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loved him, why she covered up for him and why she recorded his rants. >> i wanted my mother to prove that if i'm dead, this is who did it. >> larry: a riveting, revealing, shocking hour, you won't hear anywhere else. >> he begged, he cried. what am i supposed to do? >> larry: it's next on "larry king live." good evening. oksana grigorieva is mel gibson's exgirlfriend. they have a 1-year-old child together and are locked in a bitter legal dispute. mr. gibson has sought a gag order to prevent any public parties from speaking about the case. the judge rejected that. mel has never commented about the conversations. with us, martin garbus, who's

father lives in moscow, her mother is with her here, and her father was a russian war hero in the world war ii against the nazis. how did you meet mel gibson? >> we were introduced by a mutual friend and there were cards on a table. and the friend took my card and put his cell phone number on my card and so mel called me a couple of weeks later. >> larry: were you playing piano when you met him? >> i was just at the dining table in the restaurant. >> larry: so, he called you? >> yeah, he did. >> larry: and you knew he was married, right? >> yes, i did know he was married, but for nine months, we were just riding together. we hardly saw each other. it was like a friendship thing. >> larry: so no adultery. >> then he explained to me that he was unhappy for many years

and that he was in love, actually. >> larry: and a romance budded? do you ever feel you caused the break-up? >> he explained to me that it was not the reason they separated. since 2006 for sure and they were very unhappy prior to that. >> larry: so, you felt no guilt? >> i did not because he reassured me over and over again that his union has been finished a long time ago before i came into this and he pursued him heavily for nine months. >> larry: you have a son, he's 13. timothy dalton is his father and you are friendly with him? >> we are great friends. he came to baby's birthday party a week ago. >> larry: and you have a daughter with mel. >> one years old. this year. >> larry: this whole battle is

about her? >> right. all about her and about standing up to domestic violence. this is not to be silent about domestic violence. this is a highly publicized case. if i am silent about domestic violence, can you imagine how many others do suffer at the hand of a perpetrator and have no chance to come here, be kindly invited by you and speak about this. >> larry: so your reason is that? >> this case is about domestic violence. there's also, i've just found out that in fact yesterday, that there's a large amount of hour files being leaked or sold or stolen to the -- and given to the press or sold, i don't know. >> larry: files from where? >> court files. >> larry: aren't court files public, martin? >> no. in the family, court files are

sealed. they're confidential, so that the files that were leaked to an internet station were all stolen. probably from the court and the court has ordered yesterday an investigation. >> larry: so, this is testimony given by your client, mr. gibson, others. >> it's medical documents, court opinions, transcripts. everything it seems, over 2,000 pages of documents were leaked and the district's attorney's office started an investigation. >> it could be quite terrible because the case could turn into a gossip story rather than what's important here. it's domestic violence and lucy at stake. >> larry: radar online posted tapes that oksana says are accurate recordings. they are conversations between her and mel gibson. we continue to ask gibson for a response to verify and so far,

he's not commented. let's listen. >> i'm really [ bleep ] angry and really sad, and i really [ bleep ] just want to [ bleep ] hurt someone or myself, do you understand? you have's done this to me. it's your fault. if something happens, be it on your [ bleep ] head. you know? >> i didn't do anything. how did that come ever to be taped? give me the circumstances, oksana. >> well, january 6th this year, the beating took place. mel actually assaulted me while i was holding the baby in my arms. >> larry: at whose house? >> that was his house -- well, our house at that point. and i ran into my son's bedroom and told him to hide because mel is crazy, getting really

violent. my son was getting ready for bed and he jumped kind of behind the bed. i was in the middle of the room with the baby like you know, a mother protecting her cubs. i was standing in the middle of the room holding the baby as mel proceeded into the room and struck me twice. >> larry: in front of your boy? >> in front of my boy. >> larry: was he drunk? >> no, he wasn't drunk. >> larry: how did that lead to the subsubsequent phone call and that being released? >> he hit me and choked me in front of my son and then you know, brandished a gun at me and i left him on the 6th of january and the very following morning, the very following day, he was apologetic, asking for a chance for us to be together. that he will be cured, treated,

he will be evaluated. all those words. and i was covering up for him -- >> larry: you didn't report it. >> i didn't. i was covering up and i believed him. if somebody's asking you for a chance, you give them a chance. >> larry: what led to the phone call? >> all of the phone calls that were recorded were recorded on the same night of 18 february and 18 to the 19th. he started calling me early in the evening. >> larry: what was he angry about? >> because i left him. because i thought he was going to hit us again, that evening. >> larry: you forgave him for the first instance? >> i forgave him after the first severe beating that you know, he struck me twice with a fist then choking me while i was holding lucy and protecting myself. my son witnessed everything. we ran towards the pool, and he was screaming and yelling, and he told us to get the f out and went to get the gun and i asked my son to get in the car and that's how we left the 6th of

january and from then on, every day, he was apologizing. >> larry: you took him back? >> we got together again. >> larry: what broke it up again? >> larry: he lost it again on february the 18th. he thought you were with another guy? >> no, he didn't think that. he thought the gentleman who brought the tree for the tree ceremony asked me if santa had anything to do with lucy and said, yes, it's in her honor. that was the report. >> larry: a tree in her honor? >> yes. the tree was in huroner, and the tree was planted that day. >> larry: is this a russian? >> it's mel's thing. it's a nice thing i think. >> larry: does oksana think mel has a problem with women, racism and how the phone calls came to be recorded. martin garbus is with us as well. we'll be right back. right now, there's a nurse saving a life in baltimore.

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>> larry: we're back with oksana and her attorney, martin garbus how did they come to be taped? >> before i left on february the 18th, that's when i did leave

him. i just took my children out of a danger zone because he threw lucy in my arms and said he was going to hurt her. i called my mother in the middle of russian night. she was in russia, and i said, i'm leaving him now. she said i have to. he started to call me. he called and called and threatened my life. >> you taped him? >> no, i did not. i did not tape him until about 11:00 at night. he called me from 8:00. i called his assistant. i was trying to get the number of his psychologist. i knew this is not the man i fell in love with. this is his illness because this profanity, anger rage, unforgivable. >> larry: so why, oksana, did you tape him? >> a few reasons. i started taping around 11:00, because i thought i'm actually not going to live through the night. >> larry: he's going to come

over and kill you. >> yes, that's what he said in those tapes. >> larry: they were evident. >> yeah. i have none edited and it's pretty frightening and completely unforgivable. >> larry: so you wanted to world to hear this? >> i wanted my mother to prove that if i'm dead, this is who did it. she witnessed the violence in december. he showed quite a bit of a violence. but another, another reason was, it's very strange. the domestic violence victims, i think they're really decent human beings. they try to cover up perpetrators. they're trying to help them. in the back of my mind, i thought, if i don't get killed tonight, then i'd like him to hear what he sounds like. >> larry: is it legal to tape a phone conversation? >> it is if you think your life is threatened or the person is

doing something on the phone which has illegal connotations. so, what she did, she didn't do it for herself, but it is perfectly appropriate. if she wanted to call the police, for example, right after the call, she would have something to show the police. >> larry: play it for 911. >> yes. >> larry: how did the tapes ever get released? >> i have no idea. it's -- >> larry: they were just in my possession. >> larry: how can they be released if you're the only one with them. >> no, no, no, she's not the only ones with him. she said her lawyers had them. not me. and the court had them. the court in the same way that these files are broken into two days ago where 1,000 documents were releases or 2,000, the tapes also came out of the courthouse.

>> larry: so, these were not released the next day? in the record, the man, mel gibson, he continues to not say anything about whether it was him. listen. >> you need medication. >> what? what? >> you need medication. >> i need a woman, not a [ bleep ]. i don't need medication. you need a [ bleep ] woman. you need a [ bleep ] brain transplant, you need a [ bleep ] soul. why was he mad at you? >> because i left him that night. that was his anger. >> larry: not that you had said anything publicly? >> not at all. this was recorded one night. when in the cycle of domestic

violence, you cut out from your friends, economically. this person had complete control over me, and he was losing control. >> larry: so, you were deliberately taping him for further use if something happened to you or the record? >> at the time when i was taping him, as i said, there were two reasons, one, i won't live through the night and i wanted my mother to prove to the world, this is who killed me, and two, i wanted to help him as strange as it may sound. ♪ [ male announcer ] here's hoping you find something special in your driveway this holiday. ♪ [ santa ] ho ho ho! [ male announcer ] get an exceptional offer on the mercedes-benz you've always wanted at the winter event going on now. but hurry -- the offer ends soon. one month, five years after you do retire?

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>> larry: we're back with oksana and her attorney. did he keep calling back or was that just one call? >> actually, i just discovered from my attorneys those tapes, those recordings were legal under the penal code of california's 653m. i've just learned that. >> just been educated. >> larry: you can do this if threatened? >> yes. >> larry: were there a series of calls? >> a talks about body injury and threat and b talks about harassing phone calls or repeated phone calls. it doesn't say they have to be foul. he called every five, ten minutes from 8:00 p.m. to 3:00 in the morning.

>> larry: how are they so technically good? >> they're not that good. >> larry: they're good. don't you think? >> larry: you had a home machine? >> no, it's my phone, it has an app called voice. >> larry: just sold a lot of iphones. >> larry, i didn't get a chance to listen to all of the messages together. it's really horrendous. the fury and anger. >> larry: the other thing people have asked about this, why didn't you hang up? >> i did. he kept calling back. i knew the sound, you probably can hear it's like coming from a barrel. i knew he was on his old phone in malibu. he's not on the road calling from his iphone. he's not coming to kill me yet, and i knew he was still there so i kept picking up.

but i got so exhausted. that's not why i'm not replaying. obviously, i didn't plan for this to be on public television. i would have called him for all the lies he said in those phone calls. >> and the calls with hang-ups. >> larry: not a 30-minute call. in this clip, we hear the man giving his feeling about oksana's appearance. >> it's an imbare usment to me. because you provoked it. you are provauktively dress -- do you provocatively dress? >> am i now? >> larry: not now. where does that come from? >> as i said, all from the same night and this is a person who's losing control. this is a batterer who has been controlling me for quite a while. i stopped seeing my friends. i financially became dependent

on him. he's losing control. i left him and this is the anger and outrage and he needs to take responsibility for the mental state he is. the disease. domestic violence is illness. he has to be responsible for that. >> larry: when the tapes were released, where did you first hear it, publicly? >> i don't know, i think somebody called me and told me something. >> larry: were you shocked? >> yes. >> larry: you had no idea this would be seen on a television? >> i have no idea. i think my lawyer called me in and told me. i'm completely shocked. >> whoever took the files from the courthouse got paid a good deal of money. i presume whoever took the tapes paid a great deal of money to get them, so there is a money business with respect to loots court files. >> larry: how about the story that you were out to entrap him in a way.

you knew his weakness and you wanted these tapes for use in a courtroom some day. did you have any script? >> are you kidding me? >> larry: people have said this. i'm just asking. >> listen to the tapes in their entirety. >> you have to listen to them in the original without bleepings. i have only heard them in the way i recorded them. nine conversations. he probably called me 30, 40 times that night. i recorded eight or nine conversations. i can't remember right now. >> larry: why did you stay with him? >> that was a mistake. i stayed a little bit too long. but again, i immediately left on the sixth -- >> larry: you went back after january. >> i did. i forgave him. he asked me for last chance. he begged, cried on his knees. what am i supposed to do? >> larry: did liquor set it off?

>> he never drunk. one one time when he was away. that's the only time he drunk. i have never ever seen him drink. >> larry: so, this occurred by a man in full control of his senses? >> that's why i keep saying on those tapes, you need meditation for the sake of our daughter. he needs to be treated. instead, what he's doing, he's using his lawyers, putting millions and millions of dollars. the paternity system is broken. i don't know. maybe it's from 400 years ago from u.k., when one person, the judge, is entirely responsible for something so monumental as your child's custody. >> larry: mel was arrested for dui 2006. we'll hear what he had to say after that arrest. stick around.

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>> larry: that was years before? >> we started seeing each other in 2007. >> larry: you knew that story? >> you know what, i knew a little bit about it. >> larry: did you talk to him about it? >> obviously. >> larry: what did he say about the comments and jews and blacks. he said look, everybody i work with is jewish. >> he denies having made those statements, so if he's quoted, he say, i never said it. >> yeah, he said there was an actor who they recorded, i've never heard those, an actor who sounded like him. >> larry: so he said he never made an antigay remarks,

antiblack remarks, antijewish? >> pretty much denied everything. it's only when i became pregnant and i felt like he had me, like he had complete control over me. he started to show his true self. but in the beginning of the relationship, he said there's a dark side of me. >> larry: he said that? >> yes. i don't want you to ever see that because it will destroy us. >> larry: during the arrest, he was charged with dui? did you see him drink a lot? >> he never drunk. >> larry: never drank? >> never drunk. >> larry: during the arrest, police reports said he said f'ing jews. they were responsible for all the wars in the world, and asked the deputy if he was jewish. you're not jewish, are you? >> i'm turned catholic, but i was russian orthodox and i have reconditioned to catholicism. >> larry: because of mel? >> yes. >> larry: isn't that hypocritical? >> yes, it is hypocritical, as far as what is happening right now, yes. >> larry: he wants custody of

this little girl? >> there are a number of court cases. one, is paternity suit, where he wants custody of the little girl. >> larry: he wants to have her? >> he wants total custody. he wants to deprive her of total custody. he doesn't want to pay support for the child. then you have a criminal proceeding, where oksana and her son have gone to the district attorney and described the events of january 6th, the beating. by the way, mel acknowledges he hit her. it's not as if he says he's in chicago and didn't touch her. he admits hitting her. in the criminal court, you have the domestic violence and mel has filed a phony charge against her -- >> larry: a what charge? >> a phoney charge against her that she somehow released the tapes and was guilty of extortion and was threatening him to release the tapes, none of which is true. >> i never threatened him. i walked on $15 million, what he

was offering me to wash his hands. >> larry: he offered you how much? >> $15 million. >> larry: to drop the thing. >> to settle, but he, the way he obtained that custody, it was fraudulent. >> $15 million to end everything. >> larry: no criminal, no nothing? >> so, the i'm sure the extortion charges are really just a publicity cover up and will drop away. one of the problems you mentioned before is that mel gibson, every day nearly in court, tries to bring some kind of gag order to try to stop her from talking. he tries to argue -- >> larry: but she hasn't, has she? >> i haven't. >> we had the show set for one night, he canceled it. because of her concern that the judge would somehow take it against her that she had gone on television and talked about these issues. one of the things that gibson

says is that if she's on television, she's not spending time with her child, which is nonsense. every day, there's an application for a gag order to stop her from talking. this, as you say, is the first time she has come out and talked. >> larry: mel released a statement after the dui incident. here it is in part --

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>> larry: we're back. what do you make of that statement we just broadcast? i announced what he said at the time -- you say you don't see him drink. he said he's a confirmed alcoholic. >> he was then, but then he became aa and had a sponsor and had a 12-step program. i believe he never finished it. that's the problem. there's anger issues. there's alcoholic issues. there's other issues he's not aware of and i think the disease is progressing. it's getting worse. like anybody with a brain tumor knows it has to be attended to immediately. what he does, he pays millions and millions to his attorneys that seem to be preventing him to be responsible for what he's done. it's not okay to be beaten and si silent. >> larry: why didn't you take

the 15 million? >> because the first sheet i was forced to sign, i was threatened that i will be sued criminally, prosecuted, civilly, criminally and lose the custody of my children. >> larry: your crime being what? >> regarding mel gibson. >> larry: why didn't you take the 15 million? >> because the custody was wrong. >> larry: he would have custody? >> too much custody. under the terms of the agreement, he would get a rapid acceleration. she was afraid to leave the child with him. >> and he didn't want to take any responsibility and he washed his hands of dmosic violence in that silent agreement. my main thing is i cannot live with that. i cannot live in silence and i don't believe that mel gibson is you know, could be a great dad

if he doesn't take responsibility for what he's done and treat himself. it's an illness. there's some kind of condition that needs to be treated. i am worried about my daughter spending overnights there. >> larry: does she spend overnight with him? >> of course and now, step up from that mediation agreement, which only works in part, i.e., custody. there is no money involved whatsoever. i walked off on that for my daughter. >> he has a nanny there, but the child sleeps alone. the nanny takes care of the child and the argument in court has been denying the mother. >> larry: what's he paying in child support? >> $20,000 a month. >> it just started. i haven't seen it yet. he was fighting that since september. >> larry: here, another clip. oksana discusses being hit. >> you always killed us.

did you forget? you were hitting a woman with a child in her hands. what kind of man is that, hitting a woman with a child in her hands. what kind of man is that? >> oh, you are all angry now. you got -- what you -- >> you're going to answer, one day, boy. >> what are you threatening me? >> nothing nothing. i'm not the one. >> language is awful. i don't know if you heard the tapes. >> larry: i think you can imagine. we did. i'm still a man, i know that you were doing for hopefully protecting yourself.

why didn't you keep hanging up? >> she did. you're missing the story. in other words, each tape you're hearing -- >> he called me 30 times. i only recorded eight conversations. >> in order, she'd get a call, it would go for one to two minutes. she'd hang up. of that, she probably answered a small percentage of the calls that came in, but considered taping. >> larry: what finally ended the calls? >> i pulled the batteries out of the all the phones. i was so exhausted. i couldn't talk to him anymore. he kept calling, i'm sure. >> larry: we'll be back with more, don't go away. use it ale you use sugar. even in cooking and baking. sweet! [ female announcer ] splenda® granulated with fiber. i'd get this tightness in my chest. so i went back to my doctor again. we chose symbicort to help control my asthma symptoms all day and night. [ man ] symbicort improves my lung function, starting within 15 minutes. symbicort will not replace a rescue inhaler for sudden symptoms. it is a combination of two medicines and should not be taken more often than prescribed.

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>> larry: we're back with oksana and her attorney. when did it start? when did you say, this is not the guy i fell in love with? >> well, being a domestic violence victim, you always feel you can help him. >> larry: when did it start? >> when did it start? pretty much when i became pregnant. he started to show signs of the darkness he did not want me to be exposed to. he started to be violent to

other people. scream, yell, mostly verbally. the worst one was is january 6th. >> larry: did you ever extort him? >> i never have. >> caller: a quid pro quo? >> what is that? >> larry: you give me this, i drop that. >> i only gave the tapes to my lawyers. eventually, the court got it from my lawyers. this is the domestic violence case. this is a domestic violence case. it's not okay to be beaten in silent. not in this country. people died for the first amendment constitution. soldiers died. i know i'm not dying or anything, but i'm being threatened in court that i might lose my baby. i'm terrified talking you right now. i might need your help, larry. >> larry: but he's a very famous person. it's a risk to him. the power you had over him was his fame. other people who treat people poorly and hit them, they're not

well-known. women are -- they're slaves to them. they have trouble running away. you didn't have that problem. mel gibson. >> but look at the power he had. >> larry: she's vulnerable physically. but who is getting the bad press now? >> in the courtroom, he has endless attorneys spending fortunes of funds. he probably had ten applications to stop her from speaking first amendment speeches and tried to do everything to discourage her. >> i have to say something really important. the domestic violence hearing has not been set. it's been six months. i have witnesses. it's not been set. because his lawyers being paid, the more aggressive they are, the more millions he pays them. paternity laws as such the system is broken. it needs to be redone. the remnants of maybe the british system where control of

your child is lying in the hands of one person and also in paternity, if you're domestic violence victim, in my situation, i'm the poor one, so the perpetrator pays my lawyers and it's a conflict of interest. but my lawyers only get paid if the judge permits them to be paid. they have to be nice. >> larry: have you been paid? >> no. >> larry: we continue to ask mel gibson for a response and verify the authenticity. so far, he has not commented at all. >> listen to me. you don't love me, because somebody that loves does not behave this way. >> shut the [ bleep ] up. i know i'm behaving like this because i know --

>> he's threatening to take my daughter away. that's exactly what he's doing. he does not want to be responsible. he does not want to treat his illness. he does not want to be a good dad. >> larry: do you worry when he takes your daughter? >> absolutely. >> larry: once again, we have asked mel gibson for a response, we have not received one. there were a number of responses from oksana to mel gibson. i want to read one -- if not for these recorded messages you and your loyal people would have used any dirty trick they could. this is what i have been told and now i believe it. too much evidence, my dear, so i am sending my lawyers the rest of the messages and sending you

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>> larry: we're back. how was he to your son?

>> well, sasha was 12 years old when the abuse happened on january 6th. >> larry: before that how was he? >> it was good to begin with. they really got along so well, and this is during happy times with mel, and for two years we were happy. i remember mel -- the man, the mel that i had fallen in love with. he was a wonderful person. >> larry: there are two mels? >> definitelay two mels. >> larry: do you still have feelings for him? >> i think what he has done is completely unforgivable. and the level of a partner and soul mate, and as a woman, we had a family unit. we promised each other to be kind to one another for our

daughter's sake, and for now i am keeping the promise, to look after her and make him better. so as a human being, as the mother of his child, i would forgive him, but he really needs to come and acknowledge what he has done, and what he is doing, accusing the mother of his child of made up extortion. >>. >> larry: we have audio now that is reportedly mel gibson talking about support.

>> that's tough stuff. >> that's painful. >> larry: what is it like to sit with him in court? >> i have only seen him there twice in the last week. he was not there before, not once. >> larry: is it hard to see him? >> yes, it is. yeah. >> i think mel is a good actor. i think that sitting in court, he is acting a different role, the role of a concerned father. so the mel that you hear on the tapes and the mel that you see is not the person in court. >> larry: we'll be back with our remaining moments after this. it's pain relief without the pills.

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>> larry: we're back with the remaining moments. did he ever harm your daughter? >> there were two fist blows. one of them were across my mouth, and one broke my teeth, and one was shattered in tiny pieces, and at the end of that blow, he grazed lucy's chin, and the porcelain i found later in my shirt and everywhere, and it went across her chin. she started bleeding. but the actual cut was very small. he hit me with a fist, twice, very fast. the blow went across my mouth, broke the teeth, the veneers, and then at the end of that blow, because i was holding her -- i was protecting her

head, and he grazed her chin, and it cut her a little bit, and there was blood. but that blow, we fell down, and i fell backwards on the bed holding lucy in my arms. >> larry: listen.

>> larry: did you call him his little communist? >> only as a joke. >> larry: you were so close you converted to catholicism? >> we were very close. >> larry: you did not see him drinking? >> no. >> these rages were not when he was inebriated? >> no, not for the first two years. he was wonderful and attentive and loved me so much. he would carry me around and pick me up out of nowhere. his friends said he was the healthiest and happiest they have ever seen him. >> larry: do you turn on the television and see a movie of his that is on? >> sure, we watched -- >> larry: no, now do you watch them? >> no, not now. >> larry: it's sad. >> i guess what i am