body, and malaria has always been a huge killner that part of the this world, so it's this evolutionary adaptation. but that same thing can lead to this debilitating disease. it was really great to talk to tionne. thanks for being with us. time to get you back in the cnn "newsroom" and tj homes for a check of your top stories making news now. good saturday morning. faith is now being talked about once again in the race for the white house. a mega church pastor says mitt romney as long as to a cult. but calling mormonism a cult is actually nothing new. we'll explain and get into this controversy. also new this morning, the first two weeks of the nba season looks like they are going to be cancelled after owners issued an ultimatum to the players. also, men. we've been told for years to get screened for prostate cancer. now an influential panel is

about to recommend that we do just the opposite. what? we have a doctor on hand to answer the many questions i know you have. this is your cnn saturday morning, 8:00 a.m. here in atlanta, 7:00 a.m. in fayetteville, arkansas. 5:00 in los angeles. wherever you may be, we are glad you are here with us. let's start with the texas pastor, shall we? creating a bit of of a stir that that conservative values voter summit in washington. he's a rick perry supporter and encouraging republicans not to nominate mitt romney. because of romney's mormon beliefs. our jim acosta caught up with this pastor and asked him what do you say to those voters who think mormonism shouldn't be an issue? >> the southern baptist convention, which is the largest protestant denomination in the world has officially labeled mormonism as a cult. i think that mitt romney is a good, moral man, but i think those of us who are born-again followers of christ should always prefer a confident christian to a confident

nonchristian like mitt romney. >> and our jim acosta who was talking to the pastor there joins me now from the values voters summit in d.c. jim, can we start with giving our viewers some perspective about who pastor jeff jeffers is? this isn't just some guy. >> no, he has a very large mega church in downtown dallas, first baptist church of dallas, part of the southern baptist convention, which is a very large group of evangelical christians. millions of evangelical christians, an important part of the republican party. and, you know, we were trying to get to the bottom of why pastor jeffers said this, when he said it. just to walk us back a little it and explain how this unfolded, tj, dr. jeffers gave the introductory remarks for rick perry yesterday here at the value voters summit. and it was after that speak that pastor jeffers came out and talked to reporters and reporters peppered him with questions about some comments that he made during those

introductory remarks, that he basically said that voters should go with a true christian in his mind, and rick perry, rather than somebody who is just a decent person. he was sort of really -- he was really sort of allude to go mitt romney there, and reporters asked him about it and that's when he started to say in his view mormonism is a cult and republicans are better off voting for somebody like rick perry who is a protestant christian. so we asked him about all of this during an interview yesterday on "the situation room" and pastor jeffers stuck to his guns. he said, look, there are many evangelical republicans going into the voting booth saying they're going to vote for mitt romney but they may not do that when they pull the curtain behind them. this is another test for mitt romney in this campaign. he thought he put all of this to rest, tj back in 2008, and the question of his faith has come up again. the romney campaign did not put out a statement last night. they had no comment on this. rick perry, who is campaigning out in iowa, he was asked about it. and he said that, no, he does

not believe mormonism is a cult. and there are some questions as to why -- as to how pastor jeffers got to be in this role of introducing rick perry, the perry campaign initially said that the pastor was picked by the organizers to introduce governor perry at this event. we then talked to the family research council, which is sponsoring this event. they said, yes, we picked this pastor, but we ran it past the perry campaign, and they said it was okay. and this pastor's views on mormonism have been known for a very long time. so there's a lot of information there, tj. i tried to get it all out there. it's a subject that makes a lot of people uncomfortable. faith in an election year is not something people want to talk about. but evangelical california christian republicans say this is very important to them. >> jim acosta in d.c., we'll check in throughout the morning. thank you very much. as we have been saying this morning, not the first time that we have heard someone refer to mormonism as a cult. certainly not the first time romney has heard it, not the first time he has come under attack for his religious believes.

he went through the same thing four years ago, similar criticism when he ran for the republican presidential nomination then. even ran into uncomfortable moments on the campaign trail, just trying to introduce himself to voters. do you remember this? >> hello, sir. how are you? >> i'm one person who will not vote for a mormon. >> oh, is that right? can i shake your hand anyway? >> no. >> again, a lot of this has to do -- people don't know a whole lot about mormonism, so the church of jesus christ of latter day saints was founded by a farmer named joseph smith in the early 1800s. he says an angel guided him to a hill in new york state. there, church doctrine says that smith found golden tablets detailing how christ visited an ancient civilization in the americas. those tablets are the basis for the book of mormon. smith claimed he saw god and christ in the flesh on a hill in p palmira, new york. his followers fled persecution, settling out west in what became

utah. they are considered prophets and apostles of god. mormons believe in christ and god and consider themselves christians. pastor jeffers is backing governor perry and he says he would not want republicans to nominate romney because of his mormon faith. so a recent cnn wmur poll undercuts the premise, maybe. take a look at how likely republican primary voters answered the question of, do you think the country is ready to elect a mormon president? 61% said yes. 25% no. the poll was conducted from september 26th to this past thursday. as a sampling error of plus or minus 6 percentage points. while we're hearing fresh from the president this morning, he is pushing once again hard for his jobs bill in his weekly address. he's accusing the republicans of creating political gridlock. >> this is not the time for the usual games or political gridlock in washington. so any senator out there who is thinking about voting against this jobs bill needs to explain why they would oppose something that we know would improve our economic situation.

if the republicans in congress think they have a better plan for creating jobs right now, they should prove it. because one of the same independent economists who looked at our plan just said that their ideas, quote, wouldn't mean much for the economy in the near-term. >> and south dakota's republican senator john thune had a response. he knocked down the president's jobs plan in the gop weekly address. listen. >> president obama's policies are damaging our economy. and his appropriated solutions are not serious. it's nothing but a rehash of the same failed ideas he has already tried, combined with a huge tax increase. this is a cynical political ploy that's designed not to create jobs for struggling americans, but to save the president's own job. >> thune went on to say that fewer government regulations and tax reform will get more americans working and the economy moving in the right direction. seven minutes past the hour. let's turn to the story out of kansas city and the search for a missing 10-month-old goes on. has intensified, even.

fbi agents searched a local landfill friday for lisa irwin. deborah bradley, the baby's mother, says police told her she failed a voluntary lie detector test. police also say that both parents have stopped talking to detectives. they say that's not true, though, at least the parents say that. and they're doing everything possible to find their baby. >> she's everything. she's our little girl. she has completed our family. and she means everything to my boys. and we -- we need her home. i can't -- i can't be without her. >> the parents say they last saw lisa irwin monday night when they put her to bed. we'll turn to some other news. this is what we are getting overnight. that looks like the nba season is not going to start on time. in fact, it looks like the first two weeks are going to be cancelled. espn reporting sources are telling them that the nba players' association and owners could not agree on conditions

for a meeting this weekend. you're hearing me right. they couldn't even agree on how to meet to talk about a deal. so the nba commissioner says if negotiations to end the lockout can't be made by monday, if no room or no movement can be made, he'll cancel the first two weeks of the season that is set to begin november 1st. a spokesman for the nba issued a statement saying we told the union today that we were willing to meet as early as sunday. we also advised them that we were unwilling to move above the 50/50 split of revenues that were discussed between the parties on tuesday, but that we wanted to meet with them to discuss the remaining issues. the union declined. meanwhile, some wnba news. the season wrapped up last night. the lynx of minnesota, the 2011 nba champions. they beat the dream, 78-67 to complete a sweep, minnesota's first wnba title. second time in a row atlanta has been swept in the titles.

reynolds, always next year. >> that's true. there's one thing worse than not actually -- getting swept. and that is not making it at all. at least they got the two years in a row, so they got that going for them. it has been a very tough year in parts of texas where they have had very little rainfall, big issues with drought. but now we're seeing things change dramatically, possibly flash flooding, especially in amarillo and lubbock, but may be more than what they might need in some places. we'll look at that coming up and your travel weather forecast. >> thank you, reynolds. we'll talk to you shortly. ten minutes past the hour now. take a look at your screen. we have all seen race car crashes. this one might look typical in a lot of ways. but there is something going on right there that is a little different. and that is this morning's hero. we want to introduce you to. stick around for that. and we want to say happy birthday to the reverend joseph lowry turned 90 years old this week. and you wouldn't believe some of the gifts he's been getting. stay with us. we're back in 60 seconds.

11 minutes past the hour. now we look at some of the stories making news cross-country. we start in ohio where several sheriffs confirm they are investigating a string of home invasions targeting people of the amish faith. the attacks are allegedly carried out by other amish. investigators believe this is some sort of feud and accusations that the culprits are cutting off the beards and hair of others to demean them. also in california, federal attorneys warn state-monitored medical marijuana dispensaries, they'll be watching them very closely. prosecutors say they will be cracking down on store fronts that consider pot for profit operations. california and 15 other states have legalized medical marijuana in direct conflict with federal law. and also in california, apple co founder steve jobs was laid to rest friday in a small,

private service near palo alto. the 56-year-old tech visionary had been battling pancreatic cancer for several years. jobs was 56 years old. civil rights leader icon, really, man known as the dean of the civil rights movement, reverend joseph lowry just turned 90 years old. but the celebration is going to continue. soledad o'brien taking part in sunday's presentation of his words, our gift, a musical and theatrical experience celebrating his life and work. you may recall late last model at that airlines gave him a heck of a gift. named a plane in his honor. and later this morning, we get to have reverend lowery in studio with us live to talk about how it feels to be 90 years old. we'll also get into presidential politics and also why he says there needs to be a civil rights movement led by me. you heard that correctly.

we'll get into that with reverend lowery. he joins us in the 10:00 hour here live in studio. also, benefit rain expected today in texas and oklahoma. but it may be too much of a good thing and way too late, according to our reynolds wolf. he'll have the details after the break. also this morning, somebody i want to introduce you to. who saved the man who was in that burning car. stay with us on this cnn saturday morning. my name's jeff. i'm a dad, coach... and i quit smoking with chantix. knowing that i could smoke during the first week

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quarter past the hour now and kip hughes. you know kip, right? you're about to know kip hughes, because of something he did. the story starts with this. >> seven years of announcing, that is the worst one i have ever seen. >> you hear the announcer pretty worked up. and this is what he is worked up about. this crash took place moments before you heard that announcement. and this is at a stock car race. the stock car nationals in oklahoma. you see, one of the stock cars there gets on its side. it's on fire there. several people tried to get in there and pull the driver out. and they're not able to. and then, here comes another guy, kip hughes, the aforementioned. he's the one in the helmet. and he pulls and tugs and keeps pulling -- keeps pulling until he's able to get the driver out. flames were apparently hitting his helmet while all of this was going on. hughes said he stopped his car, jumped into action, and while all this was going on, his mind

was on something that happened 20 years ago. >> you know, i was a little boy in the stands, whatever -- you know, the wreck happened with my father. and you know, i know that that guy had family in the stands, just like everybody else did that was there. and i just wanted to make sure that, you know, nothing happened bad -- they didn't have to go through what my family had to go through. >> now, the driver that kip hughes rescued had burns to his back, had had some back pain. but apparently he's doing okay. kip hughes is the defending champion of that particular event. but some fascinating video. and it's amazing to see these stories. you just don't know what people -- where they get it. they just jump into action. what comes over them? and they just jump into action and do things like that. put themselves at risk. >> it's unbelievable. we bandy around the term "hero" all of the time. and you know, there are really very few heroes. the true definition of a hero is someone who goes and helps someone else in a very dangerous situation with no regard for their own personal safety. this fits the bill.

this is amazing. he didn't have to do this. just went in there, where he had seriously a potentially explosive situation is just insane. and he said that the original driver in the accident had minor burns? >> minor burns on his hand and a little back pain. but other than that, he's going to be okay. >> wow. unbelievable. >> unbelievable. tj, people in texas are feeling an entirely different type of pain. they've been feeling it for months and months and months. we're talking about the drought. we're going to see a big change in the weather. heavy rain, possibly flooding. flooding happening as we speak. let's go right to our weather maps first. but before we get to that, let's show you something on the entirely different end of the spectrum. atlanta is beautiful. the view is tremendous. the skyline, a little touch of clouds here and there. farther south into florida, it switches from clouds to heavier cloud cover and then rain. but first, texas. let's go right to it. again, a long storm system, extends from the northern plains, in fact, almost into the western great lakes. clear down into texas. right along the i-20 corridor

back into mid land, dry areas there that have been parched. of course, the very dry rocky soil, thatca leechy is what they refer to it as. in the rockies, snow, we have that freezing air with the moisture. we can expecting to see that through a good part of the weekend. some places, especially in the highest elevations, dealing with a foot of rainfall or rather snowfall before the weekend is out. the big weather maker is this frontal boundary that extends from the u.s./canadian border clear to the four corners. we'll see the low lift more into the central plains and southern plains eventually late sunday. but still fairly nice conditions for much of the northeast. we're going to talk about more of your high temperatures soon, what to expect through the weekend. but first back to you, t skr. >> thank you, so much. 19 minutes past the hour now. and michael jackson's final moments. jurors are hearing what his personal doctor said happened in a tape recording. >> i continued the cpr and mouth

to mouth resuscitation until the paramedics came. they tookd him up to the pulse owe simter. he was not breathing. >> we'll have more of what the police interview with dr. conrad murray revealed. that's next. also, this. >> it's almost starting over again from day one. >> that's marlin jackson talking about a concert in michael jackson's honor taking place today. also painful, because it's divided the jackson family. some are calling it inappropriate. we'll tell you why, after the break. ♪ when your chain of supply ♪ goes from here to shanghai, that's logistics. ♪ ♪ chips from here, boards from there ♪ ♪ track it all through the air, that's logistics. ♪ ♪ clearing customs like that ♪ hurry up no time flat that's logistics. ♪ ♪ all new technology ups brings to me, ♪

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23 minutes past the hour on this cnn "saturday morning." and michael jackson begged for his, quote, milk? that apparently the pop star's nickname for propofol, one detail that emerged as jurors listened to michael jackson's doctor recount jackson's final hours. ted rowlands from l.a. >> tj, the murder trial ended the week with riveting testimony from conrad murray, via an audiotape the jury listened as murray talked to investigators. and this was done just two days after michael jackson died. he talked about the fact that when he came on board to take care of michael jackson, he found out he would be giving him propofol on a daily basis. he said each and every night, he put michael jackson to sleep using propofol. except, he said, for the three days leading up to jackson's death. he said he was trying to wean him off of propofol, and that

was the only time that he didn't give it to him. listen carefully as murray tells investigators what happened during those crucial minutes where jackson was unresponsive. >> i came back to his bedside, and in the sense that he wasn't breathing. immediately i felt for a pulse. and i was able to get a pulse in the femoral region. his body was warm. there was no change in color. i then lifted his leg, which can give you an auto transfusion. and then i proceeded to cpr and mouth-to-mouth resuscitation until the paramedics came. the paramedics came, they called ucla, they hooked him up to the pulse objectiwe oximeter.

he wasn't breathing. >> he never mentions any of the telephone calls that we've already heard in court. phone calls to his girlfriends and to his office staff during those critical periods. it's something that the defense will have to grapple with in closing arguments. looking forward to next week, what we're looking at is monday is a dark day. there is no court at all. and on tuesday, we'll hear the tail end of this audiotape. it's about a two-hour-long tape. we've got through about an hour and 40 minutes. so we'll finish that up and then it will be cross-examination time of the detective that's on the stand. tj? >> thanks to our ted rowlands. meanwhile, the memorial concert for michael jackson today in britain has divided the jackson family. it has the support of jackson's mother, as well as his brothers, teato, marlin and jackie, all performing together. la toya jackson also scheduled to perform. but jermaine and randy jackson, they are staying away, calling the concert inappropriate because of the timing. they say it shouldn't be going on while the manslaughter trial

of dr. conrad murray is going on in l.a. >> we have such a large family, that we have half of the family still attending the trial while this part of the family is going to pay tribute to michael. i was there completely every day last week, and after this show is over, i will be back and when i need a break, i have to take a day or two off, because it's very difficult. sitting through that whole thing. >> i think there's no such thing as the timing is appropriate for it. because what we're doing is, we are remembering the brighter side of other brother. and that's a memory that we hold inside of us, a joyful moment for us. and so that's the way i look at it. i mean, i respect all of the people who are not participating. i respect their right. jts the concert has been to go ahead by ticket sales and acts. including the black-eyed peas have pulled out. as we get closer to the bottom of the hour, do you remember? of course you'll remember this announcement from president bush.

>> good afternoon. on my orders, the united states' military has begun strikes against al qaeda terrorist training camps and military installations of the taliban regime in afghanistan. >> the bombing started, and a decade-long war followed. the toll now on u.s. troops. that's still to come this morning. also ahead, the occupy wall street protest spreading to a number of other cities. you might still have the question, exactly who are these people, and exactly what do they want? well, i have three of them here with me in studio, and they'll tell you for themselves. stay with me. we asked total strangers to watch it for us. thank you so much, i appreciate it, i'll be right back. they didn't take a dime. how much in fees does your bank take to watch your money ?

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landfill for the second time friday. deborah badly is the baby's mother. police say she failed a voluntary lie detector test. investigators are saying both parents have stopped cooperating with police. parents, though, say that is not true. and the gop presidential hopeful mitt romney, his faith coming under fire from a conservative baptist preacher who is suggesting romney's ties to the mormon church may turn off evangelical voters. robert jeffers of dallas goes further saying mormonism is a cult and that romney is not a christian. jeffers made the comments when talking to reporters at the values voter summit in washington. and congratulations to the minnesota lynx, this year's wnba champio champions, first title in minnesota's history. they swept the dream last night to clinch the title. it's the second time in rowland at that has been swept in the finals. like i mentioned we are just past the bottom of the hour now and we are now entering a second decade of war in afghanistan.

ten years ago, it all began with this announcement from president bush. >> good afternoon. on my orders, the united states' military has begun strikes against al qaeda terrorist training camps, and military installations of the taliban regime in afghanistan. >> this was the scene as the first bombs fell on afghanistan. and since then, 2,700 nato service members have been killed. 1,000 of them -- excuse me, 1,780 of them americans. our nick pay ton walsh traveled to afghanistan where it all began. nick joins me now from kabul. and you're getting a better understandinging of the toll, nick, after these ten years. >> absolutely. ten years is for many people quite hard to understand, to recall what you were doing that long ago. but for many american soldiers, it's been a case of multiple

tours. three, four, five tours here, and in iraq. and we got a glimpse of some of the emotional exhaustion that's caused. it began when they landed in bagram and here it goes on. >> our father, who art in heaven -- >> reporter: ten years of jet fuel, faith and now fatigue. here, you can see what it takes to carry on through this decade's wars. lieutenant colonel eric albertson is chaplain to thousands, but in his several months here, affected by the very few. >> a number of our soldiers are on their third, fourth, some cases their fifth tour. there is a fatigue factor. emotionally drained, physically tired. we've had instances where soldiers have taken their own lives here. and that's tragic. we have had about six or seven since i've been here. when someone takes their own life, there's almost a sense of,

you know, you've reached out to me for everything else. why didn't you reach out to me for this? >> reporter: the ripples of a suicide reach far. mass sergeant glad lup tratsman is in this war so her three sons won't be. her three tours marred by the recent loss of a friend in iraq. >> it was actually -- she overdosed. and, like, she was younger than me. so i didn't -- i thought she had a lot to live for. i don't know why it happened. i wasn't necessarily talking with her frequently at that time. but it -- it hurt me a lot. and -- >> reporter: how? >> how? because i knew her. i knew what some of her dreams were. and now show she didn't get to live those dreams. it's like it ended. >> reporter: this was a dirt road a decade ago. now it's home to one in nine of

america's troops in afghanistan. when the americans landed here ten years ago, it was on this russian-made runway and now they've been here nearly a year longer than the soviets. the cost to the soviets, huge. the total cost to america, still unknown. although signs of sadness and change are everywhere. the prison here now gone. it's afghan prisoners elsewhere. soon, troops will leave for good, but it will carry away with them the scars of here and iraq. >> what i do every year is i call the family, either the spouse or the parents of the individual that has been associated with me that was lost in combat. and then i also call a very close friend of mine that was injured, severely injured, on the day that that occurred. like i said, i make three calls a year -- actually, four. i'm sorry, four calls a year, to

family members. i wouldn't say it makes me feel good or bad. i just think it's something that i need to do. >> reporter: the closing stages of a war longer than anything america has ever coped with before. i should point out, despite the obviously emotional exhaustion, the challenges the insurgency presents, and also frankly, the collapse in some domestic support for this conflict, you still see from these american soldiers great enthusiasm and energy for the task ahead. tj? >> nick, on that point, the former coalition commander, stanley mcchrystal said last week that the job is only 50% done to this point. you just talked about enthusiasm and excitement for the mission there. did you find anyone who agrees with mcchrystal's assessment? >> reporter: i think it's difficult for many of the troops here. they know that support for this and finance for this war is plummeting back home in the united states. general mcchrystal known for his

candor, as you recall. he lost his job from him and his team being to can date in" stone maeg". perhaps another ten years necessary to complete america's goals. soldiers here will find that also hard to hear. particularly given that even when the surge starts to withdraw, the end of next year, there will still be 68,000 americans here. >> nick walsh for us in kabul this morning. thank you. a toll of war tough for both u.s. troops and their families. but you can impact their world. you can help them out. go to cnn.com/impact your world and learn how to honor those killed in action tore ways to help their families survive. take a look. also, you've been seeing these protests pop up all around the country. they are fed up with the big banks, fed up with wall street. >> 99% and so are you. we are the 99%! >> the occupy wall street

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all right. about 42 minutes past the hour now. and they are fed up with corporate greed, bank bailouts, unemployment situation. you know the name by now. the occupy wall street protesters. the movement started in new york's financial district, near the stock exchange. after more than three weeks now, the protests are spreading all over the country. >> this is what democracy looks like! >> now, many of them, clearly by some of the pictures we have been seeing in the protest are young people. many of them say they're unemployed, all of them not exactly happy with the situation in the country on wall street. maybe in washington, as well. take a look where protests have been going on for the past several weeks now from the northeast to the west coast. we're talking about a dozen

states here. even protests in atlanta. on friday, a lot of people, still, though, have questions about the movement. still asking exactly who these folks are, and exactly what they want. so instead of us trying to explain it to you, we'll let them do it. i've got two -- three of the protesters here with me this morning. jim nichols is with me. he's in the middle there. also have john reynolds on the end to his right, and then crystal wittenburg all in the occupy atlanta protest. i'm going to hear from each of you. crystal, i'll start with you. 26 years old. is that right. and tell me what you do for a living right now? are you employed? >> no, i'm not employed. i'm currently going to school at le core done bleu. i'm 26 years old, i'm an army veteran. >> all right. >> and right now i'm working with the logistics group. >> all right. let me turn now to jim. 31 years old. >> yes, sir. >> and what do you do right now?

>> i load trucks for u.p.s. and also getting a degree at georgia state. >> and on the end, tell us what you do. >> i'm a photo journalist, media maker, musician and a technologist. >> okay. now, it sounds like you all clearly have things going on that you're juggling in your lives. crystal, let me start with you. what got you out in the streets? >> my friend from -- i was part of the "we are the change, atlanta." and he found out about the occupy atlanta group general assembly. and we actually went to the second meeting and that's how i got involved with occupy atlanta. >> that's how you got involved. but i guess tell me, and either of you can jump in. what is it that actually motivated you? you heard about it, maybe wanted to go check it out. but what is it that made you want to go out in the streets to say whatever it is you're wanting to say right now? >> i think -- this is something that's resonating across the country.

is social and economic inequality has hit a tipping point. and people are hungry for getting involved and trying to do something to change it. when nine out of ten races in politics it won by the candidate with the most money. one out of four in atlanta right now are in poverty, a 21% increase since the recession started. people are struggling. it's almost like a -- i want the american dream back movement. >> john, what do you do to change it, though? you've got our attention. we've got you here. we've been covering the protests. now what? >> i think the first step is acknowledgment. i mean, people coming together in unity, acknowledging these issues and saying we have to be more progressive, morin gentlemen knew active about coming up with solutions. >> is it all right -- because some people say you all -- i say you all, the protesters are all over the place. and you're not talking to every protest group in the country right now. but you say you don't have a list of almost specific demands

or even solutions. what do you respond to those people who think you should have a solution in hand versus just maybe complaining about a system. anybody answer. >> i think that any time you have inequalities that resonate from a grass roots movement that's resonating from the bottom, the democratic process is messy. and it's different groups coming together. people -- i've been talking to people who have never been involved in politics before, who are just learning how to organize. you want to go out and organize your neighborhoods. i've talked to a woman who wants to occupy her school board. and i asked her what that meant. and she said, i'm inviting my school board member to my house. i'm going to invite my neighbors over. that's -- that's what occupy is about. of that's what people are standing up and getting involved. >> all right. we're at 46 past the hour. i'm going to come back with them after the break. and a question i want to ask them is what actually will it take for the protests to stop? what would it take for you all to actually go home, if you will? quick break.

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as we get ten to the top of the hour, back now with some of the occupy atlanta folks from the protesters, part of the occupy wall street movement that's been spreading across the country. and as i said, i was going to ask a question about what would it take? and this is a question for you, crystal. what would it take for you to stop going out in the streets to

protest and go home? >> well, the system to be fixed. we, the people, want our voices. >> see, a lot of people have this question. you want the system fixed. but what is that system going to look like? i mean, that's a very general statement there. but a lot of people have that question. what is a fixed system? >> i'll speak to that. i don't think anyone can have an answer for what a fixed system is. we only have -- as humans, we have ideals to aspire to. we have something to rise to the occasion. and that's what we're trying to do. instead of being appear lettic, instead of sitting at home, instead of moaning and complaining about the problems at hand, we're saying we're going to come together, we're going to talk about it, because it's that bad, and it's time we come together and unite and make our voices heard. until our voices are so loud that everyone hears us and we cannot be ignored. >> you hear our voices, but i guess let me come back to you here, jim. we hear the voices, but how do you put that into action in such

a way that you see what -- you want to sit down with lawmakers. do you want a meeting at the white house? do you want -- what is it that would look like that progress? >> people are going to, as they get involved in this movement, find their own place. they're going to network with friends, neighbors. they're going to get involved in their union. they're going to get involved in different groups. and it's from these social relations that are building from this discontent that, you know, some of these people will end up running for office. some of these people will end up, you know, finding avenues that they're able to articulate their voice and feel like they are being heard. >> you expect them to continue to grow? >> definitely. >> we're just getting started, you think? >> if new york is any example, and the occupations that are sprouting up all over the united states, boston, philly, d.c., l.a., san francisco, portland. >> minnesota. >> yes. >> last couple things here.

last few seconds i have here. are you offended by some of the ways you're being characterized? initially, banjo-playing, pot-smoking hippies. clearly not in the group i'm see here. but are you offended being classified that way? >> i'm not offended or surprised. it's typically the role that television and the large media play is a misrepresentation of the public, of the facts, of what's happening. and that's why we have independent media to fulfill the role of being an honest lens for the people. there are live streams online going 24/7 where you can witness actual events and see there are smart people, there are families, all types coming out. >> that's why we had you here, to do the talking on your own, and with the majority leader, eric cantor referred this week to protesters as mobs. now, you already knew what i was about to say. what was your reaction to hearing -- >> that's the same old nonsense that comes from people like cantor. i think this -- when people try

to scoff at any kind of social movement, they're not understanding. they're not involved in what's actually going on on the ground. on the ground, people who oftentimes have never been involved in the process. oftentimes don't know a whole lot about the issues are finally asking questions, finally getting inspired to get involved, and be inspired to participate in the process. and any time that people that are supposed to be sitting back and only being spectators are actually stepping up to the plate and being participants, that scares some people. >> all right. guys, crystal, jim, john. i appreciate you all coming in. and really, wanted to give you all an opportunity to -- i wanted to -- we did. we wanted to make sure -- we got three in here, not just one, because there are so many voices. if we got three more people, they would have different answers from you all. thank you for taking the time and good luck out there. of. >> thank you. come to woodruff park, join us. all of you is! >> cut his mic. no, i'm kidding. thank you for coming many. six minutes to the top of the hour.

and have you heard, the nba, the first two weeks of it, appears going to have to be cancelled. players and owners have not reached a deal. in fact, they can't even agree on how to meet this weekend. quick break. we'll be right back. i love to , and i love to walk outside. osteo bi-flex has really helped my knees. osteo bi-flex has been incredible for me, and i swear by it. [ male announcer ] osteo bi-flex, the glucosamine chondroitin suppment with 5-loxin advanced. shows improvement in joint comfort within 7 days. osteo bi-flex, my knees thank you. [ male announcer ] osteo bi-flex. the #1 doctor and pharmacist recommended brand.

five minutes to the top of the hour. we will not be having nba basketball the first two weeks of the season. espn sources telling them that the nba players association and owners could not agree on conditions for a meeting this weekend. yes, they couldn't even agree on a meeting to talk about a deal. so the nba commissioner says negotiations can't be made, and a deal can't be reached by monday, he'll have to cancel the first two weeks of the season. so it looks like that is imminent. spokesman for the nba issued a statement saying, we told the union that we were willing to meet as early as sunday. we also advised them we were unwilling to move above the 50/50 split of revenues that was discussed between the parties on tuesday. but that we wanted to meet with them to discuss the many remaining open issues.

the union declined. there you have it, folks. that is it. the players and owners keep going back and forth, but people who depend on them for a paycheck are now caught in the middle. we are talking about people like the vendors, the restaurant owners, anyone who makes a living off the nba season is about to start losing money. >> it's always a disappointment. any time that we can't fill seats at philips arena or the dome or anywhere else. so it's certainly an issue. >> we always try to make sure we have a good showing of conventioneers to come to the restaurant. but as far as filling the void for fill he says arena, there is pretty much nothing we can do. our hands are tied when it comes to that. >> all right. our friend from hln sports joe carter with me now. people might not understand, 50/50 sounds like a good deal. not to the players. >> no, and not to the owners. the owners want 3 more percent in this deal, basketball-related income. with each percent comes $40 million.

so if you add that up, 3%, it's about $120 million. if you multiply that by let's say a collective bargaining agreement, that would be ten years long, much like the nfl just signed, you're looking at about $1.2 billion. that they're off on right now. they're disagreeing. the owners say we want $1.2 billion more, the players saying we $1.2 billion more. they may sound close, they're nowhere near close. you can't come to an agreement if you don't talk about it. if the agreement doesn't get -- if they don't start talking by monday, we'll see games get cancelled and that's almost imminent. >> all right. so the 50/50, that's a lot closer than they were, but still a long way apart it appears. but baseball fans are happy, even if basketball fans aren't right now. >> good baseball last night, good for the st. louis cardinals going against the phillies, best pitching staff out there, the favorite to win it all in vegas. that doesn't matter now because their season is over.

chris carpenter was incredible last night. starting pitcher for the cardinals. he was absolutely brilliant, complete game shutout and now a team that looked dead in the water back in august is one series away from going to the world series. good for carter. another decisive game in milwaukee. >> >> this is one i got stuck. i could not go to bed. >> this was great, niger morgan, bottom of the tenth, drove in the winning run, the walk-off run. milwaukee has had their struggles over the year, haven't won a series in 29 years. certainly a good time to be a wisconsin fan. you've got the brewers that are hot right now, the packers undefeated, badgers undefeated. if you're a wisconsin sports fan right now, you're very excited. >> all right. joe carter with a good look at sports. we are getting close to the top of the hour. reynolds wolf is here with me. >> what's happening? >> not a wisconsin fan. >> yeah. >> you like what the badgers are doing, right? >> i like the badgers, good mascot, great look, good fight

song. you know. normally this is the time of morning where we go into our football forecast. we're not doing that right now. we're doing a bit of congratulations for this man right here. >> all right. >> we'll show you this beautiful screen we have. yes, that's right. we're here to offer congratulations to -- >> oh, my goodness. what is he talking about? >> you are one of the most influential guys on the planet. in fact, number 42 on the list for 2011. >> just thought you might want to, you know -- >> and the only man on television that makes sitting in a little small couch so cool. you make it look so easy. >> took years, man. took years. >> so i always think it was greatness. but now to be part of a list, you have to feel just honored by this. >> i'm trying to move up. >> a little bit? >> i have like eight people that work at cnn ahead of me. so i'm working on getting at them. i'm working my way up. last year i was around 526. so it's been a good year for me. coming up to 42. >> absolutely. well, dude, you may the list. it's good. congratulations again. we already knew you were great,

but this a great reformation. >> quick break. >> he's turning red. look at him. >> i'll continue my influence on the other side of this break. stay with us. >> crimson, man. unbelievable.

well, two minutes past the hour here. you're seeing a live picture of presidential candidate ron paul, the texas congressman, addressing a group of conservative voters there in washington, d.c. this is the values voter summit that's been going on. most of the presidential candidat candidates, if not all, making comments there. herman cain, mitt romney will be up a little later today. a little later this morning, as

well. but ron paul just taking the stage. let's listen in for a quick moment. >> has always been the reaction of the sibling, maybe 1, 2, 3 or 4 years old. i was always fascinated with the intrigue of the sibling looking at a small baby. and i thought, well, that was natural and good. and it really symbolizes what a family is all about. unfortunately, our families have been under attack. and i have a few ideas about why that has occurred, and what we might do about it. but the value of the family was something that was early described in the bible. and there's one reference to the family that i thought was very important. and that was in samuel, first samuel, chapter 8. and this is when the people, not the elders, came to samuel, when he was very old, and they knew he would be passing on. so the people came and said to samuel, what we need is a king. we need a king to take care of

us. we want to be safe and secure. in samuel, although he knew he wasn't going to be around long, he advised the people of israel not to accept the king, because the king, he warned, would not be generous. >> just listening in for a moment there, as he is just getting started at his speech at the values voter summit, a collection of conservatives there, going on the past couple days. most if not all of the republican presidential candidates addressing that forum. we'll see mitt romney address them in just a bit this morning, as well. but it really was yesterday at that values voter summit that a controversy really sparked. because reverend robert jeffers, you might not know the name, but he is an influential person that you're going to be hearing a whole lot more about. he is the head of the first baptist church of dallas. and he calls the stir -- because of something he said about mitt romney. he actually said that mitt romney is a part of a cult. now, our jim acosta is there at

that values voter summit for us. you pick up the story from there, if you would, jim. >> reporter: well, tj, it's a difficult story to tell, because it is so very complicated. but basically, here's how it goes. yesterday, here at the values voter summit, that pastor that you mentioned, robert jeffers from first baptist church of dallas was giving the introductory comments for rick perry. pastor jeffers is an endorser of rick perry, wants to see him elected president. and it was during these introductory comments that pastor jeffers said very interesting. he said, quote, do we want a candidate who is a good moral person or do we want a candidate who is a born-again follower of jesus christ? that was a not so subtle dig at mitt romney. and so when pastor jeffers walked out of the ballroom, he was peppered by reporters with questions about what exactly demean by that? and pastor jeffers did not mince words. he said he believes that mitt romney is not a christian. that he says mitt romney is a mormon and mormonism is part of

a cult, and so therefore republicans should vote for rick perry because he is a christian. now all of this obviously cause the a huge uproar. we asked the perry campaign did you know that pastor jeffers was going to make these comments? they said it was the event organizers who set up pastor jeffers as the introductory speaker. we went to the people who were sponsoring this conference, the family research council, asked them who put this pastor before rick perry and the event organizer said we came up with the pastor, but we ran it past the perry campaign first, and the perry campaign green lighted the pastor. so, you know, there is a bit of a controversy here over how did this pastor come to be the introductory speaker for rick perry. i asked pastor jeffers yesterday about his comments and whether he stands by them. that mitt romney is part of a religion that he considers to be a cult. here's what he had had to say. >> the southern baptist convention, which is the largest protestant denomination in the world, has officially labeled

mormonism as a cult. i think mitt romney is a good moral man. but i think those of us who are born-again followers of christ should always prefer a confident christian to a competent nonchristian like mitt romney. so that's why i'm enthusiastic about rick perry. >> well, what do you say to those voters out there who say that religion, his mormonism, shouldn't be an issue in this campaign. he's just as american as everybody else. >> i agree he's just as american as anyone else. and article 6 of the constitution -- >> and mormons do say they are christians. they say that. they believe in jesus christ. >> a lot of people say they're christians and they're not. but they do not embrace historical christianity i, again, believe that as christians we have the duty to prefer and select christians as our leaders. that's what jon jay, the first chief justice of the supreme court said. and again, i think when we've got a choice as evangelicals, between a rick perry and a mitt romney, i believe evangelicals need to go with rick perry.

>> reporter: and we asked the church of latter day saints, the mormon church for a response to this. they did not give us a comment, they directed us to their website which states that the mormon church does believe in jesus christ, the son of god and their savior. obviously there are evangelical christians who disagree with this. and we even reached out to the romney campaign, because speaking, as you mentioned, within the hour, what their response is to all of this. and they had no comment. governor romney dealt with all of this back in the 2008 campaign, tj. you will remember, he gave a big speech, at texas a&m about his religion. there were comparisons made to the case that john f. kennedy had to make in 1960 about his catholicism and how that would not get in the way of him being president of the united states. mitt romney thought he passed that test back in the 2008 campaign, but it is back all over again for the former governor of massachusetts. tj? >> all right. jim acosta for us at the values voter summit in d.c. and when mitt romney steps up, we'll certainly monitor his

comments this morning. also, take a look at how likely republican primary voters answered the question in a recent cnn wmur poll. is the country ready to elect a mormon president? 61% say yes. 25% say no. the poll was conducted from september 26th to this past thursday and has a sampling margin of plus or minus 6 percentage points. and it wasn't too terribly long ago that republican presidential hopeful herman cain was seeing single digits in the polls and given little regard in his campaign for the white house. that was then. this is now. his political stock has risen significantly in recent gop polls and in friday at that same voters -- values voter summit, cain made fun of the so-called experts. >> three months ago, the pundits -- the political pundits said herman cain can't get the nomination. herman cain cannot win the presidency, because he doesn't

have high-name i.d. he doesn't have aca jill i don't know dollars, and he has never held public office. but let me tell you what the american people are saying. they don't care about a catrillion dollars. america wants to raise some cn! not raise more money. >> cain went on to slam the occupy wall street movement. and said the protesters are anti capitalists. ten minutes past the hour now. how about this for a fitness goal? one man says he wants to run on the surface of the moon. and we don't think he's kidding. meanwhile, let's say good morning once again to our reynolds wolf. >> wow. that's interesting. that's -- that's what you call a tease in broadcasting. >> stick around, reynolds. >> incredible. i definitely will. rain in texas. i know we've gone from the really dry conditions of the summer and now we're making the transition into fall and the rain is going to be coming down like a box of hamburgers. really rough, especially in places like midland and odessa. we're going to talk about that coming up in a few moments, tj.

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and into a nearby pond. the family next to that pond had to be evacuated. crews are working to stop the leak and trying to contain this spill. also, a few years back, you remember jonathan prince ran from l.a. to new orleans to raise money for hurricane katrina victims. well, he's running again. but this time, he wants to run on the moon. he says he wants to do it to raise awareness about space travel. reynolds, do you recommend that? is it possible? can you really run on the moon? >> that whole gravity thing gets kind of crazy. >> it's an issue. >> and getting up there is tough too. really tough. and, you know -- who wants to run -- you need some kind of fuel, and just tang and, you know, food -- do you know what i'm saying? >> i know what you're saying. >> i know you do. totally different thing, going back from the moon to here on earth, really rainy stuff. we've been talking about the heavy rain, especially along the texas panhandle as we zoom in on a few key spots, mainly the i-20 corridor, we're seeing heavy

rain coming through. in fact, everything you see that happens to be in the orange color or even like a yellowish, that's where you have your heavy precipitation, now moving away from odessa and midland. however, with all of the rain that has been falling over the last say several hours, it's finding its way into this dry river bed. so you're going to see again the water spreading away from the banks and flash flooding is also going to be possible in places like an lien before the day is out and we may see these showers reokur through the weekend. back towards denver, denver okay, colorado springs fine, too. but when you get in the rockies, the snow is coming down. if you're a skier and love the snow, happy times for you. not so happy in the sunshine state of florida if you're a tourist hoping to see the parks. you're going to deal with rain from port orange to orlando back to palm bay even as far south as ft. piers. 88 degrees atlanta, 83 new orleans, 87 in houston. 88 in dallas. 44 in denver, the coldest spots in the high elevations in colorado. some places up to a foot.

67 in portland, 69 in san francisco, 77 in washington, d.c. tj, my friend, you are up to speed. that's your forecast. >> thank you. we'll see reynolds shortly. coming up, some important health information after a controversial and now confusing recommendation. men should not get screened for prostate cancer? it seems to go against exactly what we have been told for years and years. but an influential government panel is about to make that recommendation. we'll explain. and we've got a doctor here to tell us exactly what we should do with this information now.

all right. fellas, listen up. and any woman out there who loves some man in your life, you need to listen as well. this is a very important health story. it has some life-saving information now we're about to pass along to you about prostate cancer. because a government panel now saying that the psa blood test, the one that screens for prostate cancer that so many of us have been told we need to make sure we get are being told it's no longer needed for healthy men. an influential government panel says the screenings sometimes do more harm than good. listen to one member of this government task force. >> the common perception that psa based early detection of prostate cancer prolongs lives is not supported by the scientific evidence. the risks are very real. unfortunately, the benefits seem to be from the best science that we have, somewhere between small and none. >> all right. and i'm joined now by dr. holmer

kuchuck with emory university and you say we need to unconfuse people right now. this is very important. so based on these recommendations coming out now, they're saying that this screening we've all been told to get, we don't need it anymore. do you agree with that recommendation? >> well, the recommendation is that screening should not be done. however, we have to put everything into context. prostate cancer is very prevalent, it's the number-one cancer in men, 240,000 men will get prostate cancer this year alone and the numbers will only increase. the numbers will go to 250,000, 260,000 over the foreseeable future. yet 40,000 or more american men will die of prostate cancer every year. so it can be a deadly disease. yet it is easily preventible and when caught early, it is a curable disease. >> okay. but we're told to catch it early by doing this psa testing and this panel is doing us, do away

with the testing. what are we supposed to make of that? >> right. i think first of all, the message is, it is a preventible disease. physical activity, exercise, it's easily preventible. you can cut down the prostate cancer risk by 30%, just by doing 30 minutes of exercise a day and a diet that's rich in vegetables, especially tomato products can prevent prostate cancer. if we can't prevent it, we have to catch it early. it is clear that we can cure the disease if we catch it early. we can only cure it if it's caught early at an early stage and you need to do radiation to cure it. but you have to catch it at an early stage. and the only test we have right now to catch it early is pas test. >> okay. >> until we come up with a better test, i think it is important to continue with testing. and to catch the disease at an early stage when it's still curable. >> okay. doctor, what are people supposed to do? because this is so confusing to them now. and this is certainly personal for me, reynolds, both of us,

father, grandfather, have dealt with prostate con cancer. and now we have this very influential panel telling us don't do the psa testing. so, doctor, how much harm can something like this do, a recommendation, for men who have been told to do this and now they're told not? we still can't make heads or tails of what we're supposed to do. >> right. i think it's important to know that there are populations that are particularly at a high risk for prostate cancer. >> that's for sure, yeah. >> and we need to continue to screen people who have a high risk, who have a family history, who have risk factors like being overweight and lack of physical activity. but i think in general, if you see -- i semen in their 40s and 50s with prostate cancer and dying four or five years later. so it is important to know that you can cure this disease. and men at the age of 40 or 50, if you catch prostate cancer, that man has another potential life span of another 30, 40 years. >> okay. >> so it is important to know

that this disease is not going to wait around for 30, 40 years. it will kill the person within ten years, 15 years. but still, that's a lot of life span lost. >> okay. that recommendation, as we wrap, people -- what do i do now? the recommendation from the american cancer society and even you to do what? >> we still recommend that men over the age of 50 get screened and men at high-risk even start earlier. >> okay. simple as that. dr. kucchuck, we appreciate you so much. important information this morning. we appreciate you coming in. >> thank you. we're close to the bottom of the hour now. did you know we haven't seen a woman get the nobel peace prize since 2004? but this year, not just one woman, but three sharing the award. we'll introduce you to them. next. to digest. it's real milk full of calcium and vitamin d. and tastes simply delicious. for those of us with lactose intolerance... lactaid® milk. the original 100% lactose-free milk.

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