don't know. i don't know how i survived in there as long as i did. it's just like, i mean, you're cool. but the rest of those people, i just can't hang with them. i don't know. it's not -- >> are they all pretty fake? >> it's just pretend, it's not real. >> that's frankly a rather astounding interview for the hour tomorrow night. here's anderson cooper with "ac 360." >> piers, thank you very much. good evening. we begin with breaking news. a "360" exclusive. we learned for the first time that u.s. intelligence has gained access to the three wives of osama bin laden swept up during the raid that killed him. details that you'll hear. there's more tonight. new details about how complacent bin laden walls, how he didn't have an escape plan, details giving intelligence experts more reason to believe he thought he could rely on a network of

pakistani protecters to keep him safe. as one of pakistan's leading opinion writers put it, if we didn't know bin laden was in abbottabad, we are a failed state. if we did know, we're a rogue state. tonight, keeping them honest, recall last night we asked pakistan's american ambassador whether u.s. intelligence would be given access to bin laden's wives. listen. he said sometimes pakistani officials promise one thing and don't deliver on it. when do you expect u.s. officials to get access to interrogate these women? >> i'm not going to go into the specifics. all i'm going to say is that the people who deal with these matters in the u.s. government will, within the next two to three days, be talking to you and others and make it very clear to you what exactly is the state of play. >> can you at least guaranty

u.s. officials will be allowed access to bin laden's wives who are in custody? >> pakistan and the united states will continue to share intelligence, the arrangements are going to be worked out between both our sides. >> in fact, what we just learned is what the ambassador didn't know or knew and wasn't saying is the interrogations had already begun. fran townsend is getting information about snags in that process. i also asked the ambassador about the evidence, more of which cnn's barbara starr is reporting of a bin laden support network. the interior minister categorically denied there was any kind of support network to our correspondent. the ambassador told me the matter was still under investigation, then refused to comment further. sources are saying when s.e.a.l.s raided the bin laden compound, they found no signs he had a plan to escape or the means to destroy the gigabytes

of data recovered. the bottom line, he felt safe. was it out of laziness or because he knew he had the right people looking out for him? exclusive details on the interrogation of his wives from fran townsend, who was homeland security adviser in the last administration and currently serves in the cia external advisory committee. and barbara starr and reza sayah in pakistan. fran, you have breaking news tonight, new details about bin laden's wives. what are you hearing from your sources about the ability of the u.s. to interrogate them? >> after your interview, it was clear people were frustrated, people on both sides, the americans and the pakistanis, with whatever it was he was unwilling to say. and so i heard both an pakistani official and american officials that in fact the american intelligence had had access to the three bin laden wives in pakistan.

they got access in the presence of pakistani intelligence. the three women were together at the time, and they were quite hostile is how it was described to me. they were quite hostile to the american officials, the american intelligence folks who were there. the eldest wife of the three seemed to speak for the group. >> this is the yemeni woman? >> that's right. it was described to me, my sense was that the american official felt like this was some progress, that this was early going. they didn't expect any major breakthrough, but there was at least some progress and there was an ongoing exchange of intelligence between pakistani and american officials. >> i understand i was wrong, the yemeni is not the eldest. so your understanding is u.s. intelligence was able to try to talk to these women, but they were all together, which is obviously not the way they would want to try to interrogate or talk to them. and pakistani intelligence was in the room at the time?

>> that's exactly right. anderson, as you point out, the preferred way that you would do this, of course, is the american intelligence officials would not have another service like the pakistanis in the room with them. they would question the women one at a time separately, and try to find inconsistencies in these stories and get leads. that's not the arrangement currently in place, but both sides reinforced to me that in fact they were talking about what the ground rules, if you will, would be, and that this was an ongoing process. we were just at the beginning that this was an ongoing progress. >> you spoke to the pakistani ambassador to the united states. what did he have to say about this? >> i asked him about these facts we just talked about. he absolutely did not want to comment, refused to comment. although i will say he didn't seem up happy with the news that i knew. he was not upset with it. in fact, he wanted me to talk to american intelligence officials. >> will u.s. officials be able to speak to the bin laden wives again?

and maybe speak to them more on terms which are benefit the united states? >> it was certainly the impression i was left with, that it was likely american officials would have additional access. i think right now the question is what will those ground rules be. in fact, the pakistani ambassador, before we got off the phone, said he was traveling to pakistan tomorrow. >> reza, i want to bring you in here. fran is saying this was an effort by the pakistanis to change the narrative. how much of a concern has that been among pakistani officials you've talked to? >> reporter: for 11 days now, ever since this u.s. raid, pakistan's government and military has been pummelled with questions and criticism how bin laden was allowed to hide out here. the criticism culminating last week with none other than u.s. president barack obama coming out saying he believed bin laden had a support network here and he didn't rule out that that support network included elements within pakistan security establishment.

obviously it fuels those old questions that maybe they're playing a double game, maybe they're being selective in who they're going after and i think they're in a position where they know they have to change their position with more than rhetoric and words. i guess access to these wives is one small step. >> some people in the united states will say why wouldn't pakistan allow access to the united states to interview these women? >> reporter: yeah, and that's the balancing act pakistan has to play. on one hand, they have to cooperate with the u.s. on the other hand, they have to address a domestic crowd, a public that's been embarrassed by this episode. a public for the past week has viewed the pakistani military as being pushed around by the u.s. they have to change that perception, the military does. this is a very proud and usually respected military. if they go out right after this

raid where u.s. forces came deep into their territory and went out without being detected, if they give access to these wives to the u.s., that's not going to help changing that perception. i think they're going to try to create the impression that moving forward, they're going to do things on their own terms when it comes to matters on their own soil. but they have to be seen as cooperating with the u.s., as well. >> barbara starr, we're learning some new details dshl i think "the washington post" referred to as osama bin laden's fixation of attacking the united states. >> u.s. officials say he appeared to be fixated on trying to get his followers to launch another attack on the united states. he wanted to see mass casualties. he knew that this would be the kind of thing that would make the american people react. this that so-called diary of his and other documents, there's

discussion of how to attack, when to attack, attacking on some of these anniversary dates, like the ten-year anniversary of 9/11 coming up. he also apparently, by all accounts, was trying to recruit american minorities to fight for him. but the real bottom line, we have all of these statements out there about what he was trying to do. how effective was he? could he effectively communicate with his operatives, get them to launch attacks? could he get communications back from them? that is still something we really don't have a good fix on, anderson. >> reza, it's interesting. you talked to the interior ministry in pakistan. the ambassador here said yes, clearly he had some sort of support network. the superior minister said to you categorically bin laden didn't have a support network in pakistan. do they still stand by that? if he was sending and receiving

messages back, that would have indicated some sort of support network. >> reporter: yeah, the interior minister, and i think most government officials, are clarifying they don't believe he had a support network that included elements within pakistan's current security establishment and government. i don't think that the government is ruling out there may be rogue or retired people from the security establishment. osama bin laden fought alongside a lot of the spy agents here, a successful afghan jihad against the soviets. now many are calling on the same security establishment to turn on him. so it's plausible that some retired or rogue elements may be involved in a support network here. i don't think even the government here is ruling that possibility out. >> reza, appreciate the reporting. fran, bash rashgs stick around

with us. a lot more to talk about, including the entire bin laden raid was captured on helmet cameras. we've been wondering what was happening outside the compound while the raid was going on. did pakistani authorities show up, the military, the police? after all, the u.s. was attacking for 40 minutes. if they didn't show up, why not? we're hearing some details from pakistani locals about what they saw. let us know what you think on facebook or on twitter @ anderson cooper. and later, a scene of unbearable cruelty. snipers in syria gun down a man with a motorcycle. then they try to stop his friends from either saving him or recovering his body. you'll see them real time just how far people will go in the name of simple human decency to save a friend. we'll also talk to a brave woman in syria on the run tonight, hiding from government thugs who

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my money. my choice. my meineke. breaking news tonight, reporting exclusively that americans have already interrogated three captured wives of osama bin laden. the conditions less than ideal. the cooperation apparently rocky. sources telling us they're hoping to work out better and more productive arrangements. we're getting fresh reporting on growing suspicions that bin laden was complacent enough to suggest a network within pakistan was protecting him or at least working with him. there's other breaking news, as well. cbs news reporting that helmet cameras worn by each s.e.a.l. team member captured the entire raid from multiple perspectives and the killing of bin laden, as well. cbs reports that officials are using the video to reconstruct a more accurate version of exactly what happened. now from us, yet another angle you won't see, it comes from cnn's nick payton walsh who

spent time near the bin laden compound. he uncovered an exclusive, stories the locals are telling about mysterious encounters with shadowy troops. >> reporter: the strongest emotion you can count on seeing in the town where osama bin laden lived is rage at the united states. not for osama bin laden living here under their noses or a pakistani army or police who run this town but didn't get to the site of the raid for more than 40 minutes, by which time the navy s.e.a.l.s were long done. pakistani officials would not talk to us. one retired official did tell us he was awoken by the sound of the american's detonating the helicopter that crash landed

here, after which the sound of small arms fire. the question still remains, why was the pakistani military so slow to respond in a town as militarized as this? the helicopter burned as the news slowly emerged of what happened, even though locals had no idea who their neighbor was. some tried to approach during the raid, saw no police or army around but remember one detail, men with laser sighted rifles speaking a local language. >> translator: we never saw their clothes but they were speaking pushto and told us to go away. they told us to turn the lights all off. >> translator: it's possible these men were s.e.a.l.s or afghan commandos known to sometimes help u.s. special forces. other locals were shaken awake

by the thud of helicopters. >> translator: we tried to go there and pointed their laser guns on us. we thought they were from afghanistan, not america. we heard three small blasts and one big one. soon the noise of the helicopters disappeared. 15 minutes later we came out. after that, a few police arrived. then a whole lot of them. >> translator: that would mean it was nearly an hour after the assault began before any pakistani authorities showed up. caught off guard perhaps, never expecting the u.s. to attack, and bin laden to hide right under their noses. >> and nick joins us now from islamab islamabad. how is it possible that the police would not have shown up for nearly an hour? that seems hard to believe given all the noise, the explosions that must have been going on.

>> reporter: absolutely. i think that is the enduring question from this. it also perhaps helps explains to people who might be wondering why was bin laden able to hide out for some long. if it takes an hour to respond, it's going to be pretty hard for those same security services to track down bin laden keeping himself to himself. locals didn't reach out to the police there. they don't trust them. they consider them to be greedy, corrupt, inefficient. >> nick, fareed suggested last week, and again, we don't know, but suggested it's possible maybe someone from the u.s. called the military and said, look, as the operation began saying there's an operation going on, you know, don't interfere. is that possible?

>> reporter: i have to say, i'm very skeptical about the idea of the americans tipping off the pakistanis. they were at each other's throats over a series of issues here based around the u.s. drone campaign. also, from our experience, the pakistani military isn't actually that smooth a machine. you can imagine a phone call being made by the americans to some part of the pakistani military higher ups. even at nato in kabul, their communications aren't that fast when they try to relay to the pakistanis, anderson. >> nick, i want to bring in fran and barbara starr. fran, we just heard a local person telling nick there were people outside the compound during the raid, keeping locals away, speaking a local dialect. >> the only thing that one can imagine is if the navy s.e.a.l.s

brought with them some people to put on the perimeter to help them that spoke the language. but it's bizarre, and as you point out, the length of time that it took for the response is frankly inexplainable. >> we're getting evidence that bill was comfortable in that compound. what have you learned to that? >> i want to go back to what you were chatting about. what we did learn today is of the 24 s.e.a.l.s that landed on the ground, about 1/3 of them actually went and did perimeter security. they were outside the compound trying to keep local people away. we have this now from multiple sources. there seems to be no question that these men that were seen were u.s. military commandos. on the question of bin laden's complacency, what our sources are telling us is look, he had no escape plan. look, what was he doing, waiting for the navy s.e.a.l.s to combusting up the stairs?

he had no escape plan. there's no evidence that he tried to destroy this mountain of intelligence material that the s.e.a.l.s were taking away. at the end of the day, he lived in this location for five years. didn't move, didn't seem to worry about it. and he basically was caught with three other men. one of his sons, a courier, and the courier's brother. that's not a lot of firepower, you know, even on a good day, let alone when you've got a bunch of navy s.e.a.l.s coming through your walls. so he clearly felt complacent or got lazy. >> i guess it could be complacency or laziness or he felt that there was a certain amount of security or had some folks, you know, his network watching after him. again, there's no way to know at this point. >> i think that's right. these people did practice very

significant what you call operational security. these couriers we keep talking about, we know now that they used thumb drives. somebody would show up, take the thumb drive and go to the next town and deliver the thumb drive. this is how he communicated, so-called e-mailed out to his operatives. he felt that he was clearly in a place where he had support, he had people watching out for him. what he didn't know, of course, is that the u.s. government was keeping an eye on him. >> u.s. officials have not ruled out the possibility of some sort of collusion between bin laden and members either current or former of pakistani intelligence services, have they? >> that's right, anderson. everyone i spoke to, and i spoke to three different people on this subject, all made the point to me that there was -- there has been no evidence, they've

seen no information to support the idea that there was someone -- an official inside the pakistani military or intelligence that was supporting him. they haven't found anything so far this would support it. >> fran townsend, great job today of working a lot of sources. barbara starr, as well. and nick payton walsh, as well. thank you so much. stay safe. coming up, unbelievable images. security forces killing civilians in the streets. and you're going to see a heroic effort to try to retrieve a mother and son lying in the streets. also, i'll speak to the wife of a political activist. her husband has been taken, arrested. she doesn't know where he is. she's now in hiding, but she's determined to speak out. she wants her voice heard. a watery state of emergency throughout the south. the mississippi river cresting at a record level in memphis.

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across the south, the lower midwest, about 3 million acres of farm lamdz are flooded tonight and the waters are still rising along the mississippi river. in memphis, as many as a

thousand properties were under water. the flooding is moving steadily south. vicksburg, mississippi, historic town hit hard by flood waters. the river hasn't crested there yet. st. mary parish, they're piling up sand bags to save the church there. in new orleans, the river is already at flood stage and the army corps of engineers is opening more bays at a spillway that directs water into lake pontchartrain. they may open another spillway that would spare new orleans but flood southeast louisiana instead. martin savidge joins us now. >> reporter: each though the flood waters have begun to recede in memphis, there are still pockets of misery. we're in north memphis tonight and this was, still is, i guess, a mobile home park that had anywhere from 100 to 150 units in it. water is now in every single one of those units. the water has been there now for

up to one week. everybody got out safely because they had days notice to begin preparing to leave. but still, everything they left mind is now ruined. there are about 800 people forced to evacuate. 400 remain in shelters tonight. anywhere from 800 to a thousand properties in the city that were affected by the water. again, it is beginning to recede. the only bad news now, rain is once again back in the forecast. it's expected to move in later tonight and in fact, there are concerns by officials here. there should be flash flooding. >> and the area that's affected is tennessee, arkansas, louisiana, southern illinois. we're still looking at thousands of people who could still need to be evacuated in the coming days. >> reporter: right. and the real concern here is, of course, that so far, so far the levies and the system has worked as expected and hoped by many officials. but there's still that nagging fear that if you just had one

breach of one levy or one thing that went wrong, it would be catastrophic with all the water that is out there on the mississippi and the various tributaries tonight. so that is what is in the back of people's minds. nobody is relaxing at this point, and as you say, it is a slow-moving event. it's not going to get to vicksburg until a week from today. so they are going to be under the gun, and they are going to be with a lot of concern for seven more days and nights. >> we were talking about this last night. you can chart this on your calendar when the water is going to arrive. you were saying in new orleans, it may not arrive until the 23rd or 24th, is that right? >> reporter: right. but as you just pointed out, they're at flood stage already down there. it's just a couple inches above flood stage, but that's when the problems begin. it's only going to continue to rise. so they face several weeks now of problems, and, again, as we know down there, that is a state and that is a city that is very much remembering what happened to its levies back in the stays

of katrina in 2005. five years may have gone by, but these are different levies that are going to be pressured in different ways. so no one is going to be sleeping soundly down there for quite some time. >> martin savidge, appreciate it. thank you. let's check in with isha with a "360" news and business bulletin. former senator could face prosecution. the senate ethics committee said there is evidence enson engaged in improper conduct and broke the law. he resigned after it came to light he had an affair with a female aide and allegedly helped her financially. president obama is seeking a two-year ex-tense, which would require congressional approval. the proceeds going to victims. among the items going up for

sale, typewriters, driver's licenses and checks and his original happen written manifesto. another battle in the google war. it turns out facebook was behind an e-mail campaign accusing google of violating prooifty. facebook admitted it hired a firm to focus attention on the issue but denying it intended it to be a smear campaign. >> interesting. we'll check in with you shortly. still ahead, more violence, more arrests in syria, more death. i'm going to talk to the wife of a political activist. she's a human rights activist herself. her husband has been snatched off the street, she says. he has been in hiding for weeks. she's still in hiding, been there for weeks, moving around, trying to stay ahead of authorities. we'll talk to her. disturbing video that claims to show demonstrators under fire. they try to retrieve the bodies of two injured people.

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well, in syria where it's friday morning, security forces are preparing for new anti-government protests expected across the country after muslim prayers. at least 776 protesters have been killed so far across syria

since mid march. i want to show you a video that appears to show syrian security forces firing on demonstrators in dara as they try to retrieve reportedly a mother and son who have been shot. we should warn you the images are disturbing. but it shows you we think not just the brutality of this regime that's killing their own people, it shows you the great lengths that some people will go to, the risks they will take, to help others in need. look. [ gunfire ]

[ gunfire continues ] [ screaming in foreign language ] >> you can see the men were able to retrieve the woman's body. she appears dead, though we didn't be certain. reaching the man is harder. first they try to use a rope to pull the motorcycle out of the way. watch.

[ gunfire ] [ speaking in foreign language ] >> this next clip, you'll see one of the men throw a metal pole across the street where people we can't see are also trying to reach this man. [ speaking in foreign language ]

[ gunfire ] [ speaking foreign language ] >> people crying "god is great."

you might be wondering why are they making such effort to retrieve people who may be dead and why is the government shooting people trying to get at some bodies? the government, we've been told repeatedly shooting at people trying to retrieve the bodies of those they've already shot because often times the funerals become protests. so the government doesn't want to give the bodies to the protesters. thousands in syria have been arrested. we got word a political activist has been arrested today who has been hiding in weeks. his wife is still in hiding right now. she's not backing down, even though her husband is arrested. she's determined to use her name and talked about what is happening no matter the risk. i talked to her earlier tonight. what happened to your husband, how was he taken?

>> i heard he was taken yesterday morning from his job. he wasn't going to his job for weeks now because they tried twice to arrest him the last few weeks. i don't know what exactly happened yesterday and why he went there. i only got news his colleague that he got arrested. >> why do you think he was arrested? >> he's an activist also. he's wanted. two weeks ago they break into our house and arrested his little brother because they didn't find him. >> how long have you been in hiding for now? >> it's a few weeks now. >> and are you moving around, are you trying to stay in one place? >> yes, i'm moving around every few days, yeah. they cut the internet connections in different places where i were. they cut my mobile phone.

it's like they surround you from all sides. >> what do you want the world to know about what is happening in syria right now? >> what's happening is crimes against syrian people. daily killing people only because they want to protest peacefully. children got killed in this way. a woman got killed in this way. everybody should know what is going on and should know that these people want one thing, their freedom to start a new future with freedom and democracy and dignity. >> we're seeing a video right now of people being arrested and put into a van and just being punched and beaten inside the van. what happens to people once they're taken away, do you know? >> they take them to the security branches, practice all kind of torture against them. electricity, beating on their bodies.

some think even sexual violations, all kinds of torture, all kinds. >> in the past, i've gotten tweets from people when i said that we were talking to you who say that we should. use your name, we shouldn't put your on tv because we're putting you in more danger. i've tried to explain your perspective, but some people here don't seem to understand why you feel it's so important. >> it's so important because the whole time the official media say those eyewitnesss are lying, those eyewitnesss don't use their names. all videos we put on youtube is fake. we want to say no, we are real people. we have names. we have families who got arrested, who got tortured. in spite all of that, we want to keep going. nothing will stop us. >> do you worry that the regime is just too strong, that they're willing to kill too many people,

they're willing to do anything to stay in power? >> this regime doesn't understand any other language but the violence. it's not something new. >> can you defeat them? >> with our insistence, with people getting peacefully in this way, in this civil way, in spite of everything, i think we will defeat them. >> and if they come for you, if they take you, what then? >> what then? i'm only one person. i'm only one individual. everything will keep going. >> please be careful as you can, and try to stay safe. thank you so much for your courage. >> thank you. bye. >> the courage of that woman is incredible. a quick programming note. we planned to run my interview with tony blair tonight but weren't able to. we hope to have it tomorrow. here's a preview.

>> people say, what should we worry about most, would it be afghanistan, iraq, pakistan, would it be yemen, would it be somalia? and the answer to that question is, all of those, i'm afraid. >> i talked to him about syria, as well. we hope to bring that to you tomorrow. up next, big oil on capitol hill faces tough questions about high prices at the pump. the ranking republican on the committee said the hearings are a dog and pony show and brought a picture to prove it. also ahead, botox becoming child's play. we'll tell you about the mom getting it for her 8-year-old daughter and why she's not on tonight's "ridicu-list," next. we share. shop from anywhere. and are always connected. we live in a social world.

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a lot more happening tonight. let's check in with isha. this new video, which cnn cannot independently verify, shows rebel forces in libya trying to take control of misurata's airport. there are conflicts reports who is in control of the city. a spokesman said all of misurata has been liberated, but spokesman for the libyan rebels said forces loyal to moammar gadhafi were still in control of parts of the port city. a retired u.s. autoworker was convicted today of being an accessory to nazi war crimes. in the legal battle that stretched over three decades. prosecutors accused the 91-year-old ukraine native of

being a guard at a nazi death camp in poland. five big oil executives defended the tax breaks they get, despite record profits. democrats want the tax cuts repealed, saying the bill would save $21 billion over ten years. one republican called today's hearing a "dog and pony show" saying democrats are only trying to score political points since the bill has virtually no chance or being passed. and anderson, tiger woods dropped out of the players championship after only nine holes. his return to golf after suffering knee and achilles injuries was short lived. it's now unclear if he'll compete in the u.s. open next month. i'm no psychic, but the golfing gods are not happy with him. >> isha, thanks. time for the "ridicu-list." perhaps you heard about the mom giving her 8-year-old daughter botox. tonight, we're not adding her to

the "ridicu-list." we're adding all her hater. she gives her 8-year-old daughter botox injections in the face. why, you may ask? look at her. clearly that's why she needs it. they were on "good morning america" today explaining it pretty well, i thought. >> what do you do it for? >> ummm, i don't know. >> do you do it because you see wrinkles? >> oh, yeah. like wrinkles and -- >> yeah, see every time she makes those cute faces all i can think of she's adding more wrinkles. let's look at this from the mom's perspective. was she supposed to do nothing when the other pageant moms that kept mentioning the lines. back in the old days they called them dimples, but in the olden days they had polio, too.

you wouldn't want that, i don't get what the big fuss is about. she's 8 years old, it's not like she's 7. but keep up those injections she might be able to pass for 7. >> a lot of the moms are giving their kids botox and it's like the thing. i'm not the only one that does it. >> see, she's not the only one. i can see everyone getting upset if she was the object lady sticking needles in her daughter's face. if you watch toddlers in tejeras. yeah, that was a 5-year-old getting her eyebrows waxed. some of the botox mom haters are also yapping about why she's getting the botox from, is it

legally obtained, bla, bla, bla. as far as him concerned she put those to rest. >> he is behind the doctor scene. >> she gets it from a guy behind the doctor scene. lighten up, haters. i think we should applaud this mom. taking the whole pageant thing out of the equation, how do you expect an 8-year-old to be popular in school without painful cosmetic procedures? when you think about it, it's like the people who play classical music for their babies while still in the womb. she's teaching her daughter extra early about what's really important. some people with those wrinkly babies are making noise how botox might affect such a young girl. let me clear that up, because i talked to someone behind the doctor scene.

i found out the side effects are pretty minor -- >> dispage >> see, that's for adults. i don't think they test botox on kids, so it's got to be fine. so kerry, you keep shooting poison in your little kid's face. we'll be right back. [ male announcer ] in 2011, at&t is at work, building up our wireless network all across america. we're adding new cell sites... increasing network capacity, and investing billions of dollars to improve your wireless network experience. from a single phone call to the most advanced data download, we're covering more people in more places than ever before in an effort to give you the best network possible. at&t. rethink possible. [ pneumatic wrench buzzing ] [ slap! slap! slap! ]

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good evening. we begin with breaking news. a "360" exclusive. we learned for the first time that u.s. intelligence has gained access to the three wives of osama bin laden swept up during the raid that killed him. details you'll only hear here, including why america is unhappy with the arrangement it's getting from the pakistani intelligence services. there's more tonight. new details about how complacent bin laden was, how he didn't have an escape plan, details giving intelligence experts more reason to believe he thought he could rely on a network of pakistani protecters to keep him safe. put it all together and it's not a pretty picture tonight. as one of pakistan's leading opinion writers put it, if we didn't know bin laden was in abbottabad, we are a failed state. if we did know, we're a rogue state. tonight, keeping them honest, some of the latest facts to support that view. recall last night we asked pakistan's american ambassador whether u.s. intelligence would be given access to bin laden's wives. listen.

i talked to one former bush administration official who had dealings over the years in pakistan who said sometimes pakistani officials promise one thing but don't deliver on it. when do you expect u.s. officials to get access to interview and/or interrogate these women? >> i'm not going to go into the specifics. all i'm going to say is that the people who deal with these matters in the u.s. government will, within the next two to three days, be talking to you and others and make it very clear to you what exactly is the state of play. >> can you at least guaranty u.s. officials will be allowed access to bin laden's wives who are in custody? >> pakistan and the united states will continue to share intelligence, the arrangements are going to be worked out between both our sides. >> in fact, what we just learned is what the ambassador didn't know or knew and wasn't saying is the interrogations had already begun. but as you'll hear in the moment fran townsend is getting

exclusive inside information about snags in that process. i also asked the ambassador about the evidence, more of which cnn's barbara starr is reporting tonight of a bin laden support network, and questioned him about his own government's inconsistent statements on that subject. the interior minister categorically denied there was any kind of support network to our correspondent. the ambassador told me the matter was still under investigation, then refused to comment further. sources are saying when s.e.a.l.s raided the bin laden compound, they found no signs he had either a plan to escape or the means to destroy the gigabytes of data recovered from his hideout. the bottom line, he felt safe. the question is, was it out of laziness or because he knew he had the right people looking out for him? exclusive details on the interrogation of his wives from fran townsend, who was homeland security adviser in the last administration and currently serves in the department of homeland security and cia external advisory committee. and barbara starr and reza sayah

in pakistan. fran, you have breaking news tonight, new details about bin laden's wives. what are you hearing from your sources about the ability of the u.s. to interrogate them? >> it was very interesting, anderson. after your interview, it was clear people were frustrated, people on both sides, the americans and the pakistanis, with whatever it was he was unwilling to say. and so i heard from a pakistani official and american officials that in fact the american intelligence had had access to the three bin laden wives in pakistan. they got access in the presence of pakistani intelligence. the three women were together at the time, and they were quite hostile is how it was described to me. they were quite hostile to the american officials, the american intelligence folks who were there. the eldest wife of the three seemed to speak for the group. >> this is the yemeni woman? >> that's right. it was described to me, my sense

was that the american official felt like this was some progress, that this was early going. they didn't expect any major breakthrough, but there was at least some progress and there had been an ongoing exchange of intelligence between pakistani and american officials. >> i understand i was wrong, the yemeni is not the eldest. so your understanding is u.s. intelligence was able to try to talk to these women, but they were all together, which is obviously not the way they would want to try to interrogate or talk to them. and pakistani intelligence was in the room at the time? >> that's exactly right. anderson, as you point out, the preferred way that you would do this, of course, is the american intelligence officials would not have another service like the pakistanis in the room with them. they would question the women one at a time separately, and try to find inconsistencies in these stories and get leads. that's not the arrangement currently in place, but both sides reinforced to me that in fact they were talking about what the ground rules, if you

will, would be, and that this was an ongoing process. we were just at the beginning that this was an ongoing progress. >> you also spoke with the pakistani ambassador to the united states, which i also spoke to last night. what did he have to say about this? >> i asked him about these facts we just talked about. he absolutely did not want to comment, refused to comment. although i will say he didn't seem unhappy with the news that i knew. he was not upset with it. he just said he wouldn't comment. in fact, he wanted me to talk to american intelligence officials. >> will u.s. officials be able to speak to the bin laden wives again? do we know that? and maybe speak to them more on terms which will benefit the united states? >> it was certainly the impression i was left with, that it was likely american officials would have additional access. i think right now the question is what will those ground rules be? in fact, the pakistani ambassador, before we got off the phone, said he was traveling to pakistan tomorrow. >> reza, i want to bring you in here. fran is saying this was an effort by the pakistanis to change the narrative.

the perception that they had been uncooperative. how much of a concern has that been among pakistani officials you've talked to? >> reporter: i think it's a big concern. for 11 days now, ever since this u.s. raid, pakistan's government and military has been pummelled with questions and criticism how bin laden was allowed to hide out here. the criticism culminating last week with none other than u.s. president barack obama coming out saying he believed bin laden had a support network here and he didn't rule out that that support network included elements within pakistan security establishment. obviously this puts tremendous pressure on pakistan. it fuels those old questions that maybe they're playing a double game, maybe they're being selective in what type of extremist they're going after. and i think they're in a position where they know they have to change their position with more than rhetoric and words. i guess access to these wives is

one small step. >> some people in the united states will say why wouldn't pakistan allow access to the united states to interview these women? >> reporter: yeah, and that's the balancing act pakistan has to play. on one hand, they have to cooperate with the u.s. on the other hand, they have to address a domestic crowd, a public that's been embarrassed by this episode. a public for the past week has viewed the pakistani military as being pushed around by the u.s. they have to change that perception, the military does. this is a very proud and usually respected military. if they go out right after this raid where u.s. forces came deep into their territory and went out without being detected, if they give access to these wives to the u.s., that's not going to help changing that perception. i think they're going to try to create the impression that moving forward, they're going to do things on their own terms when it comes to matters on their own soil. but at the same time, they have to be seen as cooperating with their partner, the u.s., as well. it's a balancing act.

>> barbara starr, we're learning some new details -- i think "the washington post" referred to as osama bin laden's fixation of attacking the united states. it actually caused some friction within his movement, right? >> u.s. officials say he appeared to be fixated on trying to get his followers to launch another attack on the united states. he wanted to see another mass attack, mass casualties. he knew that this would be the kind of thing that would make the american people react. in that so-called diary of his, and other handwritten documents, there's discussion of how to attack, when to attack, attacking on some of these anniversary dates, like the ten-year anniversary of 9/11 coming up. he also apparently, by all accounts, was trying to recruit american minorities to fight for him. but the real bottom line, we have all of these statements out there about what he was trying to do. how effective was he?

he had command and control from this compound but could he effectively communicate with his operatives, get them to launch attacks? could he get communications back from them? that is still something we really don't have a good fix on, anderson. >> reza, it's interesting. you talked to the interior ministry in pakistan. the ambassador here said yes, clearly he had some sort of support network. the interior minister said to you categorically bin laden didn't have a support network in pakistan. do they still stand by that? if he was sending and receiving messages back, that would have indicated some sort of support network. >> reporter: yeah, the interior minister, and i think most government officials, are clarifying they don't believe he had a support network that included elements within pakistan's current security establishment and government. i don't think that the government here is ruling out there may be rogue or retired elements from the security

establishment that may have helped him. you have to remember to many here in the security establishment, you know, 20 years ago, osama bin laden was a brother in arms. he fought alongside a lot of the spy agents here, a successful afghan jihad against the soviets. now many are calling on the same security establishment to turn on him. so it's plausible that some retired or rogue elements may be involved in a support network here. i don't think even the government here is ruling that possibility out. >> reza, appreciate the reporting. fran, barbara, stick around with us. a lot more to talk about, including the entire bin laden raid was captured on helmet cameras. and another exclusive about the raid itself. we've been wondering what was happening outside the compound while the raid was going on. we know the details of the raid now. the questions are, did pakistani authorities show up, the military, the police? after all, the u.s. was attacking for 40 minutes. if they didn't show up, why not? now for the first time, we're hearing some details from pakistani locals about what they

saw outside the compound. let us know what you think on facebook or on twitter @ anderson cooper. i'll try to be sweeting some tonight. and later, a scene of unbearable cruelty and remarkable courage under fire. snipers in syria gun down a man with a motorcycle. then they try to stop his friends from either saving him or recovering his body. you'll see them real time just how far people will go in the name of simple human decency to save a friend. we'll also talk to a brave woman in syria on the run tonight, hiding from government thugs who have already arrested her husband. that's just ahead. first, let's check in with isha sesay. isha? anderson, the wall of water is moving south tonight, down the mississippi. memphis still flooded. vicksburg, water rising. sandbagging in parishes across parts of louisiana and in new orleans, the river now stands at flood stage. live reporting tonight ahead on "360." [ male announcer ] in 2011, at&t is at work,

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breaking news tonight, reporting exclusively that americans have already interrogated three captured wives of osama bin laden. the conditions less than ideal. the cooperation apparently rocky. sources telling us they're hoping to work out better and more productive arrangements.

we're also getting fresh reporting on growing suspicions that bin laden was complacent enough to suggest a network within pakistan was protecting him or at least working with him. there's other breaking news, as well. cbs news reporting that helmet cameras worn by each s.e.a.l. team member captured the entire raid from multiple perspectives and the killing of bin laden, as well. cbs reports that officials are using the video to reconstruct a more accurate version of exactly what happened. now from us, yet another angle you woman see anywhere else, it comes from cnn's nick payton walsh who spent time near the bin laden compound. he found rage at america, not up expected. he uncovered an exclusive, stories the locals are telling about mysterious encounters with shadowy troops just as the raid was going down. >> reporter: the strongest emotion you can count on seeing in the town where osama bin laden lived is rage at the united states.

not for bin laden living here under the noses of locals or plotting in his diary more attacks against the west or a pakistani army or police who run this town but didn't get to the site for more than 40 minutes, by which time the navy s.e.a.l.s were long gone. no pakistani officials would talk to us about their response. one retired official did tell us he was awoken by the sound of the american's detonating the helicopter that crash landed here, after which the sound of small arms fire and the unusual noise of a helicopter in the night sky did, he says, cause the army to respond quickly. the question still remains, why was the pakistani military so slow to respond in a town as militarized as this? the helicopter burned as the news slowly emerged of what happened, even though locals had no idea who their neighbor was. some tried to approach during

the raid, saw no pakistani police or army around, but remember one mysterious detail. men with laser sighted rifles speaking a local language. >> translator: we never saw their clothes but they were speaking pashto and told us to go away. after a while, one of our nom aleck tristy blackout ended, they told us to turn the lights all off. >> translator: it's possible these men were s.e.a.l.s or afghan commandos known to sometimes help u.s. special forces. other locals were shaken awake by the thud of helicopters. >> translator: we tried to go there and they pointed their laser guns on us and said no, you can't go. they were speaking pashto, so we thought they were from afghanistan, not america. we heard three small blasts and one big one. soon the noise of the helicopters disappeared. 15 minutes later we came out. after that, a few police arrived. then seven or eight army. then a whole lot of them. >> translator: that would mean

it was nearly an hour after the assault began before any pakistani authorities showed up. but the nearest police station is just over five minutes, the army's base even closer. caught off guard perhaps, never expecting the u.s. to attack, and bin laden to hide right under their noses. >> and nick joins us now from islamabad. nick, how is it possible that the military or police would not have shown up if what you're hearing is right for nearly an hour? that seems hard to believe given all the noise, the explosions that must have been going on. >> reporter: absolutely. i think that is the enduring question from this. it also perhaps helps explains to people who might be wondering why was bin laden able to hide out there for so long? if it takes an hour to respond, it woke locals, it caused massive consternation in the village around, it's going to be pretty hard for those same security services to track down

bin laden keeping to himself. locals didn't reach out to the police there. they don't trust them. they consider them to be greedy, corrupt, inefficient. >> nick, fareed zakaria fareed zakaria >> nick, fareed zakaria suggested last week, and, again, we don't know, but suggested it's possible maybe some from the u.s. called the military and said, look, as the operation began saying there's an operation going on, you know, don't interfere. is that possible? >> reporter: i have to say, i'm very skeptical about the idea of the americans tipping off the pakistanis. they were at each other's throats over a series of issues here based around the u.s. drone campaign. also, from our experience, the pakistani military isn't actually that smooth a machine. you can imagine a phone call being made by the americans to some part of the pakistani military higher ups.

and their taking a significant amount of time to trickle down. even at nato in kabul, their communications aren't that fast when they try to relay to the pakistanis, anderson. >> nick, i want to bring in fran townsend now and barbara starr in washington. fran, we just heard a local person telling nick there were people outside the compound during the raid, keeping locals away, who may have been speaking a pashto dialect. if that is true, would that surprise you at all? >> that would surprise me. the only thing that one can imagine is if the navy s.e.a.l.s brought with them some people to put on the perimeter to help them that spoke the language. so that no one else tried to get into the compound. but it's bizarre, and as you point out, the length of time that it took for the response is frankly inexplicable. >> barbara, we're getting fresh evidence that bin laden was comfortable in that compound. what have you learned to that?

>> will the >> >> i want to go back to what you were chatting about. what we did learn today is of the 24 s.e.a.l.s that landed on the ground, about 1/3 of them actually went and did perimeter security. they were outside the compound trying to keep local people away. we have this now from multiple sources. there seems to be no question that these men that were seen were u.s. military commandos. on the question of bin laden's complacency, what our sources are telling us is look, he had no escape plan. what was he doing, waiting on a third floor in a bedroom for the navy s.e.a.l.s to come busting up the stairs? he had no escape plan. there's no evidence that he tried to destroy this mountain of intelligence material that the s.e.a.l.s were taking away. at the end of the day, he lived in this location for five years. didn't move, didn't seem to worry about it. and he basically was caught with three other men. one of his sons, a courier, and the courier's brother. that's not a lot of firepower, you know, even on a good day, let alone when you've got a

bunch of navy s.e.a.l.s coming through your walls. so he clearly felt complacent or he got lazy. but the thinking is, he was complacent and he felt he was in a place where he'd be safe. >> i guess it could be complacency or laziness or he felt that there was a certain amount of security or had some folks, you know, his network watching after him. again, there's no way to know at this point. >> i think that's right. these people did practice very significant what you call operational security. these couriers we keep talking about, we know now that they used thumb drives. we're all familiar with those. the little computer thumb drives. somebody would show up, take the thumb drive and go to the next town and deliver it to another courier they didn't even know and it goes from town to town to town. this is how he communicated, so-called e-mailed out to his operatives.

he felt that he was clearly in a place where he had support, he had people watching out for him. what he didn't know, of course, is that the u.s. government was keeping an eye on him for the last many months. >> u.s. officials have not ruled out the possibility of some sort of collusion between bin laden and members either current or former of pakistani intelligence services, have they? >> that's right, anderson. but i should say that everyone i spoke to, and i spoke to three different people on this subject, all made the point to me that there was -- there has been no evidence, they've seen no information to support the idea that there was someone -- an official inside the pakistani military or intelligence that was supporting him. they can't rule it out, but they haven't found anything so far this would support it. >> fran townsend, great job today of working a lot of sources. i appreciate that. barbara starr, as well. and nick payton walsh, as well. as always, thank you so much. stay safe. coming up, unbelievable

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across the south, the lower midwest, about 3 million acres of farmland are flooded tonight and the waters are still rising along the mississippi river. here's what it looks like in memphis, leaving as many as a thousand properties under water. the flooding is moving steadily south. take a look at vicksburg, mississippi, historic town hit hard by flood waters. the river hasn't crested there yet. st. mary parish, they're piling up sand bags to save the church there. some 26 parishes in the state have declared states of emergencies. in new orleans, the river is already at flood stage and the

army corps of engineers is opening more bays at a spillway that directs water into lake pontchartrain. they've also warned they may open another spillway which would spare new orleans while flooding southeastern louisiana instead. martin savidge joins us now. what are you seeing with the flooding where you are, marty? >> reporter: each though the flood waters have begun to recede in memphis, there are still pockets of misery. this is a clear example of one of them. we're in north memphis tonight and this was, still is, i guess, a mobile home park that had anywhere from 100 to 150 units in it. water is now in every single one of those units. the water has been there now for up to one week. everybody got out safely because they had days notice to begin preparing to leave. but still, everything they left behind is now ruined. there are about 800 people forced to evacuate. 400 remain in shelters tonight. anywhere from 800 to a thousand properties in the city that were affected by the water. again, it is beginning to recede. the only bad news now, rain is once again back in the forecast.

it's expected to move in later tonight and in fact, there are concerns by officials here. there could be flash flooding. >> and the area that's affected is tennessee, arkansas, louisiana, southern illinois. we're still looking at thousands of people who could still need to be evacuated in the coming days. >> reporter: right. and the real concern here is, of course, that so far, so far the levies and the system has worked as expected and hoped by many of the officials. but there's still that nagging fear that if you just had one breach of one levy or one thing that went wrong, it would be catastrophic with all the water that is out there on the mississippi and the various tributaries tonight. so that is what is in the back of people's minds. nobody is relaxing at this point, and as you say, it is a slow-moving event. it's not going to get to vicksburg until a week from today. so they are going to be under the gun, and they are going to be with a lot of concern for

seven more days and nights. >> we were talking about this last night. you can chart this on your calendar when the water is going to arrive. you were saying in new orleans, it may not arrive until the 23rd or 24th, is that right? >> reporter: right. but as you just pointed out, they're at flood stage already down there. it's just a couple inches above flood stage, but that's when the problems begin. it's only going to continue to rise. so they face several weeks now of problems, and, again, as we know down there, that is a state and that is a city that is very much remembering what happened to its levies back in the days of katrina in 2005. five years may have gone by, but these are different levies that are going to be pressured in different ways. so no one is going to be sleeping soundly down there for quite some time. >> martin savidge, appreciate it. thank you. let's check in with isha with a "360" news and business bulletin. anderson, former senator john ensign could face

prosecution in his sex and lobbying scandal. the senate ethics committee said there is evidence ensign engaged in improper conduct and broke the law. he resigned after it came to light he had an affair with a female aide and allegedly helped her financially. robin williams could stay on as cia director after his term expires in september. president obama is seeking a two-year ex-tense, which would require congressional approval. marshals will auk shup off some of ted kaczynski's personal effects later this month. among the items going up for sale, typewriters, driver's licenses and checks and his original handwritten manifesto. another battle in the google war. it turns out facebook was behind an e-mail campaign accusing google of violating privacy. facebook admitted it hired a pr firm to focus attention on the issue, but anderson, it's

denying that it intended it to be a sneer campaign. >> interesting. we'll check in with you shortly. still ahead, more violence, more arrests in syria, more death. i'm going to talk to the wife of a political activist. she's a human rights activist herself. her husband has been snatched off the street, she says. he has been in hiding for weeks. she's still in hiding, been there for weeks, moving around, trying to stay ahead of authorities. we'll talk to her. plus, disturbing video that claims to show demonstrators under fire. they try to retrieve the bodies of two injured people. you have to see this video from syria. [ male announcer ] in 2011, at&t is at work, building up our wireless network all across america. we're adding new cell sites... increasing network capacity, and investing billions of dollars to improve your wireless network experience. from a single phone call to the most advanced data download, we're covering more people in more places than ever before

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well, in syria where it's friday morning, security forces are preparing for new anti-government protests expected across the country after muslim prayers. human rights groups say at least 776 protesters have been killed so far across syria since mid march. i want to show you a video that appears to show syrian security forces firing on demonstrators in dara as they try to retrieve two people lying in the street. reportedly a mother and son who

appear to have been shot. we can't verify the video's authenticity. we should warn you the images are disturbing. but it shows you we think not just the brutality of this regime that's killing their own people, it shows you the great lengths that some people will go to, the risks they will take, to help others in need. look. [ gunfire ] [ screaming in foreign language ] >> you can see the men were able to retrieve the woman's body. she appears dead, though we can't be certain. reaching the man is harder. first they try to use a rope to pull the motorcycle out of the way. watch.

[ speaking in foreign language ] [ gunfire ] [ speaking in foreign language ] >> this next clip, you'll see one of the men throw a metal pole across the street where people we can't see are also trying to reach this man. [ speaking in foreign language ] [ gunfire ]

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>> people crying "god is great." they eventually succeed. hard to tell, though, if the man is alive or dead. you might be wondering why are they making such effort to retrieve people who may be dead and why is the government shooting people trying to get at some bodies? the government, we've been told repeatedly shooting at people who try to retrieve the bodies of those they've already shot because often times the funerals of the dead who have been killed become protests. so the government doesn't want to give the bodies to the families, to the protesters because they're afraid more protests might break out. thousands in syria have been arrested. we got word a political activist has been arrested today who has been in hiding for weeks. his wife is still in hiding right now.

she is still in hiding right now. she's not backing down, even though her husband is arrested. she's determined to use her name and talked about what is happening no matter the risk. i talked to her earlier tonight. what happened to your husband, how was he taken? >> i just heard a few hours ago he was taken yesterday afternoon from his job. he wasn't going to his job for weeks now because they tried twice to arrest him the last few weeks. i don't know what exactly happened yesterday and why he went there. i only got news from his colleague that he got arrested. >> why do you think he was arrested? >> he's an activist also. they wanted to arrest him before. two weeks ago they break into our house and arrested his little brother because they didn't find him. >> how long have you been in hiding for now? >> it's a few weeks now. >> and are you moving around,

are you trying to stay in one place? >> yes, i'm moving around every few days, yeah. they cut the internet connections in different places where i were. they cut my mobile phone. it's like they surround you from all sides. >> what do you want the world to know about what is happening in syria right now? >> what's happening is crimes against syrian people. daily killing people only because they want to protest peacefully. children got killed in this way. a woman got killed in this way. everybody should know what is going on and should know that these people want one thing, their freedom to start a new future with freedom and democracy and dignity. >> we're seeing a video right now of people being arrested and put into a van and just being punched and beaten inside the van. what happens to people once they're taken away, do you know? >> they take them to the

security branches, practice all kind of torture against them. electricity, beating on their bodies. some think even sexual violations, all kinds of torture, all kinds. >> in the past, i've gotten tweets from people when i said that we were talking to you who say that we shouldn't use your name, we shouldn't put your on tv because we're putting you in more danger. i've tried to explain your perspective, but some people here don't seem to understand why you feel it's so important. >> it's so important because the whole time the official media say those eyewitnesss are lying, those eyewitnesss don't use their names. all videos we put on youtube is fake. we want to say no, we are real people. we have names. we have families who got arrested, who got tortured. in spite all of that, we want to

keep going. nothing will stop us. >> do you worry that the regime is just too strong, that they're willing to kill too many people, they're willing to do anything to stay in power? >> this regime doesn't understand any other language but the violence. it's not something new. >> can you defeat them? >> with our insistence, with people getting peacefully in this way, in this civil way, in spite of everything, i think we will defeat them. >> and if they come for you, if they take you, what then? >> what then? i'm only one person. i'm only one individual. everything will keep going. >> please be careful as you can, and try to stay safe. thank you so much for your courage.

>> thank you. bye. >> the courage of that woman is incredible. a quick programming note. we planned to run my interview with british prime minister tony blair tonight but were up able to. we hope to have it tomorrow. here's a preview. >> people say, what should we worry about most, would it be afghanistan, iraq, pakistan, would it be yemen, would it be somalia? and the answer to that question is, all of those, i'm afraid. >> i talked to him about syria, as well. again, we hope to bring you the full interview tomorrow on "360." up next, big oil on capitol hill faces tough questions about high prices at the pump. the ranking republican on the committee said the hearings are a dog and pony show and brought a picture to prove it. [ male announcer ] it's simple physics...

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a lot more happening tonight. let's check in with isha. this new video, which cnn cannot independently verify, purports to show rebel forces in libya fight tuesday to take control of the misurata airport. tonight, there are conflicting reports about who is in control of the city. a spokesman for the transitional

national council said all of misurata has been lib brated, but spokesman for the libyan rebels said forces loyal to moammar gadhafi were still in control of parts of the port city. a retired u.s. autoworker was convicted today of being an accessory to nazi war crimes. in the legal battle that stretched over three decades. prosecutors accused the 91-year-old ukraine native of being a guard at a nazi death camp in poland. on capitol hill, five big oil executives defended the tax breaks they get, despite record profits. democrats want the tax cuts repealed, saying the bill would save $21 billion over ten years. one republican called today's hearing a "dog and pony show" saying democrats are only trying to score political points since the bill has virtually no chance of being passed. and anderson, tiger woods limped off the golf course today and dropped out of the players championship after only nine holes. his return to golf after suffering knee and achilles

injuries was short lived. it's now unclear if he'll compete in the u.s. open next month. i'm no psychic, but the golfing gods are not happy with him. >> isha, thanks. up next, see how the creator of "star wars" is changing education in america.

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george lewis is best known for creating "star wars" but he's also a driving force in changing education in america. he's donated a lot of his fortune to create a new world of learning. with tonight's "perry's principles," here's steve perry. >> george lucas conquered the empire with the power of the force. now he's conquering education with the power of the internet. >> i strongly believe that education is the single most important job that the human

race has. >> a free, nonprofit site that highlights what works in schools with blogs, articles and videos. >> we're looking at ways for students to deepen their knowledge and work with their own knowledge. >> so often you find that people know that their education system could be better, but they're not always sure exactly in what way. so what we've tried to do is shine a spotlight on innovation in real schools happening right now around the country, sometimes around the world, and show people with the power of video what it looks like. and not just show them what it looks like but how it's taking place. >> one of the biggest challenges that i see in education is that when a school is successful, people begin to see that can't be replicated. >> we try in our coverage to show tips and strategies that can be adapted, that can be extended to other environments. >> like in southern california,

where michelle smith lives. >> my son is dyslexic. there were a lot of challenges he was facing in a traditional school setting. so i started educating myself on charter schools. >> what were some of the strategies you used to do research? >> i found a lot on the website. >> so you found strategies that you were successful? >> yes. >> smith produced a video illustrating the vision she had for a new charter school. >> this is our school site. this is context middle school 2011. >> these are people who care. they're change agents in education and come from all these different view points. parents, teacher leaders. so often with education, it's about what's wrong, the problems in education, yet there's this force of people out there on the front lines. >> it gives them ownership. they built it, they'll test it.

>> here we go. >> so often you don't have the chance to show kids that education is real, there's value to it, and they get a chance to put that together. >> we have a lift. >> you know, it does seem like this never-ending challenge. what can everybody do to improve schools? >> well, we know what works in schools. you've heard me say this before, anderson. it's no mystery to us what works in schools. it's got thousands of different examples from throughout the country and world, not just in urban or suburban schools but all schools in between, so parents and educators can look on the website and have a better understanding of what's working. >> steve perry, thanks. >> thank you. >> that does it for "360." thanks for watching.