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out tomorrow morning. new york mayor michael bloomberg wants them to go by 7:00 a.m. he says the park needs to be cleaned. they say it is an excuse to push them out. protesters may get help from the members of the united auto workers union. they plan to show up and offer their support. it could be a lively morning and we will have sean penn on the show tomorrow night who i'm sure will have his own view on what is going on wall street. that's all for us tonight. now ac 360. the guilty verdict for the man tried in connection with a deadly home invasion in connecticut. the jury convicted joshua komisarjevsky on 17 counts against him, including murder, kidnapping and arson. he could face the death penalty. the jury heard testimony detailing the deaths of jennifer petit and her daughters, 11 and 17 years old. the only survivor, father and husband, dr. william petit has been in court every day sitting stoically, saying very little to reporters. not long ago he spoke about the
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man convicted of brutalizing his family. >> i'm not surprised is at all. i thought from the beginning that he was a lying sociopathic personality. and probably at this moment doesn't think he's guilty of anything. he's convinced himself of that i suspect. >> you will hear more from dr. petit and debra feyerick who was right there in the courtroom. but first, herman cain has gone from underdog to possible top dog. the latest nbc "wall street journal" poll shows cain with support from 27% of republican voters. mitt romney is four points behind him. ranked third is rick perry with 16% saying they would vote for him. today, as you may have seen in the last hour on cnn, cain sat down with erin burnett for an interview that covered several topics. we begin on the alleged plot to kill the saudi ambassador to the united states. watch. >> i happen to believe in a this
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attempted assassination, that iran has its fingerprints all over, based on the reports that we've seen, was because this president is perceived as weak. >> mr. cain, we'd love to see those reports. nowhere have we seen in any of the information about this alleged plot that the suspected plot came about because president obama is weak. in fact, nowhere aside from you, has it even been suggested that that's how this plot came about. now to mr. cain's so-called 9-9-9 plan he's been touting. here's the breakdown down. he wants 9% business flat tax. a 9% individual flat tax and 9% national sales tax. cain is calling for an end to the payroll tax and state tax among other changes. today the ceo of godfather's pizza says his plan will help the u.s. economy. >> when this economy is growing with my 9-9-9 plan, we will be growing at a robust rate rather than the anemic rate we are growing at today.
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>> remember that. we'll be growing at a robust rate, he says. keeping them honest there are some serous questions about that. the plan would bring in $1.768 trillion. but currently the tax system brings in at least 2.16 trillion. mr. cain's plan brings 18 to 20% less in tax revenue. in keeping him honest, there's no talk of the economy growing at a robust rate right now from several people, including one of cain's political consultants. he said the problem with the big bang changes like the flat or fair tax is they are so alien to the current system it would be a big shock. bruce bartlett the former adviser to ronald reagan and george h.w. bush said at a minimum, the cain plan is a
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distributional monstrosity. the poor would pay more and no reason the economic would increase. some of the critics of cain's 999 plan, now another voice. i spoke with the senior adviser to the romney campaign. i keep seeing the new numbers. herman cain has a four point edge on your boss nationally. maybe a sampling area, but regardless, what happened? why is herman cain on top of the pack suddenly? >> herman cain is a serious competitor. i know mitt romney respects and admires him. they share the fact they both have private sector experience and mitt believes that is an important quality in our next president. i think herman is someone whoa who's going to get more attention now he is moving up in the polls. one thing people will look at closely is his 9-9-9 plan. this is his proposed change in tax policy. i think there are a couple of significant draw backs to that. >> i want to focus on governor
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romney for a second. he's been out there for five years. he ran for the republican nomination last time. republican voters know who he is and what he stands for but still having trouble with the bush. let's listen to rush limbaugh. he says romney is not a conservative. he's not folks, you can argue with me all day on that, but he isn't. he's a gentleman but not a conservative. why are we hearing statements like that after all this time, governor romney being out courting the right? >> i had the privilege of serving with mitt romney during his time in massachusetts. this was an individual that taught for english emersion in schools. he was tough on illegal immigration. he fought to lower taxes, fought to cut spending and reform government, pro death penalty. this is an individual who's most definitely a conservative. >> he was also pro choice on abortion rights at one point in his campaign against senator kennedy and some conservatives question his change of heart. he calls it a legitimate change of heart but some conservatives question that.
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>> our campaign is growing in momentum every day. this week we announced the endorsement of chris christie and welcomed him to the fold. i don't think there's a more significant voice for cutting spending and reforming government in the country than governor christie and every day we are adding new people. we feel good about the direction of the campaign and how things are going and we are pleased with the state of the race. >> let's turn to the up side of the political spectrum. no secret the obama campaign has been going negative on your candidate. david axelrod had a conference call yesterday and pretty clear they view romney as the likely nominee at this point. now today you and david axelrod taking the battle to the twitter verse. axelrod writes, a year ago, romney hit obama and no apology for being too tough on china. now mitt's a trade warrior. he says, you should rename obama's book the audacity of indifference.
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or how i golfed my way through a recession. some of it is tongue and cheek but is it a sign of things to come. >> i think you can expect from the white house more hocus-pocus that is meant to draw attention from the bad state of the economy. and in some ways, mr. axelrod reminds me of one of those old vaudeville magicians that uses redirection to distract the attention of the audience from the performance of the trick. and the trick in this case is trying to get barack obama re-elected despite his failures on the economy. i wish him luck but i believe the election will be a referendum on the performance of barack obama when it comes to creating jobs and getting the economy moving. >> eric, appreciate your time. >> thank you, john. let's dig in to the raw politics. joining me is former new york congresswoman susan molinari, glor gloria borger and ken black
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well. obama is the front runner, but is this obama romney narrative ahead of itself? >> the white house has nothing to lose by doing it when you talk to people in the white house they will tell you mitt romney is the person they think would be the toughest opponent, the toughest to beat. let me be cynical, if i might, which is that in taking on mitt romney they remind republicans of why they don't like mitt romney. and that sort of sews more discord within the republican party, which is exactly what the obama campaign would like to do. i think it serves a couple of purposes and why not do it early. >> i'm just -- i'm shocked. i can't speak now you said there could be something cynical about this. i don't know what to do. susan, you are a romney supporter. if you look at the poll he is at or close to the top. but if you look at herman cain's
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jump to the top and in the nbc poll, he has twice as much support among the tea party voters. are you worried your candidate is having trouble with the base, especially the tea party? >> i think herman cain is a credible candidate and he's done a fine job in the debates as far as coming from nowhere and capturing imagination and we will always have a race for who's going to be second and who's going to be first. i'm not worried at this point. i was, as you know last time around a big mayor giuliani and chris christie supporter. i think what governor romney has shown us in this political campaign is such consistency and leadership. really sticking to a thoughtful pattern of how he would govern as president of the united states, but i think he is going to close the deal with conservatives as more and more sort of the momentum continues to move to mitt romney when it comes to money and organization. and when it comes to consistency. you spent a few minutes challenging herman cain.
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on things he's not been challenged on before. when you were the personable, colorful candidate that comes up with new ideas you have a tendency to not get hit by the media. and he has an opportunity to rise to the polls. when you come near the top it is a tougher ride. >> herman cain will get that tougher ride. and more scrutiny in our debate tuesday. >> it is starting already. sure. >> ken blackwell, susan noted she was for rudy giuliani last time and he was ahead in the national polls. so we should remember that as we talk about the national polls now. who is the front-runner? is it accurate to call mitt romney the front runner? he has the organization and fund-raiser but herman cain is on the rise and connecting with people. >> i think you outlined it properly. herman cain is on the rise. mitt romney has been out this longer. he has the money and the organization. and i think the compress primary schedule is placed in his favor giving his superior organization
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and his money, but he does have a challenge. if, in fact, his 28%, 27% when he's around that number over the average is the ceiling, that's problematic for him and that suggests he's going to have some real difficult challenges and very conservative states. so, you know, all of them have their challenges. herman has caught on because he's imaginative. he's out there. he's new. but, you know, his plan is going to come under scrutiny and i will tell you what will get conservatives about the 9-9-9 plan. if is right on growth, it's right on simplification, but it's wrong when you talk about the federal government getting the opportunity to tax states. that changes the whole relationship between the central government and the states.
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>> agree. >> i want everyone to listen here, gloria, i'll come to you first, anita perry, the first lady of texas making an emotional speak in south carolina today. listen to this. >> it's been a rough month. i don't have to tell you. we have been brutalized, eaten up a and chewed up in the press to where i need this today. we have been brutalized by our opponents in our own party. so much of that is i think they look at him because of his faith. he's the only true conservative. well there are other conservatives and they are there for good reasons. and they may feel like god called them to. but i truly feel like we are here for that purpose. >> nbc caught that moment, gloria borger, we are here for that purpose. brutalized by other republicans because of his faith. how's that going to sell? >> i don't think it will sell well at all. the last thing you want to do is make a presidential candidate
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look like somebody who's complaining or a victim. this is a brutal race. he's been brutalized by his opponents because that's what happens to front runner and rick perry was up there for a little bit as a front runner and he could come back as the front runner, but i don't think this kind of language will help her husband at all, particularly when you challenge the motives of other candidates in the field and saying it was his calling opposed to anyone else's. >> what do you think that mrs. perry was trying to say there, susan? >> it is very difficult. i understand as a daughter of an elected official and wife of an elected official, sometimes it's harder on the family to sit there and watch what a candidate has to go through. governor perry has gone through and has been brutalized because he has done such a disappointing job in these debates and his failure to come to the expectations that a lot of
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people had as a political person. and to sit there and say he's been demonized because of his faith when we have had a president of the united states like george bush who really was so out front of his faith that jesus was the person he looked to most. was so comfortable in his faith and it wasn't a detriment to his election that i think it does not -- i agree with gloria, i don't think it helps the campaign or politics. it doesn't help the discussion. >> ken blackwell, what about the subset of evangelicals? how will it play out? >> i think in the final analysis, look, when you talk about the important issues of marriage and life, we sort of look at catholics, mormons, evangelicals as co-belligerents. which means they have a public agenda around which they can rally, even if their theologies don't perfectly match one another. anybody that tries to divide along religious lines within the
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conservative movement is going to be in trouble. anyone who tries to play the victim, whether they are mormon or baptist or catholic will find that that just won't go that far. >> appreciate it. thanks. a programming note, you can see all the candidates tuesday night when anderson hosts the republican presidential debate in las vegas. 8 p.m. here on cnn. up next, another keeping them honest report. president obama touting his jobs plan, slamming republicans for not having their own blueprint for restarting the economy and he also says they're not saying what they don't like about his plan. the truth is,republicans have done both. and a second man convicted of the murder of a mother and two young daughters in a horrific invasion in connecticut. we will hear from the sole survivor, the husband and father who lost everything when "360 returns.
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>> the last time i was here at a press conference i asked you guys to show us the republican jobs plan that independent economists would indicate would put people to work. i haven't seen it. eventually i'm hoping they actually put forward some proposals that indicate that they feel that sense of urgency about people and need to put people to work right now. >> got that? he is hoping republicans put forth a proposal that shows they feel a sense of urgency about creating jobs. that's what the president says. keeping him honest, republicans haven't unveiled their plans. days after president obama unveiled his jobs plan in the speech before congress, house speaker boehner shared his thoughts on how to improve the economy. >> the president's proposals are a poor substitute for the pro growth policies that are needed to remove barriers to job creation in america. the policies that are needed to put america back to work.
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if we want job growth, we need to recognize who really creates jobs in america, and it's the private sector. >> the speaker isn't the only republican sharing ideas. today, shortly after the president spoke at the white house, senate republicans touted their own jobs plan. here's senator john mccain. >> this bill will serve as a blueprint to bring our country back economically, create jobs and give americans hope again for the future. now, obviously, president obama has his plan. there is a dramatic difference between ours and his because president obama and my friends on the other side of the aisle in the senate believe that they can create jobs through government spending. we believe that we can create jobs through growth. they believe that government creates and spending creating jobs.
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we believe business and growth creates jobs in america. >> now that plan's different than the president's plan, as senator mccain noted but it is a plan. one other thing the president's been saying caught our eye. listen to this message from the president earlier this month. >> if it turns out that there are republicans who are opposed to this bill, they need to explain to me, but more importantly to their constituents and the american people why they are opposed and what would they do. >> mr. obama wants republicans to explain why they are opposed to his plan. well, keeping him honest and them honest, republicans have done that too. last month republican leaders released a memo on the president's jobs proposal. they have concerns of money requested to improve roadways and other projects. they stay quote while spending to improve infrastructure can play an important part in short term and long term economic growth, adding more money to the same broken system is likely to produce waste and inefficiency than meaningful results.
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republicans also took issue with another proposal from president obama. we do not agree with the policies proposed by the president that are a repeat or continuation of spending from his 2009 systtimulus bill. a bit earlier i spoke to jessica young who had that exchange today with the president and senior political analyst david gergen. jessica, democrats now talking about breaking up his jobs bill into smaller parts. that's something the white house originally did not want to do but inevitable the administration had to change its tune? >> given the status of congress right now, inevitable, yes. and it actually works for them politicalpy. the white house now will get behind this effort from congress to have the republicans vote, will have all congress vote on each component part. you will see everybody forced to vote on the measure to re-employ unemployed teachers. whether people want to put construction workers back to work, rebuild schools and the idea here politically is for the white house to be able to say the president, to go on the road
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and effectively say house republicans, or congressional republicans have voted against each one of these measures that is so popular with american people and polls show they are popular and try to try tie them like an albatross around the neck of house republicans and make them unpopular and in the future tie them to whoever the 2012 republican candidate is. it is a political gamble but it's the president's move this winter. john? >> it is a political conversation. david, while 25 million americans are unemployed or underemployed, the speaker did speak to the president. the speaker said it is time for the president to stop the campaign and start listening. is that a valid point? or anything the president or the republicans for that matter between now and november going to be labelled as campaigning. >> it's time for both sides to stop campaigning for a while. it is clearly not just the jobs bill but the break up of the jobs bill and the ineffectiveness. what the politicians in
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washington now are doing is strictly on the margins. they will not help the economy very much in the next few months. that's very plain. what they are trying to do is help themselves. you know, john, we have gotten to the point where one of the fastest growing job programs in the country right now is the obama election campaign. he's raised $70 million this summer. opening three field offices a week. that's creating jobs. i'm not sure there are many in the real economy. >> jessica, the president is going to make the case against the republicans but there are some democrat, maybe not a lot but some opposed to the jobs bill. how does it complicate the president's task when someone like senator jim webb democrat of virginia says something like this, i cannot support final passage of the bill in its current form. i emphasize my long held belief that taxes should not be raised on wages or ordinary income. this legislation if passed should be paid for by other means. such as raising capital gains or costly sub cities or tax loopholes. jim webb saying even if it is a millionaire don't raise taxes on
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income because it will hurt the economy. >> right. senator tester of montana and senator nelson of nebraska were two who voted no to move forward with the bill on a procedural measure. there are some democrats who are not in support of this at all. and it complicates it for the president. he does not have the support of his entire party, but because it is a political fight now he can message it against the republicans. the bottom line is -- the bigger question is, will he be able to peel off enough republicans to get some component parts passed? advisers believe in the end they will ultimately be able to pass, at the very least, the unemployment insurance extension and extension of the payroll tax cut. and maybe that's it, john. >> i suspect some of that optimism jessica just spoke about is based on the fact that republicans weren't always opposed to everything in this plan. watch. >> some of the president's proposals i think offer an
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opportunity for common ground. >> i still like the idea of corporate tax reform. i think that would be healthy for growth. >> we can do some things together. we can work together on those things. >> being on the record with statements like that, david gergen? at least some pressure on the republicans to support part of it, much of it? some of it? or are they going to say never mind, we're in campaign mode? >> no, john. i think there's a political game going on both sides the president wants to accuse the republicans of obstructing progress on jobs. they would bear responsibility for 9% plus unemployment but the republicans are wisely saying let's try to work together on this. take away the sense of obstructing or opposing everything the president wants to do. just yesterday, it was the republicans that really helped the president get his three trade bills through. that was a positive step forward and there will be a couple more things. the republicans are trying to
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take some of the sting out so they don't have the albatross of 9% unemployment hanging around their necks. that's where obama wants to put it. >> we will see where the debate heads next. thank you. >> thank you. >> the poll politics continue on cnn tomorrow morning. governor perry will be a guest on ""american morning."" he is third in the poll and he will talk about that and his new jobs program tomorrow morning here on cnn. up next, more on the breaking news, a verdict in the connecticut triple murder trial. the mother and two daughters held hostage in their own home, tortured and killed. one killer already sentenced to death. tonight his partner learns his faith. and in crime and punishment, the michael jackson trial could end this week as the prosecution moves to wrap up the case. advil® helps me do what i love. the job's tough, advil® is tougher. advil® never lets me down. [ male announcer ] take action. take advil®. with advanced power,
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more on a big breaking news story tonight, guilty. that's what a connecticut jury said 17 times for the second man accused in a horrific triple murder. joshua komisarjevsky charged with murder, kidnapping, burglary, arson and assault. he and steven hayes broke in to the home hoff the petit family and beat david petit and raped and killed his wife and daughters. hayes has been sentenced to death. joshua komisarjevsky could face the same punishment. his penalty phase part of the trial set for october 24th.
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this was dr. petit's reaction after the verdict was red in court. >> going back to the trial and hearing the testimony and seeing the evidence sort of brings everything back in sharp focus. things you don't want to necessarily have in sharp focus and pinging around your brain 24 hours a day. so it's been very difficult, but it's not clear to me that time heals all wounds but you form some form of scars that, like i said, in some interview, the jagged hole in your heart. until she was 11 years old she would look my brother in the law in the face whenever men came around. she averted her glance. she was incredibly shy around men. once she got to know you she would talk to you but to hear a statement that they locked eyes and there was some sort of bond was nauseating and beyond the pale because that's not something that she would have ever done with a man who had broken in to her bedroom and
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sexually assaulted her. there was nothing that i could do to make that any better by looking like an enraged or crazed father and i thought that really jennifer, haley and michaela would want me to conduct myself with respect and dignity and in in spite of the circumstances. so i thought it would really dishonor their memories to act crazy, be violent, just -- i can see jen standing there and she would chastise me without a doubt if i had that kind of attitude. so i think it was really what for their memory. >> beautiful family. deb feyerick was in the courtroom when the verdict came in. she now joins us from new haven. take us inside the courtroom. what was the reaction? >> it was very, very emotional. the jury came in. they did not look at the
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defendant. a lot of times people say it is because it is not going to go in his favor. when they read the verdict, guilty on all counts the members of the petit family wept in court. the relief of this moment, because they had been sitting through it for so long. meantime, joshua komisarjevsky, he had no emotion. he sat and stared at the jury as they read the verdict and then he got up and it appeared he actually yawned as he was let out of court and back to prison. a different reaction clearly on both sides. most surprising the lack of reaction, the lack of remorse from joshua komisarjevsky, john. >> dr. petit makes an important point. he said the case is not over yet. the sentencing phase of the trial is yet to come, right? >> that's right. we are going to hear more testimony during that phase. as a matter of fact, the defense lawyers, believe it or not, want to introduce 100 pages of letters written by the
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accomplice who's on death row already, and the judge initially wouldn't allow it saying no, that will seal his doom, joshua komisarjevsky's doom. they still want to bring it in. they are trying to save his life. that was their intention from the beginning. trying to make him at least a little sympathetic. that didn't happen during this phase, from the testimony we heard this time. whether they can prove it during the next phase, they are trying to save his life, that's their goal right now. >> listening to dr. petit it is clear how or horrified, angry and unhappy he was with some of the things that the defense said but he managed to keep his voice very calm. there are no outward anger. remarkable. >> it is. it is. he is really truly a remarkable man in terms of the way he has handled all of this. the media, they knew. no one asked him questions or probed how he was feeling on any given day. they kept a respectable
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difference. he said when he was ready he would speak and that's what he did. think about this, john. he had to sit there in court, listening to the voice of his daughter's tormenter, describing what he did to her and what he was doing in the house and still he sat through that. it takes a very brave man and he wanted the jury to make sure they knew the family was there. >> deb feyerick, fascinating coverage. let's get the latest on some other important stories we're following. isha sesay with a 360 news and business bulletin. president obama threatened iran with the toughest sanctions possible for their role in an alleged plot to kiln the saudi arabia ambassador on u.s. soil. this as a senior white house official tells cnn of a direct meeting with iran held yesterday. no die tails on who attended. france, prosecutors dropped a case against dominique straus-kahn citing lack of evidence. a french journalist accused hymn of trying to rape her in 2003.
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the ceo of the bankrupt solar energy firm solyndra resigned. brian harrison stepped down last week. solyndra received a $535 million loan guarantee from the obama administration before it shut down in august. good news, blackberry users, service is fully restored. the company's founder says the outage was caused by a hardware error. the backup system failed as well. still ahead "crime and punishment" the jury in the michael jackson death trial could get the case next week. tonight a look at conrad murray's defense. and a rare look at bullying as it happens. anderson sits down with the film maker of a ground breaking documentary when "360" continues. ♪ and the flowers and the trees ♪ ♪ all laugh when you walk by ♪ and the neighbors' kids run and hide ♪
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eye crime and punishment." it looks like the michael jackson death trial may end earlier than expected, perhaps as early as next week. on day 12 the prosecution began to question its final witness, an anesthesiologist. he is the third doctor called to convince jurors the care conrad murray gave jackson was not only bad mid sin but gross negligence and killed the singer. >> conrad murray was grossly neglect in multiple instances, and that directly caused the death of michael jackson, correct? >> it absolutely did, yes. >> the defense will of course be calling its own expert witness to counter what the jurors have said so far. here's ted rowlands. >> reporter: defense attorneys for dr. conrad murray begin their case next week and they will argue that michael jackson
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caused his own death. they say jackson desperate for sleep swallowed eight pills of lorazepam and then used a syringe to inject the fatal dose of propofol himself, all without murray's knowledge. >> would you think that a doctor who prescribed a patient 30 ambien and the patient took them all and killed himself, that the doctor would be responsible? >> objection relevance. >> key to the theory the propofol bottle that investigators say they found inside of an iv bag in jackson's room. prosecutors say that conrad murray gave jackson the propofol that killed him through a continuous iv drip. but murray said he never gave him an iv drip that day, noting the photo outside of a bag with no milky substance. the defense points to the fact that no one claimed the propofol bottle was inside the iv bag until two years after jackson's death. >> in fact the first time that you noted that there was a
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propofol bottle in an iv bag was the 29th of march, 2011. >> in case notes. >> yes. >> yes. >> am i right? >> yes. >> you never do mention, in your notes that a propofol bottle was found in an iv bag, is that fair? >> that would be fair. >> another theory, that jackson was addicted to the powerful painkiller demerol, given to him without murray's knowledge. by dr. around me cleaning, whose name has come up repeatedly during this trial. >> are you aware that michael jackson was a habitual user of demerol? >> objection, assumes facts not in evidence. >> sustained. >> have you read dr. klein's medical records regarding michael jackson? >> no.
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>>. >> reporter: the defense says the demerol addiction led to jackson's insomnia and klein and other doctors have been giving him drugs for years. they say murray was trying to help the singer get off of the drugs. >> mr. jackson was my friend. i loved him. michael jackson may have a dependency to substance. i was trying to wean him off. >> the defense is likely to try to shift jurors to the insulated world that michael jackson created around him. they will argue that murray didn't call 911 right away because he thought the chef was doing it for him and he will say he called the security guards first because they knew they would never let an ambulance on to the grounds unless they were told to do so. the jury could get the case by the end of next week. ted rowlands, cnn, los angeles. now joining me is sunny hostin from "in session" on trutv. more and more damaging testimony from these medical experts. the witness for the prosecution. you say it is almost like a medical malpractice case?
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>> it really is. it sounds like a medical malpractice case. and i think the prosecution certainly left the best for last. they left the medicine for last. we are hearing from all of these expert witnesses. we are hearing from dr. alon steinberg who many are calling him dr. mcdreamy. he was very capable, competent. he was unflappable. he talked about six, not one, not two but six deviations from the standard of care. extreme deviations from the standard of care. then we heard from dr. nader kamangar, who is a sleep medicine expert. and he said that dr. murray's actions were inconceivable to him. you don't use propofol in a nonmedical setting for insomnia. you just don't do it. and we heard from dr. schaffer, who's an anesthesiologist who is interestingly enough the person who developed the fda dosing
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guidelines for propofol. we heard about his expert qualifications and my understanding is he is the last prosecution expert. so interestingly enough, this is a really tight case, by the prosecution. california is sort of known for over trying their case. we saw that in o.j. simpson case. not so in this case. they left the best for the last. a strong case the prosecution has put forth. >> outside of the courtroom we find out jackson's eldest son said that dr. murray did not comfort him and his siblings in an audio interview. since they are not sequestered, couldn't the jury hear about this and could that affect their outcome, their view. >> they certainly could hear about it, they are being admonished not to look at television, not to read any media reports about this trial. i hope they are keeping to that admonishment but many people are saying perhaps prince will testify in the state's rebuttal case because he would directly contradict murray's account. initially we know prince and paris wanted to testify. catherine jackson did not want them to testify. it is possible in the
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prosecution's rebuttal case as early as next week we may hear from one of michael jackson's children. >> you made the point, you think the defense has a steep hill ahead of it what's the one thing you are looking for to see if they have a good case. >> i think this will be a case of the battle of the experts. we know on the defense witness list is dr. paul white. many describe him. he's an anesthesiologist. many describe him as the father of propofol. very, very interesting that he is on the defense case because he's the best, one of the closest friends of dr. shafer on the prosecution's -- the state's list. i believe we will hear from him. we may also hear from another cardiologist. it's definitely going to be i think the battle of the experts and we will see which side wins on that. >> and we'll watch it play out. sunny hostin, thanks for being here tonight. a special report on bullying an extraordinary look at real life bullies in action. all this week, we are takine
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lady. gives you a glimpse of the cruelty some kids endure. this is what a 13-year-old faced on a school bus in sioux city, iowa. >> what? [ inaudible ] >> why are you punching me? [ inaudible ] >> no, no, no. why are you stabbing me with it. >> i ought to knock your face-off. >> give it to him, hard. >> in a recent town hall on bullying, anderson sat down with the filmmaker, along with kelly
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ripa, jane lynch and others. >> the film is extraordinary. we watched it last night. just incredible. you spent a year in the school. did it surprise you what you saw and were able to capture. >> it didn't surprise me. it was sort of -- i think the gall of making the film was to get out there and show what kids go through. to show what kyle goes through. to give it something really real so that we can stop denying it, stop sort of saying this is just a rite of passage. >> you were so concerned about alex, the little boy on the bus you actually showed the footage to his mom. i want to show another clip from the film. >> do you understand at some point you have gotten used to this? and i'm not. i'm not used to it. because i didn't know and i'm not about to get used to it. does it make you feel good when they punch you or kick you or stab you? do these things make you feel good?
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>> no. i don't know. i'm starting to think i don't feel anything anymore. >> you watched this last night with your kid. >> that was the moment that i think scared me the most when he said i don't feel anything anymore. and you see a boy who has been failed on every level. when he said i don't feel anything anymore, kids will go to great lengths to feel something and i feel like somebody needs to intervene on his behalf in the right way. >> that's what bothers me about this. look, these bullies have parents. where are the parents? look, if your child is a bully, it is your job to know your child is a bully. it's your job to know that and intervene at that level as a parent. it's your job to talk to the school. it's your job -- >> i have talked to a lot of parents who have tried to intervene with the parents of bullies and the parents don't recognize it as a problem. >> that's what i'm saying, they
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don't see it. because a lot of times it's modelled in the home. there's aggressive behavior in the home, either verbally or physically, and that becomes the norm. >> we can't control what happens in the homes but we can control what happens in the school. we can push for more empathy and understanding and that's where we have a chance to make an impact. >> do you agree with lee that the school -- yes, it would be great if people could fix families but the school is the place to address this, at least it's the most obvious place -- not that it is easy but easiest place to address it? >> yeah. i think changing the hearts and minds of people is almost a fruitless enterprise. i think you have to institute it in the schools, and there has to be real -- there has to be real consequences for the kids that bully. these kids are not shot out of a vacuum. they come from a home that instills certain values and certain behaviors and there's nothing we can do about it.
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