or don't say things to me it's a great day. look, look, the transition of speaker to speaker from president to president that our document is still at work. that it was read today on the house floor. i just think is beautiful. >> janine turner, we thank you for being with us and the founding fathers thank you. >> oh, yay. yay. >> and we'll listen for that thunder. >> and thank you for being with us. please join us tomorrow night. >> good night from new york. a special edition of ander soon cooper 360 starts right now. and welcome to a very special edition, a 9:00 edition of "360." buckle up. ted nugent is back. the author of "ted, white and blue." has a lot to say. ted, thanks for coming back. >> my pleasure. you deserve me. >> i deserve you. i'm not sure what i did to deserve you, but i'm glad you're here. we'll be joined by actress debbie mazer. you've seen her on hbo's

"entourage" and host of "extra virgin." ted, try to hold yourself. and strategist james carville. first up tonight, congress interrupted. a bipartisan recitation of the constitution was disrupt this had morning by so-called birthers who don't believe president obama is a natural born citizen, heckling from the gallery began when new jersey democrat frank pallone started to read article two, section one of the constitution which deals with presidential eligibility. take a look. >> no person except a natural born citizen or a citizen of the united states at the time of the adoption of this constitution shall be eligible to be in the office of president. >> except obama! except obama! >> the chair would remind all persons in the gallery that they are here as guests of the house and that any manifestation of approval or disapproval of the proceedings is a violation of the rules of the house. >> so, ted, what about this? this woman was shouting, except

obama, except obama, jesus, help us. tell me you are not a birther. >> well, what i am is an american defier. i'm defiant. america is about defying kings and emperors and the status quo. people came here to be free and exercise our self-evident truth, god given, individual rights. i like defiers. >> you like folks who shout out from the gallery? >> she broke the rules of conduct in that environment. i do not support that. but i do support we, the people, constantly asking questions and demanding evidence. no, i've never been a birther but my big question today after all this resistance to the demands for confirmation, why not just come out, show me the birth certificate. show me the proof. >> they've done it. >> if you demanded it of me, anderson, all right, already, now let's get on with our business. >> they did that years ago. they got the certificate of a live birth which, if you're from

hawaii, that's what you get. >> i don't think that's conclusive. >> but if you're in the passport office and someone from hawaii comes in with that and shows it to you, they give you a passport. that's conclusive. anyone from hawaii. >> you think that documentation is conclusive? >> the republican governor, then republican governor of hawaii, has said on the record the guy was born in hawaii. i have sent my health direct or to the records room and we've seen the long form original. >> i've been busy hunting all year so maybe i missed something, but my point would be i don't know that what you just told me already existed and has been offered and she doesn't, there's a whole bunch of people that don't, then why don't we just make it as confirmed and as official as possible in a public forum so that we do put it to rest once and for all? >> james, it's interesting. no amount of -- i've had a lot of folks who consider themselves birthers on. i had a guy, leo burman, on who

had a lot of facts but they were -- each of them was just incorrect. he was a lovely gentleman. he served his country. >> and i'm a lovely gentleman. >> you're a lovely gentleman. he just clung to this belief no matter what facts you presented to him. have you ever seen anything like this? >> yeah, sure. look, of course they had two newspaper articles the day after he was born that said that he was born. there were people in louisiana that don't believe anyone landed on the moon. it looks like arizona to me. i'm not going for this. they show pictures. they have people walking around. you have nasa and everything. they have people who don't believe the earth is round. they have people that believe that tax cuts pay for themselves, which is a sort of economic equivalent of birtherism. there's nothing you can do about that lady. there's an entire country and you just move on. they're oblivious to anything. and you're right. the problem is if you keep arguing with these people -- >> debbie, it's good to have you

on the program. what do you make of the birthers? you are not a birther, are you? >> i'm not a birther. i think like obama, you know, we've already seen the fact that he's got a birth certificate in 2008 when he ran. we've seen the birth certificate and, like, let's move on. he's the president of the united states and we've seen it and what are we now going to take away his children's citizenship as well? >> the people who believe this, who still cling to this say the birth certificate, the certificate of live birth which was presented, which has a raised seal, the stamp of the guy from hawaii, that that's not a real birth certificate. that's not good enough. >> is there a better piece of eviden evidence? again, i'm just a guitar player, so bear with me. but if there's a better piece of evidence that everybody would accept, let's see it. >> there is. there is. >> go ahead. >> we've seen his birth certificate. what more do we need to see? >> james? >> i said the day after he was born will were two announcements

of births in both honolulu newspapers. how much more conclusive can you get? i've never seen my birth certificate. get something from chat hoo che county. >> i want to play you a clip from john boehner, brian williams interviewing him, about the person yelling in the gallery and about had whole issue. let's watch. >> the state of hawaii has said that president obama was born there. that's good enough for me. >> would you be willing to say that message to the 12 members in your kcaucus who seem to either believe otherwise or are willing to cast doubt? >> brian, when you come to the congress of the united states, there are 435 of us. we're nothing more than a slice of america.

people come regardless of party labels, they come with all kinds of beliefs and ideas. it's the melting pot of america. it's not up to me to tell them what to think. >> james, should boehner -- >> oh, please. >> -- tell them or be more specific about it? >> that's his job. he's the speaker of the house. why do you think they call it a whip? because he goes and whips people in line. if they have some vote -- >> i like that. >> -- he's telling people -- yeah, that's pretty good. >> i'd rather a crowbar. >> right. a sledgehammer or something, whatever, a tire tool. >> a tire iron. >> that's it. a tire iron. but, at any rate, the job of the speaker is to keep his caucus in line. that's his job. i understand he was trying to -- i don't think boehner is a bad guy. he's trying to have it both ways. he's not the first politician to do that.

>> anderson, you know -- >> it's his job. >> you do all this research. you are our talking head here. you are the guy with all the information. why do you think -- are you claiming these people -- does anybody claims, james, that these people who are asking these questions, are they just looney or just defying the evidence? >> i would not say people are looney. >> they are looney. >> they have a belief and they're sticking with it. you can categorize why. that's not my job. my job is to look at the facts and i have yet to see any fact that indicates president obama is not born anywhere else and i've seen plenty of facts to indicate he is including the birth certificate accepted by the u.s. passport office. >> if boehner won't do it, ted nugent, everybody get over it. the president is an american. move on. >> all right. we're going to move on. >> exactly. i feel the same way. >> we're going to move on and talk about the reading of the constitution that took place today. we'll talk about that after a quick break. my name is rachel robinson.

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back with this special 9:00 edition of "360." with us ted nugent, actress debbie mazer, and cnn contributor james carville. revisiting the 14th amendment which states all persons born or naturalized in the united states and subject to the state we're in, they reside. we'll talk about that in a moment but today on the floor of the house for the first time ever the u.s. constitution being read out. did that make any sense at all? >> what doesn't make any accepts is it's the first time. i would like to think the conditions in america today that are less than ideal are a direct result of our disconnect from the constitution and, remember, we can't forget, and that's why i so am celebrating they read the constitution today. it should be a month ly activit and i think it should be certainly a part of every curriculum k-12 in america today. america is a unique and unprecedented experiment in self-government celebrating those self-evident truths and god given individual freedoms

that are outlined -- >> you don't see it as a political stunt? >> not a political stunt at all. the tea party is about getting back to the basis to what makes america the last best place in the world, and it's based on the guidelines of the constitution. everybody should know this document especially those that work for we, the people. this has been a great wake-up call. >> debbie? >> well, yeah, but they read an amended version, first of all, and decided what they were going to include and not include. i find that slightly offensive. i mean, yeah, i know you're going like that but they left out, you know, things -- they left out many things. they left out -- they celebrated the idea that prohibition was gone. they left out prohibition. they left out the abolitionist slavery, women equality. there are things that they were selective and treated it as if it was the holy grail and since it was done over 200 years ago, i think it would have been fair to read the original version to see how we have grown as a

country. >> i agree, debbie. >> and what we fought for. >> james, was this just a stunt in your opinion? >> well, i guess it it was a stunt but a harmless stunt and it was kind of funny that the speaker and the majority leader just left to have a press conference while they were reading it. it took a pretty krcritical vie of it early on wolf's show. as i think about it, you know, it's fine. it doesn't hurt anybody. it's kind of good to reflect on. the constitution doesn't have anything to do with self-evident truths, though. that's not in the constitution. >> it doesn't have anything to do with self-evident truths? >> that's the declaration of independence. that's a different document. oot constitution is the guideline for this experiment in self-government which limits the government's control which is why everybody came to america to get out of government control. >> it is very doubtful. one of the things that the history of the constitution has filed an article of confederation it came into being

to establish a strong federal government. that's the history of it. we had a weak federal government in this country and it didn't work. we had to get rid of it. >> a lot of folks, a lot of republicans, would like to change or amend or in their words clarify the 14th amendment. state lawmakers from pennsylvania, oklahoma, south carolina and georgia and arizona unveiled legislative proposals to change that amendment by denying birthright citizenship to kids of illegal immigrants. the news conference was interrupted several times by protesters. take a look. >> excuse me, with all due respect, sir -- >> excuse me. excuse me. excuse me. >> -- slavery -- >> we are having a press conference. excuse me. >> i think it shows the ignorance of this bill. >> excuse me. >> and i just want to give you a copy of our flier and other people recognize this bill is ignorant and wrong. it's inhumane, racist bill and it will be stopped. it will be stopped.

i will tell you that much. >> senators, the inscription of reflects openness and a welcoming nature that has made our country great. >> sit down. sit down. sit down. >> you do not get physical with me. >> sit down. >> young man -- if you will sit down -- >> you are so disrespectful. >> i love this stuff. i like defiance. i like people that question stuff. and especially the 14th amendment. it does go back to slavery. it's about making sure that the children of slaves are official american citizens and i don't know what that has to do with people who are illegally invading this country. >> debbie? what about it? >> we're built on a country that is a melting pot for immigrants. i'm sure that your family came from some place and somebody came from some place, possibly illegally. if a woman drags herself through mountains and rivers and crosses the border and finally makes it, i think she should be rewarded citizenship for her child.

end of story. >> is it even possible to change the amendment? there are a lot who say it's unconstitutional to do this even at the state level. >> at state level you can't do it. you can amend the constitution out of the founding fathers, presumed in their wisdom i think two-thirpdz of the congress and three-quarters of the state legislature. >> they're looking at state by state. they're looking to do it at the state level. >> you can't do it. the constitution supersedes state law. i mean, ted would agree with that. a state can't outlaw guns if the second amendment trumps that. that couldn't even -- my accepts says even a bad lawyer like me would say that would be kind of difficult to do, but you can -- it's possible. it's been done, what 24 times or whatever to amend the constitution. it's not easy. the founding fathers didn't want to make it easy. the 14th was an amendment to the constitution. >> do you see this as a big issue, james, the next two

years? >> i see it as one of these things people are going to continue to talk about. if unemployment goes down to 4.5%, it will be less of a big issue. >> it's part and parcel to the immigration issue right now. i have to tell you from the streets that i walk, we just don't believe that a person who got here illegally by any means should be an official citizen of the united states of america until they go through the procedure. >> you have to amend the constitution to fix that because the constitution is very clear. >> understood. i say we work on it. >> it doesn't leave any room for doubt. >> they are saying and george will wrote an article about that saying that you don't need to change the constitution, that it's a misrepresentation of some of the wording of the 14th amendment and that the word willing -- >> the 14 th amendment didn't sy the children of slaves shall be citizens. anyone born in the united states shall be a citizen thereof.

i don't have it in front of me, but it strikes me having read it today it doesn't leave a lot of wiggle room. >> i say george will knows what he's talking about. >> okay. >> his idea is it's people who are born here and not subject to any foreign power essentially and that the wording of it is referencing, though it doesn't say that, it would imply that kids of illegal immigrants are actually under the jurisdiction of a foreign power and, therefore, it's not just that they were born here. >> look, he's a smart guy and somebody could take it to the supreme court and, you know, who knows what these guys will find. my own amateur reading of it is it seems to me to be pretty clear people watching our show can go and call it up on their google or whatever, ipad or whatever they've got. >> do you have an ipad, ted? >> i do but i don't know how to

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welcome back to a special 9:00 edition of "360." rock star and red stater ted nugent, author of "ted, white and blue," debbie mazar, and strategist james carville. debbie, what do you make about bp and there's now a report out about the entire bp spill basically putting blame across the board.

do you feel the real story, do we yet know the full extent of the damage of that thing? >> well, you know, as the average viewer who sits at home and wonders what's going on, when it was happening, i thought, why are we letting corporations control our environment? i wondered why our government did not step in sooner. why can't we with our scientific research and all of our access to things, why can't we help plug this? why are we not -- why don't we know anything at this point of what happened to the people, to the businesses, what happened to the wildlife? when those birds fell from the sky and the fish, hmm, is that from some oil thing? oil would travel and make its way to europe. does this have to do with the oil? what has happened to the families and the communities and who is cleaning up the mess. the ball just sort of dropped. i'm really happy that it's coming back up. james, you live in the thick of it. >> james, to her point, the

report called the accident a system wide problem, a failure of everyone involved from bp to halliburton to the federal government. now the cause is identified, do you think the government is doing enough to ensure this doesn't happen again? what did you make of this report? >> first of all, i think that commissioner riley and senator graham, are conscientious patriotic people and i'm anxious to see when the full report comes out. you can't have a massive messup like this without a lot of people being complicit in it. certainly the government was complicit. all companies bought off all the people out there with drugs on rigs according to the report and inspector general. bp certainly here but i expect halliburton, transocean, a lot of people were getting in making a lot of money out there operating equipment in a manner

that they had no business doing it. and i thank god that's a very aggressive lawyers down here and i expect they will hold their feet to the fire. >> bp seemed quick to point out in the statement today they weren't the only ones at fault for the catastrophe. >> they might not have been the only ones but they got a good bit of it. they can slug it out. remember when all those guys went to washington and started pointing at each other? that's what you have here today but i think this report is going to be a good start. i don't think the birds in arkansas have to do with the oil spill but there are tar balls on the beaches all over the place and we'll be dealing with this for a long time. we don't though the long-term health consequences of it. we need at the points of millions of dollars on research, maybe hundreds of millions. this is a long way from over. >> it's still impacting folks all around the region. i talked to someone from grand

isle who is saying business is yet to bounce back. we're waiting hoping the tourists will come. >> it's a heartbreaker. if i could bring a utilitarian perspective here. >> as i knew you would. >> i have a truck that's 600 yards to the gallon. glutinous americans who keep sucking up the raw sewage. >> what kind do you drive? >> you name it, i drive it. i drive the big three and then some. i'm a hunter, a trapper, a fisherman, so i have a direct connection to the quality of the air, soil and water that feeds my family. >> you probably spend more time in the environment. >> i spend more time in the swamp than the muskrats do. but i also have to admit, as debbie has to admit the corporations are providing our demand. we are demanding this. and the safety record of bp and drilling the gulf has been just wonderful. i wish that the roller coasters in america had a safety record

as good as the oil drillers out there. >> ted, i wouldn't -- i wouldn't tout bp's safety record. >> well, but i think the percentage is minute. >> if you spend a lot of time -- by the way, i drove a chevy volt out in phoenix, the electric thing, you should try one of those. they have a lot of pep, man. you can scoot in that thing. >> i don't think you are going to convince ted to get an electric vehicle. >> i am going to make a charm bracelet out of eight of them. >> ultimately americans are consuming massive amounts of energy and they're providing the energy that we're demanding. yes, do we have to upgrade the procedure so it's more environmentally responsible? of course we do, and that should never end. but currently i have to tell you to shut down the oil drilling in the gulf, to shut down the energy production is counter to the claim that we want to reduce our dependency on foreign oil. i think we have to go wild and get more energy from our own

grounds. >> debbie? >> absolutely. we have to have sustainable energy. look at brazil. they are completely independent with sugar cane. i don't understand why with the disaster like this bp is then allowed to go drill, again, in another area close to us. to me it seems insane we're not stopping this and figuring out how we can avoid another disaster like this. the risk is just too great. >> although, james, for folks down there, as you well know and you can tell us better than anyone, offshore oil drilling is a huge part of the economy. >> it's a huge part of the economy, whatever it is, we're not getting hydro carbons anytime soon and this is an integral part of the energy supply but you can't do it with oil companies buying off regulators. you can't do it with oil companies acting irresponsible and not wanting to be held responsible. that's why this thing has to proceed through the courts here and justice has to be done. when you do that and you get

people's attention, they're less likely to do it again. we need really good regulation down here and we need very aggressive plaintiffs law. the combination of those two things, i bet we get safe drilli drilling. >> i wanted to end on a lighter note. two lotto winners won the jackpot. if you won that, what would you do with the money? >> i'd start an oil company and start drilling the gulf. >> debbie, if you won, what would you do? >> well, i would probably give like half to charity and then with the other half have a great life. the charities i would give back to the homeless, to education, to health care. i would just try to help fix the country. that's a loft money. >> james, what would you do? >> one guy won $10 million and said i'm going to take $9 million and spend on women and booze and the other million just throw it away. probably my favorite lottery winner. >> ted, debbie, james, i appreciate you doing this. thanks very much. i appreciate it.

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to dance. "she started her career as a choreographer and transitioned into becoming a sippinger herself. she's had a lot of ups and downs in the spotlight but found new fame as a judge on "american idol," one of the most popular tv shows of the decade. i had a chance to sit down with paula abdul and talk about her career as well as the rumors about drinking and drug use. do you worry doing a new show that it was going to be compared to "american idol"? >> i didn't walk into this new show even thinking would there be comparisons as to "american idol." >> it's going to go at some point head-to-head. >> yes, midway through the planning process we found that out. and, you know, i always say this. i feel blessed to be part of a genre of shows that actually give audiences an opportunity to understand talent in the art form and what it takes to be tenacious and strive to do your

best and, also, you know, when i was trying to start out, there were no shows other than "star search" that allowed for a talent competition. >> did you used to watch that show? >> actually, yes. i used to watch "star search" but even when i was a little girl i used to watch with my mom "the gong show." >> right. >> and when i was 7 years old i remember practicing. ♪ you're a grand old flag and picking up my flute and playing. >> you played the flute? >> i did. and i used to cry, if i don't get on "the gong show" i'll never make it. and it's just so funny. it's like smash cut to all these years later now the show "american idol" which when we first started ten years ago we were accused of being, you know, we were ruining the recording industry. >> that's what people said there were a lot of critics about it.

>> and they were calling us velveeta cheese and i said, have i ever told you guys i really love velveeta cheese? i mean, to me, that became the magic of the show and i am proud to be a part of this. >> when you left "american idol" i kind of stopped watching. >> you did? >> i really did. i would watch and i have nothing against -- i thought ellen did an amazing job and both did a good job but i missed the interaction between you and simon. i missed the whole thing. i missed you crying in weird moments and, like, saying things i didn't really understand but were great. >> you know what, anderson, it's funny -- >> i say that in a nice way. >> this british guy comes along and says, you'll be the equivalent of musical wallpaper. you are the equivalent of musical wallpaper and yet i'm the one that no one understands. go figure. >> i want to show you a moment of "american idol" of you that i love. watch. >> celebrate what this competition is all about and,

you know, i spent the day yesterday watching the tapes. when everyone first started. and you've moved me from the beginning, but you are just handsome, evolved performer that -- you are an american idol. you are. see, those are the moments i liked from "american idol." i didn't get what you were trying to say but i liked the fact you were kind of in your element. >> that's me over some talent that is just i'm in awe. i'm in awe over eliott. here he is a guy that -- he i could go on and on about some of these contestants. >> do you miss doing the show? >> it's not that i miss doing the show. i feel like -- i feel very blessed to have been part of something that was history

making. >> was it scary to leave that? i mean, did you feel i may not work again at this level? did you fear that kind of thing? >> you know, this industry can make you believe that you may not ever work again. >> it does that very well to a lot of people. >> a lot of people. but, luckily for me, i've always been the underdog and i've had a constant believing in myself when others haven't. >> and that's the key, you think? >> well, that's been the key to my success. >> if people make fun of you, does it hurt? >> the only thing that can hurt is if i allow it to hurt me. it's up to me. i can't be concerned to always chase what the press is going to say about me. i can only be me. i say quirky things. i'm a quirky girl. a lot of that allows for me to be misunderstood. >> as you know, there were

rumors during "idol" if you said something, you know, lost your train of thought, people said you were -- you had been on drugs or you were drinking. i just read a headline of an interview you said you've never been drunk in your life. >> it's probably kind of an uninteresting thing, a fact. >> how is that possible to never have been drunk in your life? >> i've never had an interest in it. and, you though, for me, this sounds square and everything like that. i don't judge anybody. as far as i'm concerned, creative people have -- i've been around creative people and working professionally since i was 17. trust me, i've been around a lot. i've seen a lot. for me, i took my work very seriously. >> i want to show something from "saturday night live" because we talked about people poking fun at you and stuff and i want to see what you think about this. >> you have a great style. i just wasn't feeling it.

i'm sorry, i say no to hollywood. >> was that -- when you see that, did that -- to be mocked by "saturday night live" is an honor. >> it's an honor. by the way, to be mocked for season after season after season, you know, sometimes we all -- randy, simon, ryan and i would laugh, sometimes they are better than we are. so it is an hohn aror. you have to have levity and part of my quirkiness is i choose to not take myself so seriously because i have to have fun. >> we'll have more of my interview with paula abdul after the break including her embarrassing appearance in the movie "bruno." how did she ever end up in that? [ male announcer ] breathe, socket. just breathe. we know it's intimidating. instant torque. top speed of 100 miles an hour. that's one serious machine. but you can do this. any socket can. the volt only needs about a buck fifty worth of charge a day.

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paula abdul has been very busy, making an embarrassing cameo appearance in "bruno." i asked how that train wreck started. we started by talking about her new tv show. "live to dance," how is it different than other dance shows out there? >> after i left "idol" i wanted to take some time to kind of reflect on where does my passion lie again, what moves me. and i always felt like if i have my bucket list at the top of my bucket list would have to be a dance show. i mean, it would be just not fair if i didn't get a chance to produce a dance show. >> what else is on that bucket list, by the way? >> lots of things. >> besides being on cnn. >> well, anderson, truth be told, i've wanted to be interviewed by you, truthfully. and i told you off camera here that i made the biggest fool out

of myself thinking you were on my flight and actually going up to what i perceived to be you and just poured out how much i'm a big fan only to hear a guy go, i bet you think i'm anderson. >> some pale, skinny, dw gray-haired person. a clip from "live to dance." >> i want different. i want new. i want amazing people to live in their unique ability. who is bold enough to go out there and show me something i've never seen before? come on. it's pretty stunning that our auditions we put such production value so that these talented acts could come and actually feel like they were really performing and in front of a live audience. >> and there's two -- you don't call yourselves judges, you are experts, is that right? >> yes. the reason being is that i never considered myself a judge. i became a judge and one of the

most famous judges that was my title but i've always been a mentor and a coach. >> is there a mean expert on the panel? do you think it's a different vibe? >> it's a whole different vibe. it's not about being mean or being kind or nice. it's about lending expertise. >> i also want to show one of your videos. i think it's from the huge hit "opposites attract." ♪ three steps forward take two steps back ♪ ♪ we come together because opposites attract ♪ >> do you keep in touch with mc sky cat? >> he's on permanent memory dial, and we kind of have twitter. we tweet back and forth. he's coming back. >> he's coming back. all right. maybe 2011. i would be remiss if i didn't ask you about appearing in "bruno." >> it's so funny. we were just talking about that.

>> here is a clip. >> great. >> mexican chair people. demi moore has them in her house. yeah, if you sit here. if you sit on him. so tell me about your humanitarian -- how important is it for you to help other people? >> helping other people is so vital to my life, the water that i drink, it is extremely, extremely important for me. >> how did you wind up in that situation without knowing -- >> first of all. i'm a huge sasha fan. some of the most brilliant -- >> it's painful to watch. the show i used to watch a lot, it's painful to watch sometimes because you see these people in these situations and you're just -- for me, my heart goes out to them n. that situation i

was like, oh, my god, who got you -- who put you in this situation? >> it was one of those situations, anderson, you'll appreciate this. i hear that i'm going to be honored as international entertainer of the year. german television show. i'm like, i want to go pick up that award. sounds really good right now. it's very appealing. so i'm told that it's going to be at this home and it's a quirky of a -- like a host, you know, don't -- don't be -- >> they said just roll with it. >> just roll with it, and i was with my then-publicist, as i clarify then-publicist, no longer, like eight days before this movie opened up. my new publicist and management calls, have you ever worked with sasha baron cohen? no, but i'm a big fan. why? well, "people" magazine and "usa today" they wanted to know how

did it feel being pranked by sasha baron cohen. i said, i've never met him. they said, we didn't think so. that night i fall asleep. i woke up like a springboard at 2:30 in the morning in a pool of sweat and i ran down to the computer and i punched in bruno and there's that character and i'm freaking out and that's how i found out a week before the movie came out. >> it would be like miles away from your home and we would hear the scream like late a home when he realize bruno -- >> absolutely. >> you're a great person. >> thanks. appreciate it. that's paula abdul. up next, piers morgan. tonight he starts asking me questions. within a short period of time, he was able to ask very personal and poignant questions. watch the interview coming up and i think you'll see why all of us here at cnn are incredibly excited for his new program. [ male announcer ] this is steven, a busy man.

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all week long we've been getting to know piers morgan. his new program takes over this time slot here on cnn beginning monday january 17th, and i'm really excited about it. oprah is going to be his first guest, but tonight i'm his guest. i want you to watch this brief int are view he did with me, and watch how quickly he's able to get some surprisingly personal and poignant stories from me. to be honest, i didn't expect his questions at all and i'm really impressed with his interviewing style. >> so, anderson, obviously you're the poster boy for cnn. >> oh, is that right? oh. >> so you told me. but -- >> it does say that on my business cards. >> i was curious, though, because before i was passing my own assault on the 9:00 p.m. slot, they said you've got to watch one of anderson's show. i got ready to watch this guy i knew from katrina, haiti, probably one of the most respected news journalists in the world. i was horrified because you appeared to be wearing a giant

rabbit outfit and trying to give bananas to guerillas. >> you can understand why this was confusing. it was a bit of a shock and you probably had second thoughts about coming to cnn. >> i had to ring the suits, as larry called them. >> you thought it was a public access show in the united states sort of after midnight. >> to me your greatest moment was the katrina period when you came of your own there. is that your greatest moment as a journalist? not great as in lauding yourself, but the moment you felt was most significant to your career. >> i'd say it's probably the moment when i understood the job better than i ever had before. i mean, i'd spent a lot of time overseas, i'd been in the genocide in rwanda and places where terrible things were happening. but to be in a position where

you're ahead of relief workers, ahead of the response, talk to politicians in charge of this stuff saying things which are not true, that was the first time i felt, you know what? i'm in exactly the right place at exactly the right time. probably the only other time i felt that was in haiti. this is downtown port-au-prince, just a few blocks from the presidential palace. being sort of the first team on the ground and really seeing things and seeing things not going right and call them out and try to get them to change. >> how much pressure do you feel to keep it honest yourself? >> how do you mean? >> you must be almost saint-like now, because you can't be dishonest at all. all of us lie at least ten times a day. you can't. you can't even get into a restaurant saying anything wrong. have you to be completely honest. >> i've just stopped talking to people altogether so i don't have to say anything one way or another. but i do feel a responsibility to be tough equally on republicans, democrats, it's easy to have a show which say liberal show or conservative show and to shove your opinion

down somebody's throat. i'm not somebody of strong political opinions. i really do believe there's a role for not taking sides but being the only side being siding with the viewer and siding with facts. and that's what i'm, you know, very dog mattic about. >> what's been the greatest moment of your life? the one you'd relive again before you die? >> wow. >> the single moment. >> hmm. wow. let me think about that. honestly, professionally, i'd say the greatest moment was, and this is going to sound weird, but was being in haiti that first week after the earthquake. because i think there's nothing worse than seeing people who have lived good and decent lives dying, be crushed, and their bodies put away into dump trucks and dumped, literally dumped on

to the side of a road and no one knows their name, no one knows their past, no one knows what will ever happen to them. and to be in a position where you could try to help people and actually call out those who are doing that sort of stuff and try to make a difference, to me, professionally, that was the moment when i felt, i'm -- this is exactly what i want to be doing with my life. and personally the greatest moment -- you know, i think for -- i think for, i lost my dad when i was 10, and i think for any kid who loses a parent at an early age, you know, i think it is transformative, it changes. i think the person i was meant to be -- the person i am now is very different than the person i was meant to be before my dad died. so if i could relive any moment it would probably be, you know, some -- some of the few memories i have of him when we were all together as a family and just, you know, hanging outch