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extraordinary and every time will be bigger. and the piece of the chair of the paper will be smaller and smaller. >> larry: i hope we can do this again. >> i loved to be with you. >> larry: and i look forward to coming to see the opening of the new museum in mexico in january. >> we will be honored that you'll be there. >> larry: carlos slim. al pacino is here monday night. al pacino is here monday night. now "ac 360." -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com thanks, larry, and thank you for watching. i'm randi kaye. anderson cooper has the night off. tonight with unemployment rising and jobless benefits expiring, what are your elected officials doing about it? one says working with republicans is almost like negotiating with terrorists. yet another is pushing for online gaming. there sure are a lot of people not doing any work these days. we're keeping the ones in washington honest. also tonight, a different take on repealing don't ask, don't
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tell. some of the military service chiefs raising concerns, all of them saying they'll make the change if the senate acts. one big name republican skeptic changing his views on lifting the law. and later the town that disney built, white picket fences and now yellow crime scene tape. why there is no celebration in celebration, florida, tonight. we begin as always keeping them honest. tonight politicians on both sides of the aisle fighting over extending tax cuts for the wealthy. some say playing games over it, while americans pound the pavement looking for a paycheck. a whole lot of americans. new numbers, the jobless rate climbing tonight actually from 9.6% in october to 9.8% in november. the economy adding 39,000 jobs, down from 172,000 in october. in all, more than 15 million americans are unemployed, more than 6 million have been unemployed for more than six months. so what are the people you sent to washington doing about it?
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well, democrats and republicans appear to be bickering over tax cuts. this, while a bill to extend unemployment benefits is stalled. democratic senator tom harkin today, slamming republicans for obstructing the bill but also taking a shot at president obama for not doing more. >> have republicans lost all sense of what's right and what's wrong? they can fight for the -- for their tax breaks for the wealthy and stuff accident fine. that's what they're fighting for. fine. i understand that. but to say we cannot extend unemployment benefits for people out of work because we haven't yet given the tax breaks to the wealthy, i -- that's a moral outrage. and i ask, where is our outrage at something like this. where's the president's outrage at this.
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the president ought to be out there saying, this is morally outrageous that we're going to deny unemployment benefits to people this time of the year especially. >> president obama was in afghanistan talking to troops which presidents traditionally do around the holidays and sometimes when the domestic picture gets just too grim. but back to the point about jobless benefits being held hostage, according to the senator for american progress, a liberal think tank, in the last 40 years congress has never failed to extend emergency benefits when the jobless rate was above 7.2%. four decades of bipartisan agreement. that's what voters say they want and what top democrats and republicans seem to commit themselves to this week at the white house, to working better together and reaching across the aisle. yet just a day later, every senate republican signed a letter vowing to block any and all legislation until the tax cut issue is settled. this provoked democratic outrage. >> but the senate republican
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caucus is willing to put all of that in jeopardy. hold hostage tax cuts needed by people working people, middle class families, small businesses. if they can't get a bonus tax cut for millionaires and billionaires. >> then, house democrats passed a tax cut extension for all income below a quarter million dollars and that provoked republican outrage. >> trying to catch my breath so i don't refer to this -- this maneuver going on today as chicken crap. all right? but this is nonsense. all right? >> republicans charging game playing, democrats charging obstructionism and never mind the barn yard waste, how do you like these chickens? >> it's almost like the question of do you negotiate with terrorists. >> democratic senator robert menendez accusing senate republicans of holding
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everything hostage to tax cuts. an aide later saying he was talking about the negotiations, not republicans personally. still, whatever you think of the outcome of those negotiations, it's hard to argue that anyone of any political stripe likes what's going on in washington. in poll after poll, americans rank congress right down there with, well, what congressman boehner said. oh, and if you thought lawmakers are only wasting their time bickering over taxes while americans lose their jobs and the s.t.a.r.t. treaty is waiting to be ratified and don't ask don't tell is on the table, get this. senator harry reid is also using the lame duck session to push legislation, supporting the online poker industry. yes. go figure. joining us from the left and right respectively roland martin and erick erickson. editor in chief of redstate.com. erick, you heard senator tom harkin a moment ago saying, look, how can republicans be focused on extending tax cuts for roughly the wealthiest 2% of the country when you've got
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unemployment benefits for millions of americans set to expire. doesn't that seem on the surface unfair? >> not at all because they're going to pass. this is all political theater on the floor of the senate. the unemployment benefits will be extended. whether or not they should is an entirely separate question, but let's keep in mind the job creators in this country come from the 2% that the tax cuts are going to being expanded to and those are going to be expanded as well. >> roland, does eric have a valid point? it might not seem to be in the holiday spirit but is it just a fiscal reality that they have to be allowed to expire? >> first of all i won't call it a fiscal reality, it could very well not be extended, especially if you have one side or the other draw a line in the sand. here's the fundamental problem that i see with this. and that is we don't have to have the political theater. the letter republicans sent out wasn't necessary. when you look at the comments of menendez, not necessary.
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but when you have two people in terms of two parties actually, republicans and democrats, who actually say, yes, we can find compromise, then you can see two sides coming together. but as long as one side says we're not going to do anything until these two things are dealt with, then it makes no sense whatsoever. so that, to me, what is crazy about this -- and when you have nearly 4 million americans who are going to lose unemployment benefits, that is a serious, fundamental issue and the people who have jobs, they seem not to really care. >> would you like to respond? >> i think the issue is if the government's not going to stay open for business there's going to be no one to print the checks anyway so we've got to figure out some way to keep the government going. this idea of continuing to pass continuing resolutions all along, we should have automatic resolution so we don't have this fight tieing the other issues up. >> it's not the issue of the continuing resolution. again, what you have here is -- and look. when i hear the argument that can we give 95% of folks who are
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middle class, those making under $250,000 allowing the tax cuts to continue, it's not like that is somehow a foreign or crazy argument. but i do think it is nuts to say we're going to hold up everything unless that is dealt with first. that to me makes no sense. >> actually, i think it makes a tremendous amount of sense because if these aren't extended by december 15th we're going to see the bottom fall out of the market because so many stock options come up for renewal that day. you'll have investors, small businessmen, large businessmen, individual americans having to sell stock based on the uncertainty. so they have to get that resolved first, otherwise december 15th we'll see very bad things happen. >> what about the argument that if you don't extended tax breaks to small business owner who's make more than $250,000 you're never going to see the job creation necessary to get the economy back on track. >> first of all, that is a nonsensical argument because it's not as if those are the only individuals who are out there also creating jobs. also when you look at the people out there who own small businesses, many of them don't
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have revenues in terms of their companies that even exceed $250,000. okay? also, the people who make more -- people who earn more than $250,000 on the top 2% in terms of earners in this country, so when you also have people who make less than that, you're dealing with people who are likely families, kids in college, those who are also spending. they're the ones who need those cuts more than anybody else. and again, that's 98% of the people who earn money in the country, under $250,000. 98%. >> yeah, but roland, the independent businesses, more than 60% of small business people, would be affected by this 2% cut. those are the people in that 2%. let's not pretend that it's some anomaly of people up there. there are a great deal of people up there who don't necessarily need the tax cut but 60% of small business people in the country according to the national federation of independent businesses are in there and would be impacted. we can't pick and choose. >> don't make the argument that
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all the people who are $250,000 and above are small business owners. they are not. >> they're not, but 60% of small business owners are. so if we're going to punish them all and not give it to them we're also going to be affecting their ability to create jobs in this country and also the bigger issue is we've been pursuing these democratic strategies for more than a year and they haven't improved unememployment. >> actually, here's the point randi, when you talk about unemployment, i do recall in march of 2009, we -- every time ali velshi came on cnn he was doom and gloom when it came to the stock market. people were talking about their 401(k)s and their pensions. but because of the very financial solutions we're talking about, we are seeing the stock market stabilize, we've seen those very same people, firefighters, teachers and others with pensions and 401(k)s, they're actually stabilized there so this one segment of the economy has gotten better. so, erick, don't try to sit here and act as if nothing -- erick, erick, allow me to finish. allow me to finish.
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don't try to make the argument that nothing worked. in fact, it did work. we also have seen 1.2 million private sector jobs created. do we need more than that? absolutely. >> i think 9.8 unememployment speaks for itself. >> even with the unemployment today you still saw an increase of private sector jobs. >> 31,000 really isn't -- >> final word, then we have to go. >> i say an increase of 31,000 is better than a loss of 500,000. >> we've got to create 400,000 a quarter and we're not doing it. the bigger picture is all the firefighters and people benefitting from the stock market, they're going to be devastated on december 15th because the market will crash when people try to take their capital gains at 15% instead of 20%. >> all right, guys. we'll leave it there. roland martin, erick erickson, thank you so much for joining us. join the live chat under way at
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ac360.com. top military brass and their concerns about lifting don't ask, don't tell. why they don't all agree. we'll tell you which skeptic is changing the law, changed his mind after reading the pentagon study on the issue and hear from one of the study's authors. later president obama's trip to afghanistan and the dire picture those wicky leak state department cables paint of the corrupt afghan partners. ocid most calcium supplemts... t adththod it's dif - alcium crhea
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raw politics and the latest battle lines, today before the senate armied services committee, john mccain got a chance to underscore his charge that while the top military and civilian leadership supports lifting the law, the military service chiefs do not. in fact, that's only partly true. as expected, the marine corps
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commandant, james amos take the toughest line. >> i cannot reconcile, nor turn my back on the negative perceptions held by our marines most engaged in the hard work of day-to-day operations in afghanistan. we asked for their opinions and they gave them to us. their message is that the potential exists for disruption to the successful execution of our current combat mission should repeal be implemented at this time. >> he concluded, though, that the marines could make it work and would make it work, but recommended repeal be delayed. so did air force chief norton schwartz who recommended delaying it until 2012. he like george casey taking exception to the conclusion of the pentagon study on gays in the mitt, namely that the risk to military effective nis of repealing don't ask don't tell would be low. the chief of naval operations calling the risk to his men and women low with the exception of special forces. general casey called the risk
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moderate, but -- >> that said, if repeal is directed, the implementation principles in the report constitute a solid basis upon which to develop plans that will mitigate the risks that i just described. properly implemented, i do not envision that the repeal of don't ask don't tell would keep us from accomplishing our worldwide missions, including combat operations. >> committee chairman carl levin amplifying general casey's point about implementation specified in the language of the bill to repeal it now before the senate. >> if we repeal don't ask don't tell, as i believe we should, the legislation stipulates that repeal will not take effect unless and until there is a certification by the president, secretary of defense, and the chairman of the joint chiefs.
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that they have adapted the necessary implementation steps to assure that we maintain our standards of military readiness and effectiveness, unit cohesion and recruiting and retention. >> that seemed to be enough for massachusetts republican scott brown, a previous opponent of ending the policy. he released a statement saying, quote, i accept the findings of the report and support repeal based on the secretary's recommendations that repeal will be implemented only when the battle effectiveness of the forces is assured and proper pre preparations have been completions. john mccain has had many reasons for keeping don't ask don't tell. first he wanted to hear from the military leadership, then said the president, defense secretary and joint chiefs chairman weren't good enough, he wanted to wait for this study. then he wanted to hear from the
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service heads who expressed more nuanced concerns than perhaps senator mccain might have expected. in any case, he has a new reason to put off consideration. it's not just the war as he has said many times before, it is also the economy. >> i will not agree to have this bill go forward and neither will i believe that 41 of my colleagues will, either, because our economy is in the tank. >> so will a vote go forward during the lame duck session? that's a political question. for more on the policy, i spoke earlier with pentagon general counsel jay johnson who co-authored this week's report on gays in the military. mr. johnson, thank you so much for being with us. let me ask you, both the marine corps commandant and air force saying there is some risk to troops in the field if the ban is repealed right now. now, that is half the service chiefs with big concerns about repeal. is the data in your report
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strong enough to counter that criticism? >> well, first of all, everyone should understand that the chiefs -- it would not be a surprise that, on this complex issue you have differing points of view. our analysis over a ten-month period involved conversations with tens and tens of thousands of service members. it was one of the largest surveys ever, 115,000 respon dants, and it was the judgment and is the judgment of general hamm and myself that the overall risk to military effectiveness of repeal is low. now, a large part of that assessment encompassed the war fighting units, which general amos, general casey, general schwarz were they concerned about. what we saw is while the predictions for negative consequences in war fighting units were higher than the overall force, one has to remember that predictions are
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reflective of attitudes and predictions are very often a poor indicator of future actual behavior. >> let's get to senator john mccain's comments. he had a few problems with your report yesterday. i'm interested in hearing what you thought of his biggest critique. let's listen and we'll get your response. >> what i want to know and what it is is congress's duty to determine is not can our armed forces implement a repeal of this law, but whether the law should be repealed. unfortunately, that key issue was not the focus of this study. >> and he's been saying that for a few months now. is that fair criticism? why didn't the report examine that direct question, should this be repealed? >> well, it was not our task to determine whether the law should be repealed. that is a matter for the congress and the president. what we in effect looked at is whether we can accept repeal in the military right now, and we determined that we could. >> some people have said, and i know that you've heard this before, look, the president, the secretary of defense, the
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chairman of the joint chiefs, they all backed repeal heading into this. months before the results came in, the house actually even voted for repeal. so how do you convince people that politics didn't actually play a role in this, and this was an unbiased study? >> well, first of all, i guarantee you that in the course of talking to tens of thousands of service members, we heard a wide range of views. people were very, very candid, virtually everyone has an opinion in the military about don't ask, don't tell. and we heard across the board, there was no indication to us that the views of the president or the chairman or the secretary in any way infected or slanted the views we heard. and i was frankly surprised and pleased that we got such candor in the course of our review. >> i know in carrying out this study you went on dozens of trips to military bases. you held what you might call town halls, soliciting opinions from the troops.
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i wonder, heading into this, did the idea of those meetings make you nervous at all? >> well, as a matter of fact, it did. i thought that having such large group sessions with between 100 and 300 service members each was going to look something like what we saw last year with large town hall meetings involving the health care discussion. and i was pleasantly surprised at the professionalism and the sevillety of our discussions on what is in fact a very emotional topic. we heard frank discussion, but it was very professional, very civil, and we got -- we got candid views. but at the end of those meetings, everyone felt very good about the fact that they had an opportunity to talk about it and appreciated that we came to their base to discuss the issue with them. >> was there any one response that stood out for you in this study? anything really surprise you from one service member?
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>> i remember at norfolk naval base a sub mariner who was a senior enlisted officer who had been in the navy for years and years and years, i'll never forget what he said. we were expecting a lot of concern about gays serving on subs, because of the close quarters there. and i remember this submariner said, sir, you can put gays on my submarine, you can put women on my submarine, but just don't take away my cigarettes. >> very memorable. all right. jay johnson, we appreciate your time. thank you very much. and just ahead, president obama promised again today to support the troops in afghanistan. the question is, what kind of support can america expect from the afghan government? revelations of corruption on a massive scale. words like quagmire, money pit, total mess. we'll talk to one expert that says america needs to totally
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a lot happening tonight, joe johns is here with the latest in this "360" bulletin. >> a federal advisory panel has endorsed approving lap band obesity surgery for patients who are less than severely obese. the vote could pave the way for doubling the number of americans who qualify for weight loss surgery. aler agaigen proposed relaxing restrictions. in moex co-a 14-year-old boy has been detained on suspicion of working as a drug cartel hit man. that's right, hit man. a local paper reports that soldiers detained the teenager and two of his sisters at an airport in central mexico. mattel's new barbie video doll has triggered an fbi alert. the agency is warning police that pedphiles could use the doll, which has a digital video camera in its chest to make child pornography. so far the fbi says there are no reported incidents. and take a look at "us
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magazine's" first look at a double dose of reality star drama. in an upcoming episode of her new show, sarah palin takes reality star kate gosselin and her eight kids camping. i want to know, are they going to cross paths with a real grizzly bear? they have wolves up there, too. >> they sure do. but mama grizzly, she'll take you down. all right. we have our new corporate cousin, conan o'brien to thank for tonight's shot, specifically his love of jegings. do you know what jegings are, joe? >> unfortunately, yes. do you have any, randi? >> we're not going to touch that. imagine if jeans and leggings had a love child. that's what jegings are. conan recently declared his love for them and told tim gunn he would wear them while hosting a future show. it wasn't just crazy talk. coco made good on his promise. brace yourself here. conan upped the ante.
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oh, my. and chose acid-washed light blue jegings. a tough look for anyone to pull off. >> that's brutal. >> the audience, as you can hear, went wild. we've got to salute conan and his ability to embrace his inner fashion. but doing a monologue in those jegings was pretty tough. take a look. >> the obama administration, i'm going to try some jokes. recently set aside over 120 million acres of -- what the hell? [ applause ] >> oh, no. hideous. hideous. he looks like a giant elf. >> you're absolutely right. he looks like a character elf. you're absolutely right. we've got to get you some man jegings. >> probably not. in another life. >> i might surprise you. check your mail. all right, joe. thanks.
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serious stuff up next, a dramatic new perspective of the war in afghanistan. wikileaks cables telling a grim story of massive corruption at every level of the afghan government. what does that mean for the multi billion dollar war? we're keeping them honest. and later another death in the disney-designed community five miles south of the magic kingdom. s.w.a.t. teams, a suicide and the first murder in 14 years. what in the world is going on in the town they call celebration. nothing beats a sale! wrong move! you. you can save up to half off that sale when you name your own price on priceline. but this one's a deal...trust me. it's only pretending to be a deal. here, bid $79. got it. wow! you win this time good twin! there's no disguising the real deal.
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as we've mentioned, president obama today dropped in on u.s. troops in afghanistan, thanking them for their service. during the surprise visit to nearly 3900 troops at bagram airfield, he promised continued support there. the same day hundreds of u.s. diplomatic cables about afghanistan came to light via wikileaks telling a dramatic and frankly dire story of what's really happening in afghanistan. it is not, i repeat, not, a pretty picture. so keeping them honest, knowing
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what we know now after reading the cables, what exactly are we doing over there? we're roughly three to $400 billion into this war so far and the cables make clear there's pretty much no one we can trust in average. let me repeat that. communication between u.s. diplomats show we do not have a reliable partner in afghanistan. no one. the cables describe afghan president hamid karzai as paranoid and weak, and according to "the new york times," show pervasive corruption in his government. in one cable a senior afghan official told the u.s. embassy that of the $200 million collected in trucking fees, just 30 million actually got to where it was supposed to go. that's $170 million. poof. vanished. another revelation? last year, the then-vice president was caught by customs carrying $52 million in cash into the united arab emirates. and in august 2009 american embassy report complained that karzai pardoned five border police officers who were caught
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with more than 250 pounds of heroin. nato supreme commander said last week he sees gradual steady progress and says one of the keys is urn itting security over to the afghans themselves. but if you believe the cables that the united states doesn't trust anyone in the afghan government. so how is that transfer supposed to happen? peter bergen is learning from afghan and u.s. military sources that the much-talked about 2011 troop draw down will be at best a token effort, that our strength will remain pretty much intact. so bottom line, we're there, we're staying but things are clearly not working. cnn national security analyst peter bergen joins us live from kabul, afghanistan, and in boston, matthew hode. how much of a fallout is there from the revelations in these cables? because american frustration with corruption in the afghan government is nothing new, right?
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>> reporter: well, you know, multiple officials that i've spoken to over the last couple of days were bracing for these revelations, they're obviously very concerned about what these cables would contain and what would be publicized. you know, in the big picture, none of this is enormously surprising. we've heard before u.s. official cables describing karzai as not of sufficient strategic partner. the corruption of the afghan government is no secret, but of course seeing it laid out in such detail is, you know, quite disappointing to all concerned. >> and since 2001 the u.s. has thrown roughly $52 billion or so in aid at afghanistan. how much is the u.s. really to blame here? we are in many ways fueling the corruption with the funs we're providing, aren't we? >> absolutely. and that corruption pushes people to support the
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insurgency. if you understand that a lot of the insurgency, a lot of the fighting in afghanistan is really very localized, it's almost like a hatfield and mccoy type situation. not only are we backing up the hatfields against the mccoys, we're also making the hatfields rich and the mccoys don't see any value in all that money we're spending there. so all that money actually pushes people to support insurgency because it's the reason why the government is there, provides the government to be so corrupt, and it really creates a real rift between the haves and have nots in that society. >> peter, you've spent a lot of time there. how much progress are we actually seeing being made from what you can tell? because the taliban still seem to have a pretty firm foot hold there. are we making progress with the amount commensurate with the amount of the u.s. is spending? >> i think that's a very fair
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question. i think, you know, obviously the administration is in the middle of a big review, it's going to -- some sort of public statement will be made in the middle of this month according to u.s. officials i've spoken to. they will try and present some form of progress i think in kandahar in the south there's clearly been successful merging operations against the taliban. but is it worth it in terms of the money and effort? this money is, some of it is being diverted. u.s. officials i've spoken to on the ground talk about criminalized patronidge met works, corruption being the fatal flaw that can undo the afghan state. no one is trying to sugar coat the reality of all this. this is a major problem, as matthew and i have had our disagreements about afghanistan, but he's absolutely right. the corruption fuels the taliban, helps them with their narrative against the government t creates splinters in the
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society. it's an enormous problem. we have to get a handle on it. there is a plan, better vendor vetting for the contracts to go out, smaller contracts so there's less opportunity for skimming. the u.s. military is enormous list conscious of the fact that the money that we're putting into the system is part of the problem. and that is something that general petraeus has put out a two-page memo to his soldiers, we're going to redo the way we're doing contracting because this is a big problem. >> i have to ask you, although it's been widely reported that combat operations continue until 2014 the implications of the shift haven't been fully understood, and how so? >> reporter: well, i think, you know, it's been reported, but i don't think -- i think this is a seismic shift in american policy. in july 2011 there was going to be a drawdown but it's going to be very small. this 2014 sends a very important signal to the afghan company, to the regional players like pakistan, which is the united
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states is not heading for the exits. nato has suggested it will be here past the 2014 date. so the longer the commitment that we have here, the less likely the people are going to be skimming off the top, you know, getting the money they can, milking the afghan cow because they think we're leaving. so we're signaling more of a long-term commitment i think is good on multiple levels and it's certainly very disappointing for the taliban, who have been telling their guys, just wait out the clock until july 2011. these guys are leaving. now they have to explain, actually it's another four years. that's a long time with the amount of pressure being put on the taliban now. >> will this new deadline of 2014 make things better or worse? >> it will make things worse. the longer that we continue to prop up the karzai government as well as make them rich, means the less likely that they're going to negotiate with their opponents, negotiate the settlement to end 35 years of
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war. as far as the taliban, they'll keep fighting us hard this year, they'll keep fighting us as hard as they did this year the next year and next year. they're not going to wait out, they're going to surgeon the on own and kick us out before then. >> thank you both. and still ahead, a terrifying week for a town that for 14 years has bill it'd self-as the perfect place to live, where murder wasn't supposed to happen. all those illusions now shattered. and the weather outside is frightful in some states and so is a snowman in idaho that looks like a ku klux klan'sman. note to the man who built, it you're on the ridiculist. and the rubber industry in south america? at t. rowe price, we understand the connections of a complex global economy. it's just one reason os beat their10-year lipp. t. rowe price.invest . request a prospectus or summary prospectus with investment objectives, risks, fees, expenses,
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tonight in crime and punishment, fear and disbelief in a town that was developed and marketed literally as the perfect place to live. celebration, florida, was designed 14 years ago as a return to a similar and safer time. a planned community just five miles south of disney world built by the walt disney company itself. but this week the idyllic community was rocked by violence. its first murder. and in a separate incident just today a dramatic standoff between a s.w.a.t. team and a troubled man. according to a local paper, his
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estranged wife called police saying he was armed and threatening to kill himself. they tried everything, from tear gas to sending a robot inside the house to locate the man. tom foreman has new details. >> reporter: after a 14-hour standoff in which police say craig foushee fired several shots their way, they stormed his home and found he had killed himself. police say his facebook status went from married to single earlier this year was having troubled, confirmed by a neighbor who did not want to be seen on tv. >> he got laid off and stuff. so we knew they were having marital problems. >> there is a town in florida where the sun shines warm. >> reporter: in any community the armed standoff would be news, but here it is something more. coming just days after the first murder in the 14-year history of this picture-perfect pleasantville designed by disney to evoke the postwar 1940s. complete with piped in music,
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front porches, fake snow and a real sense of security. >> celebration, florida. you've got to see this place. >> everyone knows everyone. it's just a small town feel. and we're very, very upset. >> it seems like a really neat, clean, nice place. >> reporter: police are still looking into the death of matteo giovanditto. they aren't saying much, only that the 58-year-old retired teacher's car was found at an apartment complex less than a half hour away. and residents should not be afraid. >> we don't believe there's an individual out there that would be targeting other individuals in celebration. >> reporter: police say the two deaths are not connected but coming so quickly in a place so sculpted to seem, well, perfect, they've rattled some of the town's 9,000 residents. >> it is very surprising. i walk around here a lot, and i walk around at night. i've always felt very safe. so i'm surprised that something
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like this has happened. >> reporter: for now, celebration is pressing ahead with its usual holiday events while police press on in their unusual search for a killer. tom foreman, cnn. it will be 30 years next week, 30 years, since john lennon was murdered in front of his home here in new york. shot at point blank range in front of his wife, yoko ono. his killer, mark david chapman stalked lennon for months. cnn has been working on a remarkable documentary that airs this weekend that traces exactly what happened to the leadup of that horrible day. here's a quick preview. >> this is our first album. i feel like nothing happened before today. ♪ our life together is so
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precious together ♪ >> reporter: near the end of october 1980, starting over, the first single off john lennon's comeback album "double fantasy" was released in the united states. >> the album is about a man andwoman's relationship together. he sounds stronger and clearer than ever before in his life. >> reporter: photographer bob grewen recorded those final sessions. >> he seemed to have understand what it was like to grow up and become an adult and take responsibility for your life. >> reporter: thousands of miles from new york city, mark chapman read about the resurgence of the man he once loved and now had grown to hate. a sense of rage was growing inside of him. >> the little people were talking to him, very avidly. >> reporter: chapman told writer jim gaines that a war was raging in his mind between the good or big people as he called them and the evil little people. >> he was in the house, sitting naked in front of his stereo,
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listening to really loud beatles music and invoking satan to help him have the power to kill john lennon. >> reporter: chapman's plan involved a trip to new york. at the end of october he quit his job as a condominium security guard and signed out for the last time. on the line where he typically wrote chappy, this time he wrote something very different. >> he signed out as john lennon. >> reporter: condominium president don blum says no one noticed the change in signature. nor did they notice a change in chapman's mood. >> nobody really talked about mark. he was just there, cautious, did his job, did nothing out of the ordinary that would attract attention to him. >> reporter: on october 29th, chapman flew to new york city, armed with thousands of dollars and a five-shot .38 caliber.
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the dealer that sold it to him was named ono. >> it is a fascinating report "losing lennon, countdown to murder" airs this saturday and sunday at 8:00 and 11:00 p.m. eastern. up next, a snowman is spreading holiday hate around a town in idaho. see what makes it so controversial that it landed the man who made it on our ridiculous. and everyone hates getting junk mail. this man may be responsible for one out of every three pieces of spam clogging your inbox. details on the case ahead. it's the only complete multivitamin with ginkgo to support memory and concentration. plus it supports heart health. [ bat cracks ] that's a hit. one a day men's.
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of this snow creation. first joe johns is back with the news and business bulletin. >> a russian man the fbi says is responsible for one-third of the spam in your inbox pleaded not guilty in a milwaukee, wisconsin, courtroom today. the 23-year-old is charged under the 2003 can spam act. the fbi says he could send 10 billion spam e-mail messages a day, everything from fake rolex watches to counterfeit viagra. if convicted he could face up to three years in prison. a texas man got all bloody when he says his cell phone exploded while he was using it. aaron embree says he needed stitches after the incident with his new motorola droid ii phone. motorola says they're not aware of this ever happening, but safety is a top priority and they'll investigate thoroughly. all new vehicles would be required to have rear view backup cameras by 2014 under a proposal announced today by the
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national highway traffic safety administration. currently most luxury cars have the technology. the agency says the cameras could save lives by showing drivers who's in their blind spot. and cashing in on the national anthem, a first edition copy of the as far spangled banner sold at auction today for more than $500,000. you've got to wonder how much francis scott key got when he wrote it. >> not that much. >> that's for sure. >> all right, joe. thank you. time now for the ridiculist, our nightly journey into the valley of the ridiculous. tonight a new addition, mark from idaho. he built a ten-foot tall snowman that looks like a ku klux klanman in his yard. he thought it would be a good idea to give his snowman a news and a hood. okay snow is white, he couldn't help that, but who makes a
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pointy snowball? as you might imagine, the snowman is getting a chilly reception. was he really dreaming of a white separatist christmas? he says no way. let's see if you buy this. >> it's a snowman. i mean, there's nothing hateful about it that i could see. >> reporter: why do you think people are offended. >> hell if i know. they want to cause trouble. >> i have to say the confederate flag flying over his shoulder didn't do much to support his hell if i know defense. back in july he also had an aryan nations flag and an ss flag in his yard. the good news is, unlike the flags, this latest controversy will eventually just melt away. as the columnist earl wilson once says snow and adolescence are the only problems that disappear if you ignore them long enough. but the cold fact remains, mark from idaho with the offensive snowman in your yard, you just landed yourself a spot on the ridiculist.
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tonight with unemployment rising
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and jobless benefits expiring, what are your elected officials doing about it? one is saying that working with republicans is almost like negotiating with terrorists. another is calling a democratic bill poultry poop. yet another is pushing for online gaming. there sure are a lot of people not doing any work these days. we're keeping the ones in washington honest. also tonight, a different take on repealing don't ask, don't tell. some of the military service chiefs raising concerns, all of them saying they'll make the change if the senate acts. one big name republican skeptic changing his views on lifting the law. and later the town that disney built, white picket fences and now yellow crime scene tape. why there is no celebration in celebration, florida, tonight. we begin as always keeping them honest. tonight politicians on both sides of the aisle fighting over extending tax cuts for the wealthy. some say playing games over it, while americans pound the pavement looking for a paycheck. a whole lot of americans.
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new numbers, the jobless rate climbing tonight actually from 9.6% in october to 9.8% in november. the economy adding 39,000 jobs, down from 172,000 in october. in all, more than 15 million americans are unemployed, more than 6 million have been unemployed for more than six months. so what are the people you sent to washington doing about it? well, democrats and republicans appear to be bickering over tax cuts. whether to extend the bush tax cuts to everyone or everyone but the wealthy. this, while a bill to extend unemployment benefits is stalled. democratic senator tom harkin today, slamming republicans for obstructing the bill but also taking a shot at president obama for not doing more. >> have republicans lost all sense of what's right and what's wrong? they can fight for the -- for their tax breaks for the wealthy and stuff, fine. that's what they're fighting
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for. fine. i understand that. but to say we cannot extend unemployment benefits for people out of work because we haven't yet given the tax breaks to the wealthy, i -- that's a moral outrage. and i ask, where is our outrage at something like this. where's the president's outrage at this. the president ought to be out there saying, this is morally outrageous that we're going to deny unemployment benefits to people during this time of the year especially. >> president obama was in afghanistan talking to troops which presidents traditionally do around the holidays and sometimes when the domestic picture gets just too grim. but back to the point about jobless benefits being held hostage, according to the center for american progress, a liberal think tank, in the last 40 years congress has never failed to extend emergency benefits when the jobless rate was above 7.2%.
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four decades of bipartisan agreement. that's what voters say they want and what top democrats and republicans seem to commit themselves to this week at the white house, to working better together and reaching across the aisle. yet just a day later, every senate republican signed a letter vowing to block any and all legislation until the tax cut issue is settled. this provoked democratic outrage. >> but the senate republican caucus is willing to put all of that in jeopardy. hold hostage tax cuts needed by people working people, middle class families, small businesses. if they can't get a bonus tax cut for millionaires and billionaires. >> then, house democrats passed a tax cut extension for all income below a quarter million dollars and that provoked republican outrage. >> trying to catch my breath so i don't refer to this -- this maneuver going on today as
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chicken crap. all right? but this is nonsense. all right? >> republicans charging game playing, democrats charging obstructionism and never mind the barn yard waste, how do you like these chickens? >> it's almost like the question of do you negotiate with terrorists. >> democratic senator robert menendez accusing senate republicans of holding everything hostage to tax cuts. an aide later saying he was talking about the negotiations, not republicans personally. still, whatever you think of the outcome of those negotiations, it's hard to argue that anyone of any political stripe likes what's going on in washington. in poll after poll, americans rank congress right down there with, well, what congressman boehner said. oh, and if you thought lawmakers are only wasting their time bickering over taxes while americans lose their jobs and the s.t.a.r.t. treaty is waiting to be ratified and don't ask don't tell is on the table, get this. senator harry reid is also using the lame duck session to push
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legislation, supporting the online poker industry. yes. go figure. joining us from the left and right respectively roland martin and erick erickson. editor in chief of redstate.com. erick, you heard senator tom harkin a moment ago saying, look, how can republicans be focused on extending tax cuts for roughly the wealthiest 2% of the country when you've got unemployment benefits for millions of americans set to expire. doesn't that seem on the surface fundamentally unfair? >> not at all because they're going to pass. this is all political theater on the floor of the senate. the unemployment benefits will be extended. i've got no doubt. whether or not they should is an entirely separate question, but let's keep in mind the job creators in this country come from the 2% that the tax cuts are going to being expanded to and those are going to be expanded as well. democrats know it. they'll cave just as quickly as republicans will on unemployment benefits. >> roland, does erick have a
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valid point? it might not seem to be in the holiday spirit but is it just a fiscal reality that they have to be allowed to expire? >> first of all i won't call it a fiscal reality, it could very well not be extended, especially if you have one side or the other draw a line in the sand. here's the fundamental problem that i see with this. and that is we don't have to have the political theater. the letter republicans sent out wasn't necessary. when you look at the comments of menendez, not necessary. but when you have two people in terms of two parties actually, republicans and democrats, who actually say, yes, we can find compromise, then you can see two sides coming together. but as long as one side says we're not going to do anything until these two things are dealt with, then it makes no sense whatsoever. so that, to me, what is crazy about this -- and when you have nearly 4 million americans who are going to lose unemployment benefits, that is a serious, fundamental issue and the people who have jobs, they seem not to really care. >> would you like to respond? >> i think the issue is if the
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government's not going to stay open for business there's going to be no one to print the checks anyway so we've got to figure out some way to keep the government going. this idea of continuing to pass continuing resolutions all along, we should have automatic resolution so we don't have this fight tieing the other issues up. >> it's not the issue of the continuing resolution. again, what you have here is -- and look. when i hear the argument that can we give 95% of folks who are middle class, those making under $250,000 allowing the tax cuts to continue, it's not like that is somehow a foreign or crazy argument. but i do think it is nuts to say we're going to hold up everything unless that is dealt with first. that to me makes no sense. >> actually, i think it makes a tremendous amount of sense because if these aren't extended by december 15th we're going to see the bottom fall out of the market because so many stock options come up for renewal that day. you'll have investors, small businessmen, large businessmen, individual americans having to sell stock based on the uncertainty. so they have to get that resolved first, otherwise
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december 15th we'll see very bad things happen. >> what about the argument that if you don't extended tax breaks to small business owners who make more than $250,000 you're never going to see the job creation necessary to get the economy back on track. >> first of all, that is a nonsensical argument because it's not as if those are the only individuals who are out there also creating jobs. also when you look at the people out there who own small businesses, many of them don't have revenues in terms of their companies that even exceed $250,000. okay? also, the people who make more -- people who earn more than $250,000 on the top 2% in terms of earners in this country, so when you also have people who make less than that, you're dealing with people who are likely families, kids in college, those who are also spending. they're the ones who need those cuts more than anybody else. and again, that's 98% of the people who earn money in the country, under $250,000. 98%. >> yeah, but roland, the
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independent businesses, more than 60% of small business people, would be affected by this 2% cut. those are the people in that 2%. let's not pretend that it's some anomaly of people up there. there are a great deal of people up there who don't necessarily need the tax cut but 60% of small business people in the country according to the national federation of independent businesses are in there and would be impacted. we can't pick and choose. >> don't make the argument that all the people who are $250,000 and above category are small business owners. they are not. >> they're not, but 60% of small business owners are. so if we're going to punish them all and not give it to them we're also going to be affecting their ability to create jobs in this country and also the bigger issue is we've been pursuing these democratic strategies for more than a year and they haven't improved unemployment. >> actually, here's the point randi, when you talk about unemployment, i do recall in march of 2009, we -- every time ali velshi came on cnn he was doom and gloom when it came to the stock market.
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when it went down to 9,000. people were talking about their 401(k)s and their pensions. but because of the very financial solutions we're talking about, we are seeing the stock market stabilize, we've seen those very same people, firefighters, teachers and others with pensions and 401(k)s, they're actually stabilized there so this one segment of the economy has gotten better. so, erick, don't try to sit here and act as if nothing -- erick, erick, allow me to finish. allow me to finish. don't try to make the argument that nothing worked. in fact, it did work. we also have seen 1.2 million private sector jobs created. do we need more than that? absolutely. >> i think 9.8 unemployment speaks for itself. >> it does. but even with the unemployment numbers today. >> you still saw an increase of private sector jobs. >> 31,000 really isn't -- >> final word, then we have to go. >> i say an increase of 31,000 is better than a loss of 500,000. >> we've got to create 400,000 a quarter and we're not doing it.
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the bigger picture is all the firefighters and people benefitting from the stock market inching back up, they're going to be devastate on december 15th, because the market will crash when people try to take their capital gains at 15% instead of 20%. >> all right, guys. we'll leave it there. roland martin, erick erickson, thank you so much for joining us. join the live chat under way at ac360.com. top military brass and their concerns about lifting don't ask, don't tell. hear what they said, why they don't all agree. we'll tell you which skeptic is changing the law, changed his mind after reading the pentagon study on the issue and hear from one of the study's authors. later president obama's trip to afghanistan and the dire picture those wikileak state department cables paint of the corrupt afghan partners. what's around the corner is one of life's great questions. and while it can never be fully answered,
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to the successful execution of our current combat mission should repeal be implemented at this time. >> he concluded, though, that the marines could make it work and would make it work, but recommended repeal be delayed. so did air force chief norton schwartz who recommended delaying it until 2012. he like george casey taking exception to the conclusion of the pentagon study on gays in in the military, namely the risk to military effectiveness of repealing don't ask don't tell would be low. the chief of naval operations calling the risk to his men and women low with the exception of special forces. general casey called the risk moderate, but -- >> that said, if repeal is directed, the implementation principles in the report constitute a solid basis upon which to develop plans that will mitigate the risks that i just described. properly implemented, i do not envision that the repeal of don't ask don't tell would keep
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us from accomplishing our worldwide missions, including combat operations. >> committee chairman carl levin amplifying general casey's point about implementation specified in the language of the bill to repeal it now before the senate. >> if we repeal don't ask don't tell, as i believe we should, the legislation stipulates that repeal will not take effect unless and until there is a certification by the president, secretary of defense, and the chairman of the joint chiefs. that they have adapted the necessary implementation steps to assure that we maintain our standards of military readiness and effectiveness, unit cohesion and recruiting and retention. >> that seemed to be enough for massachusetts republican scott brown, a previous opponent of ending the policy. he released a statement saying,
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quote, i accept the findings of the report and support repeal based on the secretary's recommendations that repeal will be implemented only when the battle effectiveness of the forces is assured and proper preparations have been completed. this would seem had tout him at odds with john mccain, who has had many reasons for not repealing don't ask don't tell. first he wanted to hear from the military leadership, then said the president, defense secretary and joint chiefs chairman weren't good enough, he wanted to wait for this study. then he wanted to hear from the service heads who expressed more nuanced concerns than perhaps senator mccain might have expected. in any case, he has a new reason to put off consideration. it's not just the war as he has said many times before, it is also the economy. >> i will not agree to have this bill go forward and neither will i believe that 41 of my
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colleagues will, either, because our economy is in the tank. >> so will a vote go forward during the lame duck session? that's a political question. for more on the policy, i spoke earlier with pentagon general counsel jay johnson who co-authored this week's report on gays in the military. mr. johnson, thank you so much for being with us. let me ask you, both the marine corps commandant and air force chief of staff telling congress today there actually is some risk to troops in the field if the ban is repealed right now. now, that is half the service chiefs with big concerns about repeal. is the data in your report strong enough to counter that criticism? >> well, first of all, everyone should understand that the chiefs -- it would not be a surprise that, on this complex issue you have differing points of view. our analysis over a ten-month period involved conversations with tens and tens of thousands of service members.
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it was one of the largest surveys ever, 115,000 respondents, and it was the judgment and is the judgment of general hamm and myself that the overall risk to military effectiveness of repeal is low. now, a large part of that assessment encompassed the war fighting units, which general amos, general casey, general schwartz were they concerned about. what we saw is while the predictions for negative consequences in war fighting units were higher than the overall force, one has to remember that predictions are reflective of attitudes and predictions are very often a poor indicator of future actual behavior. >> let's get to senator john mccain's comments. he had a few problems with your report yesterday. i'm interested in hearing what you thought of his biggest critique. let's listen and we'll get your response. >> what i want to know and what it is is congress's duty to determine is not can our armed
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forces implement a repeal of this law, but whether the law should be repealed. unfortunately, that key issue was not the focus of this study. >> and he's been saying that for a few months now. is that fair criticism? why didn't the report examine that direct question, should this be repealed? >> well, it was not our task to determine whether the law should be repealed. that is a matter for the congress and the president. what we in effect looked at is whether we can accept repeal in the military right now, and we determined that we could. >> some people have said, and i know that you've heard this before, look, the president, the secretary of defense, the chairman of the joint chiefs, they all backed repeal heading into this. months before the results came in, the house actually even voted for repeal. so how do you convince people that politics didn't actually play a role in this, and this was an unbiased study? >> well, first of all, i guarantee you that in the course of talking to tens of thousands
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of service members, we heard a wide range of views. people were very, very candid, virtually everyone has an opinion in the military about don't ask, don't tell. and we heard across the board, there was no indication to us that the views of the president or the chairman or the secretary in any way infected or slanted the views we heard. and i was frankly surprised and pleased that we got such candor in the course of our review. >> i know in carrying out this study you went on dozens of trips to military bases. you held what you might call town halls, soliciting opinions from the troops. i wonder, heading into this, did the idea of those meetings make you nervous at all? >> well, as a matter of fact, it did. i thought that having such large group sessions with between 100 and 300 service members each was going to look something like what we saw last year with large town hall meetings involving the
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health care discussion. and i was pleasantly surprised at the professionalism and the civility of our discussions on what is in fact a very emotional topic. we heard frank discussion, but it was very professional, very civil, and we got -- we got candid views. but at the end of those meetings, everyone felt very good about the fact that they had an opportunity to talk about it and appreciated that we came to their base to discuss the issue with them. >> was there any one response that stood out for you in this study? anything really surprise you from one service member? >> i remember at norfolk naval base, a submariner who was a senior enlisted officer who had been in the navy for years and years and years, i'll never forget what he said. we were expecting a lot of concern about gays serving on
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subs, because of the close quarters there. and i remember this submariner said, sir, you can put gays on my submarine, you can put women on my submarine, but just don't take away my cigarettes. >> very memorable. all right. jay johnson, we appreciate your time. thank you very much. and just ahead, president obama promised again today to support the troops in afghanistan. the question is, what kind of support can america expect from the afghan government? revelations of corruption on a massive scale. words like quagmire, money pit, total mess. we'll talk to peter bergen and one expert that says america needs to totally rethink the way it does business in afghanistan. later why a toy you might buy a little girl for christmas could be used as a tool for pedophiles. what the fbi is saying about video barbie. a while back, toyota invented hybrid synergy drive.
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a lot happening tonight, joe johns is here with the latest in this "360" bulletin. joe? >> a federal advisory panel has endorsed approving lap band
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obesity surgery for patients who are less than severely obese. the vote could pave the way for doubling the number of americans who qualify for weight loss surgery. alergen proposed relaxing the restrictions. in mexico a 14-year-old boy has been detained on suspicion of working as a drug cartel hit man. that's right, hit man. a local paper reports that soldiers detained the teenager and two of his sisters at an airport in central mexico. mattel's new barbie video doll has triggered an fbi alert. the agency is warning police that pedophiles could use the doll, which has a digital video camera in its chest to make child pornography. so far the fbi says there are no reported incidents. and take a look at "us magazine's" first look at a double dose of reality star drama. in an upcoming episode of her
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new show, sarah palin takes reality star kate gosselin and her eight kids camping. i want to know, are they going to cross paths with a real grizzly bear? they have wolves up there, too. >> they sure do. but mama grizzly, she'll take you down. she'll handle that situation like nobody's business. all right. you're going to love this. we have our new corporate cousin, coco, conan o'brien to thank for tonight's shot, specifically his love of jeggings. do you know what jeggings are, joe? >> unfortunately, yes. do you have any, randi? >> we're not going to touch that. imagine if jeans and leggings had a love child. that's what jeggings are. conan recently declared his love for them and told tim gunn he would wear them while hosting a future show. it wasn't just crazy talk. coco made good on his promise. brace yourself here. conan upped the ante. oh, my. and chose acid-washed light blue jeggings. a tough look for anyone to pull off. >> that's brutal.
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>> the audience, as you can hear, went wild. we've got to salute conan and his ability to embrace his inner fashion. but doing a monologue in those man jeggings was pretty tough. take a look. >> the obama administration -- i'm going to try some jokes. recently set aside over 120 million acres of -- what the hell? [ applause ] >> oh, no. hideous. hideous. he looks like a giant elf. >> you're absolutely right. he looks like the character elf. you're absolutely right. we've got to get you some man jeggings. >> i don't think so. >> no? >> no, probably not. in another life. >> i might surprise you. check your mail. all right, joe. thanks. serious stuff up next, a dramatic new perspective of the war in afghanistan. wikileaks cables telling a grim story of massive corruption at every level of the afghan government.
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what does that mean for the multi billion dollar war? we're keeping them honest. and later another death in the disney-designed community five miles south of the magic kingdom. s.w.a.t. teams, a suicide and the first murder in 14 years. what in the world is going on in the town they call celebration. [ male announcer ] how can rice production in india affect wheat output in the u.s., the shipping industry in norway, and the rubber industry in south america? at t. rowe price, we understand the connections of a complex global economy. it's just one reason os beat their10-year lipp. t. rowe price.invest . request a prospectus or summary prospectus with investment objectives, risks, fees, expenses, and other information to read and consider carefully before investing.
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as we've mentioned, president obama today dropped in on u.s. troops in afghanistan, thanking them for their service. during the surprise visit to nearly 3900 troops at bagram airfield, he promised continued full support there. the same day hundreds of u.s. diplomatic cables about afghanistan came to light via wikileaks telling a dramatic and frankly dire story of what's really happening in afghanistan. it is not, i repeat, not, a pretty picture. so keeping them honest, knowing what we know now after reading the cables, what exactly are we doing over there? we're roughly three to $400 billion into this war so far and the cables make clear there's pretty much no one we can trust in afghanistan. let me repeat that. communication between u.s. diplomats show we do not have a reliable partner in afghanistan. no one. the cables describe afghan
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president hamid karzai as paranoid and weak, and according to "the new york times," show pervasive corruption in his government. in one cable a senior afghan official told the u.s. embassy that of the $200 million collected in trucking fees, just $30 million actually got to where it was supposed to go. that's $170 million. poof. vanished. another revelation? last year, the then-vice president was caught by customs carrying $52 million in cash into the united arab emirates. and in august 2009 american embassy report complained that karzai pardoned five border police officers who were caught with more than 250 pounds of heroin. nato supreme commander said last week he sees gradual steady progress and says one of the keys is the transition, turning security over to the afghans themselves. but if you believe the cables that the united states doesn't trust anyone in the afghan government. so how is that transfer supposed to happen? peter bergen is learning from
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afghan and u.s. military sources that the much-talked about 2011 troop draw down will be at best a token effort, that our strength will remain pretty much intact. so bottom line, we're there, we're staying but things are clearly not working. cnn national security analyst peter bergen joins us live from kabul, afghanistan, and in boston, matthew hoh. director of afghanistan study group. peter, how much of a fallout is there from the revelations in these wikileaks cables? because american frustration with corruption in the afghan government is nothing new, right? >> reporter: well, you know, multiple officials that i've spoken to over the last couple of days were bracing for these revelations, they're obviously very concerned about what these cables would contain and what would be publicized. you know, in the big picture, none of this is enormously surprising. we've heard before u.s. official cables describing karzai as not
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a sufficient, strategic partner. the corruption of the afghan government is no secret, but of course seeing it laid out in such detail is, you know, quite disappointing to all concerned. >> and since 2001 the u.s. has thrown roughly $52 billion or so in aid at afghanistan. how much is the u.s. really to blame here? we are in many ways fueling the corruption with the funds we're providing, aren't we? >> absolutely. and that corruption pushes people to support the insurgency. if you understand that a lot of the insurgency, a lot of the fighting in afghanistan is really very localized, it's almost like a hatfield and mccoy type situation. not only are we backing up the hatfields against the mccoys, we're also making the hatfields rich and the mccoys don't see any value in all that money
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we're spending there. so all that money actually pushes people to support insurgency because it's the reason why the government is there, provides the government to be so corrupt, and it really creates a real rift between the haves and have nots in that society. and this is on top of, you know, 30, 35 years of warfare there. >> peter, you've spent a lot of time there. how much progress are we actually seeing being made from what you can tell? because the taliban still seem to have a pretty firm foot hold there. are we making progress with the amount commensurate with the amount of the u.s. is spending? >> i think that's a very fair question. i think, you know, obviously the administration is in the middle of a big review, it's going to -- some sort of public statement will be made in the middle of this month according to u.s. officials i've spoken to. they will try and present some form of progress i think in kandahar in the south there's clearly been successful merging military operations against the taliban.
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but is it worth it in terms of the money and effort? this money is, some of it is being diverted. u.s. officials i've spoken to on the ground talk about criminalized patronage networks, corruption being the fatal flaw that can undo the afghan state. no one is trying to sugarcoat the reality of all this. this is a major problem, as matthew and i have had our disagreements about afghanistan, but he's absolutely right. the corruption fuels the taliban, helps them with their narrative against the government it creates splinters in the society. it's an enormous problem. we have to get a handle on it. there is a plan, better vendor vetting for the contracts to go out, smaller contracts so there's less opportunity for skimming. the u.s. military is enormously conscious of the fact that the money that we're putting into the system is part of the
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problem. and that is something that general petraeus has put out a two-page memo to his soldiers, we're going to redo the way we're doing contracting because this is a big problem. >> i have to ask you, although it's been widely reported that combat operations continue until 2014 the implications of the shift haven't been fully understood, and how so? >> reporter: well, i think, you know, it's been reported, but i don't think -- i think this is a seismic shift in american policy. in july 2011 there was going to be a drawdown but it's going to be very small. signal to the afghan government, to the regional players like pakistan, which is that the united states is not heading for the exits. nato has suggested it will be here past the 2014 date. so the longer the commitment that we have here, the less likely the people are going to be skimming off the top, you know, getting the money they can, milking the afghan cow because they think we're leaving. so we're signaling more of a long-term commitment i think is good on multiple levels and it's certainly very disappointing for
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the taliban, who have been telling their guys, just wait out the clock until july 2011. these guys are leaving. now they have to explain, actually it's another four years. that's a long time with the amount of pressure being put on the taliban now. >> will this new deadline of 2014 make things better or worse in afghanistan? >> it will make things worse. the longer that we continue to prop up the karzai government as well as make them rich, means the less likely that they're going to negotiate with their opponents, negotiate the settlement to end 35 years of war. as far as the taliban, they'll keep fighting us hard this year, they'll keep fighting us as hard as they did this year the next year and next year. they're not going to wait out, they're going to surge on their own and kick us out before then. >> thank you both. and still ahead, a terrifying week for a town that for 14 years has billed itself
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as the perfect place to live, where murder wasn't supposed to happen. all those illusions now shattered. and the weather outside is frightful in some states and so is a snowman in idaho that looks like a ku klux klansman. note to the man who built, it you're on the ridiculist. [ male announcer ] this is rachel, a busy mom. she starts at dawn and so does her back pain. that's two pills foa four hour drive. the drive is done. so it's a day of games and two more pills. the games are over, her pain is back, that's two more pills. and when she's finally home, but hang on, just two aleve can keep back pain away all day with fewer pills than tylenol. this is rachel, who chose aleve and two pills for a day free of pain. ♪ and get the all day pain relief of aleve in liquid gels. ♪
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tonight in crime and punishment, fear and disbelief in a town that was developed and marketed literally as the perfect place to live. celebration, florida, was designed 14 years ago as a return to a simpler and safer time. a planned community just five miles south of disney world built by the walt disney company itself. but this week the idyllic community was rocked by violence. its first murder. and in a separate incident just today a dramatic standoff between a s.w.a.t. team and a troubled man. according to a local paper, his estranged wife called police saying he was armed and threatening to kill himself. they tried everything, from tear gas to sending a robot inside the house to locate the man. tom foreman has new details. >> reporter: after a 14-hour standoff in which police say craig foushee fired several shots their way, they stormed his home and found he had killed himself. police say his facebook status
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went from married to single earlier this year was having and was having troubles, confirmed by a faber who did not want to be seen on tv. >> he got laid off and stuff. so we knew they were having marital problems. >> there is a town in florida where the sun shines warm. >> reporter: in any community the armed standoff would be news, but here it is something more. coming just days after the first murder in the 14-year history of this picture-perfect pleasantville designed by disney to evoke the postwar 1940s. complete with piped in music, front porches, fake snow and a real sense of security. >> celebration, florida. you've got to see this place. >> everyone knows everyone. it's just a small town feel. and we're very, very upset. >> it seems like a really neat, clean, nice place. >> reporter: police are still looking into the death of matteo giovanditto. his body was discovered into his home after the long thanks
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giving weekend. they aren't saying much, only that the 58-year-old retired teacher's car was found at an apartment complex less than a half hour away. and residents should not be afraid. >> we don't believe there's an individual out there that would be targeting other individuals in celebration. >> reporter: police say the two deaths are not connected but coming so quickly in a place so sculpted to seem, well, perfect, they've rattled some of the town's 9,000 residents. >> it is very surprising. i walk around here a lot, and i walk around at night. i've always felt very safe. so i'm surprised that something like this has happened. >> reporter: for now, celebration is pressing ahead with its usual holiday events while police press on in their unusual search for a killer. tom foreman, cnn. it will be 30 years next week, 30 years, since john lennon was murdered in front of his home here in new york. shot at point blank range in front of his wife, yoko ono. his killer, mark david chapman
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stalked lennon for months. cnn has been working on a remarkable documentary that airs this weekend that traces exactly what happened to the leadup of that horrible day. here's a quick preview. >> this is our first album. i feel like nothing happened before today. ♪ our life together is so precious together ♪ >> reporter: near the end of october 1980, starting over, the first single off john lennon's comeback album "double fantasy" was released in the united states. >> the album is about a man and woman's relationship together. he sounds stronger and clearer than ever before in his life. >> reporter: photographer bob gruin recorded those final
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r rrdi r rrding recording sessions. >> he seemed to have understand what it was like to grow up and become an adult and take responsibility for your life. >> reporter: thousands of miles from new york city, mark chapman read about the resurgence of the man he once loved and now had grown to hate. a sense of rage was growing inside of him. >> the little people were talking to him, very avidly. >> reporter: chapman told writer jim gaines that a war was raging in his mind between the good or big people as he called them and the evil little people. >> he was in the house, sitting naked in front of his stereo, listening to really loud beatles music and invoking satan to help him have the power to kill john lennon. >> reporter: chapman's plan involved a trip to new york. at the end of october he quit his job as a condominium security guard and signed out for the last time. on the line where he typically wrote chappy, this time he wrote something very different.
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>> he signed out as john lennon. >> reporter: condominium president don blum says no one noticed the change in signature. nor did they notice a change in chapman's mood. >> nobody really talked about mark. he was just there, cautious, did his job, did nothing out of the ordinary that would attract attention to him. >> reporter: on october 29th, chapman flew to new york city, armed with thousands of dollars and a five-shot .38 caliber. ironically, the dealer that sold it to him was named ono. >> it is a fascinating report "losing lennon, countdown to murder" airs this saturday and sunday at 8:00 and 11:00 p.m. eastern. up next, a snowman is spreading holiday hate around a town in idaho. see what makes it so controversial that it landed the man who made it on our ridiculous.
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time now for the ridiculist, our nightly journey into the valley of the ridiculous. tonight a new addition, his name is mark from idaho. he built a ten-foot-tall snowman that looks like a ku klux
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klansman in his yard. this guy thought it would be a good idea to give his snowman a news and a head that looks disturbingly like a white hood. snow is white he couldn't help that, but who makes a pointy snowball? as you might imagine, the snowman is getting a chilly reception in the neighborhood and when a reporter confronted mark, he was, well, downright frosty. but was he really dreaming of a white separatist christmas? he says no way. let's see if you buy this. >> it's a snowman. i mean, there's nothing hateful about it that i could see. >> reporter: why do you think people are offended. >> hell if i know. they want to cause trouble. >> i have to say the confederate flag flying over his shoulder didn't do much to support his hell if i know defense. kxly reports that back in july he also had an aryan nation f