronized like the clapping of an audience in a synchronized way of communicating and coming together. >> larry: this is an amazing week. "bird doing -- birds doing push yips, progress, do you think we'll learn a lot? there are a lot of ways we can connect with the animal world. but i don't know a better one than "bats sing, mice giggle." one other thing, what do you want people to take away from this? >> i want them to realize how much is happening around them. and an election trekkal level, electromagnetically the vibrations around them, the communication. i say to people when i talk at zoos, i say, when you visit a zoo, what do you think the animals are saying about you? and they are saying something. we are all communicated and