"time" magazine and at time.com. also, check out our new innovation channel on our global public square blog. you can find it at cnn.com/gps. thanks for tuning in. you can catch us sundays in our normal time slot, 10 a.m. eastern and pacific. thanks again. tonight before there was kim or lindsay, there was paris. you might say we've got, well, a little history. >> hi, piers, it's me paris. >> you probably think you know everything about paris hilton, but this is the other paris, the one you don't know. >> i haven't seen you since we got married in vegas. good times. >> miss hilton has made her share of headlines. she's never told the real story until tonight. >> girls got to are some secrets, but i'll tell you everything. after all, we were married, sort of. >> paris hilton, her fabulous

life, her loves, those scandals and what her mother thinks of the whole shebang. >> paris, did you really marry piers? >> paris and kathy hilton tell it all. this is "piers morgan tonight." kathy, welcome. >> thank you. >> how are you both? >> very good. >> really good. >> paris? do you feel like you've been to the lion's den a little bit tonight? >> a little bit. >> why? >> i always get nervous in interviews, especially being at cnn. >> why cnn? >> because it's just, you know, very serious place and you make me nervous. >> do you think people take you seriously? >> when people know me, they do. >> would you like to be taken more seriously? >> i would, definitely. >> why would it be important to you, given your brand? i'm sure you'd at minute this, has been built around being a ditsy blond. why would you care about being

taken seriously? >> because i feel i've really grown in the last couple of years. i just turned 30. i'm an adult. and i feel i deserve it. >> i want to play your mother a clip that she may have never seen before to illustrate her role in this little triangle. you know where i'm going here. >> yes. >> let's watch. >> we now pronounce you husband and wife. piers, you may kiss your wife. >> thanks. ♪ >> remember, piers, what happens in vegas, stays in vegas. but i'm keeping the ring. >> that is hysterical. >> kathy, we were actually married. i don't know if you knew this. >> i heard about this. >> and we also committed the worst kiss in television history. it was like two bullfrogs colliding. just to put your mind at rest, we're not legally married. it was an exercise about documentaries for vegas, about chapel weddings. it was quite fun.

you had never been in a wedding dress. that was it. >> that was the it. >> the one and only time. how did it make you feel in. >> xfs exciting. it was fun. you know, i think everyone has to get married in vegas at least once. >> what i remember most about that day i spent with you is that you had these two voices. and it was a bit like your friend michael jackson, who you knew very well. very high-pitched, sort of quite silly voice for part of it, which was the brand, if you like. and then the moment i talked about business, boom, your voice dropped a few being on taifs. i saw a xletly different paris hilton. michael jackson was the thing. >> it's more about being shy, believe it or not. they -- >> you both -- >> they go to that place. >> are you saying paris is shy? >> she can be. >> really? >> uh-huh. >> you can be shy? >> yes. >> she can. >> i am. >> i find that almost impossible to believe. >> it's hard to believe, but it's true. >> why are you here? >> here with you?

>> yeah. why are you doing the interview? >> because i missed you. >> oh. >> that is perfectly understandable. but, actually, you're here to promote something. you wouldn't do it otherwise, would you? part of your brand you control pretty ruthlessly, and nothing wrong with that, is you come on to promote stuff. what are you promoting? >> i'm here for the world according to paris, which is my new tv show. >> i love that title "the world according to paris." how interested are you in the world? >> very. >> are you? >> yes. >> are you interested in world affairs? >> yes, i am. >> genuinely? >> yes. >> i mean, when you see what's going on in the middle east and stuff like that, do you have a healthy interest or does that kind of stuff not really touch your life? >> i have so much going on in my life. yes, i do pay attention to what's going on in the world, but i also focus a lot on my business. >> kathy, you're in this tv show quite a lot. >> yes. >> what's it like being paris hilton's mom?

>> it's been quite an experience. it's been quite a ride, i must say. >> she's a phenomenon of modern times. you know, this kind much -- there aren't many others like you. i mean, in britain we have katie price, i guess, someone like that. here you are the kardashians and others. people who have become famous for being famous. i hope you don't find that an offensive term, no reason you should, that have built incredible business empires around being a brand. >> i think with paris, to me, she's just my daughter, until we're out somewhere in public. and i see all of the craziness. one day we were in las vegas and we were supposed to meet at the store in the mall. and i had stopped at another store first. i saw all of these policemen with the hats and the clubs and like this craziness, like a prize fighter was coming out. and all the people, that's paris hilton.

it was weird because i couldn't even get to my own -- they were running by. i couldn't even get to my own daughter. >> because the media -- >> so then you stop and look at that and go, wow, that -- that's intense. >> i've seen the same thing. i went to one of your fragrance launches. it was just madness, mayhem down there. it's interesting because the media that likes to ridicule you also loves to feed off you. i see that. as a former newspaper editor, you know, you used to sell papers. and yet at the same time, nothing we used to like more than mocking paris hilton. do you find that easy to deal with? are you happy with that relationship with the media? >> you know, it used to really bother me when i first came out in the media when i was 15 years owed. it was really hurtful. you know, i would cry to my mom about it. but it's been happening for so long now that i just don't pay attention. i have so many positive, amazing things in my life that i don't really like to focus on negative things. >> do you google yourself? >> not really. my publicist will send me

articles. >> if you came on "america's got talent" what would your tal enbe? >> hmm. singing? >> can you sing? you can sing. >> i'm recording my new album right now. >> do you think you're a serious singer or a brand that sings as an extension of your brand? >> it's just part of my brand. i see myself as a businesswoman and a brand. singing is something that just adds to my brand. >> it's funny. when i interviewed the kardashians we got flack on the show saying, why are you interviewing them for cnn? but i find this phenomenon really fascinating. the fact that you can build this empire, this brand out of being you, whether people like you or not, or take you seriously or not, is almost immaterial. the fact is millions and millions of people around the world live their lives vicariously through you, and i'm fascinated. otherwise you wouldn't have this business. kathy, what do you think of modern fame in that sense, that you can actually see your

daughter, paris, not going through a conventional talent like acting or something like that, but just being paris hilton and making money? >> it's been, as you said, a long time in the making. and she does work so hard. it's a lot of work and traveling, and so -- and she's very dedicated. >> do you worry about her? >> i used to, but i really don't as much anymore. i'm a lot calmer now. >> because she's behaving better? >> she's behaving better, she's grown up. she's been through a lot. >> interesting to me that you said you feel like you're an adult now, but that's because you turned 30, but you're aware you become an adult at 18. >> but she's still like a little girl, and that i think is one of the very attractive, sweet qualities that she has. >> why -- >> i can scold her and yell at her and she'll be like, okay. mom. >> why are so people fascinating

by paris, do you think? >> i think that, you know, she has a famous last name, she's very attractive, she is daring, she's willing to go out there and then if she stumbles, she picks herself right back up and dusts herself off and she's very ambition. and a lot of people look at her and say, well, why does she have to go and do anything? she's a strong character. >> that's what i say when i defend to you people, because i'm a bit of a fan of yours, because i like the work ethic, like i do with the kardashians. people work hard -- >> that's right. >> -- they work on developinging a brand, making lot of money, i see you in no different light than a business people, to some tycoon, it's the same principle. you're sort of involved in developing and marking and promoting and making money for a brand. i get that. it's interesting, you said in "the simple life" that is-t wasn't really you.

is this show we're going to see more the real paris? >> the show is all real, everything that happens. i felt like i was finally ready to show who i really was. and i'm really honest in the show. there's a lot of things in the show i can't even believe i'm going to let air, but i want it to be as real as possible. people to get to know me. i feel like there's so many misconceptions. >> what are the misconceptions about you? >> i think there's definitely a lot. having the last name hilton, people assume everything was handed to me and i've never had to work a day in my life, but reality-n reality i've worked so hard, i've done this all on my own. i don't take anything from my family. i do everything by myself. >> see, that is laudable. no question. >> also, she's not as -- she's kind of thrifty in her own way. the public has this perception she has no regard for money and she's spoiled rotten. i remember she and nikki wanted cell phones when we moved to new york. it was like, no way. you're 15 and 13.

well, everybody else has one. and she tried to explain that it's for safety reasons. so, finally after about six months i gave in. you know, then she'd lose the cell phone so i'm like, that's over. but i think the public or the media has run with that so much. it's so not true. >> lots of girls in your position, you know, who come from the hilton family, would have probably just not bothered working at all. you didn't need to. that's what i mean about saying it's laudable what you've actually done with your life because, again, whether people like you or not sdet doesn't really matter. it's the fact you do work hard. >> yes. >> and i can admire the ethic there that comes from somebody who had every reason to do nothing at all. how much of that was down to your parents? >> just growing up, my parents never spoiled us. they always made us want to do something on our own. i think -- have i a name where i have a lot to live up to. i didn't want to be known as the

hilton granddaughter. i wanted to build my own empire and do something on my own. it was just something that runs in my blood, wanting to be creative and do big things. >> i want to interrupt to say my husband is self-made. and i met him when i was 15. he was 19. we got married four years later. and we had paris a year later. and lived in a tiny little apartme apartment. and if you saw a picture of it, you would not believe it. we have done everything on our own. and, yes, you have a name but the door can be shut right in your face, too. >> do you get frustrated -- sounds to me like you do -- about this kind of sense that you've just been born into all this? you're all just a bunch of rich socialites? >> yes, it is. it is, to me, frustrating. >> does that annoy you? >> the people that know us, know the truth. >> how would you characterize the hilton -- >> family?

>> -- family? yes in terms of values. >> all my brother and sister-in-laws, i have seven brother and strrister-in-laws, everybody is very honorable. they wouldn't lie to you. they don't brag. they are an incredible -- i mean i really respect them. >> we'll take a short break. when we come back, i want to talk about the moment that catapulted you into the celebrity stratosphere. [ male announcer ] bridgestone is using natural rubber, producing products that save on fuel and emissions like ecopia tires... even making parts for solar panels that harness the sun's energy... working on social activities like clean up programs on beaches in many locations... and regional replanting activities that will help make a better world for all of us. ♪ one team. one planet

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back with my special guest, paris and kathy hilton. your career wassed toling along quite nicely and then came this infamous sex tape. you were suddenly catapulted into this completely different league of modern celebrity. take me back to -- i don't want to belabor the point, but take me back to the point you knew this was all going to go public. how did you actually feel? >> i was in shock. i had no idea. we were in australia when i heard the news that someone had been sent a clip, one of

entertainment shows. and i didn't believe it at first. then when i landed back in l.a. is when i saw what happened. and i was -- it was the most embarrassing, humiliating thing that's ever appeared to me in my life. >> did you call your mom? >> yeah, i did. i was so embarrassed to even call her and tell her about it. >> how do you begin to tell your mother about something like that? i can't imagine. >> i just called her crying -- >> do you remember, kathy? >> i don't. it's all like a fog right now. and it was a very difficult time. >> i mean, awful. >> yeah. >> although -- >> to keep her home for like three months straight was -- you know had it to be very embarrassing. >> which is what had you to do as a family to protect paris. >> well, i mean, she would not leave the house.

she was -- so, it was very -- and we lived in new york, too, so wherever you're going, there are those boxes with the newspapers, with the new york post, the daily news, and it was constantly, you know, i'd are to take my sons to school and walk them in. and it would be sitting on the front -- you know, at the reception desk. >> i mean, nothing worse for a mother, i wouldn't have thought, to see a daughter exposed in that way. however much people laughed at you paris over it all, i know from talking to you before about this, it's an incredibly invasive thing for any woman to have to go through. you're not in the adult entertainment industry. >> no. >> this was not for public consumption. and, obviously, i'm sure you regret ever putting anything on tape like that. >> yeah. >> how did you get her back on track?

>> we had therapy. and i think that that really helped. >> what do you say to someone who was in paris's position? what can you say? >> i didn't know what to say. so, that's why i reached out for professional help. >> now, did you -- >> and also to be able so that, you know, to help so i could, you know, explain to my sons and nikki, you know, our whole family was effected. my husband. >> what did you think of the people that put it out there? honestly? >> well, let's just -- again, i don't like -- not good. >> what do you feel about them now? >> i just -- just felt so

betrayed. this is not some random guy. this was someone i was with for a few years. >> that you loved? >> i thought i did. and i can't believe that he would do something like that to me. it's something that changed my life forever. you know, when i was a little girl, i looked up to people like princess diana and these women, and i feel like he took that away from me. and this is not what i planned. i didn't want to be known as that and it's -- now when people look at me, they think that i'm something i'm not just because of one incident, one night, with someone who i was in love with. people assume, oh, she's a slut just because of one thing that happened to me. and it's -- it's hard because i'll never -- i'll have to live with that for the rest of my life and explain it to my children. and it's -- i don't know. it's something that's whanged my life forever and i'll never be able to erase it. >> i mean, the worst thing about it, it seemed to me -- and i can tell how upsetting this is for

you, kathy. i totally understand that. is the worst thing for both of you the fact that the internet, which in many i whats -- >> do you have a tissue? >> yeah. do you to want take a little break? >> no, that's okay. i'll just -- >> we'll get you a tissue. okay, kathy? >> uh-huh. here you go. >> thank you. leave the box here so we've got them. yeah. is the worst thing about this the fact that the internet, which in many ways has helped you become this huge star, nothing to do with this tape, just generally you use -- you know, you use the media and the internet is a very useful tool for you with your website and everything else, the worst thing for both of you, it's always going to be there? >> yes. >> one click away. >> no escape. >> i could type in paris hilton sex tape on google and up it

comes, just page after page of links to this tape. you can never extinguish it. it's there forever. like you said, you know, you'll have children one day. >> right. >> your grandchildren. they're going to -- they're going to be able to find this. and they will find it. and they will see it. and i mean, i can't imagine how -- >> it's stupid and we didn't have cameras like that when i was a teenager or we are weren't -- you know, you just can't take pictures and do stupid things. even with somebody that you're with because you just never know. and paris, that's the one thing that really drives me crazy about her, is she's so trusting and daring and -- and i think she's learned, too. also when you ask me how we -- we reacted with her. she knew -- she was as hurt as we were, and seeing us in pain

and seeing her in pain, it was just like we just all came together and were just supporting each other. >> i mean, extraordinarily i see people now -- >> and it doesn't go away. that's something that will always -- >> i see people now, you know, pretty low ranking celebrities, who i suspect are almost deliberately -- >> oh, it's disgusting. >> -- creating sex tapes and put them out. >> like it's some recipe. >> it's almost part of becoming a celebrity. >> well, i can say this, that paris already had, you know, 14 -- 12 or 14 pages in "vanity fair." i think we have to give donald trump and also braden carter from "vanity fair" some credit because they both -- you know, he -- donald actually was handling her modeling career and talked us into even allowing r her, because we were friends with him, so he really started her out and then graydon spotted

her, you know, in new york and did this whole story on her. so, that really was when people started to see -- >> suddenly the tape wasn't the first we heard of you. >> right. >> you were building a very nice career for yourself. "vanity fair" was a key part of that, i know that. having donald trump supporting as a model, very important given his relationship with the pageantry and beauty contests and he's a powerful ally to have. when this whole tape thing blew up, what did donald trump say to you? >> said he was furious at -- >> oh, he was angry. >> he was really angry. >> did he give you any advice on how to deal with it? >> dad and i talked with him mostly. >> yeah, mostly they talked. >> he would just -- when he would see paris he would hug her and go, i love you. >> he was very supportive. >> really supportive. >> when you see your mother this upset by, it it must really upset you, doesn't it? i mean, it upsets me and i'm not

one of the family. it's hurtful to see any mother be this upset by something like that. >> it is. it's something that we don't talk about. >> we don'ter talk about it. >> i try not to think about it. yeah, it's something we don't ever talk about. >> we'll take a break, give you a bit of time to have a breather here. when we come back, i want to talk to you about fame, about celebrity, about what we can clearly see can occasionally be a pretty bad downside to the upside that comes with being famous. >> yeah. ♪ [ male announcer ] in 2011, at&t is at work, building up our wireless network all across america. we're adding new cell sites... increasing network capacity, and investing billions of dollars to improve your wireless network experience. from a single phone call to the most advanced data download, we're covering more people in more places than ever before in an effort to give you the best network possible.

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i'm here with kathy and paris hilton. obviously, very emotional part of the interview just now. you made me think hard, really, about modern fame, whether it's really worth it. and, obviously, it's very lucrative to you, paris, and family, i guess, benefit from some of the fun stuff that goes with being very famous. but when i see your mom in that state, i see a downside, which is clearly there. what do you think of the whole fame game now that you've had enough time to be in it for a while? >> well, i've been doing this for 15 years now, so half my life. and there's it's ups and downs. it's hard sometimes. there are so many amazing things

that go with it, but just like anything, that's the bad and the hard that goes with it, too. >> what are the things you witch y wish you didn't have to put up, other than what we've just discussed? >> one of the things is in the media, there's all these people who i've never met before or maybe people from my past who want to sell stories and make money, so they'll make up these crazy stories and people believe them. >> i'll play devil's advocate. i'll represent the immediate, yeah and i used to run two of the biggest newspapers in brat britt tan. i would say, come o paris, you play this game smartly, aggressively, use the media to make money, you know that argument. are you really -- this is a tough question, but a simple one. are you really entitled to any privacy given the amount of your private life that you put out there for commercial gain? >> when you're in this business, it's what you sign up for, so there's going to be no privacy.

so -- >> is that a price worth paying? in the end? >> sometimes. sometimes not. >> unless you have really thick skin. >> i've really grown a thick skin over the years. and i've had so many things said about me. it's hard, but i feel like what else could happen at this point? everything bad that can happen to a person has happened to me. >> you try to correct it, then you're making it a bigger deal. but the new way with the media is they will call you and say, we have a story and we have a deadline. and we're going with this. we got a -- a source says blah, blah, blah. and so ydo you want to comment r not? they know it possibly isn't even true but they'll just go with it. >> if i could offer you a deal where paris didn't go through that door-marked fame, as her

mother now, would you take that deal and stop her doing that, stop her becoming famous? i mean, she said she's got harder, maybe -- >> if she doesn't have to go through what we just talked about, yes, obviously. i mean,dy think she was going to be a veterinarian. >> did you? >> uh-huh. she was a tomboy. she didn't even care about clothing or any of that until we moved to new york. >> vukd been a vet. >> that's what i wanted to be. i love animals. ever since i was a little girl that's what i always wanted to be. >> paris, you hang out with with i lot of people, lindsay lohan and all those guys over the years, some of whom have really fallen badly. >> yeah. >> why is that? why do some manage to deal with the fame and fortune and celebrity and others just fall by the wayside? what do you think is behind that? >> i think it has a lot to do with your family. i'm so fortunate my parents have been together forever. they're so supportive. they're there for me.

they love me for me. and i think these other people, you know, their parental as are living off them. i don't know. they just don't have that home life. i don't know. if i didn't have my parents, i don't know where i'd be today. i feel very lucky to have my mom and dad. and i love you. >> i love you. >> see, i feel that. i think that is the truth, a lot of this. a lot of theme people are damaged. you look at their parents, you look at their upbringing. there's always something there. often it's a lack of love. you'll be amazed at the number of people i interview where they say they never got told by either parent, offer at least one of their parents, they love them, ever. it's almost like they go and crave it somewhere, that craving leads to other cravings through this lack of a human commodity, love. >> i have a lot of love. and my parents were very strict growing up. my mom, i think, was a little too strict.

made me rebel. >> do you think you were? >> yes, do i. >> deliberately, do you think? >> well, it was my first child and i thought, this is, you know, my little china cup. and i didn't want it to break. and i think i was probably too overbearing and strict and that's why she would start to sneak out. >> and the rest is history. >> uh-huh. >> paris, when we come back, i want to talk to you about your very good friend, michael jackson. the count on chevy event is here. turn it up in a malibu. 33 mpg, over 500 highway miles a tank. one of our 9 models over 30 mpg highway. fuel up, rock on. very well qualified lessees can get a low mileage lease on a chevy malibu ls for around $179 a month.

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back with the hiltons. kathy, this is fascinating. a lot of people claim to have known michael jackson. you actually went to high school with michael jackson. you stayed close friends with him right until the end of his life. and you've never really spoken about it much in public, not that i can see. tell me about your relationship with him. >> we met when i was 13 and he was 14. and developed a friendship and a bond throughout the years. and we always kept in touch.

then when i moved to new york, and he would come and we'd always go to his concerts. you know, we started with -- we used to make prank phone calls together. we really -- we were little kids. we had a really great time. and then he came and visited when paris was born. and then he ended up living at the waldorf -- >> so he was there when paris was born -- >> a few months old. so he ended up moving into the waldorf for six months when we were living there for eight years. and right before he died, he was at the bel air hotel where we were living while we were renovating our home. so, he was there about three or four months, so we got to spend, you know, great time and -- >> we talk about misconceptions of paris, what were the misconceptions of michael, do you think? >> well, there was not a kinder, more generous, loving, sweet,

smart -- i can't -- the most wonderful father. at the bel air he did not have any nanny at all. when i'd go to pick up the kids to take them somewhere, he'd be brushing their hair and buttoning up the sweater and just so warm and wonderful. i just -- i love him. his whole family, they're really wonderful, beautiful family. >> where were you when you heard he'd died? >> i had just come back to the hotel. >> how did you hear the news? >> my assistant told me. and i literally fell on the floor. my sister came and picked me up and we went directly to the house. because i thought the children would be there. >> did you go to the hospital when you -- >> yes. >> what was the scene there? >> just the children and mrs. jackson and all the brothers and sisters.

just everybody was in this room. and just crying and hugging each other. and just in a days. and this is a father that was so with his children. he's dedicated since they were born to raising and being with them. and then latoya and randy took me in to say good-bye. i think -- if i hadn't -- i would never quite in my head believe, because even though he's a friend who is such a powerful person -- >> was he still alive when you said good-bye to him? >> no. huh-uh. >> did you say anything in. >> yes. >> what did you say? >> i rubbed his head and his arms and his legs and his feet and i just -- and i told him i love him so much. and, you know, whispered some funny things to him.

that was it. >> incredibly sad end to his life, wasn't it? >> and he was so fabulous at the hotel. up early every morning, playing with the kids. really shocking. >> paris, did you know michael well? >> yeah, i grew up just -- my mom -- i remember the first -- one of the first memories i have of him is when my mom took us to the music video set of "thriller" and we have the pictures still. and i just always loved him. we used to go to his concerts and he would bring my sister and i on stage, and we would sing up there. i just always loved him so much. he was -- >> he said to me, kathy, i'd like to go see paris. i said, well, she's out of town. well, i'd like to see her recording studio. i said, okay. all right. and i said, just jump in the

car. it was like 8:30 at night. i said, we don't have to get any security right now. let's just go. rick will drive, you jump in the back. and so the kids came and we all went up and we were there at paris'. and he loves to look at everything. so, he's looking at all the pictures on the walls. he loves art. and in her closet and then at all her collections of pin oak yeah and tickerbell and all that. and he said, she reminds me -- she's -- she's -- i don't remember what did he say? something like, she reminds me sometimes a little of the way certain things i like. he loved the gold and the frames. >> we took him to the studio. >> we took him in the studio. and he got to see everything. >> he was an extraordinary talent, wasn't he? and he god parent of one of his

children. how did you feel? >> i was honored. >> latoya will tell you the story. when we were younger, we all would say that whoever has the first girl is going to name her paris. and i have the first girl. so, i got to do it first. and then when hehood-h his daughter -- >> have you seen the children much since he died? >> i saw them a couple weeks ago. i went out and had dinner and i can't believe how big they are. we went over there about three weeks ago. >> have they been well looked after? >> oh, are you kidding? >> by michael's mom. >> they're at a new house and mrs. jackson is there. they have an incredible, beautiful home, great security. and we had a big family dinner. they went up and did their homework and came down and showed grandma. had their bath and, you know,

said good knighnight, grandma, e you. it was great to see them. >> there's a kind of feeling, i guess because of the impending court actions involving the doctor and his death and everything else, that he'd become sort of pat thhetic character, addicted to these medication. is that an inaccurate portrayal? >> i can tell you when he was at the bel air hotel, there wasn't -- there was none of that, because he was right underneath where i was. and we talked all the time. in fact, if we were going somewhere in the daytime, he'd say, 1:00 down at the fountain. and if i was five minutes late -- i mean, he was very on top of it and he was with his kids. i -- i believe in my heart that as he got into the concert thing, it was hard for him to sleep probably. he was not a drug addict. he had a problem going to sleep. i mean, this is not somebody

that recreationally would abuse something. i guess the levels went up and up and up. >> what do think his legacy will be, michael jackson? >> i think now that he's gone, everybody realizes what a good person -- all the wonderful things he's done for charity. and it's interesting that we don't hear -- well, i won't get into any of that, but just -- he's left three beautiful children. >> who will be his legacy, i think. >> absolutely. >> going to take a little break. when we come back, paris, i want to talk to you about your business empire. let's get to the nuts and bolts of how you ended up so stinking rich. membership rewards points from american express. the social currency. ♪

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stationery, belding. i just launched my 11th fragrance. >> what kind of volume do these sell, these things. >> um. >> do you know, do you keep a handle on them? >> i don't think you know that part. i don't like to discuss money. >> why? >> something my mom always taught me. sounds obnoxious when i do that. >> some recent thing i just read said you make $10 million a year. would i imagine it's more than that, isn't it? >> yes. >> don't talk about money or politics. >> is it a lot more? >> i do very well for myself. i'm very proud of what i've done. >> don't talk money or politics, your mother says. >> both. >> that's extraordinary. you're making jut this absurd amount of money. >> i feel really proud of what i've accomplished. >> what is brand paris? if you were pitching it to me, what is it? what do you personify? >> fashion, fun, excitement and

amazing products. i really am passionate about every single thing i do and i real believe in everything and work really hard to achieve all of this. >> do you know what you're worth? i mean, do you keep a close eye on the money? >> she does. little cheapy cheapskates here. >> yeah, you do? >> down to every -- what's this? what's this? >> well, i don't like to be taken advantage of it. i think people when they think you have money they like to take advantage and i don't let that happen. >> wants me to do her dirty work. mom, you've got to call her and trust her. >> how do you trust men, given what happened before and what we discussed earlier? i guess when i got married i had signed a paper, i'd be worth a lot of money. i mean, how do you trust men? >> it's about someone who has their own thing going on, and i know my boyfriend now loves me

for me. >> sy wade, you've been with him for a couple of years? >> over a year now. >> is this true love? >> i've never been happier. he just makes me feel so safe and so loyal. he's my best friend. an incredible man. i think i'm wedding. think we may be seeing real wedding bells here? >> we'll see what happens. we'll see what the future holds. >> can you imagine, you know, being 35 and not married? >> um, you know, i'd love to have a family and children in the next couple of years, definitely. i'm just right now i'm so busy with traveling that i wouldn't have time for a family right now. >> do you think he's one? >> i do. i couldn't imagine myself with anyone else. >> kathy, what do you think? you've seen them all come and go? >> i think he is such a special, sweet, loving person, he really is. >> tell me about the projects you've both got going now.

this is your chance for an utterly shameless plug now because you've earned your ticket on this interview. >> i am working right now on a ready-to-wear clothing line, cocktail dresses and kind of occasion wear, party dresses, but not breaking the bank. you know, beautiful. >> affordable beauty. >> affordable beauty, really lovely, beautiful, you know, dresses and all different age ranges. >> paris? what 37,000 things are you up to? >> all my products and opening my own hotels and beach clubs. >> seriously? >> mm-hmm. >> where? >> around the world. i can't say where yet because it's a surprise but within the next few months i'll be announcing. >> you're kind of becoming the female donald trump, aren't you? is that the game plan? >> i think donald -- donald is a friend, you know. i look up to him as a baseman.

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