hey, that's it for the program. thanks for watching. i'll see you tomorrow night. larry king starts right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >> larry: tonight, the judds, wyononna and naomi, here together. are the family feuds, the rocky relationship behind them forever? and they open up about their

brushes with death, their lives can be a reality show. has tv come knocking for wyononna or naomi. the judds and their last encore tour next on "larry king live." >> larry: couple of quick notes before we start. barbra streisand is our special guest tomorrow night. thursday night is the last show of "larry king live," except we had pretaped a major program on cancer. it will air on saturday night. please tell your friends about it. don't miss it. very important show dealing with cancer saturday night. naomi judd is a multi platinum selling recording artist and best selling author. wyononna judd is naomi's daughter, a best selling author. the judds are currently on stage together.

in the midst of the last encore tour. the last time wyononna and naomi were on "larry king live" together was in 2001. over the years they've done eight separate guest appearances on this show. here's a look back. watch. >> i was the reigning queen of everything in judddom. >> yes. rock and roll. >> you'll never be back. >> do you exercise, naomi? >> yes. i try. >> nobody's ever asked me that. you're the titan of talk. >> the titan of talk. >> i would never do botox because i couldn't do this to wyononna and ashley. >> larry: you and her and ashley ought to come on together. >> you guys behind the cameras, bring your oxygen masks, because we can suck it up real fast. i keep a close watch on this heart of mine i keep my eyes

open for the ties that bind >> you were doing harmony. you weren't singing the notes. >> that was good, larry. keep your day job. >> larry: the judds, in the middle of the last encore tour. if you believe that, i've got another bridge to sell you. they're at the nokia center tomorrow in los angeles. we're lucky to have them tonight. >> we're honored. >> larry: you two are on a roller coaster. forget about singing. do you ever feel like you're living on a roller coaster. >> i was noticing your ties and our hair color. every time we're on the show, our hair color is different. we are the reigning queens of red head. >> larry: that's not the question. >> i know, but this is my show now. what was the question, larry. >> larry: have you become a diva? >> if you turned with your mother, what would you do?

>> larry: what's it like when you have to be together all the time? >> we don't have to be together all the time. we're doing this tour. the last one is phoenix next sunday. >> larry: that's it? >> yes. >> then the judds go their separate ways. >> no we're going to do a reality show for oprah. >> we're going to do the "o" network. >> larry: you're going on oprah's network. >> we're doing a reality show. >> she has hers and i have mine. >> larry: what about ashley? >> i don't know. have we asked her. >> larry: when does that show start? >> in the spring. >> larry: what time of day are you going to be on? >> i don't know. i don't know either. we're filming it right now. >> larry: how do they follow you around? >> they're right outside the hallway. >> larry: you don't live in the same place, do you? >> we live on the same farm. >> ashley wanted a share of alley. we call it peaceful valley. >> that's the paradox.

>> ashley is actually at home. she's getting ready for christmas so when we go home, our last show is sunday night in phoenix, we've got i think this week's shows are all sold out, but when we go home, we'll have christmas with ashley. so we do -- >> larry: she's one terrific actress, by the way. >> i know. she just finished a movie with morgan freeman. >> i gave her great inspiration. i told her how to emote. >> larry: why are you sitting sideways? are you two on good terms? >> absolutely. can you two blow a gasket or do something illegal or crazy. >> larry: how are you going to sell a reality show if everything is good? >> it's real life. >> larry: you make up anger? >> like i did today. i walked offset. >> larry: what did you do? >> i know we're not supposed to talk about it.

it's the dynamics of, if it's not one thing, it's your mother. one day it's a hallmark card, the next day we talk about hormone replacement. >> the next day we do a soldout show. >> it's a daily, it's like a marriage. any kind of relationship, partnership where you work together, love together and live together. >> larry: are you the boss? >> no. >> larry: you're the mother. >> i'm the honorary mother. that's one of the biggest lessons i've learned in the last ten years because what happened right before we went on air. >> can i answer the question? >> i interrupted. >> see how good. it works. >> larry: so far. >> the camera men have bits. >> larry: i forgot what i asked. >> you asked if i was the boss. i said no. i'm the honorary mother. because i raised them through really hard times, i was overly protective.

>> larry: of both of them or her. >> both of them, very much so. the last ten years, i've realized what doesn't work, how i want things to be. that's one of the things that they're capturing with all the behind the scene cameras. they get us when we're getting out of bed. >> we had a challenge. >> larry: what was the challenge. >> being heard in families. our philosophy says we would rather be right than be loved. today we had to learn to list ton one another, even when we're in our own stuff and hear the other person even if we disagree. >> larry: what would you say wyononna, has been the biggest conflict between the judds? >> when she touches my hair or pinches my cheeks when we're performing for the president or says she is the little girl who hide her peas in her milk. she forgets that i'm 46. once a mother always a mother.

you're my mom right now, but in ten minutes we're going to be on stage, you're my partner. how do we separate that. >> i don't do that anymore, do i? >> not as much. >> today, the guy that's in charge of getting the reality show done, she's got a camera crew and i've got a camera crew. oprah wanted us to be ourselves and have the camera be a fly on the wall. today, they wanted us to go down memory lane and we went to our old house and by the time we got -- can i tell this? are you okay? >> it's national television, might as well. >> we get to the motel and i had a horrible life changing event happen where i had to take the kids and hide in the motel. and the camera guy drove right by the door, the door where 30 years ago --

>> larry: you were attacked. >> i had a tragic event. i was flooded, this emotional term. i went away. i was there and she was trying to talk about what it was like for her because she was there and i couldn't hear it. i was absolutely -- i was flooded. every emotion that i could have, shame, guilt, horror, fear, desperation. >> larry: why do you do that? why put yourself through that. >> that's a great question. >> larry: that's why i asked it. >> you want to know the truth. >> larry: yeah. >> besides the fact that i'm willing and open to be a work in progress and share that, i get literal mail from people who say a mother who says to me because of what you said on oprah, i tried it with my child today and we're closer. i get affirmations from the fans who say i tried what you said. for instance, when we did oprah, i said that doesn't work for me.

she said i'm going to use that. i'm a teacher and you know me pretty well, i believe in being a teacher to the next generation who are out there wondering who they are. if they're going to make it, how to stay grounded because i was 18 years old and famous. i didn't have a great teacher at the time. we have a life coach that is saying your mother will always be your mom but you can also tell her and use your voice and say no. i want to teach other people who will never get counselling, maybe never get a chance for a close relationship. >> larry: you go into a room where you had a terrible event, you are playing to the lowest common denominator. >> we're sharing our life experiences so people don't think we're this successful group that sing. >> i had no idea the camera was there. i had no idea. >> that's the problem we're starting to forget.

>> they had one of these magic cameras. >> you forget it's there. >> it was up here and i was so in my body, you know, i'm fascinated by neuroscience of the brain. >> let's move on. >> there's a part of the brain that's represent that's reptilian. that's where you go. after you cool down which takes about 20 minutes. >> we're teaching other families how to heal. >> larry: our guests are the judds, wyononna and naomi. they're on tour. the tour finishes next week in phoenix. tomorrow night here in los angeles at nokia. it's sold out. we'll be right back.l deals we're big deal guarantee. book a hotel with name your own price and if you can find a lower published price anywhere else we'll match it and pay you $25. book now and save up to 60% on hotels. only at priceline. etfs? exchange traded funds? don't just give me ten or twenty to choose from.

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>> larry: why does the singing do you think work so well? >> it gives us a chance to bond without having to use our own words. we don't have to have any psychological skills, any communication standards. >> it's the closest thing to heaven on earth when you plug into a power greater than yourself. we step out on that stage like the other night when you guys were filming, the audience was literally -- >> larry: we sent a crew to film.

>> they were leaf tating us with their support, love, their stuff. they're living their lives with our music in the back ground. >> i actually thought about this today, you have the bad stuff, but it's not what happens to you. it's what you do with it. i really believe that with all my heart or i wouldn't be here. today, i was able to see stuff in the past that i've overcome, i've had a breakthrough. all the people along the way that have been the kindest of strangers. >> the fans. >> i see them in the audience. that's why i get emotional or cry. i see their faces, i'm the most happy. >> we all agree that wyononna has an incredible voice. >> the best there is. >> larry: there's no voice like your voice. how do the emotions of your life affect your singing? >> a ton. i almost died twice this year. are you kidding me?

when i sing ave maria now, i think i have a depth that i didn't have before. >> larry: what do you mean you almost died? >> march, i had a blood clot pass through my heart and blood clots in my lungs while making a record. >> and in your legs. >> then i almost died in a car crash, 100 mile an hour impact. they loved my music and upgraded me to an suv and it saved me. >> larry: you were in 100 mile an hour car crash? >> the impact was 100 miles per hour. they life flighted. >> larry: you were driving? >> no. tamme was. if it hadn't been for her turning. it's a good wink thing, you go wow. i was on stage the next night. >> larry: amazing. we talked about them in concert. we sent a crew to film them in concert. when we come back, you're going to see just a bit of it. stay with us.

>> larry: there are still some seats left for the los angeles concert tomorrow night at the nokia theater. that will go after this appearance. to the delight of their many fans, the judds are on the road in what they're billing as the last encore tour. our cameras were at the sold-out arco arena in sacramento. watch. >> let's do something crazy tonight. my two favorite words larry king

sold out. >> big hair requires big combs. >> we're on larry king live right now. do you want to say anything to larry? >> i love larry. >> no, i love him more. >> i love larry. >> i love him more. >> you think?

>> we're getting ready to go to a sold-out show but nothing is more exciting to see larry king on tuesday night. >> that's what i'm talking about. >> larry: is this really the last encore tour really? >> i think so. >> larry: you're not going to tour again? >> i mean she asked me to do this. this was her idea. what was so neat was oprah personally asked us if we would have our own show on her network, so i mean, we barely get enough time to eat and sleep right now. >> larry: why did you want to team up again, wyononna? >> my last record was about paying homage to the people in my past. your career is coming to a close

and you wonder what matters to the most are the people that are there. the hits are great. i enjoy singing them every night. i know when you're not always going to be here. there used to be a time oh, my god if it's not one thing, it's your mother. i used to say oh, god what is she going to do to me today. now i say thank you for today and what do i get to do with her. it's time. a woman knows when it's time to have another baby. >> larry: are you enjoying it. >> it's take your mother to work. i am 99% of the time until she does something that makes me -- like the other night. i said we need to talk about that. >> what i said on stage. >> don't even say it. >> larry: why don't you say that. >> no i'm not telling you. >> i said something about our family being crazy. she said the egg doesn't far from the chicken. i said did you just say that?

i just said it. >> do you find that offensive. it's her reality. >> larry: i find it weird. >> that's why we're on this show. so we can tell people what we look like. >> larry: do you naturally harmonize well together. >> yes, it comes so natural. neither one of us have had any training. >> i don't even have to look at her. i can sing something and know she'll find her place. >> larry: does ashley sing. >> yes, to me she does. >> larry: she doesn't tour though. >> not yet. >> she comes to see us on the road. she was at the louisville show the other night. she can sing. i think she just has been in her world. i've been in mine. we haven't cross pollinated as we say. >> what's interesting is all of us have such passion, diversity. >> ashley's passion is fora,

she's a global ambassador, she goes to india and africa. she gets down in the slums and all that. she went to harvard and graduated last year. she's finishing a movie and wyononna -- >> i'm redoing my closet, by the way. raising teenagers. >> i'm proud of you too. >> i'm just saying. >> wyononna is -- >> harvard, teenagers. >> she is emotionally labile. she is like a seismograph. she is intuitive and she picks up on other people's vibes. >> larry: she can predict earthquakes. >> i'm talking about on an emotional scale, she can go from zero to 10. >> larry: maybe she will in the next segment. we'll be right back with the judds. don't go away.

expose all of his secrets. ♪ yes i'm free >> we have tapes, recorded tapes. we have hidden video cameras. ♪ keep us free >> that will get some viewers. ♪ rocking with the rhythm of the rain ♪ >> larry: let's take a call for the judds. nokia theater tomorrow night. sioux falls, south dakota. hello.

are you there? good-bye. let's try cord lane, idaho, hello. >> caller: hi, larry. congratulations i love you. i have a question for ms. naomi. i've hepatitis b and so does my husband. you've been our inspiration. i want to know how you stay so beautiful and how you're hanging in there. is there anything you can say for us that can help us go as far as you have. i really need to know, naomi. help us, please. >> bless your heart. >> larry: that's the disease? hepatitis c. it's going to kill four times more americans than aids will in the next decade. i'm sad to hear that. the good news is that i actually had a meeting with pretty much

america's expert last week, dr. bruce bacon in missouri. we have a new drug coming out. it's going through the fda right now. we think that it's going to have a really high cure rate. if you take intron which is new and advanced with riboverin right now, we're seeing a 72% cure rate. when i had it in 1990, there was nothing you could do for it. >> larry: how did you get it? >> i used to work in icu as an rn, needle sticks. there is hope, medically, speaking. i love the fact that your husband supports you. you have to have a strong support system. we're hard wired to be social and have support systems. people desperately -- >> larry: when you have it, what are the things that happen to you?

>> it's blood borne. you can't get it from kissing somebody. it has to be blood transfused. >> larry: what happens when you have it? >> you feel like you have the world's worst flu. urge everybody to get an antidepressant. you have to -- it's like someone said i use all the brains that i have and borrow from everybody. everything you can think of to do. simple things like lowering your stress which sounds easily said but there's so many things you can do. i had a book called my breakthrough guide. in there, i talk about my studies into neuroscience about the healing part. >> larry: you don't have it anymore. >> no. >> larry: what was she like to live with when shead it. >> i call it survivor's guilt because she had to quit the road. i watched her disintegrate. it was awful.

worst period of my life. four months later i was out on stage by my life. worst period of my life as an adult, yet my son was born and all these things happened to me that brought me life. it was a strange death in lifetime. >> larry: is it different for you when you're singing alone? >> it is different for me, because i don't have to look out of the corner of my eye and see that prisy dress. literally, i'm looking around and think where did she go. >> i'm standing there singing my butt off, trying to do all the words and she's just -- you know what she reminds me of, the perfect hostess. she's like miss america. the other night, i completely forget the words because some guy is going like this. >> larry: somebody is blowing

you kisses? >> you have no idea. women and men are blowing me kisses. they love me. i love them. it's 25 years. >> when i get on stage. i can't speak for you, but my guess is you're the same. when you get on stage, it's a confluence of so many different things. i'll allude to the brain and how the brain medicates our body. it's like a drugstore. like walgreens. when i get on stage, you have all the different lights. lights are very powerful. for instance, i get depressed in the winter time without light. you have all these gorgeous golden lights that are so heavenly. you feel like the top of your head is open and it's pouring in. >> larry: 20,000 people screaming. >> they're all over you. >> it's not so much they're screaming. my thing is to get energy from them. i want to read their faces and i see such kindness. >> larry: you get loved poured

out every night. >> you got generations. you got the 11-year-old to the 80-year-old grandpa. we see generations of new judd heads being born. >> when we sing together, there's a third entity. it's psycho acoustics. it changes our brain wave activity. i think it changes the audience too. >> we're better people when we sing. >> larry: you're weird, naomi. i say that as a compliment. you're in a different world. >> look who's talking. we're all weird. how long have you been on the air? >> larry: altogether, 53 years. >> we have an 11-year-old son who's playing the vie olin right now. >> larry: i'll be back with the judd heads after this. you a sha? you a sha? mine can.

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>> larry: i think we have made a connection now with sioux falls, south dakota with the judds. hello. >> caller: thank you, larry. wyononna and naomi, you have had the opportunity to tour the country. what would you say if one of the funnest audiences that you worked with and what impact did they have on your career in the earlier years? >> i'm going to see dolly. i saw her a couple of weeks ago. i'm fascinated by her.

there are a couple of people like bono and dolly. >> for me it's been the mavericks, johnny cash, the ones who would not conform. the ones who said i am who i am and i will not change because of the format. tony bennett, absolute hair on the back of my neck standing on end. stevie wonder. the stylists that you and i talk about. >> i was with lisle last night. >> tammy winet. >> johnny cash. >> you know who they are immediately. >> did you say george jones. >> larry: chambersburg, pennsylvania, hello. >> caller: hi, larry, hi ladies. i'm a big fan. my question is for wyononna. i love listening to you sing

mary did you know with kenny rogers. is there anyone current you would like to do a duet with? is there any acting in your future. >> i'm acting right now. >> she's being her highest self. she's on adult behavior right now. >> larry: anyone you want to work with. >> i've sung with the best. the one that's left is bono. >> larry: he doesn't sing your kind of music. >> yes he does. i'm a rocker. >> larry: you're not a country songer. >> i inducted queen into the hall of fame. i sing with patti labelle. my point is i like the ones that are unique. >> larry: what makes bono great. >> he's a stylist and his passion is unparalleled for humanity. >> i was at his house in ireland. >> it was not his place. >> anyway, he said johnny cash

was his all time greatest hero. >> he's a poet. i want people like aretha, people that are so raw and uncertain. >> i think bono because he's a social commentator as well. >> larry: what is it like when you hear aretha? >> it brings out something so primal like the mother's heartbeat and the laughter of a child. it is not of this world. >> larry: we wish her the best. she's not well now. >> she's had problems for 20 years. >> i think that's another reason why we're touring. we are losing our legends. i don't want to forget where i came from. i want to try other styles. i do not want to forget the judd music. >> everybody knows all the words every night.

>> larry: they sing with you? >> absolutely. one thing i want to make a point of about us touring together. one of the reasons we did this, you first said it is that our relationship has undergone such a major transformation. >> larry: from? >> we're on the other side. >> from being inactive to proactive. >> one of my biggest things is not to be reactive. i'm a very calm centered person naturally. >> larry: she sets you up. >> i've had to learn how to be an adult and be the honorary mother, if you will. >> learn how to be an adult. >> i want everybody to be adult behavior. >> good luck with that. >> you know as a parent, you get so emotionally invested. >> larry: what did you whisper? >> i'm trying to go to break. >> larry: how about this? she's so much more better at show business than you. she spotted that instantly.

you, on the other hand, whatever world you live in, you didn't spot that. >> i was in my ucc, my upper cerebral cortex. >> larry: i went to my upper cerebral cortex the other day and it wasn't there. we'll be back right after this.

>> larry: iowa for the judds. hello. >> caller: hi. >> larry: turn your television down. what's your question? >> caller: first of all, i would like to say thank you to you for being such a wonderful inspiration in the entertainment world. >> larry: what's your question, dear, thank you. >> caller: my question is for wyononna. my question is how she learned to forgive her mom for -- went into a process called sort of a

12 step healing, take a look at your crap, and i have a daughter who started doing the same thing to me that i did to her. it's called compassion. >> larry: you're a single mom. >> yeah. >> larry: tough, isn't it. >> yes. gracie said mom, i don't need you to defend yourself or explain. i need for you to apologize to me. i said that to her so many times. i think it's compassion and realizing she did the best she could. >> larry: we had this question posted to ourself. will the judds record another album together? >> absolutely. >> i'm going to wait until she is in a wheelchair and she can't walk or something. i don't know the answer to that. i make up stuff at this point. i mean, that's like saying to me, am i going to change my hair color. it is inevitable. >> larry: what is your hair color? >> deep auburn.

>> larry: what is your color? >> i don't know. what do you think? mahogany? >> i've got five in mine because you know i'm a diva. >> larry: you've become a diva. >> i hate that word. i have to affirm myself every day because when i go home, nobody listens. >> larry: we've got this question for the judds from our facebook page. which judd song best describes your relationship love can build a bridge between your heart and mine love can build a bridge don't you think it's time don't you think it's time >> probably that, because love is the greatest of these is love. our family, we wanted to be right more than love. >> i think don't be cruel. >> larry: to a heart that's true. >> don't be cruel period. >> to a heart that's true.

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music? >> wow. >> i would say loretta, tammy and dolly. that era, because it was the -- they were in the frontier. >> '70s and '80s. >> the ' 80s? >> i loved the diversity. i'd say tammy winette, they were she-roes. >> then you've got that real slick, overproduced, i think the '80s was the least -- >> country music will always be in a state -- i see the stuff on tv and i go, there will always be a time for music in war time and peace time. >> larry: do you like rap? >> i do because of my children. i appreciate the poetry of it. i don't necessarily agree with some of the things they're saying once i understand what they mean. >> larry: naomi, you're -- >> as long as i don't pay attention to the words, i love the music. >> larry: you don't like it?

>> no. rap is to music what an etch-a-sketch is to art. >> i understand the art form. rapping is beautiful black man standing on a street corner talking poetry about his life. that i love. i love words, i love poetry, i love music. i love the look on your face and i love all kinds of music. i'm not a metal head but i'll go watch it and go, wow, that's really different. >> larry: we only have a minute left. is there any man in your life? >> he's been there 30 years and -- >> larry: oh, he's still with you? >> yeah. he helps us as backup singer. don't you remember when you were in between marriages and you were hitting on me, you said when i said -- you said if i said my husband's name in bed it'd be okay because his name is larry? you don't remember that? >> larry: no, i don't and i can't see how i could turn to someone with -- are you involved?

>> yes, and it's going to come out in the show in march. >> larry: who is it? >> i ain't telling you. >> larry: do you know him? >> yes, very well. 25 years. >> larry: so he's been around a long time? is this a late-found love? >> i had a crush on him when he was 18. >> larry: is he in the business? >> yes. he's a rock star. >> larry: he's a rock star. >> no he's not. not a rock star. >> yes, he is. anyway, the point is he could take us to dinner, make someone come to town. >> larry: we're out of time. >> may i say something? we adore you and i don't know what we're going to do without you. >> you're our american treasure. >> larry: and you are dolls. and barbra streisand's our guest tomorrow night. we have a preview for he next. stay with us.

>> i said, i want you to know, mr. president, as a democrat, i'm with you. >> there are such rabid democrats who are republicans, they don't want to hear the truth with anybody. >> the president's made it clear, joe, i expect you to be on the ticket. >> we have to achieve our objectives, complete the mission. >> please let me finish. this is not "crossfire," is it, larry? >> republicans and democrats, the country came together. >> american people still believe in this country. they still believe we can surmount the problems we have. >> larry: barbra streisand's our guest tomorrow night. we sat down at her fabulous malibu home a couple days ago, talked about presidents clinton and obama. her husband, james brolin and the fockers. here's a preview. >> i asked you this once.

are you a singer who acts or an actor who sings? >> an actress who sings. yeah. i mean, i really didn't start to sing, but out of, you know, a need for a job to pay the rent. i wanted to be a classical actress, you know? shakespeare. i couldn't get a job so i entered a talent contest and got work as a singer. >> larry: did you always know you had that voice? >> a little bit when i was a young girl. i kind of -- yeah, i was the kid on the block with a good voice. >> larry: are you ever amazed at your own voice? you have an amazing voice. >> i'm critical. i'm self-critical. so -- >> larry: of the way you sing? >> well, i just never paid that much attention to it. and after i was doing this house, you know, i was singing and i had to record. i was singing with a kind of hos hoarse because i was talking

over saws and hammers for five, six years. >> i'll tell you a compliment a priest told me once, you want to hear the best record of silent night? streisand's record. >> wow. that is lovely. last night we were at a party and we were all singing "silent night." i said to david foster, i said -- because he played some beautiful chords. but he said, i remember chords peter mats had written for silent night in the middle of central park on a hot summer night. >> larry: everyone should hear that recording. >> it's on the happening of central park album, i think. >> larry: are you still very self-critical about your singing? you've told me in the past that you've always wondered, did i get?

>> i'm less perfectionistic about that. >> larry: why? >> i don't know. because it's human. in other words, as a person gets older, their vocal chords get older and so i can't expect the same sound, you know? all the time. so -- but it is fun. you know, the -- when you said before that i was up for a grammy this year for "love is the answer," do you know, i love numerology because when i got my last grammy, it was 24 years ago. i was born on the 24th. and i said that i had my son when i was 24, and my lucky number was 24, and the day that the grammies were on, 24 years ago, i really didn't think i would win against madonna, tina turner, cindy lauper and there was another person -- i didn't think i'd win, except for the fact that it was february 24th.