expling a corn field when maid maze when they became disoriented. it was getting dark so they called 911. >> we thought it would be fun and instead it is a nightmare. it is dark and we have a 3 week old baby. >> calm down. your husband's with you, right? >> right. >> the police sent out a k-9 community community and the family was rekused. erin burnett out front starts right now. three teens are charged with first-degree murder. they say conspired with another teen to kill his parents and who was arrested in a foiled terror plot in washington, d.c. we found a man who knew him for 15 years. he comes "out front" exclusively and the bottom line on michele bachmann, the minnesota congresswoman who wants to be the next president. she comes out front tonight. let's go.

i'm erin burnett. presidential candidate michele bachmann. the congresswoman from minnesota is running for president. i want to start with the latest headlines we have. congresswoman, thank you for the time for being with us. >> erin, it's wonderful to be with you. thank you. >> let me start with vice president biden this morning on abc. he was talking about the terror plot, he said it was an outrageous act and the iranians will have to be held accountable. that's the quote. if you were president, would military action be on the table? >> if i was president, i wouldn't have taken my eye off the number one issue in the middle east, which is iran obtaining nuclear weapons. the problem with the obama administration is they have put significant daylight between israel and the united states from day one of the obama presidency. the president unfortunately sent signals of weakness and focused on israel building apartments on their own land as opposed to

iran obtaining a nuclear weapon. that's been the problem. when you have a nation that's a hostile nation, seeing the united states from a point of weakness, that can lead to actions that are absolutely heinous like we're seeing today. >> does it seem like there's a lot of confusion or uncertainty how high this goes in the iranian government, if it really goes to the top and it was a terror attack that -- sure, a saudi ambassador was targeted but at least 100 american casualties were considered perfectly acceptable. if that is really what happened and it goes to the highest echelons of the iranian government, would you would we avoid having this be something that led to a military conflict? >> obviously, this is not acceptable. and i'm privileged to sit on the house permanent select committee on intelligence. we deal with the nation's classified secrets and deal with the problems and hostilities faced from around the world. consider what this is. this is an international

assassination plot on u.s. soil in the nation's capital, and potentially we were looking at targets being various embassies. this is a very serious issue that needs to be addressed seriously. obviously, historically this needed to be addressed by the white house earlier on so that signals were sent to iran that you would never consider attempting something like this on u.s. soil. obviously they felt they could be successful. >> all right. but no direct answer for us tonight in terms of what you would do on military action or considering it? >> well, again, i sit on the house intelligence committee. it's important for me to be a certain amount of circumspect about the comments i make, but the president took his eye off a nuclear and hostile iran. >> i wanted to ask you about the debt ceiling. you talked about your reasons for steadfastly raising it. here you are. >> we must not increase the debt

ceiling. i continue to stand strong on voting against increasing the debt ceiling. president obama is holding the full faith and credit of the united states hostage so that he can continue his spending spree. this republican will not vote to raise the debt ceiling. >> the fight in washington could have had positives forcing our country to face the debt problem. i spoke to every expert i could and said the cost to america, the fight, a credit downgrade that will cost americans higher credit ratings down the road hurt our country. and the debt ceiling debate made the world see the american government as failing. was it worth it? >> the credit ratings saw that washington was not serious about addressing the debt. that showed i was right, not wrong. we had sufficient revenues

coming into the treasury to pay off the interest on the debt. there was no need for the united states to default. what we needed to do is prioritize our spending. you see, your viewers need to understand the united states government is foolishly overspending by 40% every year. imagine if you were spending 40% more than what you took in, or if your business spent 40% more than what you took in. or if your business spent 40% more than you took in. most americans couldn't last two months spending 40% more than they are taking in. that's what countries like greece are doing. we and we see the trouble they are in. i was proven right in the debt ceiling debate and that's what we have to do as a nation. i was proven right in this debt ceiling debate and that's what we have to do as a nation. we need to not spend more money than what we take in. otherwise, all of our taxes will have to be raised to levels that would be prohibitive for us to lead our own lives. >> it's a fair point when you talk about spending. but i wanted to ask you something, especially about the whole focus on cutting taxes.

-- on cutting spending at all costs. a study said starting in 2015, so is a little time to recover without doing anything but at that time if we raise taxes by 7.5% and cut spending 7.5% we would be back to our historical norm of a debt ratio but if it was spending only we would have to do it 43% which is kwif tloent cutting the department of defense. dunn that mean that some tax increases are part of an rational independent strategy here? >> you know, it seems to many people that would be reasonable to raise taxes, but it absolutely would be the most foolish thing we could do. and barack obama agreed with that several years ago when he said the worst thing we could do is increase taxes in the midst of a recession. i talk to people across the united states, erin. they tell me they feel like we are in a recession, no matter

what the economists say. i'm a former federal tax litigation attorney. i'm a small businesswoman with. i run a business at a profit and i'm proud of it. one thing i understand from my business background is that raising taxes won't create jobs. that's the number one thing we need right now is a positive business climate that's why raising taxes will hurt the economy and job creation and the government needs to pull its belt in line and trust me as a member of congress, five years fighting on the front lines, there's so much waste in this town. there's so much waste of people's tax money, we have got to cut back. let's begin with programs like the outrageous fast and furious program where we are giving huge guns to outlaws in mexico, or the loans, $535 million to pay off political donors of president obama. there's so much waste. let's begin this. >> you were -- i read your economic plan which you released

in the past day that talked about a couple of things you would do on day one. you would want to repeal president obama's health care plan and dodd frank which is the financial reform bill. we have a group of 20 ceos, toward and we call them the strike teams and they vote on the plans you put forth in this economy. seven agree it should be repealed. five do not. even a banker said that he would not repeal it. why are you so adamant on that? >> are you talking about repealing obama care. >> dodd frank. >> dodd frank and that's the bill i call the jobs and housing destruction act. that's what is happening right now. the problem with dodd the frank is that it drives costs up for the consumer, costs up to get loans for purchasing a house, loans from a bank. it drives up the cost of loans for business person, for their business. we just saw recently that bank

of america was increasing their debit card fee by $5 every month. that's infuriating americans. we'll see the same with atm fees because when the federal government intervenes and has the banking, the insurance and the bank holding companies now become behold on the the federal reserve and the sec, rather than being able to compete against each other, that means the costs will go up for the consumer, not go down. i want life to be better for the average american. and it would be better if we would repeal dodd frank. >> we have news on bank of america later in the program on that atm fee. i want to ask you about something, congresswoman. you have been consistent on social issues. you talked about yourself as a social conservative and said you support a constitutional amendment making marriage between a man and woman. some republicans feel social issues are too dominant on the republican party platform. aside from your personal believes, do you worry you are

alienating voters by alienating gay marriage. that is a key part of your candidacy. >> unquestionably this year the top issues are jobs answer the economy but if many americans a key issue is how a candidate feels about the life issue. i'm pro life. or how someone feels about the marriage issue. i believe in marriage between a man and woman. as a candidate i don't dance around about my opinions and views. i think it is only fair the voter knows where we stand. i'm only too happy to let people know where i stand on these issues. i believe in religious liberty, for instance, that all people have the right to express their faith freely in the marketplace of ideas. so i'm not a shamed to be able to say that but i have said during the source course of the kmai campaign the economy and jobs are number one and i believe i'm the best qualified to deal with that as a tax lawyer, job creator, created a

business from scratch and runs it profitably an i have been on the front lines for five years fighting for the american consumer and average american household. that's what we need. someone who's fought. so the cost of living can be cheaper and we can have job creation again this this country. >> congresswoman bachmann, thank you for joining us. >> we will do it again. tonight. and herman cain will be asked about his nine nine nine economic plan, his presidential run. a poll just came out, by the way that puts him number one. the 9-9-9 plan not a hit with everyone, including someone that works with cain. and we can't resist doing this story. millions of people are without blackberry service and we're "out front" on the story in chicago where a couple was found brutally murdered in their bed. 14 teens including their own

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four is how many words it took for general motors to upset bikers across the country. they placed an ad in college newspapers saying stop pedaling, start driving. gm pulled the ad and posted numerous apologies on its twitter account. if you are a car company, you are on a certain side of the health debate. come on. you are a car company. new poll just out an hour ago. this is really significant. this is herman cain now leading the gop pack. this is the "wall street journal" poll. this is the first poll we have seen that has herman cain number one. 27% cain, romney 21%. and with us to talk about this really fascinating poll, former republican watts ted strickland and john avalon.

appreciate you all taking the time. what do you think? >> this is a big deal. herman cain in the first position place. nobody would have guessed that and perry dropping 20 points in the poll since late august. that's like a rock. the hermanator is doing well in the polls. >> that is taking the heat on the nine hin9-9-9 plan and he d answer the specific questions. >> i don't think the posters and the people out there, the status quo bunch, i don't think they understand the depth and type of support that herman has. i still believe mitt romney is republicans like to elect next in line. now that mike huckabee is not in the race, the governor's next in line. so it will be interesting to see how it plays out. he has quite a ways to go and i think there are a couple other candidates we may keep our eye on.

right now herman has momentum and i think it's real momentum. >> i want to ask you, like who we should keep an eye on but first to governor strickland. what's your take on this? herman cain number one. why do you think? >> i think most republicans aren't satisfied with any of their candidates so none of them are really scoring highly in the polls. there's a new candidate that's in first place nearly every week. and i think that indicates great dissatisfaction among the republican voters as to who should lead their party going forward. >> jc, answer the like who. other candidates of them scoreboard or not yet in? >> i think the field has been set. however, over the last year, 14 months that i've traveled around the country, i have always found there's been two camps, a romney camp, an anybody but romney camp. but nevertheless, republicans don't believe in affirmative

action unless it is for political candidates and i think romney will benefit from that next in line position that he has. i think rick santorum, i would not count him out. i think newt gingrich, believe it or not. i think newt still has the intellectual juice, the stimulates and i think challenges people to think through the serious issues of the day. but again, i think right now the race is romney, cain, since the governor from new jersey christie didn't get in to be the new flavor of the day. sarah palin says she's not going to run. i think romney at the end of the day will be the person to beat but it wouldn't be surprise me if he is not the nominee. >> john avalon, would it surprise you? >> if herman cain was the nominee? i think it would surprise everybody if herman cain was the nominee. it does show a certain disstats faction with romney where people are looking for someone else that can inspire. herman cain is a great

communicator than is driving a lot of this. the real question for me are you so uninspired by herman cain you can find yourself an upset. do you find yourself rooting for him in your heart or that the republican party just falls back. >> i am cheering for herman in my heart because i think he's a good guy. i have known him ten, 12 years and i think he's the real deal. i think he has a good understanding of the economic issues. he understands that we don't need more taxes, we need more taxpayers. i think he's got a good message. obviously i think his 9-9-9 plan is going to come under more and more scrutiny and people will pick that apart, including the romney folks. again, john, i think it is a different demoon ndemeanor out with the social media and what is going on in republican primaries and republicans are dissatisfied with the establish and washington and i think

herman fits the mold of what they would like their candidate to profile as. >> governor strickland, what do you think in terms of what president obama is thinking tonight or his strategist, seeing herman cain golt bolt to the top. as you pointed out, everything changes and it is very volatile but who would president obama rather run against, herman cain or mitt romney? >> i don't know. but i think the problem is that none of these republican candidates really understand the middle class. when herman cain can say if you are not rich, it's your fault, and when mitt romney can say he's against the auto bailout that has created thousands and thousands and retained thousands of jobs in ohio and mitt romney says he's opposed to the tax cuts that are in the president's jobs plan, i just don't think these folks get it. people out here in ohio and throughout the midwest and across the country are really hurting. what they want is a candidate who understands them deeply and

cares about their problems. and i don't think we are hearing that from any of these candidates. i think that's the problem. >> it's tough. of course the frustration of the bailout. gm still in the red. frustration about all of these things. thank you to all of you. look forward to having you back on regularingly. still "out front" tonight, my beloved, yes, this, blackberry torch let me and millions down today. it was heart breaking and we cannoter resist telling you what happened and who is manssor arbabsiar, a man who plotted civilian casualties in the united states. we have an eck collusive conversation with man who has known him for 15 years. ♪ medicine that can't wait legal briefs there by eight, ♪ ♪ that's logistics. ♪ ♪ freight for you, box for me box that keeps you healthy, ♪ ♪ that's logistics. ♪ ♪ saving time, cutting stress, when you use ups ♪

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. now a story we cannot resist because it affected our show. millions of blackberry users, including many of us "out front" remained without service today as a three-day outage spread to north america. the outage appears to have affected e-mails and the internet. you could make calls. why did this happen? we wanted to know. so this afternoon we joined an informational conference call with research in motion, the maker of the blackberry. during the call they asked us to press star one if we had any questions. we had a lot of questions and we were pushing star one, star one, star one, star one but they never took our calls. we were not happy about that and got nervous.

it is worrisome because our staff uses them a lot. while walking through central park one of our staffer thes was approached by two australian tourists. they were trying to locate a museum. since we pride ourselves in being a friendly news team, our staffer offered to locate it on his blackberry for the tourists, but because of the service problems he had to instead call 411, be connected to the museum and ask the museum for directions. the person who answered at the museum was shocked and said "no one has asked for directions in about two years." well, we had work-related problems, too. to hear him tell it no one was affected as much by the blackberry problem as our very own robert hand. he enthusiastically, as he always does, discussed blackberry outages at our morning meeting today and we can't resist sharing the highlights today. >> two hours of my day i was talking to no one. three hours later people are

getting story pigeons and i sent an e-mail, no one is responding. i never use a phone. i have all of these guests and trying to get them on the phone and i sent an e-mail at 8:35 and people get it at 10:30. >> anything we missed? >> news. >> sorry we couldn't resist. i have to say his solution to the problem was to send e-mails all morning to see if any would go through which created probably a bigger problem for blackberry. blackberry said that everything is fine and running and i got your e-mail but i can not send a single e-mail. none of them are working. not true yet. up next, who's manssor arbabsiar the man allegedly a behind the attempt of the saudi ambassador. one of his friends up next. and a satellite hurding toward earth. what are the chances of it hitting you? what are the chances of all of

these satellites hurding toward earth. and four chicago teens arrested for what is a foul murder. the victim one of the parents of one of the boys. that's "out front."

michele bachmann came out front earlier. i asked what she thought of the foiled terror plot and she

blamed the obama administration for sending signals of weakness. >> when you have a nation that is a hostile nation, seeing the united states from a lens point of weakness, then that can lead to actions that are absolutely heinous like we are seeing today. >> bachmann did not directly answer my question about whether military action would be off the table. number two, a new u.s. sanction against iran. the u.s. accuses mahan air of helping quds force. one of the members is wanted for the plot to assassinate saudi arabia's ambassador to the u.s. we spoke to an expert on iran who told out front the revolutionary guard controls at least 20% of the country's domestic economy. three, toward trying to close the case against john wayne gacy. they sent out the process to exhume the bodies of eight of his victims. they hope to identify all of the

victims but the sheriffs office tells "out front" they think they will only identify some of them. number four, bank of america. this is the news we promised we would give you in the michele bachmann interview. they responded to the cancellation of a $5 monthly debit card charge. the young woman on out front last week said a spokeswoman saw her petition and called saying he realized people are frustrated about the fee but says it is too premature to say whether it will be called off before it takes effect. the petition has 220,000 supporters right now. it has been 68 days since america lost the top credit reporting. what we are doing to get it back. just who is manssor arbabsiar? tonight out front has a better idea. david has known manssor

arbabsiar as jack for the past 15 years and he is joining us on the phone. david, thanks so much for taking the time to be with us. tell me how you knew manssor arbabsiar who i guess you refer to as jack because his name is sort of hard to pronounce. >> yeah, his name is hard to pronounce. they used to call him jack because he used to drink a lot and drank jack. >> wow. okay. >> so any way, i met him -- actually i met three iranian people. i had a dry cleaners here in corpus christi and they had a car lot and i was looking for a car for my son and jack, tom and bruce had a car lot and i bought a car from them. after a number of years and jack had found a property over here on staples an i want in to partnership with him on buying a property. >> you were in business for what, how long with him? >> not too long. probably six months. >> wa was your impression of

what he was like? was he a hard worker? was he the kind of person that could have pulled off the plot we are all hearing about? >> no. i don't think so. he's very disorganized and was part of our problem. i needed somebody more reliable. he would show up sometimes. he was very disorganized. had trouble with keys, titles and everything else. i would not say that he was the kind of person that could pull off something like this. >> your view was -- i know you had spoken earlier with our producer and you were telling her, his wife was really what held him together. >> i think so, yeah. everybody always said around here if it wasn't for his wife he'd be homeless on the street. he wouldn't pay his bills. not because he didn't have the money necessarily but he would forget to pay them. >> in conversation to you, david, did he ever say anything strange or negative about america or pro iran? it is interesting you mentioned

he was called jack for drinking a lot. obviously that is not something that would be consistent about being muslim. >> i don't think he was a devout muslim. i would think i knew more about islam than he did. he never seemed very religious to me. he always seemed very much to like this country because he had made a lot of money here. we didn't talk politics because i figure he probably didn't know much about american politics but we talked about business and cars and he never gave me that indication at all. he has a son here that goes to college. i'm sure he liked this country. i don't know what could have possessed him to do what he's accused of doing, other than, you know money or something like that, you know? >> thank you so much, david. appreciate you taking the time. so many are curious in this country and around the world to learn more about him. so thank you for sharing it with us. >> you are welcome. thank you. not exactly a portrait of a

terrorist that is going to make american authorities happy. what will america do? vice president biden had this to say on abc this morning. >> it's an outrage that violates one of the fundamental premises about which nations deal with one another and this is the sankty and safety of their diplomates. this is over the top. they have to be held accountable. >> what does that mean, have to be held accountable? it's a big question for the whole world. is the u.s. government being forceful enough in its reaction so far? we want to bring in former assistant secretary of state jamie rubin. he was with us last night and good to have you with us and seth jones, back with us again tonight. jamie, what's your take, the rhetoric is very strong out of the white house. >> i think so far it is appropriate. held accountable gives a broad range of possibility s from legal sanction of some kind 0 to an economic sanction or worse.

the key thing they are doing right now is building the case around the world. because whatever happens with this individual case they want to be sure that in responding to iran's broader challenge, the nuclear challenge that the world will help us, the chinese will help using the russians will help us. the europeans have done a lot. they have put on their own sanctions beyond the security council. so getting the world's support starts with the evidence. and if it's as compelling as it appears to be in secret as it is the public version, i think some countries like china, like russia will have a hard time defending iran. >> seth, let me ask you, though, because it's interesting the portrait we heard from someone who's done business with manssor arbabsiar, who he knew as jack, was far from compelling. in fact it was down right -- i don't know. that was not a portrait of somebody who you thought could get it together and go ahead with this complicated terror

plot. >> i think if you look at the most recent terror plots in the united states, shah sad, the times square bomber was not exactly a first rate competent terrorist nor was the 2009 attempted al qaeda bomber also in new york city. again, this have been a range of recent bombers that have been fairly uneducated, fairly benign and certainly disorganized vinls. that in of itself doesn't strike me as being a complete out liar. >> perhaps it would strengthen their case from their view as this guy wasn't competent which would prove there is somebody that was, the person they are saying is from iran and wiring the money and the mastermind. >> right. in that case, would need a handler from the rgc quds force to provide the money probably to provide technical advice and other assistance. >> jamie was talking about china

and you mentioned it again. we did the math on whether the u.s. could use successfully force china to isolate iran refully. at today's prices out front calculates china send 1s $4 billion a year to teheran. but the saudis could change that. they could say iran tried to assassinate our ambassador so it is us or iran. then china may get stuck. the biggest supplier of oil to china is saudi arabia. he said china could reploois place iranian oil, 400,000 barrels a day. i wasn't sure how the math would work but it would. if china was potentially forced to make that choice. >> i think the key point, as you know, is how forceful will saudi arabia be. i think this plot -- and i think it's important to bear in mind that iran has done this kind of

thing before. there are serious charges right now going on in the tribunal in lebanon where the former lebanese prime minister was assassinated by hezbollah with support, it's alleged, from iran. they have subcontracted before these kind of assassinations. mr. herery was close to the saudis. these are the same enemies of iran they are potentially attacking. if the saudis are angry enough and you have shown they have the tloench put the chinese on the spot. if the chinese really are the only country in the security council for example holding out against tougher sanks they can put them on the spot. in fact, the united states in the first round of sanctions that were put on under obama went to the saudis and asked them to convince other countries that they would replenish oil if iran retaliated? thank you very much. appreciate your time. still out front a german

satellite hurdling toward earth? we ask again are we in any danger. there seem to be a lot of satellites falling out of the sky. and it has been eight days since lisa irwin disappeared from her home an and a chicago couple murdered in their home. their son arrested.

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libya officials claim they have captured 90% of sirte, the gadhafi strong hold. we have new developments. what can you tell us about reports of a high-level capture? >> reporter: well, yeah, there are reports that that the fifth son of colonel gadhafi was captured here in sirte. he was a colonel in the libyan army, supposedly directing the battle for the pro gadhafi, the dwindling pro gadhafi forces here. however, we've got to be very skeptical about this, i think. we have only had this confirmed from one source in tripoli. no one on the ground a here knows much about it. we were in the middle of a fire fight today and no one told us they caught such a high-level figure. i think they said the source that was captured midday and that was 12 hours ago. we still don't have anyone on

the ground telling us so. we are getting increasingly skeptical whether he has been captured. >> thank you very much. in the middle of the fire. stay safe there in libya. next abu dhabi. what did he say about why the saudi ambassador to the united states may have been targeted in this terror plot? >> erin, ambassador jordan described how he is close to king abdullah. that she he is like a son to the king and talked about how adel al-jubeir is based in washington, d.c. he spends a tremendous amount of time in riyadh and involved in almost every high-level meeting the king has there. it is clear adel al-jubeir is no run of the mill diplomate. he's seen as a right hand man and dee foreign adviser to king abdullah. and that according to jordan makes him a target to some

degree. >> thank you very much. now to atlanta to learn more about a large german satellite, which is plunging back to earth. this is the second satellite to fall and hit within the last month which is why i'm wondering what is going on tonight. what are the chances this hits somebody? in. >> erin, it's a big satellite and many pieces will hit the ground. that's what it looks like right now. it won't look like that as it burns up and hits the ground. the risk of it hitting anyone in the world, one in 2,000. multiply that by the population of the world and the chance of you getting hit is one in 13 trillion. this is a big satellite, though. one of the pieces is ceramic and it will not burn up on reentry. it will weigh 1700 pounds that will still leave a mark. erin. >> thank you very much. now the crime docket, ten days in toe this trial of dr. conrad murray. his defense is abandoning the theory that michael jackson may have swallowed a deadly dose of

propofol. instead, they say he could have injected himself with a syringe. prosecutors attempted to shoot down that theory with testimony from a medical expert who says dr. murray showed gross negligence. >> because if these deviations would not have happened mr. jackson would have been alive. >> and now to missouri, new video released of debra bradley, the mother of a missing 10-month-old baby girl. she was shopping the day her daughter disappeared. police told us it doesn't tell them anyone new she vanished from her crib in the middle of the night eight days ago. she was 10 months old. her parents have been repeatedly questioned by police. there's been no sign of the baby. the family hired a private investigator to help with the case. now a surprising twist in a foul and grisly chicago area murder investigation. the cook county sheriffs office is charges three teens with first-degree murder. they allege the teens conspired

with another teen, john granat, to kill john granat's parents john and maria were found bluj enned and stabbed to death in their bed. police charged their son with murder and all four men are held without bail. it is a hideous crime. you maintain your client's nejs innocence but his friends and videotaped confessions said he planned the murder of his parents for several months. are they lying? >> i think they are lying, erin. i have had an opportunity to speak to a number of young men and ladies that have gone to school with john, know him for a number of years. i haven't heard anything that indicates to me that this is something that has been going on for several months and in the planning stages. john has been a student at stagg high school. he's had an opportunity to meet and mingle with a number of people. he maintained a full-time job,

in addition to working with his -- for his mom and dad's company. i don't see any of that in any of the people that i've spoken with. >> let me ask you, the teenagers that have spoken say the motive was money and the parents were beaten to death for $35,000 in cash, which was kept in the house. what kind of relationship did your client have with his parents? was he close with them? >> from everyone that i've talked to, john has had a very close relationship with mom and dad. he was a 17-year-old kid, of course, and everybody has their problems with their parents at that age, but not to the degree that i saw in the photographs that were shown to me by the prosecutors in this case as to the horrendous beating that was inflicted on these two human beings.

it's beyond the possibility at least in my mind as we stand here tonight to think that a son could do that to his mother or father. >> yes. the details are absolutely horrible. but if not himmi, than who? >> i believe the three young men that were interviewed and confessed to the sheriffs officers over the weekend are the people responsible for the killings. i don't think there is any question that those were the people who had a motive. money was the motive. they had all, i think, been in the granat house previously. they were associates of john. one was a good friend of john. he knew the house intricately and with respect to the murder weapons, that's where the murder weapons were found. these three kids had spent the last month lying to prosecutors, lying to police officers, lying

to their friends at school. >> all right. >> so i think they have got the right guys. >> thank you very much for joining us. we will continue to follow the story. thanks again. i hope that all of you will tune in tomorrow because we have gop presidential candidate herman cain who just within the last hour, within the latest poll rocketed to number one for the first time in the national gop race. first female executive of the "new york times" in its 163 year history. jill abramson is "out front" next. [ alarm beeping ]

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safe to say she's on every power list that matters. jill abramson became the executive editor for the "new york times." she's in charge of guiding the world's most well-known paper from the move from paper to mobile devices and ipads. she is joining me now. wonderful for you to come in. thank you so much. >> thank you for having me, erin and congratulations on the though show. >> thank you. executive editor since september 6th you have been on every possible list, "vanity fair," forbes list of 100 most powerful women. how do you feel about the attention? >> you know, it's been a bit of getting used to. you know, it's nice to be on all of these lists. i always say you can't take them

too seriously and the only thing that is really bad is when you are on a list one year and you fall off the next. when you are not on the list. >> i saw some feedback in the "new york times." some readers had written in. some comments you made about being a woman. and that you said that being a woman doesn't necessarily mean you select stories or cover stories differently from men. as a female journalist i was wondering what you meant when you said that? >> what i was taking issue with is the assumption that sometimes female editors would somehow take the news in is a soft direction. and my background is as an investigative reporter. so that was definitely not going to be the case at the times with me. i was kind of responding to a question. >> something specific. >> something to that suggestion but certainly different kinds of people bring different perspectives to stories, which

is why you want a diverse newsroom. >> speaking of how things have changed. you were a big part of pushing the "new york times" to have a pay wall. something that has been successful. this year we have seen the rise of citizen journalism like skype where journalists have struggled to get access whether syria or libya at times. does that hurt you or empowers reporters to do more in depth work? >> i think it empowers reporters and puts a premium on the thor taytive reporting around the world. we have more foreign and national correspondent than we have ever had. with the din of all the news out there, i think the times place to give it to you true, to present the news in an intelligent way, to provide beautifully-written stories. people want that more than ever. but they want it