years is knowing you. >> oh, that's so sweet, thank you. >> larry: and you. >> larry, let me add, the reason we're doing this is grt confidence in you and you've always been fair. you ask some tough questions over the years but it was always from the heart, straight, no curveballs. and we respect you and love you and that's why we wanted to visit. we don't do this kind of thing anymore. >> larry: i thank you. the bushes in houston. "ac 360" is next. thanks, thanks to all of you as well for watching. tonight you say, you want them to keep their hands off you at the airport. well we've got news for you about the alternative. those new scanners. we'll tell you about some new research on how much they can miss and i'll tell you this. it could be enough to take down an airliner. what the study shows and what the government isn't telling you but another vital question. is any of what we're putting ourselves through with airport security really providing, you

know, airport security? "keeping them honest." and tonight, high school classmates thought he looked so all-american they called him la barbie, as in barbie and ken. now he's called one of mexico's most vicious drug lords and heats coming home to the united states. "crime and punishment." and our cnn heroes, a "ac 360" exclusive. the heroes in the mine. miners and rescuers sit down with anderson. that's the big 360 interview. and tonight, "keeping them honest." new information and if you're already unhappy about the enhanced pat-downs at the airport tore fancy new x-ray machines you're not going to like this one bit. new research due out this week suggesting that many of these gadgets now at about 70 airports around the country, cost about $170,000 a pop, they're put there to stop the next underwear bomber. well, they simply won't do what they promise. they won't detect the kind of bomb the terrorists are using these days. what's more, there's a government accountability office report from back in march

raising doubts about the scanners. back in march. and on top of all that, we learned of another report. a report on real-life testing of how well or how poorly the bomb detectors work. you want to know the bottom line? so would we but we can't because the report is classified. as we said, there's new research and it's not classified and i'll tell you about it shortly. but this is all coming to a head right now because of the alternative. these new, tougher pat-downs. they are setting off a backlash. a breast cancer survivor being told to remove her prosthetic. a man soaked in urine when the tsa agent ruptured his prosthetic bladder. children being frisked. needless groping. pictures like these causing a major backlash across the country. what does the head of the tsa say about it? what, if anything, is he doing about which the the busiest travel day of the year coming up? whether there be any changed? apparently not.

>> the public will see what we have been working on the last several weeks in terms of they have the option to not go through the advanced imaging technology in the 70 or so airports where we have the machines. if they do opt out they get a thorough patdown so make sure we don't have a christmas-day type bomb we are a nonmetallic device concealed on his body. >> john pistone on that. if you look at the images of the scanners, you think they work pretty well. there's a pistol on the left guy's right leg. and on the right-hand guy on his waist, you see a brick of explosives or drugs. but according to the authors of this new study to be published this week in the "journal of transportation security" it's just not that simple or safe. the machines are only good at detecting sharp edges so look at this. they're testing with dummies. the scanner picks up a water

bottle on the left and a iron bar on the right because of those edges. but what it does not catch is this. a smooth, round, deadly pancake of petn explosive. >> that's about 20 grams which is four times more than the underwear bomber had. and that would not be detected by the machine. you could get that through. in fact, i think you could probably get more through than that. >> the scanning technology expert, he authored the study but there have been two other investigations of the scanners and at least one of them, the nonclassified report of march 17th which says this, it remains unclear whether the ait, the new scanning technology, would have detected the weapon used in the december of 2009 incident, based on the preliminary information the gao has received. a couple of footnotes to all this. we don't yet have the full version of the private study coming out this week but we

don't yet have any version of the study gao apparently did. we reached out to tsa regarding the report and the classified report because but we haven't heard back from them. we have a big travel week ahead and there's of big questions. we have the national correspondent for "the atlantic." noted author on aviation and security. thanks to both of you for being here. >> fran, let me start with you. you've talked quite a bit about this. you say these measures are a deterrent and there's obviously something to be said for that. but the gao report and the private study say the scanners might not have stopped the christmas-day bomber last year. how good are they? >> first let's be clear. the metal detectors that you normally go through, they wouldn't detect it because they don't detect explosives. the advanced imaging technology, these rapid scanners we're going through now, they also don't detect explosives.

they detect mass. frankly, the question becomes -- if they can detect that there's an unexplained mass it will lead you into a patdown. are any of these things foolproof? absolutely not. but you create an operational environment that's unpredictable for our enemies which means they can't be sure whether or not they have can get it through. your increase their risk which means you increase the likelihood that you'll throw them off their game. >> i think part of the issue this week, fran, is the backlash. you hear the incidents of a young boy being searched and the father taking the kid's shirt off to he wasn't a threat. the cancer patient having to remove a prosthetic breast. have we really reached that level of scrutiny? >> let me be clear. i'm not apologizing for any of that. none of that is necessary. you travel all over the world, i travel throughout the middle east. there are private screens areas and none of that ever happens in

public. people are able to be spoken to and examined and have a search that's not publicly humiliating. you don't have to do it the way it's being done. what you're hearing from secretary nepolitano, they understand they haven't gone about this as well as they might have and they need to revamp and make sure that the people are trained to do this in the least invasive way as possible. >> and to be fair, a think a lot of the tsa agents try to respect privacy as much as possible. i travel a lot. you're calling what we see "security theater." this is something you write quite a bit about. how do you balance this idea of making us safer with these sorts of screening measures? how do you reconcile that? >> it was a great security expert, bruce schneider who coined that term "security theater." he meant things that look as if we're preventing threats but left out whole other areas we're not concentrating on. of course, metal detectors make

sense for people in airports. if you look at the main sources of where we've gotten information on threats, it's from intelligence networks. cargo, you can get closer to cargo than you can on a passenger. much less screening of the cargo now than the passengers so it's a question of proportion. i think the outcry of the last week are people have been exposed to the patdowns or the privacy intrusions of the advanced imaging technology has brought to bear something that brought up something that's been discussed for a couple of years. whether it makes sense to have so much cost and emphasis on this one aspect of the anti-terrorism fight and neglecting out of proportion to a lot of other things which we could be doing. >> it's one of those things and again, it's a tough question to ask. if something were to happen, mr. fallows, there was another terrorism attack, would people say -- look, maybe you were not doing enough? we're living without that piece of information right now. >> i think you've hit upon what

is, in fact, the social tragedy, if you will, about this. i think our society like anyone on the whole is willing to accept some risk tradeoffs. we let people drive cars even though 30,000 people a year die in cars. we accept all kiempbds of risks and as a whole society we're willing to say there's certain civil liberties we won't give up. but for any politician or any tsa administrator to say that or a screener who might be caught letting things through that becomes very risky. so there's a ratchet-like effect to these measures. easy to impose and difficult for any public leader to say, maybe we don't need it maybe there's something different that we can accept. >> in fairness, we ought to be clear. it's not just the christmas-day bomber they're trying to stop. we just had this attempt of the cargo from yemen. this is the same bomb maker. they don't know how he's adopting or what he'll try next. they're trying very hard to stop the next attack but as jim says,

there's -- nothing is 100% guaranteed. >> and in fairness, the question of proportion, is it worth the extra money on intelligence to find the next bombmaker versus screening every person with enhanced patdowns. that's the question. >> and we don't know how much of the other intelligence is going on. we see what we see but lots of people are interested in this, especially the busy travel week. thanks so much both of you. >> let us know what you think. join our last chat under way what ac360.com. up next, who are you going to believe? the politician tore videotape of that same politician? michelle bachman who made global news with her false allegations right here on 360 is trying to explain, that's not really what she said. not exactly. we'll play the tape and you can make up your own mind. how they endured and how others worked around the clock to bring them back into the light. several chile an miners speak out and so do the rescuers.

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another "keeping them honest" report. congresswoman, michelle bachman is back in the news. is she trying to respin something she plainly said right here on this program. a false allegation she made. in a moment we'll play the tape so i can decide. you'll recall, anderson invited her on to talk about the deficit and identify some specific budget cuts for closing the gap. instead, on the very first answer she started talking about how much money president obama's trip to india was costing, using a totally outlandish figure. >> i think we know that within a day or so the president of the united states will be taking a trip over to india that is expected to cost the taxpayers $200 million a day. he's taking 2,000 people with him. he'll be renting out over 870 rooms in india.

and these are five-star hotel rooms at the taj mahal palace hotel. this is kind of over-the-top spending. it's a very small example, anderson. >> no one really knows the cost because for security reasons they don't disclose the cost. so this idea that it's $200 million is simply made up. >> these are the numbers that have been coming out in the press and those are the numbers -- >> do you agree with what you read in the press? >> should i what you say, anderson? that's really the question. >> i'm not reporting this $200 million figure. >> now, to be fair, no one with any knowledge of the subject believes the trip costs anywhere near that much. the source of the story turns out to be a wire service report out of india quoting an unnamed provincial official. it wasn't until anderson challenged her until she said it was in the press and let alone, a single unnamed source in the overseas press. now, is she trying to spin her way out of it? this is recent from the bbc.

>> you claim that president obama spent $200 million a day on a trip to india. it's been roundly ridiculed as a quote. >> actually, i didn't claim that. i was quoting a newspaper out of india and i only used that quote after many -- >> why did you do that? >> well, number one, it came out of the host country, in india. it came out of a well-respected financial newspaper. >> and you believed that, $200 million a day? >> excuse me. all i did is i quoted newspaper. i quoted newspaper and major national figures here in the united states, many across the media, for several days had already been eyesing that figure. the reason why it was so important is because the president has a two-year history of out of control spending. >> you still believe he spent $200 million a day on that trip? you believe that? >> i didn't say whether i believe it or not.

what i said is i was quoting a newspaper -- >> now, in fairness, many politicians say thing for effect. and then they try to unsay them when someone puts them on the spot. but some do it more than others and mst miss bachmann seems to be a history. >> would you categorically announce the united states moving a way from the dollar and going to a global currency? >> that's her during a hearing last year repeating another false allegation that the united states might drop the dollar. in fact, the story was quite a complicated one about a chinese suggestion to created a new global reserve currency. nothing to do with getting rid of the dollar. that notion came from a headline on the dredge report. and before the 2008 election, miss bachmann suggested that her colleagues might be disloyal to their country. >> most americans, chris, are wild about america. and they're very concerned to have a president who doesn't share those values. what i would say is the news

media needs to be a penetrating exposé and take a look. i wish they would. i wish the american media would take a great look at the views of the people in congress and find out -- are they pro america or anti-america? >> and later on fox, she said this -- >> you've said you're concerned during the campaign that obama had anti-american views and you said the news media should do a penetrating exposé and take a look at the views of people in congress and find out if they are pro american or anti-sneern it's an urban legend that was created. that's not what i said at all. >> in the bbc interview we played for you, the congresswoman insinuated that president obama was anti-american. we'll see if how or if she plains that next. joining us now, eric erikkson and maria cordona. thanks for joining us. >> eric, is this crazy orac is calculated? maybe she's not ready for

primetime, some colleagues are saying. what do you make of this? >> this is going into the absurd. i saw that report on november 2nd during the election. i was on cnn. it was on the dredge report. she clicked through it and it was an immediate yeah report out of india. it seemed like when she was talking to anderson about it on the 3rd, it was clear she was basing her opinion based on that story which was wrong. but it was quoted all over the place. we talked about it that night and we were all dismissive of it. she based that off of something in the media which was wrong. >> i get that. i understand that. is there a greater level of accountability that someone like her needs to have? $200 million a day, eric, is what that unnamed firm in an overseas wooir article said. you have to use your common sense. >> you know, it doesn't for you or for me and i don't think she should have said it. i think she probably should have come out and said she was wrong

and that was november 3rd and she moved on and the rest of us haven't. >> i understand what you're saying and that's fair what you said. the point is that is there a higher level of accountability when she makes statements like that? let's move on. maria, you talked about this before. you can argue that michele bachmann has more media savvy then or colleagues, despite all this, couldn't you? >> what i would say in terms of her being media-savvy, she knows how to become fodder on cable news. look at us, we're here talking about her and to you were point, sanjay, this is isn't the first time she's done this. she's been making outlandish statements and ridiculous statements for the past two years, at least, and even before that. so i think the problem for michele bachmann and frankly, for her supporters is that facts and video are pesky things. they are on the record and people know exactly what you've said and what you haven't said. and even though i think that this is something that she saw

in a report if it was something she saw in a report and she didn't really believe she wanted to mention that was part of her argument she should have said -- this is what reports from india are saying. she didn't say that. so this, again, goes to the facts as to who she even thoughs what she's talking about when she's going on tv or any other interview. >> sanjay, it's not just michele bachmann's fault. it's also the media. take the obama anti-american clip. you played the clip from where that comes from and she didn't say obama was anti-american. she referenced members of congress and said are they pro america or anti-america and does president obama have a view that most americans understand. but the headline is "obama is anti-american." >> to maria's point, we spent a lot of time talking about michele bachmann. she's not the only politician who has differences. sarah palin got asked this today. i'll play for you. whether she would speak to journalist, katie couric again.

here's part of her response. >> i want to help clean up the state that's so sorry today, of journalism. country a communication's degree. i studied journalism. who, what, when and whereof reporting. i'm speak to to the journalists, expectation that. public has for truth to be reported. >> eric, tell me if you agree. she's been communicating through fox news, facebook, twitter. she's not been facing too many reporters at all these days. is it -- is that any way to prep for a presidential run? can she get away with that? >> absolutely. in a republican primary she can be on fox news and have millions of people watching her who, frankly, will go out and vote for her. she can go on talk radio. conservatives have fantastic outlets other than the traditional news outlets to communicate in the primary. it won't work in a general election but to get her the nomination, it will. i wouldn't waste my time open cbs news either. >> maria, if she adecides to run

in 2012, do you she she can get away with avoiding the tough questions throughout the campaign? >> i don't think so but i agree with eric. this will work for her if she wants the republican presidential nomination. we've seen that the conservative right wing actually do have their own outlets and they do nurture their own spokespeople and she happens to be one of them. so as a democrat, i really hope she does exactly what eric mentioned. and runs and wins the nomination. because he said it himself and i completely agree, there's no way that doing that she could win the general election in 2012. i think that she represents and michele bachmann represents a huge challenge for the republican party and that's demonstrating that they actually have mainstream views. palin and bachmann do not represent the mainstream views. >> stay tuned. they are more mainstreamed than most people think. >> both of you, thanks and lots more i'm sure will be discussed. >> thank you so much. up next, the growing health crisis in haiti.

the death toll in the cholera outbreak. i was just there. the crisis is rising and health officials predict the scale of the new epidemic exceeds all estimates. and the cnn heroes, anderson talks with several of the rescued chilean miners. how did they hold on to hope? we'll find out next.

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coming up, cnn here lows, a "ac 360" exclusive. anderson sits down with the chilean miners and talks about what it was like to ration food. susan hendricks joins was the 360 bulletin. sanjay, nine years after washington intern chandra levy disappeared a man has been found guilty in her death. the injure convicted the man of first-degree murder. he could get life in prison without parole. a secret service agent who was there when jfk was assassinated on this day in

1963, says he was haunted by the idea that he could have gotten there just moments faster. former agents haven't said much since that day in dallas 47 years ago. but a new book called "the kennedy detail" includes accounts from many agents bhorp there. at least 1300 people have died in haiti's cholera outbreak and health officials say the death toll could end up even higher than the 200,000 they predicted. poor sanitation and lack of access to help centers are making the epidemic spread and sanjay, as you said, you just got back, you've been there several times, literally saving lives. and in one of your reports i watched you see a warehouse full of supplies but people are still dieing. >> susan, it's unbelievable to hear those numbers you're talking about that that many people could die. this country just doesn't seem to be able to catch a break. this warehouse, what was so striking was that it had some of the most basic supplies which are all that are necessary, really, to try to treat patients

with cholera. if you can get clean water and basic supplies, people live. if they don't get those supplies they won't survive and unfortunately, that's what's happening. and quickly, there was a sort of area where this outbreak began, the cholera outbreak. what's happening now is absolutely predicted. people walking around the country, disseminating this particular bacteria and more and more people are getting sick around the country. hundreds of thousands possibly, of illnesses predicted. it is miend-bolging. people on their hands and knees for water. >> did he say why he wasn't distributing what was in the warehouse? >> part of the issue, and to be fair to the organizations, sometimes they say we have to plan ahead. if there's more cases in another part of the country we may need to divert our resources over there. that makes no difference to the people a few miles away who didn't get the resources in the first place. so hopefully, we'll get back down there susan and talk much

more about haiti. a lot of people are really concerned about it. moving on, we have our "beat 360" winners. our daily challenge. a chance to show up staffers by coming up with a better caption to the photo we post every day. tonight's photo, some of the back street boys hooked up with the enough kids on the block. our staff winner tonight is will. his caption? "back, streets back -- oh no!" i don't know if that was my singing tore caption. the winner, from charlottesville, virginia, bravo unveiled its new show "the real has been's of orange county." the "beat 360" t-shirt is on its way. and now time for tonight's shot. we've been reporting the aggressive patdowns and full body scans have outraged many travelers.

for "saturday night live" it's great material for a laugh. >> when selected for a full body scanner, say "no." you'll be pull add side by a tsa agent and that's when the fun begins. and you never know who your agent will be. it koib me. >> or me. >> or even me. >> but it's probably going to be us. take identify your damn shoes. >> the tsa. >> does that make you want to travel, susan, this weekend? >> i love the fuzzy camera shots. >> the soft camera shot, sure. >> exactly. >> i don't know. i think maybe we'll be talking about this for sometime to come, you think? >> me, too. i don't know how those actors did it with a straight face. >> i think every now and then they crack, as they say. >> you're right. >> we'll be back with you shortly. back to the serious stiff, an alleged drug kingpin cap chired in mexico. authorities say he's vicious and ruthless. the former high school player from texas used to look like a

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juror tonight in "crime and punishment," a man who's being called one of mexico's most vicious drug car pell leaders is coming home to the united states. back in high school, he got a nickname because his classmates thought he looked like an all-american icon. now he faces charges of felony cocaine trafficking and criminal conspiracy and is expected he'll be extra dated to the united states soon. here's gary tuchman with the fascinating story of la barbie. >> reporter: he has light colored hair and blue eyes, from a well to-do family and played high school football in texas for the school team. but now, mexican authorities say edgar valdez is a drug kingpin. he's ruthless and dangerous and in this interrogation by mexican police following his arrest he's asked where he's from.

>> laredo, texas. the only u.s. citizen believed to be in the upper echelon of the that are cotraffic world. police ask him what business he's in? he says, he's a narco trafficker and then he's asked what his nickname is. la barbie. a name he got in school from friends who thought he looked like a ken doll. he was 18 year old old here arrested in texas on charges of criminally negligent vehicular homicide. charges were developed 37 he went to la ray do high school and this is from the 1991 school yearbook. he was arrested for other reasons after high school including dwi and public intoxication. but police say he was also a drug dealer. >> you know, the things that he has b has been accused of, it's amazing to us. >> this is the share in web

county, texas. a county on the mexican border along the rio grande. he was a straight treerp when la barbie was a teen and planned to meet him at this fast-food restaurant for a undercover marijuana deal. so you arranged this and he said he would pay a lot of money? >> what happened. >> he never showed up. he never materialized. >> he never got busted for the drugs in the uls. authorities say he efled to mexico, disappearing into the violent underworld and rising to the top. here in mexico, he was widely feared. many believed he was one of the western hemisphere's most notorious drug cartel leaders. la barbie, used to knock heads on the football field allegedly, oversaw the cutting off of heads. >> living in this upper class neighborhood, he said he maintains his love for im. his lawyer says he will plead not guilty and the interrogation tape was coerced and not legally

proper. sheriff wonders if things would have played out differently had he managed to arrest him years earlier. >> we joke around and say, if you arrested him maybe he wouldn't have done what he's doing now but you never know. >> it will be weeks before he's extradited back home to the united states but tlg be the very opposite of a triumphant homecoming. gary tuchman, cnn, laredo, texas. fred burton is the vice president of counterterrorism. a global intelligence company and author of "ghost -- confessions of a counterterrorism agent." thank you for joining us, sir. >> good evening. >> good evening. fred, la barbie as you heard on the report, he's the only american citizen known to have moved so high in the command structure of the mexican cartels. why do you think that's the first time that happened? what made him special?

>> it's truly an amazing story. this is a kid that appeared to have everything going for him in l laredo. he has successful siblings and i think things went bad for him after this car crash and hanging out with the wrong crowd. the next thank you know he starts dealing drugs in laredo and it's unbelievable turn of events with him. able to navigate his way through the mexican cartel system. >> one of the things gary alluded to, fred, in this report was the violence that la barbie was engaged in it sounded awful. some of what i was reading. he was a real force to be wrooikenned with. what did you make of that? >> it's truly a brutal world they're living with. you rule by fear. the only way you're going to get any kind of support in that world is to, in essence, execute your enemy. you have to rule with an iron

fist. and you can't be afraid not to kill, especially to send that signal to your rivals. >> and they would send videotaped messages, i understand, back and forth, with evidence of some of these gruesome killings. but something, you know, there were reports indicating that there was no fire fight between mexican authorities and la barbie when he was captured. did that surprise you? >> the most interesting thing to me in looking at that is, especially in light of the revelation that he had been an informant for the mexican government for two years, is that it's our intelligence indicates that he just turned himself in. he cut a deal. and in essence, he's going to turn government witness. >> so he turned a deal and you think that's because he's fearful of what's happening with the cartels or some retaliation from other cartels? >> there was no good ending to this story. either he had to pump himself in or he knew he was going to end

up being killed in a hail of gunfire. so in essence, by being an informant, he has gained his freedom from mexico and will be extradited to the united states. and it would not surprise me in the least, so to see him testify against many other drug lords. >> how valuable do you think the information that he provides will be? >> he's an extraordinarily valuable source from that stand point. he's going to be able to tell dea and the department of jaw stigs how they launder their money. intimate personnel knowledge of how these organizations work. how they kill. he literally knows where the bodies are buried. >> that will be interesting to see what comes of that and he'll be extradited to the eyes as we said. fred burton, thanks for your incites. >> thank you. still ahead, a cnn hero ac 360 exclusive. the chilean miners and rescuers share intimate details.

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you know, much of the world spent days watching the dramatic rescue in cliel as 33 miners were pulled from the depth of the earth one by one, they survived 69 days trapped underground. they were profiles and courage for each and every one of them and so were the lives who brought them out of the collapsed mine. this weekend, all 33 miners and their rescuers wither in los angeles for the taping of the "heroes" program anderson sat down with them. it's cnn "ac 360" heroes seg lgt. >> when did you realize something was terribly wrong? >> translator: at first this was a lot of noise. after a few moments there was a lot of dust. and then we felt a suction through the tunnel. there was so much dust it was intense. i couldn't see very far in front of me. there was a thick cloud of dust. that's when i knew something

big, something very serious had happened. >> jimmy, you have not worked in the mines very long. when this happened, what did you think? what was going through your head? >> translator: i've only worked in the mines for four months. when this was happening, i only thought of god. because i thought we were all going to die. >> you thought you were going to die? >> translator: yes. >> what were you seeing around you? what did it feel like? >> translator: there was dust everywhere. i thought of my family. i thought of god. and my hope was that we could all come out alive. >> translator: i was at the bottom of the mine. i drive trucks and i didn't hear much noise. we were able to if i extinguish loading the truck and i started driving out but the dust became very thick. i couldn't see more than 50 centimeters from the front of the truck. >> jose, did you know that people were going to start searching for you?

did you know that people were searching for you in those first few days? >> translator: yes, i knew the company had the responsibility to start the search and come find us. there were policies in place to find us. >> did you hear people searching for you? could you hear them trying to find you? >> translator: yes. as soon as we heard the first drill, we knew they were looking for us. we heard it. >> and at that point, were you in complete darkness? was it all dark? i mean, you had lights but how often would you use your lights. >> there was light and we had power coming from the battery of the truck. there wasn't much, it was dim. much like candlelight in the mine. >> would you have the lights on all the time or would you ration them or how did you -- >> translator: we knew we were in a critical situation. and we needed to organize ourselves. we needed to organize many things including rationing things like light.

>> how figure out how much food you could actually -- everybody could have? >> translator: it was an issue that caused us tension. it was very, very delicate at the time. >> how do you hold on to hope? i mean, especially in those first two weeks? how do you not fall into despair? >> translator: we used many things. especially faith. we also relied on the experience of the older miners. and we had to remain united. we relied deeply on each other. >> mario, you wrote the letter to your wife. what did you say to her? >> translator: we've been married for 32 years. i told her things i've never told her. or only told her very few times. i told her things that came from

inside. from my heart. i told her how much i loved her. i told her that if i were to come out of this alive, we would finally have the church wedding that we've never had. >> that's amazing. that's a great story and an important program note on that. "cnn heroes" an all-star tribute airs this thursday on 8:00 p.m. eastern, 5s p.m. pacific. see how much harry potter made in its opening weekend. i'll give you a clue. it's a record, even for them. and see who we add to our redicu-list. a pastor that poll gietdsed to his congregation. wait until you hear why. ice 1) we've detected an anomaly...

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we're following several other stories. susan hendricks joining us with our 360 "news and business bulletin." sanjay a 2-year-old boy was killed after he fell out after a luxury suite at the los angeles staples center. he fell about 50 feet as his family was taking photos at the ends of the lakers' basketball game. more than 300 people have been killed in a stampede at a festival in cambodia. a bridge packed with people began to sway, creating panic. the police then fired a water cannon trying to get them to move. a doctor says many of the victims were suffocated and electricity cu electrocuted. and in utah, authorities are looking for lance leero leeroy arellano believed to be arm and dangerous and seeking

medical attention. he could be hiding in a state park and he's a person of interest in the shooting of a park ranger on friday night. the rangeer is hospitalized in critical but stable condition. and we are talking movies. harry potter making box office magic again. part one, earning an estimated $330 million worldwide this weekend. that includes $125 million here in the u.s. that's the best american opening weekend for the franchise since 2005, "harry potter and the goblet of fire" for more than $20 million. >> it's hard to believe it's coming to an sneends harry potter just keeps going. >> two parts for this last movie. you get the first part now and the second part at the end of summer. >> a lot of people will be disappointed there's only one left. >> i know. susan, thank you very much. time to and another name note the redicu-list. it's down right ridiculousness. who did it tonight?

meet reverend cedric miller who launched a one-man crusade against facebook. he believes the social networking site is a threat to marriage because he says it can rekindle old passions. your friend an old flame on facebook and before you know it, an inferno ignites and your marriage is toast. that's what he told a reporter last week. >> most times, facebook creates the vehicle for people to really unite with their past. if it's a pre-jesus past, it needs to stay dead and buried. >> reverend miller is the senior minister at the time living word christian fellowship in new jersey and said a large percentage of his counseling over the last 18 months have been for marital problems, including infidelity, stemming from facebook. he warned his parishioners to stop using facebook. he said, stop using facebook or resign. but around the same time a local

newspaper started to dig. turns out that reverend miller shown here with his wife, kim, also a paster, has some lapse newspapers his own marriage. in 2003, he testified as part of a legal proceeding that years earlier he had a four-way affair with his wife and a male church assistant. apparently, the church's assistant's wife was sometimes involved as well. keep in mind, reverend miller's marriage went astray before facebook existed. facebook didn't launch until 2004. over the weekend, the pastor apologized to his parishioners in what was described as a rousing, two-hour sermon. cameras were not allowed but here's some of that sermon. >> for any pain that my past mistakes have caused you, i, again, as i did many years ago, ask for your forgiveness. to revisit those people, emotions or even memories with is a betrayal to the covenant that you are currently in. >> now, reverend miller offered to step down if church leaders

thought he should. he was showered with support after his sermon and he still sticks to his story. that facebook is a danger to marriage. whether he's the one to be sounding the alarm, well, you can decide for yourself. you know, it seemed a bit ridiculous to us so reverend cedric miller, you're on our redicu-list. the new airport scanners. expensive. some call them intrusive. but do they even work? new research to tell you about in "keeping them honest." ♪ you got a brand-new key ♪ i think that we should get together ♪ ♪ and try them out, you see ♪ i've been looking around a while ♪ ♪ you got something for me ♪ oh, i got a brand-new... [ male announcer ] now you can send photos straight to your printer from any mobile device. now let's send one to aunt susan.

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thanks to all of you as well for watching. tonight you say, you want them to keep their hands off you at the airport. well we've got news for you about the alternative. those new scanners. we'll tell you about some new research on how much they can miss and i'll tell you this. it could be enough to take down an airliner. what the study shows and what the government isn't telling you

but another vital question. is any of what we're putting ourselves through with airport security really providing, you know, airport security? "keeping them honest." and tonight, high school classmates thought he looked so all-american they called him la barbie, as in barbie and ken. now he's called one of mexico's most vicious drug lords and he's coming home to the united states. "crime and punishment". and our cnn heroes, a "ac 360" exclusive. the heroes in the mine. miners and rescuers sit down with anderson. that's the big 360 interview. and tonight, "keeping them honest." new information and if you're already unhappy about the enhanced pat-downs at the airport or those fancy new x-ray machines you're not going to like this one bit. new research due out this week suggesting that many of these gadgets now at about 70 airports around the country, cost about $170,000 a pop, they're put there to stop the next underwear bomber. well, they simply won't do what they promise.

they won't detect the kind of bomb the terrorists are using these days. what's more, there's a government accountability office report from back in march raising doubts about the scanners. back in march. and on top of all that, we learned of another report. a report on real-life testing of how well or how poorly the bomb detectors work. you want to know the bottom line? so would we but we can't because the report is classified. as we said, there's new research and it's not classified and i'll tell you about it shortly. but this is all coming to a head right now because of the alternative. these new, tougher pat-downs. they are setting off a backlash. a breast cancer survivor being told to remove her prosthetic. a man soaked in urine when the tsa agent ruptured his prosthetic bladder. children being frisked. needless groping. pictures like these causing a major backlash across the country. what does the head of the tsa say about it?

what, if anything, is he doing about which the the busiest travel day of the year coming up? will there be any changes? apparently not. >> the public will see what we have been working on the last several weeks in terms of they have the option to not go through the advanced imaging technology in the 70 or so airports where we have the machines. if they do opt out they get a thorough patdown so make sure we don't have a christmas-day type bomb we are a nonmetallic device concealed on his body. >> john pistone on that. he hit the nail on the head. they are desteined to stop the alleged the underwear bomber. if you look at the images of the scanners, you think they work pretty well. there's a pistol on the left guy's right leg. and on the right-hand guy on his waist, you see a brick of explosives or drugs. but according to the authors of this new study to be published this week in the "journal of transportation security" it's just not that simple or safe. the machines are only good at

detecting sharp edges so look at this. they're testing with dummies. the scanner picks up a water bottle on the left and a iron bar on the right because of those edges. but what it does not catch is this. a smooth, round, deadly pancake of petn explosive. >> that's about 20 grams which is four times more than the underwear bomber had. and that would not be detected by the machine. you could get that through. in fact, i think you could probably get more through than that. >> the scanning technology expert, he authored the study but there have been two other investigations of the scanners and at least one of them, the nonclassified report of march 17th which says this, it remains unclear whether the ait, the new scanning technology, would have detected the weapon used in the december of 2009 incident, based on the preliminary information

the gao has received. a couple of footnotes to all this. we don't yet have the full version of the private study coming out this week but we don't yet have any version of the study gao apparently did. we reached out to tsa regarding the report and the classified report because but we haven't heard back from them. we have a big travel week ahead and there's a lot of big questions to ask. we have the national correspondent for "the atlantic." noted author on aviation and security. and fran town thanks to both of you for being town send. >> fran, let me start with you. you've talked quite a bit about this. you say these measures are a deterrent and there's obviously something to be said for that. but the gao report and the private study say the scanners might not have stopped the christmas-day bomber last year. how good are they? >> first let's be clear. the metal detectors that you normally go through, they wouldn't detect it because they don't detect explosives.

the advanced imaging technology, these rapid scanners we're going through now, they also don't detect explosives. they detect mass. frankly, the question becomes -- if they can detect that there's an unexplained mass it will lead you into a patdown. are any of these things foolproof? absolutely not. but you create an operational environment that's unpredictable for our enemies which means they can't be sure whether or not they have can get it through. your increase their risk which means you increase the likelihood that you'll throw them off their game. >> i think part of the issue this week, fran, is the backlash. you hear the incidents of a young boy being searched and the father taking the kid's shirt off to he wasn't a threat. the cancer patient having to remove a prosthetic breast. have we really reached that level of scrutiny? >> let me be clear. i'm not apologizing for any of that. none of that is necessary.

you travel all over the world, i travel throughout the middle east. there are private screening areas. and none of that ever happens in public. people are able to be spoken to and examined and have a search that's not publicly humiliating. you don't have to do it the way it's being done. what you're hearing from secretary nepolitano, they understand they haven't gone about this as well as they might have and they need to revamp and make sure that the people are trained to do this in the least invasive way as possible. >> and to be fair, a think a lot of the tsa agents try to respect privacy as much as possible. i travel a lot. you're calling what we see "security theater." this is something you write quite a bit about. how do you balance this idea of making us safer with these sorts of screening measures? how do you reconcile that? >> it was a great security expert, bruce schneider who coined that term "security

theater." he meant things that look as if we're preventing threats but left out whole other areas we're not concentrating on. of course, metal detectors make sense for people in airports. if you look at the main sources of where we've gotten information on threats, it's from intelligence networks. cargo, you can get closer to cargo than you can on a passenger. much less screening of the cargo now than the passengers so it's a question of proportion. i think the outcry of the last week are people have been exposed to the patdowns or the privacy intrusions of the advanced imaging technology has brought to bear something that brought up something that's been discussed for a couple of years. whether it makes sense to have so much cost and emphasis on this one aspect of the anti-terrorism fight and neglecting out of proportion to a lot of other things which we could be doing. >> it's one of those things and again, it's a tough question to ask. if something were to happen, mr. fallows, there was another

terrorism attack, would people say -- look, maybe you were not doing enough? we're living without that piece of information right now. >> i think you've hit upon what is, in fact, the social tragedy, if you will, about this. i think our society like anyone on the whole is willing to accept some risk tradeoffs. we let people drive cars even though 30,000 people a year die in cars. we accept all kinds of risks and as a whole society, we're willing to say there's certain civil liberties we won't give up. but for any politician or any tsa administrator to say that or a screener who might be caught letting things through that becomes very risky. so there's a ratchet-like effect to these measures. easy to impose and difficult for any public leader to say, maybe we don't need it maybe there's something different that we can accept. >> in fairness, we ought to be clear. it's not just the christmas-day bomber they're trying to stop. we just had this attempt of the cargo from yemen. this is the same bomb maker.

they don't know how he's adapting or what he'll try next. they're trying very hard to stop the next attack but as jim says, there's -- nothing is 100% guaranteed. >> and in fairness, the question of proportion, is it worth the extra money on intelligence to find the next bombmaker versus screening every person with enhanced patdowns? that's the question. >> and we don't know how much of the other intelligence is going on. we see what we see but lots of people are interested in this, especially the busy travel week. thanks so much both of you. >> let us know what you think. join our last chat under way at ac360.com up next, who are you going to believe? the politician or the videotape of that same politician? michelle bachman who made global news with her false allegations right here on 360 is trying to explain, that's not really what she said. not exactly. we'll play the tape and you can make up your own mind. how they endured and how others worked around the clock to bring them back into the

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another "keeping them honest" report. congresswoman, michelle bachman is back in the news. is she trying to respin something she plainly said right here on this program. a false allegation she made. in a moment we'll play the tape so you can decide. so i can decide. you'll recall, anderson invited her on to talk about the deficit and identify some specific budget cuts for closing the gap. instead, on the very first

answer she started talking about how much money president obama's trip to india was costing, using a totally outlandish figure. >> i think we know that within a day or so the president of the united states will be taking a trip over to india that is expected to cost the taxpayers $200 million a day. he's taking 2,000 people with him. he'll be renting out over 870 rooms in india. and these are five-star hotel rooms at the taj mahal palace hotel. this is kind of over-the-top spending. it's a very small example, anderson. >> no one really knows the cost because for security reasons they don't disclose the cost. so this idea that it's $200 million is simply made up. >> these are the numbers that have been coming out in the press and those are the numbers -- >> do you agree with what you read in the press? >> should i what you say, anderson? that's really the question. >> i'm not reporting this $200 million figure. >> now, to be fair, no one with any knowledge of the subject believes the trip costs anywhere near that much.

the source of the story turns out to be a wire service report out of india quoting an unnamed provincial official. it wasn't until anderson challenged her until she said it was in the press and let alone, a single unnamed source in the overseas press. now, is she trying to spin her way out of it? this is recent from the bbc. >> you claim that president obama spent $200 million a day on a trip to india. it's been roundly ridiculed as a quote. >> actually, i didn't claim that. i was quoting a newspaper out of india and i only used that quote after many -- >> why did you do that? >> well, number one, it came out of the host country, in india. it came out of a well-respected financial newspaper. >> and you believed that, $200 million a day? >> excuse me. all i did is i quoted newspaper.

i quoted newspaper and major national figures here in the united states, many across the media, for several days had already been using that figure. the reason why it was so important is because the president has a two-year history of out of control spending. >> you still believe he spent $200 million a day on that trip? you believe that? >> i didn't say whether i believe it or not. what i said is i was quoting a newspaper -- >> now, in fairness, many politicians say thing for effect. and then they try to unsay them when someone puts them on the spot. but some do it more than others and miss bachmann seems to have a history. >> would you categorically announce the united states moving a way from the dollar and going to a global currency? >> that's her during a hearing last year repeating another false allegation that the united states might drop the dollar. in fact, the story was quite a complicated one about a chinese suggestion to created a new global reserve currency. nothing to do with getting rid of the dollar.

that notion came from a headline on the dredge report. and before the 2008 election, miss bachmann suggested that her colleagues might be disloyal to their country. >> most americans, chris, are wild about america. and they're very concerned to have a president who doesn't share those values. what i would say is the news media needs to be a penetrating exposé and take a look. i wish they would. i wish the american media would take a great look at the views of the people in congress and find out -- are they pro america or anti-america? >> and later on fox, she said this -- >> you've said you're concerned during the campaign that obama had anti-american views and you said the news media should do a penetrating exposé and take a look at the views of people in congress and find out if they are pro american or anti-american. >> that's not what i said. it's an urban legend that was created.

that's not what i said at all. >> in the bbc interview we played for you, the congresswoman insinuated that president obama was anti-american. we'll see if how or if she plains that next. joining us now, eric erikkson and maria cordona. thanks for joining us. >> eric, is this crazy or is it calculated? maybe she's not ready for primetime, some colleagues are saying. what do you make of this? >> this is going into the absurd. i saw that report on november 2nd during the election. i was on cnn. it was on the dredge report. she clicked through it and it was an immediate yeah report out of india. it seemed like when she was talking to anderson about it on the 3rd, it was clear she was basing her opinion based on that story which was wrong. but it was quoted all over the place. we talked about it that night and we were all dismissive of it. she based that off of something in the media which was wrong. >> i get that. i understand that.

is there a greater level of accountability that someone like her needs to have? $200 million a day, eric, is what that unnamed official in an oversays wire article overseas wire article said. you have to use your common sense. >> you know, it doesn't for you or for me and i don't think she should have said it. i think she probably should have come out and said she was wrong and that was november 3rd and she moved on and the rest of us haven't. >> i understand what you're saying and that's fair what you said. the point is that is there a higher level of accountability when she makes statements like that? let's move on. maria, you talked about this before. you can argue that michele bachmann has more media savvy then or colleagues, despite all this, couldn't you? >> what i would say in terms of her being media-savvy, she knows how to become fodder on cable news. look at us, we're here talking about her and to you were point, sanjay, this is isn't the first

time she's done this. she's been making outlandish statements and ridiculous statements for the past two years, at least, and even before that. so i think the problem for michele bachmann and frankly, for her supporters is that facts and video are pesky things. they are on the record and people know exactly what you've said and what you haven't said. and even though i think that this is something that she saw in a report if it was something she saw in a report and she didn't really believe she wanted to mention that was part of her argument she should have said -- this is what reports from india are saying. she didn't say that. so this, again, goes to the facts as to whether she even knows what she's talking about when she's going on tv or any other interview. >> sanjay, it's not just michele bachmann's fault. it's also the media. take the obama anti-american clip. you played the clip from where that comes from and she didn't say obama was anti-american. she referenced members of

congress and said are they pro america or anti-america and does president obama have a view that most americans understand. but the headline is "obama is anti-american." >> to maria's point, we spent a lot of time talking about michele bachmann. she's not the only politician who has differences. sarah palin got asked this today. i'll play for you. whether she would speak to journalist, katie couric again. here's part of her response. >> i want to help clean up the state that's so sorry today, of journalism. i have a communication's degree. i studied journalism. who, what, when and whereof reporting. i'm speak to to the journalists, expectation that. public has for truth to be reported. >> eric, tell me if you agree. she's been communicating through fox news, facebook, twitter. she's not been facing too many reporters at all these days. is it -- is that any way to prep for a presidential run? can she get away with that? >> absolutely. in a republican primary she can

be on fox news and have millions of people watching her who, frankly, will go out and vote for her. she can go on talk radio. conservatives have fantastic outlets other than the traditional news outlets to communicate in the primary. it won't work in a general election but to get her the nomination, it will. i wouldn't waste my time on cbs news either. my rea, if she decides to run in 2012, do you she she can get away with avoiding the tough questions throughout the campaign? >> i don't think so but i agree with eric. this will work for her if she wants the republican presidential nomination. we've seen that the conservative right wing actually do have their own outlets and they do nurture their own spokespeople and she happens to be one of them. so as a democrat, i really hope she does exactly what eric mentioned. and runs and wins the nomination. because he said it himself and i completely agree, there's no way that doing that she could win the general election in 2012. i think that she represents and

michele bachmann represents a huge challenge for the republican party and that's demonstrating that they actually have mainstream views. palin and bachmann do not represent the mainstream views. >> stay tuned. they are more mainstreamed than most people think. >> both of you, thanks and lots more i'm sure will be discussed. >> thank you so much. up next, the growing health crisis in haiti. the death toll in the cholera outbreak. i was just there. the crisis is rising and health officials predict the scale of the new epidemic exceeds all estimates. and the cnn heroes, anderson talks with several of the rescued chilean miners. they were trapped underground for nearly two and a half months. how did they not fall into despair? how did they hold on to hope? we'll find out next. when the economy tumbled, jpmorgan chase set up new offices to work one-on-one with homeowners. since 2009, we've helped over 200,000 americans

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coming up, cnn heroes, an "ac 360" exclusive. anderson sits down with the chilean miners and talks about what it was like to ration food. susan hendricks joins us with the "360 bulletin." sanjay, nine years after washington intern chandra levy disappeared a man has been found guilty in her death. the jury convicted the man of

first-degree murder. the injure convicted the man of first-degree murder. he could get life in prison without parole. a secret service agent who was there when jfk was assassinated on this day in 1963, says he was haunted by the idea that he could have gotten there just moments faster. former agents haven't said much since that day in dallas 47 years ago. but a new book called "the kennedy detail" includes accounts from many agents who were there. accounts from many agents bhorp at least 1300 people have died in haiti's cholera outbreak and health officials say the death toll could end up even higher than the 200,000 they predicted. poor sanitation and lack of access to help centers are making the epidemic spread and sanjay, as you said, you just got back, you've been there several times, literally saving lives. and in one of your reports i watched you see a warehouse full of supplies but people are still dieing. >> susan, it's unbelievable to hear those numbers you're talking about that that many people could die. this country just doesn't seem to be able to catch a break. this warehouse, what was so striking was that it had some of

the most basic supplies which are all that are necessary, really, to try to treat patients with cholera. if you can get clean water and basic supplies, people live. if they don't get those supplies they won't survive and unfortunately, that's what's happening. and quickly, there was a sort of area where this outbreak began, the cholera outbreak. what's happening now is absolutely predicted. people walking around the country, disseminating this particular bacteria and more and more people are getting sick around the country. hundreds of thousands possibly, of illnesses predicted. it is mind-boggling. people on their hands and knees for water. >> did he say why he wasn't distributing what was in the warehouse? >> part of the issue, and to be fair to the organizations, sometimes they say we have to plan ahead. if there's more cases in another part of the country we may need to divert our resources over there. that makes no difference to the people a few miles away who didn't get the resources in the first place.

so hopefully, we'll get back down there susan and talk much more about haiti. a lot of people are really concerned about it. moving on, we have our "beat 360" winners. our daily challenge. a chance to show up staffers by coming up with a better caption to the photo we post every day. tonight's photo, some of the back street boys hooked up with the new kids on the block. our staff winner tonight is will. his caption? "back, streets back -- oh no!" i don't know if that was my singing tore caption. the winner, from charlottesville, virginia, bravo unveiled its new show "the real has been's of orange county." the "beat 360" t-shirt is on its way. thanks for bearing with us. and now time for tonight's shot. we've been reporting the aggressive patdowns and full body scans have outraged many travelers.

for "saturday night live" it's great material for a laugh. >> when selected for a full body scanner, say "no." you'll be pulled aside by a tsa agent and that's when the fun begins. and you never know who your agent will be. it could be me. >> or me. >> or even me. >> but it's probably going to be us. take off your damn shoes. >> the tsa. >> does that make you want to travel, susan, this weekend? >> i love the fuzzy camera shots. >> the soft camera shot, sure. >> exactly. >> i don't know. i think maybe we'll be talking about this for sometime to come, you think? >> me, too. i don't know how those actors did it with a straight face. >> i think every now and then they crack, as they say. >> you're right. >> we'll be back with you shortly. back to the serious stiff, an alleged drug kingpin captured

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facing charges of felony cocaine trafficking and conspiracy and is expected to be extradited to the united states very soon. here's the story of la barbie. >> reporter: he has light colored hair and blue eyes, from a well to-do family and played high school football in texas for the school team. but now, mexican authorities say edgar valdez is a drug kingpin. he's ruthless and dangerous and in this interrogation by mexican police following his arrest he's asked where he's from. >> laredo, texas. he's an american. the only u.s. citizen believed to be in the upper echelon of

the narco traffic world. police ask him what business he's in? he says, he's a narco trafficker and then he's asked what his nickname is. la barbie. a name he got in school from friends who thought he looked like a ken doll. this mug shot shows him when he was 18 years old, arrested in texas, charged with criminally negligent vehicular homicide. charges were developed 37 he went to la ray do high school and this is from the 1991 school yearbook. he was arrested for other reasons after high school including dwi and public intoxication. but police say he was also a drug dealer. >> you know, the things that he has been accused of, it's amazing to us. >> this is the sheriff of web county texas, a county on the mexican border along the ree you grand. he was a state trooper when la barbie was a teen and planned to meet him at this fast-food

restaurant for an undercover marijuana deal. so you arranged this and he said he would pay a lot of money? >> what happened. >> he never showed up. he never materialized. >> he never got busted for the drugs in the u.s. authorities say he fled to mexico, disappearing into the violent underworld and rising to the top. here in mexico, he was widely feared. many believed he was one of the western hemisphere's most notorious drug cartel leaders. la barbie, used to knock heads on the football field allegedly, oversaw the cutting off of heads. >> living in this upper class neighborhood, he said he maintains his love for im. his lawyer says he will plead not guilty and the interrogation tape was coerced and not legally proper. sheriff wonders if things would have played out differently had he managed to arrest him years earlier at the fast-food restaurant. >> we joke around and say, if you arrested him maybe he wouldn't have done what he's doing now but you never know. >> it will be weeks before he's

extradited back home to the united states, but it will be the very opposite of a triumphant homecoming. gary tuchman, cnn, laredo, texas. fred burton is the vice president of counterterrorism. corporate security. a global intelligence company and author of "ghost -- confessions of a counterterrorism agent." thank you for joining us, sir. >> good evening. >> good evening. fred, la barbie as you heard on the report, he's the only american citizen known to have moved so high in the command structure of the mexican cartels. why do you think that's the first time that happened? what made him special? >> it's truly an amazing story. this is a kid that appeared to have everything going for him in laredo. he has successful siblings and i think things went bad for him

after this car crash and hanging out with the wrong crowd. the next thank you know he starts dealing drugs in laredo and it's unbelievable turn of events with him. able to navigate his way through the mexican cartel system. >> one of the things gary alluded to, fred, in this report was the violence that la barbie was engaged in it sounded awful. some of what i was reading. he was a real force to be reckoned with. what did you make of that? >> it's truly a brutal world they're living with. you rule by fear. the only way you're going to get any kind of support in that world is to, in essence, execute your enemy. you have to rule with an iron fist. and you can't be afraid not to kill, especially to send that signal to your rivals. >> and they would send videotaped messages, i

understand, back and forth, with evidence of some of these gruesome killings. but something, you know, there were reports indicating that there was no fire fight between mexican authorities and la barbie when he was captured. did that surprise you? >> the most interesting thing to me in looking at that is, especially in light of the revelation that he had been an informant for the mexican government for two years, is that it's our intelligence indicates that he just turned himself in. he cut a deal. and in essence, he's going to turn government witness. >> so he turned a deal and you think that's because he's fearful of what's happening with the cartels or some retaliation from other cartels? >> there was no good ending to this story. either he had to pump himself in -- turn himself in or he knew he was going to end up being killed in a hail of gunfire. so in essence, by being an informant, he has gained his freedom from mexico and will be

extradited to the united states. and it would not surprise me in the least, so to see him testify against many other drug lords. >> how valuable do you think the information that he provides will be? >> he's an extraordinarily valuable source from that stand point. he's going to be able to tell dea and the department of justice how they launder their money. intimate personnel knowledge of how these organizations work. how they kill. he literally knows where the bodies are buried. >> that will be interesting to see what comes of that and he'll be extradited to the united states, as we said. fred burton, thanks for your incites. >> thank you. still ahead, a cnn hero ac 360 exclusive. the chilean miners and rescuers share intimate details. they sat down with anderson. that's the big "ac 360" interview and that's coming up. who made tonight's ridiculous crusade in facebook but apologized to his congregation? we'll explain.

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you know, much of the world spent days watching the dramatic rescue in chile as 33 miners were pulled from the depths of the earth one by one, they survived 69 days trapped underground. they were profiles and courage for each and every one of them and so were the lives who brought them out of the collapsed mine. this weekend, all 33 miners and and their rescuers were in los

angeles for the taping of the "heroes" program anderson sat down with them. their rescuers wither in los angeles for the taping of the "heroes" program anderson sat down with them. it's cnn "ac 360" heroes seg lgt. >> when did you realize >> when did you realize something was terribly wrong? >> translator: at first this was a lot of noise. after a few moments there was a lot of dust. and then we felt a suction through the tunnel. there was so much dust it was intense. i couldn't see very far in front of me. there was a thick cloud of dust. that's when i knew something big, something very serious had happened. >> jimmy, you have not worked in the mines very long. when this happened, what did you think? what was going through your head? >> translator: i've only worked in the mines for four months. when this was happening, i only thought of god. because i thought we were all going to die. >> you thought you were going to die? >> translator: yes.

>> what were you seeing around you? what did it feel like? >> translator: there was dust everywhere. i thought of my family. i thought of god. and my hope was that we could all come out alive. >> translator: i was at the bottom of the mine. i drive trucks and i didn't hear much noise. we were able to if i extinguish loading the truck and i started driving out but the dust became very thick. i couldn't see more than 50 centimeters from the front of the truck. >> jose, did you know that people were going to start searching for you? did you know that people were searching for you in those first few days? >> translator: yes, i knew the company had the responsibility to start the search and come find us. there were policies in place to find us. >> did you hear people searching for you? could you hear them trying to find you? >> translator: yes. as soon as we heard the first drill, we knew they were looking for us. we heard it.

>> and at that point, were you in complete darkness? was it all dark? i mean, you had lights but how often would you use your lights. >> there was light and we had power coming from the battery of the truck. there wasn't much, it was dim. much like candlelight in the mine. >> would you have the lights on all the time or would you ration them or how did you -- >> translator: we knew we were in a critical situation. and we needed to organize ourselves. we needed to organize many things including rationing things like light. >> how did you figure out how much food you could actually -- everybody could have? >> translator: it was an issue that caused us tension. it was very, very delicate at the time. >> how do you hold on to hope? i mean, especially in those first two weeks? how do you not fall into despair?

>> that's amazing. that's a great story and an important program note on that. "cnn heroes" an all-star tribute airs this thursday on 8:00 p.m. eastern, 5 p.m. pacific. see how much harry potter made in its opening weekend. i'll give you a clue. it's a record, even for them. and see who we add to our redicu-list. a pastor that apologized to his congregation. wait until you hear why. [trumpet playing "reveille" throughout]

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we're following several other stories. susan hendricks joining us with our 360 "news and business bulletin." sanjay a 2-year-old boy was killed after he fell out after a luxury suite at the los angeles staples center. he fell about 50 feet as his family was taking photos at the ends of the lakers' basketball game. more than 300 people have been killed in a stampede at a festival in cambodia. a bridge packed with people began to sway, creating panic. the police then fired a water cannon trying to get them to move. a doctor says many of the victims were suffocated and electrocuted. the government denies anyone was electrocuted. and in utah, authorities are looking for lance

leeroy arellano believed to be arm and dangerous and seeking medical attention. he could be hiding in a state park and he's a person of interest in the shooting of a park ranger on friday night. the ranger is hospitalized in critical but stable condition. and we are talking movies. harry potter making box office magic again. part one, earning an estimated $330 million worldwide this weekend. that includes $125 million here in the u.s. that's the best american opening weekend for the franchise since 2005, "harry potter and the goblet of fire" which was more than $20 million. >> it's hard to believe it's coming to an ends. >> harry potter just keeping going and going. >> two parts for this last movie. you get the first part now and the second part at the end of summer. >> a lot of people will be disappointed there's only one left. >> i know. susan, thank you very much.

time to and another name note the redicu-list. it's down right ridiculousness. who did it tonight? meet reverend cedric miller who launched a one-man crusade against facebook. he believes the social networking site is a threat to marriage because he says it can rekindle old passions. your friend an old flame on facebook and before you know it, an inferno ignites and your marriage is toast. that's what he told a reporter last week. >> most times, facebook creates the vehicle for people to really unite with their past. if it's a pre-jesus past, it needs to stay dead and buried. >> reverend miller is the senior minister at the living word christian fellowship in new jersey and said a large

percentage of his counseling over the last 18 months have been for marital problems, including infidelity, stemming from facebook. he warned his parishioners to stop using facebook. he said, stop using facebook or resign. but around the same time a local newspaper started to dig. turns out that reverend miller shown here with his wife, kim, also a pastor, had some lapses in his observe marriage. in his own marriage. in 2003, he testified as part of a legal proceeding that years earlier he had a four-way affair with his wife and a male church assistant. apparently, the church's assistant's wife was sometimes involved as well. keep in mind, reverend miller's marriage went astray before facebook existed. facebook didn't launch until 2004. over the weekend, the pastor apologized to his parishioners in what was described as a rousing, two-hour sermon. cameras were not allowed but here's some of that sermon. >> for any pain that my past mistakes have caused you, i, again, as i did many years ago, ask for your forgiveness. to revisit those people, emotions or even memories with is a betrayal to the covenant that you are current