their killers thought no one would care. but everyone is somebody's somebody. these are not the faces of the forgotten. larry: tonight, the inner lives of animals. do your pets think? do they understand or just react? are they more like us than we know? experts are here with some intriguing answers. plus, one of the most successful and powerful women in america. tells us how to survive in a dog eat dog world of business.

learn how to take a bite out of the competition next on "larry king live." good evening. tamara geller is the dog expert and trainer. her clients include oprah winfrey, ben affleck, courteney cox arquette and yours truly, yeah. she's the best selling author of "love dog" and "30 days to a well-mannered dog. "we'll be joined by biscuit king soon. you were in the israeli army, right? >> yes. i used to be an intelligence officer and i worked with the special forces. >> larry: what took you to dog training? >> you know, it is all about strategic planning. all about thinking you have plan a and if that doesn't work with plan b and plan c and when i was in the army, how they trained the dogs way back then, i didn't like it and i had the opportunity to go down 0 the

desert in israel and study wolves and when i realized that everything that the wolves did was done through games, all right, not through being alpha or any of that stuff, none of that, i realized that's the way to do it and when i tried those games, those specific games on my dogs, they were like, ah, finally, somebody who speak my language. >> larry: what were their doing with wolves? >> i was just observing the behavior. >> larry: what brought you to the united states? >> i wasn't planning to come here. i came for a visit. i went to two weeks for southeast asia and then stayed for a year and my ticket ended here in los angeles and when i landed, i saw that going to be a pink floyd concert in a month and i was like, ah, i'm already on the road way longer than i planned let me stay and watch pink floyd and while i was waiting i apprenticed, volunteered with dog trainers and they got a call that a

troker spaniel was stealing socks from the owner. they were like, i don't want to go there. i go there. i see what's going on. i'm telling the owner, the dog is looking for your attention. the owner is saying i'm home all day. i'm saying, yeah, but all you do is that. the dog sees your back unless he steals your socks. we changed it where when the dog stole socks, the owner ignored him and played a lot of games other times. a week later, the guy, my client, get it is grammy becoming a huge success. his name is kenny g, the saxophone player. >> larry: oh, wow. >> kenny referred to nick let sheridan, whoopi goldberg, 22 years ago. >> larry: that's how long you've been doing this? >> yeah. >> larry: do you continue ever to train them after puppies? brush-up sessions? >> there's no need if the owner is keeping it up because what it is is turning it into a life

style where it's not like concentrated. it is like the way you eat. you cannot eat healthy for a week and then binge and be healthy. same with a dog. you cannot love your kids or spouse 15 minutes in the morning and night. it is a part of your life. >> larry: okay. what's -- the goal in training a -- do you ever hit a dog? >> every day. never! ever. >> larry: never hit a dog? >> never, ever would you ever hit a child? >> larry: what about a dog made doody in the house, put the nose in it and hit them? >> absolutely not and the reason is you don't have a problem with the dog doing his duty but the location. so by you putting -- sticking the nose in his mess, you are not conveying what your issue is and what happens unfortunately with punishment unwelcomed circumstances is that the dog afraid to go to the bathroom now and then they eat the poop trying to hide the evidence or go in closets or whatever. never go in front of you taking

it for a walk and 20 minutes and the dog is like, i'm not taking a chance. he's crazy last time i did it. you know? it is like you got to be very clear and oftentimes even with people relationships, we think about conveying a message and we are not. >> larry: what's the toughest part -- the toughest thing for a dog to learn? >> toughest thing for a dog to learn? >> larry: what you think is tough. >> nothing really tough for them to learn because it's easy. where they're feeling like, we're going to learn and have fun. you know? it's really extremely difficult to own a dog to be alone all day. you know? that's the top -- >> larry: many are, right? >> that's the toughest thing. they need to be with others. so to leave them alone all day, that is something that is extremely stressful for a dog. and that's why we have to come up with ways where alleviates their stress, otherwise the stress will come out just like with people. you know, we have basic needs.

tony robbins talks about the six basic human needs. i talk about the seven basic needs. if we don't have our needs met, we will have issues. dogs will have issues. they're basic. not anything that much out there. >> larry: like? give me an example. >> one of the things for dogs and for people to have certainty. this morning, i worked with a dog who formed a breeder, it was really a puppy mill, it was not socialized properly and abused by the toddler and the husband and he now is living life total fear, completely afraid that smk going to happen to him. and we have to teach him that he can trust. he can trust that there's nothing wrong going to happen in his lifer. when his owner, the man calls him he is never going to hit him. he is living with fear. certainty is not something that was part of his life. another thing, another basic need is like why do you go to watch sports?

it is fun. you know -- you have a certainty that it's fun and you have the uncertainty where you don't know what the outcome of the game going to be. the same with a dog. you want to take them every day to do something uncertain with them. explore. have an adventure, an excursion. not just the same boring walk around the block. and then you're like, god, why is my dog digging in my newfound garden? that's exciting. that's new. >> larry: she's an amazing woman. "30 days to a well-mannered dog." honest, my dog, she needed less than that. love dog method. we'll be right back. did you know prilosec otc

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right breed. you have two sons. same mother, same father, same upbringing. do they have the same personality? >> larry: disalike. >> there you go. there you go. how can you say, jews, we're all the same. blonds, we're all the same. you can't do that. what it is you really go with the individual dog and you see because oftentimes you get a mutt. we're all mutts, thank god. you know? >> larry: we are. >> and you want to get a mutt then you don't really know what you are getting. with the breed, there's certain things that the breed would have like a husky will have different personality than a beagle but i equate it with an ice cream. getting an ice cream, there's a certain basic way that every ice cream is made. all right? then the little flavor differences. same with a dog. every dog doesn't mat ear chihuahua or a great dane have the same basic needs just like with people. doesn't matter larry king or in india in the slums somewhere. you know? we have basic needs. so, it's not about the right breed, necessarily.

it's about your lifestyle. if you're going to get a dog that needs a lot of activities, exercise, do you have that lifestyle? and the worst thing people can do is get a dog based on looks because, oh, i love labradors. yes. but you're weighing 700 pounds and never leave your home. you should not have a working dog because, you know, your dog will be frustrated. >> larry: how about dogs that get a bad rap, pit bulls doeber pinchers. >> mine is magnificent and a love bug and biscuits, very, very good friend and he is amazing and pit bulls, also. there's stereotyping in pit bulls, unfortunately. there's bad breeding and bad, you know, upbringing in pit bulls but a dog that gets a lot of bad rap where the homeless dogs and it is unfounded. and the reason why a lot of people think if i 'll rescue a dog, it's a defective dog. somebody didn't want him and the thing is somebody didn't want

him doesn't mean it's a defective dog. does everyone that get a divorce defective. i've been dumped. i am defective but you know what i mean. it is like you have to give chance to the dogs to show them who they are. we all have to be like phil jackson. where when you put kobe bryant with an average coach, he's not going to be kobe bryant. the pay phil jackson the money they do because he's a phenomenal coach, phenomenal ability to take whatever person they bring in front of him to bring the best out of him. john wooden was another phenomenal example. >> larry: do you ever yell at your dog? >> i do believe in level eight, raising the voice. i would never raise my hands so i will be like, when they're like -- when i'm training them not to run, biscuit not to run outside your home, not to go out the front door and i'll go, wait! wait! you know?

and i'm using a tone of voice he never hears and that's why it's effective. if i yell at the dog or use level eight all the time i will desensitize him. biscuit, wow, that's great. you know? when i do use biscuit, wait! he's like, wow. i better listen because i'm not used to her getting upset with me. then it's become powerful. >> larry: you have a dog you couldn't train? >> in the 22 years that i worked with dogs, there was one dog that i could not get anything done with and the reason why, i have no leverage. didn't care for food. didn't care for treats. didn't care for toys or walks or love. other dogs. he didn't care for anything. >> larry: he was here. >> he was like a cat. you know? so i was like, you know what? you're fine as you are. >> larry: cats can different. >> completely. they're not social animals. dogs are like us and research

shows that the animal closest to a toddler is not chimpanzee, it is a dog. from an emotional point of view and from a developmental point of view. >> larry: some breeds brighter than others? >> of course, of course. we are border collies out of the charts. >> larry: smart? >> beyond brilliant. border collies. very few people worthy of a border collie and it is like i love the look. do you have sheep in your backyard? you know? can your dog herd, you know -- >> larry: that's what they do. >> he will herd your children and you. because you can't take a ferrari and ask it to drive like a smart car. >> larry: there are people that love ugly dogs. >> yes. >> larry: we know that there are dogs that are ugly, right? >> yes, yes. with the tongue hanging and no hair. well the thing of it is dogs so ugly that they're cute. you know? they're like --

>> larry: are female dogs harder to train or vice versa? >> no difference. absolutely no difference. absolutely none. >> larry: none at all? >> i mean it is like -- >> larry: humans, there's a difference? >> i'm sorry? >> larry: with humans, there's a difference. >> what's the difference with human? >> larry: male and female? >> not necessarily training them. you see women and men can do the same job. it just -- aptitude. when you look at each one, what is your aptitude? >> larry: she's amazing. the new book "30 days to a well-mannered dog." there is a better -- are you in the phone book? hard to get? >> no. google me. >> larry: we'll meet biscuit after this. ...authentic... ...pure... and also delicious. ♪ like nature valley. granola bars made with crunchy oats

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>> larry: we're back with tamara geller and here's our dog. it's canaan's dog. he's 10. he got biscuit for christmas 2008. christmas was -- biscuit was about a month old. was biscuit hard to train? >> he was phenomenal and canaan wanted a dog for so long. and -- oh, biscuit. stay here on the rug.

but canaan really wanted a dog and finally when he got a dog, he committed that he will do it and canaan was so enthusiastic. >> larry: he loves the dog. >> we played all the games with biscuit and he became like biscuit's coach. it became like a sport and canaan couldn't wait to practice with biscuit and so much fun to see a 9-year-old so responsible and so enthused and so consistent. i medium in love with canaan. you know? i wish he was a little bit older. >> larry: what is special about the king cavalier breed? >> well, generally speaking, they're very, very kind. however, every breed when it becomes very popular, people start overbreeding them and then you see some issues. >> larry: really? >> with them, you see, unfortunately, very popular and you see deafness with them. you see a -- deafness. you also see aggression. you know? >> larry: not with him.

>> he is the sweetest dog on earth. he is the sweetest. sit. >> larry: should you breed to the same breed? >> well, when they're breeding and keep the breed, yes. you know? >> larry: do you care about that? >> about breeding? no. you know what? when we are putting to sleep 4 million dogs every year, i first wish that people would stop breeding. take care of the overpopulation and then breed f. you do breed, i wish only really real breeders, people that really care and take the time where they're not breeding just for looks but for health and they breed for personality. because otherwise, the owners who get the dog, it breaks the heart. >> larry: do we know why biscuit does not bark? >> he does when he sees other dogs. he is content. he is very happy. he's content. he has a great life. he gets all of the seven needs being met by your lovely wife shawn and canaan and you and everybody.

>> larry: chance is -- >> less involved. >> larry: tolerates. >> canaan and shawn madly in love with him. you know? >> larry: why do dogs wag their tail? >> just the way we smile. just the way we smile. you see when he's really happy, wags the tail in circles like a helicopter. really cute. you can really tell -- baby, you are on tv. thank you. you have to have your manners. you have to have your manners. you can't scratch when you are on tv. he is absolutely a joy to have around and i'm like -- >> larry: he was very easy to train, right? started one day and then next day house broken. obeying. >> yes. but i have to say it's with every dog. if you use the love dog method, it is so easy. your dog become your willing partner. we don't make the dog submissive or the leader of the pack. we become coach and the dog becomes a play partner. we are a team. when you do that way -- >> larry: you don't like door discipline?

>> i don't. phil jackson don't discipline kobe bryant. it is about coaching. they come to us with the instincts. and we have to teach them how to make conscious choice. like the way we teach toddlers. you know? when they're young, they want something. they grab it. you tell them no, they cry. we have to teach them no, no, no. you say please and then we give it to them. we coach. we don't discipline them. we coach them. same with dogs. it is not like they know and doing it anyhow. despite the fact they know just to upset you. they don't know. so it's up to us to coach them and be kind to them. >> larry: do they talk to each other, dogs? >> absolutely they talk to each other. but they talk to each other with body language and games. biscuit talks one way to one dog and another way to another dog. >> larry: you are a doll.

israel's loss was our gain. this is biscuit. thanks for being with us, biscuit. initial television appearance. look at that face. 30 days to a well-mannered dog. that's the new book. "the new york times" best selling author. tamar geller. next, one of the world's most powerful women with advice for all of us.

it is an honor to welcome mara. former ceo of the carlson companies, she received a global recognition of the hotels and

restaurants, travel and marketing services. named one of the america's best leaders of "u.s. news & world report" and how we lead matters: reflections on a life of leadership." you're the first ceo, first female ceo of a major company? >> i think there might have been a company before me. maybe jill barad at the toy company. et cetera. but one of the early ones, i hate to admit it but it's true. it was very exciting. >> larry: what do the carlson companies do? >> it is travel and hospitality company. we have a thousand hotels. >> larry: oh. >> radisson, country inn and suites, park plaza, park inns. we have tgi friday's all over the world. 160 countries of hotels. >> larry: i thought we would help you make it. >> oh, well, you are. you are.

>> larry: what are you, retired? >> i'm the chairman. >> larry: you remain chairman? >> right. >> larry: tell me about the book. "how we lead: reflections on a life of leadership." foreword by our own david gergen. what prompts you to write it? >> i didn't expect to write a book. one day my grandson jamie who was 12 at the time said, they call me maim. said, maim, were you alive during segregation? i wondered if he thought the civil war and then i realized he was probably studying civil rights, and the '60s, and that was when i came out of school and i also started thinking, there's a real chance that my grandchildren won't ever really know what i fought for, what i stood for. you know, they'll see me as the person who was on the sidelines for soccer games and hockey games, et cetera. i started writing little stories

and i put a piece of poetry with them because i loved poetry and i thought sometimes it makes the point. and they were very accessible stories. everything from meeting -- from serving brats and beer to the kgb to going to china and working with madame khan, one of the wealthiest women in china and how we became so close and never spoke a word in the same language. to the gerbils and how i had a test of my integrity when one of my younger daughters brought the gerbils home but all little stories that were insights into moments in my life where i kind of had an a-ha. i saw something about leadership or i saw something about accountability. larry, if i could give them only one gift, i'd ask them not to point fingers and always say, why does someone else fix it but to take hands and fix it. >> larry: could you teach leadership? >> i am teaching.

>> larry: you can? >> i am teaching. >> larry: you don't believe in born leaders? >> yes. i think there is -- i think there is -- well, aristotle said look for the children with gold in them. i think there are some human beings who have a natural caring for others and natural energy, and a desire to make a difference. i know hubert humphrey said once you could tell a leader because they felt like everything was their responsibility. they wanted to fix their friend's children's diseases or they wanted to pick up something off the floor if there was something left on the floor and -- but i've been teaching corporate responsibility and i do think you can -- you can learn to be an integrative thinker. you can begin to understand there are relationships beyond the obvious and that sometimes

-- actually, i happen to think women are particularly good at it. that -- because i think you need to connect the dots. it's something you do. i mean, you are a genius at that. you can see relationships. some people are very linear and they just don't recognize that there's externalities to every decision and the decisions are complex. and tomorrow's leaders, i think, are going to need to partner. i think government won't be able to do it alone. ngos won't be able to do it alone and business as multi-nationals can partner and solve some of the big problems together. >> larry: the guest is marilyn carlson nelson. what a life. we'll be right back. are benefit that may qualify you for a new power chair or scooter at little or no cost to you.

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>> larry: we are back with marilyn carlson nelson. this book published by accident? >> it was published by accident, yes. >> larry: meaning? >> after yeah my asked me about my reflections and i started reflecting and putting it on paper, some of the executives started asking me if they could have copies and then i got worried. i wanted it to be so honest. it talks about everything from how i felt becoming ceo to having hysterectomy to how i felt when i lost a daughter in

an automobile accident and it's all very, very personal. and i sent it to a friend who actually without asking sent it to mcgraw hill so unlike most people who shop their books and i got a call that mcgraw hill wanted to publish this. i should send some more stories. they laugh because i'm the only one that sat there and said, no one wants to read it do they? i felt like someone would have the keys to my diary a little get. >> larry: do you know david gergen? >> i do. i'm blessed to be on the dean's council at the kennedy center and to work from time to time with david gergen. and he is nurturing public sector leaders. i think he's one of the best examples of true leadership. >> larry: how old was your daughter when she died? >> 19.

>> larry: how did you deal with that? >> how do you deal with it? i think first of all you -- you go through all the steps. everybody sends you books telling you that you're going to go through the steps and you think, oh good, i'm a smart person. i can skip a few but you don't. you go through depression and anger and they tell you that you're probably going to get a divorce because there's a high probability but my husband and i almost 50 years now together. we just clung to each other and slowly but surely we tried to make sense of it. >> larry: have other children? >> we have three other children. >> larry: did that help? >> i'd say at the time i thought when people'd say you have other children, it was like, they're not -- no one's replaceable. i mean, they're not

interchangeable but i'm sure when i have friends who have lost an only child and how lonely it is, i'm blessed and we are blessed but the interesting thing, larry, is that as we started to try to come to grips with it, what we were more aware of than anything was that she didn't have anymore time. and we had time. and the fact that her life was cut off made us realize that ours could be cut off. any minute. and we wanted to use our days so my husband became vice chairman of the medtronic. he was a surgeon before that. he felt like maybe he could use his scientific understanding to help more people. and i became just convinced that i wanted every day to matter. so at night when i go to bed and i pull back the covers, i ask myself if i were an artist and today was a painting, would i

step back and say, i'll sign my name to that? and some days i can sign my name to -- i've kind of lived up to what i'd like to be. i've been loving. i've been forgiving. i've perhaps struck a blow for things that i believe in and haven't walked away. some days i don't. but just going through the exercise kind of commits me to trying to use those days to cherish the people i love, to try to make the world a more inclusive place and to use her needless death as long as i have breath to make a difference. >> larry: the book "how we lead matters qumplt reflections on a life of leadership." some more moments after this. ur.

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>> larry: marilyn carlson nelson is the guest. "how we lead matters." david gergen wrote the foreword which is good for anybody to get a foreword written by someone as wonderful as mr. gergen. published by mcgraw hill. there's stale shortage of female ceos, right? >> there is. >> larry: why? >> i don't think there's going to be, actually, larry. i think right now we have 44% of the people getting mbas are women.

it used to be less than 30% so i think that's one ticket that a lot of people need to check off. i don't think it's essential that you have an mba but i think the culture kind of looks to that as one of the steps. we have 60% of the undergraduate degrees now are going to women, 60%. there's two for every two men graduating from undergraduate, three women are graduating. over half of the lawyers, law school, and medical school. so it's important. the pool is there. and i think the demographics are in our favor that if you can say in our favor. the fact is that we're going to be, you know, in our country, we're barely replacing ourselves with two children. western europe is less than replacing themselves. and today it's not really in the post industrial world, it is not how strong you are or how tall and muscular you are.

it's really how you can vision and lead and collaborate and i think women are going to partner with men and i actually think there's going to be that kind of wonderful energy. we got great energy with some of the immigrants who came to our country. my grandfather who came from sweden, i mean, so full of energy and excited. >> larry: think we'll see a woman president? >> we almost did. >> larry: almost did. >> we almost did and a very strong and capable woman. i think we will, of course, one day. i think we'll see a woman president. and -- >> larry: a great women leaders in other countries. >> fantastic. i -- i think so often -- i have met with several of them, and even some that are in the more traditional leadership roles, queen sill via of sweden has become a very dear friend. we had been working -- she created the world childhood foundation and she invited our family, my sister barbara heads

our family foundation and she came and invited us to participate with her in creating the world childhood foundation which was to deal with street children. and then, of course, we backed into a subject that you have been looking at recently because these street children, especially runaway girls, but even little boys, are so vulnerable to being trafficked. it is 21st century slavery. and i guess if i had to describe myself i think one of the descripters i would use would be i like to think of myself as a 21st century abolitionist because we are in the travel business. we discovered that a lot of this plays out through travel and tourism. that there are over 2.5 million children being trafficked for

sexual purposes around the world. and when i heard that 45% of the travelers to go see angervot are going there to use those children or to buy those children, i thought, we have to do something. and so, carlson was the first and i have to say so far the only significant travel or hotel company in the united states to sign on to end child trafficking with the subsidiary of the united nations. >> larry: yeah. >> and it was queen sill via who said, you have a platform, use it. >> larry: we have not seen the last of you and me. >> that's good. >> larry: i have ideas. you are an extraordinary lady. >> i'm so glad to see you. >> larry: the book "how we lead matters: reflections of a life of leadership." the extraordinary marilyn carlson nelson. did you know bats sing and mice

giggle? it's true. we'll talk about it next.

>> larry: dr. karen chaner is a former white house consultant, co-author of a terrific new book, "bats sing, mice giggle: the surprising science of animals' inner lives." doctor, she worked at the life sciences department and research on memory and information theory, a peace corps science teacher in somalia, a consultant for the wildlife conservatory and a free lecturer for the smithsonian. how did this come about? >> as you know i've dealt with people for several years and we're doing something for the smithsonian on the emotional brain and when we showed the audience pictures of animals and the emotion in the animals, specifically bats especially, the whole audience was entranced and suddenly it was as if they were drawn to something that was

so fascinating to them, and it explained to them a lot of their actions so after that event, i thought, let me deal with animals. let's find out what's out there and my mind was blown when i gathered the research together. and as of this may, how animals predict earthquakes, how they really communicate with each other. how did you even come about to do this research? how did this come back? >> well, as you know, i've dealt with people for many years as a clinical and neuropsychologist. we're doing something for the smithsonian on the emotional brain and when we showed the audience the emotion in the

animals, specifically bats especially, the whole audience was entranced, and suddenly it was as if they were drawn to something that was so fascinating to them, and it explained to them a lot of their actions. so after that event i thought let me deal with animals. let's find out what's really out >> well, at stanford i, of course, as a psychologist had done some research on memory and animal behavior, and then over the years i have had a lot of animals and then living in africa for quite a while so i've always been interested and i live in washington, d.c. basically in the park in, rock creek park, so it's as if i'm surrounded by a lot of wildlife, but i'll tell you. after i wrote this book and gathered all of this together, i have totally changed in terms of what i understand that's happening around me. the minute i walk out my door, to realize that underground a little mole is communicating with another mole 100 yards away by hitting his head against the tunnel and the other one has his little jaw right there listening to the code, or how insects are actually sending out certain vibrations to each other and the code that is there as well. it is amazing, larry, and that's why animals, it's the first book to show how animals predict earthquakes, for example, how they know when the hurricanes are coming, and as well as how they migrate, where do they know how to get where they are going? well, in fact, as of april, we

have just found that there's something in the migrating birds' eye that in fact a cryptochrome, a protein that lets them see. actually they can see the horizon turns purple and they can see the magnetic lines of the earth, and we have now found out that bats, those that are migrating, not echo locating where they are using their sound in local areas, but when they start out to migrate as they leave the cave, just a little bit of the sun in sunset strikes their eye a certain way, and they also can see the magnetic lines of the earth and know which way to fly. >> larry: when dogs are barking, are they talking to each other? >> they may be talking to each other, and they may be talking to us.

they could certainly understand most of what we're saying. they just don't have the mechanism to talk back. they may be certainly sending out signals and saying stay away or i'm agitated, or i'm -- or i'm very anxious about all of this. i'm afraid. certainly before earthquakes, everybody talks about, well, my dog was barking like crazy just before the earthquake or the cat was trying to get out of the house, or even the worms were coming out of the room, but with dogs, of course. there's a lot of communication that they are giving off. they are often trying to tell us something, and we just are just learning how to listen and to know what the messages are. >> larry: in your research, you

>> larry: in your research, you talk about how animals survive and predict natural disasters you just talked about, the way before an earthquake. >> yes. >> larry: like the tsunami. how do you explain that? how do you think they know something is coming? >> we start out the book with -- when the tsunami came in 2004, of course, it was started by an earthquake. the head of yala wildlife preserve in sri lanka said 22,000 people died, and no dead animals. what do animals know? well, in -- this is the first book to really connect the dots in terms of what happens with

earthquakes because there are a lot of different types of earthquakes at different levels. we talk about the different waves that create earthquakes or the humidity. animals pick up on humidity that may be there, electrical changes in the earth, electromagnetic changes in the earth. even the tilting. every earthquake, the earth tilts a little bit. all of this the animals -- certain animals, especially sense this, and other animals know to look for that communication. i go in great detail throughout the book explaining how in fact animals do predict earthquakes. >> larry: all right. as i said, it's a terrific book and my quote is on the cover. the book is "bats sing, mice giggle." a recent news study reported there's new scientific studies that say parrots can dance to a tune and even rock 'n' roll. here's a look at snowball, a dancing cockatoo, who proves we're not the only creatures who like music. ♪

>> parrots have a great sense of humor, and they tell their own jokes. make up their own jokes. you should have a parrot come on. alex the parrot used to do that, especially african gray parrots. they are quite witty and, of course, because we have taught them to talk our language, we even know the jokes that they are telling, but there are many animals that have a great sense of humor. i have a whole chapter on how animals play. even ants, it turns out, have a sense of play. they actually have little sword fights with each other. that's according to e.o. wilson, professor at harvard, who has studied there, so animals have a sense of humor. they have fun, and they also very often entertain each other. it's time for us to appreciate everything that's happening. such as the fire flies, for

example, how they synchronize their lights together or singing crickets or cicada. suddenly it all becomes synchronized like the slapping of an audience in a synchronized way of communicating and coming together. >> larry: it's an amazing book, birds doing pushups. think we're making progress. aside from books like this one, a lot of ways to connect with the animal world, but i don't know a better one than "bats sing, mice giggle." one other thing. what do you want people to take away from this? >> i want them to realize how much is happening around them and an electrical level, electromagnetically, the vibrations around them, the communication. i say to them -- when i talk at zoos, i say when you visit a zoo, what do you think the animals are saying about you, and they are saying something? we are all communicating and interacting with each other and as humans to understand more of how this is happening, it's only