so you keep stuffing yourselves full of herman cain. soon your tummy will be a gassy mess and you will go to bed and have bad dreams. in the morning, you'll wake up and say, today i'm eating a nice salad. >> all right. so you got to give them, the jokes are pretty good. there's no pizza, it's easy if you try, on the list. we'll see you at 10:00 p.m. eastern tonight. thanks for watching. "piers morgan tonight" starts right now. >> thanks very much, anderson. i'll see you in las vegas tomorrow night. with all the cnn anchors in sin city at once, can i remind you what happens in vegas will stay in vegas, anderson. >> you can. >> one that won't be at the cnn debate, that's jon huntsman. he'll be right with us to explain why. we'll talk exclusively to mario andretti and tony kanaan about the terrible crash that killed

their friend dan wheldon. later my compelling interview with kelsey grammer who really does open up in a way i've never seen before. but for now jon huntsman joins me from new hampshire. he says he'll stay there rather than joining all the fun in las vegas. what's this all about? why are you avoiding the lure of sin city? >> well, piers, thank you for having me on. let me just say that we have a very, very important issue playing out here, and that's the viability of the new hampshire primary. why is that important? because the primary here, the first in the nation, is the window through which the american public begin to understand the candidates, who they are, what they stand for and their vision for a better america. and you begin to jeopardize that process by other states like nevada most recently leapfrogging in the process, making new hampshire virtually irrelevant as you move it forward. i say that is totally nonsense. we're going to stand with the people of new hampshire on this. we're going to speak out openly and vocally. we've chosen to boycott nevada.

the caucus system. we know the people of nevada are experiencing high unemployment, high foreclosure rates. they deserve a straight-up conversation with the candidates, but as of right now, we're standing with the people of new hampshire and boycotting not only the caucus but the debate tomorrow night. this is all about how candidates are introduced to the american people. and it's traditionally done through these early primary states. and new hampshire has been critical for a hundred years now. >> let me put it to you, though, jon huntsman. here's the issue for you. i've never seen any candidate who has got better press or had more people say he's a great guy, he'd be perfect, who was polling so low. why do you thing that is? and what can you do about it? for many people, this is -- and to use the gambling parlance in vegas, your lanst throw of the dice. you're putting all your chips on new hampshire. >> this is a vegas move, you put

it rightly. but this is where you up end the traditional politics. i like where we're going in new hampshire. all the polls show we're going up. we're in low double digits. we want a steady gradual substantive rise because that's what the people of new hampshire demand. and whoever makes it through the new hampshire primary always bursts upon the political stage with viability down market. so keep your eyes focused on new hampshire. this is where artificiality does not play well. you must have a message. you must be able to sell your vision for a better america. and the people either take it or they don't. so far after 80 town hall meetings and house parties we've had in new hampshire, i can feel it on the streets. we're beginning to connect with the people here in ways that i never would have imagined. so stay tuned to new hampshire. the viability of new hampshire as the first primary state in america must remain a tradition. this is good for the people of

new hampshire, good for candidates, a transparent process, but most importantly, piers, it's good for the american people. it is likely to be the most important election cycle of my entire lifetime. >> very briefly, jon huntsman, your father, also jon huntsman sr., he used to work with mitt romney, had some pretty scathing words about him in "the new york times." he said if you need to win that badly, i guess you just kind of do what you have to do to get a vote. what's your reaction to your father's pretty strident comment there's? >> well, i love the man. he's a man of great insight. i've rarely know him to be off the mark. on this issue he's probably dead on the mark as well. >> well, it will be fascinating to see what happens. jon huntsman, thank you very much indeed. >> piers, thanks for having me. >> you can see the cnn republican debate and on wednesday we'll talk to herman

cain who is the leading gop presidential contender, and see what really may bes him tick. for now to car racing and the terrible accident yesterday that killed top racer dan wheldon. proof how dangerous this sport is, then this video will let you know everything you need to know. >> something happens in front of you, you can never have enough reaction time. >> it's impossible. you have no time to do anything. >> 15 cars in a terrible pilot there all coming apart and catching fire and costing dan wheldon his life. he was a two-time indianapolis 500 winner. he's 33 years old and leaves a wife and two young sons, one 7 months old. joining us mario andretti. and driver tony kanaan who was in the race yesterday and in the lead when disaster struck. gentlemen, thank you very much for joining me. i can imagine that as a friend and indeed colleague of dan wheldon, this is an incredibly difficult day for you and everyone involved in this sport.

mario andretti, let me ask you, you've been in a race car, you've driven in all sorts of different tiches races. what was your reaction when you saw what happened yesterday? it seemed, even by racing standards, to be a particularly horrific accident. >> yeah, obviously, all you have to do is look at the replays. it was surreal. i had just come in -- i was pretty much the first one to go to see the car at the start of the race. so i was just getting out of my car, and i was hearing the gasps from the crowd and knowing that, you know, something was happening, obviously. and it kept on and on. it kept going and going. so i new that it was going to be, you know, a serious situation, then you know once we looked at the film, obviously, it tells the story. but it's incredible, you know, that no more than just one driver was actually hurt.

and with dan, the situation was very freakish thing where his car just flew right up into the catch fencing. the track is very well equipped with the safety walls all the way around. it's one of the few tracks that have safety walls all the way around. but he just missed the top of it. and just so unfortunate. >> and tony, let me bring you in. you were leading the race at the time. you knew dan very well as a friend and competitor. when did you realize just how bad this was? >> well, piers, when i was leading the race, obviously, like you said. and it goes yellow. my radio guy, my spotter said, it's yellow flag, crash in turn one. at this time i was in turn four. but being racing for a while, when i went through the wreck, which was probably 30 seconds later, i realized it was a mess. it looks like it was a war. pieces everywhere.

i couldn't avoid not to get any pieces on my tires underneath my car. it was pieces of cars on fire, cars flipped. it was -- in 27 years of racing, i've never seen such a big mess like that. i was pretty touched by it. at this time i had to hold myself just because, obviously, i didn't know what happened. and i was leading the race. this is part of our job. i mean, we get exposed to those kind of things every weekend that we race. it's part of racing, but it's never nice to see something like that. >> and i've got to ask you, does this make you reassess your career as a driver? you're a father yourself. there hasn't been a fatality in a race like this in a number of years in america. and indeed in formula 1 which is the european equivalent in many ways there hasn't been one since ed serna's tragic death years ago. then you see something like this and just watching it, it seemed

so awful, so kind of cataclysmic, that inevitably there are now questions about the safety of the sport and whether things should be drastically changed. what do you think about that and your own participation in such a sport now? >> as far as safety, you said it. i think we're getting better every time. the track is very well equipped. racing, it's dangerous. it's been like that for a hundred years. and to me, the day that i start thinking that this is too dangerous i think will be time to stop. i lost one of my best friends yesterday, and i know it's going to be very hard to forget. i don't think i will. it will be really hard to swallow. i will remember him every time. but as a race car driver, this is one of the things that you have to have, you have to think that it's never going to happen to you and you got to keep going. if it ever crossed my mind that this is too dangerous, i should actually go do something else -- and right now if dan wheldon was here and i was going to announce

that i was going to retire, he'd be the first to call my team owner and to take my job. i'll try to honor him as best we can on the racetrack. >> mario, you've lost friends to racing. you've seen the devastating impact this can have. you've also heard the debate about racing generally for the last four or five decades. does anything change because of what happened yesterday? >> well, i don't think so. and i think we have to realize that the bodies have been very responsible in dealing with the safety, as tony said, of the cars and the racetracks. i think it's a testament to drivers coming out of the car, you know, unscathed through, you know, horrible accidents. unfortunately, we're not totally -- you know, it's never going to be 100% safe, but we're not 100% safe just by going to

work every day, you know, or flying somewhere. so there's always the spectrum, the freakish situation. but on the plus side is that the sport with every incident will analyze every aspect of it as to, you know, what can we do better, what can we do different. this is not something that you forget and go on to the next -- you know, to the next race and then don't do anything about it. it's going to be very well investigated by all of us. all of us will have an opinion about it. and maybe some things will have to be done differently, but again, everyone is very responsible, and i must say again that looking at the amount of exposure that we have, week in and week out, and the amount of -- thousands and thousands of

miles that have been run on the track, racing and test iing, i think we're really proud of our safety record. again, you know, i wish we could be 100% shield from danger, but nothing is in life. and when you lose somebody that's really close to home like we do, it hits you in a very special way. you know, but again, you know, dan was a racer. and if he -- you know, if he -- >> he was. mario, i'm sore to have to jump in. we have to leave it there. everybody who does the sport knows the dangers. it is thankfully not very often that we have to deal with this kind of tragedy. dan was a hero. a remarkable sportsman. his legacy should be of his fantastic legacy, not anything that happened yesterday. our thoughts to all his friends

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kelsey grammer is one of the most talked about, one of the most famous, one of the most beloved faces in american television history. he joins me now. you are, aren't you? you've been part of the american television consciousness for so long. you must walk around the street and everyone goes hey, kelsey. everyone must think they know you. >> well, those things do happen. those events do take place. sometimes it's hey, frasier, but more often than not, it's hey, kelsey. >> do you like the kind of mass attention you still get? or i've done it, i just want to just go and -- >> it's always pleasant. it's always flatter. it's always meant in an optimistic kind of affectionate way. so i take it that way and return the compliment actually. >> you enjoy the status of television icon? >> sure. i've be a fool to say i didn't. >> i would. let's be honest with you. odd thing about you -- and i mean this in the best sense -- i

don't think i've ever had an american television star sit here who openly admits to being a republican. >> oh, well, you know. >> you're that guy. >> i'm that guy. >> i think musicians -- i don't think i've ever had a tv person. normally the world of television is just infused with liberals. and most movie star, i'd say. >> i think you're right about that. i'm a bit of a rebel. i don't tend to warm too well to people that tell me how i'm supposed to think. so my life in hollywood, i'm afraid i was destined to be a republican. >> how does it go down with all your famous friends? is it lonely out there? >> pretty lonely, but they seem to tolerate me somehow, because i can at least state myself eloquently and without -- without actually kind of assuming the veneer of what they assume is what a republican is some kind of nasty, strange villain that, you know, should be vilified and hated.

>> it's obvious that has become the way republicanism is now perceived in this country. you know, you are either extremely with them, with all that appears to entail, or you're completely against them. but they're very divisive. to say you're a republican now divides people immediately. you go back 30 years, it wasn't like that. >> the tone of political assessment has changed. honestly, the battle for the hearts and the minds of the american people has taken on a bit more of a violent and narrow approach. i mean, you have to actually make sure that nobody swallows anything of what you are in order to ensure that you get their vote. so it's very easy to understand why you'd want to make somebody hateful. >> are you sympathetic to the tea party element of the republicans? or is that a step too far? >> i'm sympathetic to some of the principles, but i'm not sure that the tea party has behavioral problems other than

the ones that have been identified by people who are inimical to them. i'm not sure i would say anything that they object to, i've just been told they're lunatics. >> nothing they say be obje objectable to them. >> lower taxes are a good idea. always have. so that's what i know they talk about. >> are you as violently opposed to, say, gay marriage as so many of the tea party candidates? >> i don't think the tea party is -- >> most of them are, yeah. >> against. >> against gay marriage. >> then i wouldn't sign on to that. >> so there are issues there that you wouldn't agree with. >> absolutely, yeah. >> because you played a famous gay character. >> i'm afraid so. >> you'd be banning yourself? >> no, i've always believed -- i guess i'm more libertarian in that way. i think marriage is between two people that love each other. if you find a church that you want to get married in, go

ahead. >> we'll talk to your expertise in marriage later. if only you'd married a good british girl earlier, all this do have been saved. >> exactly. >> as you say, people i guess see you as a comic actor. you were born in the virgin island, you grew up in florida, at 18 you leave the family in florida and go to new york, the juilliard school. very prestigious. you did do the hard yards of theatrical training to be a serious actor. >> for a couple of year, then they kicked me out. >> who was your inspiration then. >> oh, gosh, laurence olivier and gregory peck, jimmy stewart, john wayne. >> the greats. >> the greats. >> did you ever imagine at that stage when you were at the juilliard, you were looking around all these talented people, presumably, did you ever imagine in your wildest dreams or maybe nightmares the level of fame that you would one day get through acting? >> no. it's funny.

there was something -- i did believe that i was going to be successful as an actor. and i did realize that if you're successful as an actor, it might come along with fringe benefits, i guess, or peripheral anxieties. >> stage acting is kind of great because you go out every night and you get instant reaction from an audience. it's normally pretty good. a good play or whatever it may be, a good musical, they're cheering you, and you go off and feel fantastic. the worst thing about television is the terrible wait. i've made shows and they take months to make. then there's thistarible buildup. in the back of your mind all you're thinking is this could tank, and then what? >> well, i've had that experience, too. >> "frasier" like "cheers" they were phenomenal shows, popular, global shows. when you first started making them, did you get an inkling early on, this is going to be

huge, it's going to change my life, or did it just happen? >> well, i'll tell you a story that david hyde pierce has repeated. after we shot the pilot, we got a standing ovation and everything went away. and we all felt pretty good about it. he said he said to me, so what do you think? what does this mean? and i said, for you? it means you're going to buy a really nice house. and then he said, well, what does it mean for you? it means i'm probably going to buy a couple. you do have a sense -- you know when you know. you can tell. and there's a beauty about releasing it to the public to just saying, okay, here it is. love it or hate it. we did our best. and you know, honestly, that's all i've done my whole life in my career, is just done my best. sometimes it fell short. and sometimes i've been really happy with it. >> let's take another break. i don't want to take you out of this utopian thing. >> that's all right.

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my special guest kelsey grammer. when i researched your life for this interview, i could almost at times barely believe what i

was reading about the stuff that's happened to you, the really bad stuff. most people go through life and they have a bit of trauma along the way. i apologize in advance for going through this in almost like a list form, but when i read that your parents divorced when you were 2, your father who you had barely seen since then was shot and killed. in 1975 your younger sister karen was abducted, raped and murdered, she was 18. in 1980 your younger twin half-brothers died in a scuba diving accident. in 2001 kroor cles friend producer of "frasier" died in the 9/11 attacks. i got to the end of this and i didn't know, to be honest with you, how you had even come through that. i don't know how any human being comes through that kind of thing. i mean, put it in some kind of overall context for me, to be hit by so much tragedy. >> well, we touched on it a little bit before, though i was being general. and one that's really important is my granddad died, too, when

is was 12. he raised me. that was the -- that was the big impact until my sister was killed, of course. that one just seemed like an absurd topping on the situation that i thought was just impossible. and it was that incident that sort of propelled me into a -- at least a phase. i mean, i lost faith. when i was a boy -- it's sort of like that old walt whitman poem about everything a boy saw he became. i had a love affair with the universe. with a blade of grass, with a rising sun, went surfing, i used to surf all the time when i was a kid. my life was a joy. it was a joyful experience. it was full of sort of affirmation and encouragement, and i loved being alive. and i was consciously in love with being alive. and then these deaths took place. you know, these deaths occurred.

and when i lost gordon i went very quiet for a long time. that's my granddad. and i didn't really speak to anybody for a couple of months. >> he'd been the father figure. >> he was my father, yeah, basically. and when i finally sat one night -- this is in ft. lauderdale where we had moved. and i got this overwhelming sense that i was just going to be alone for the rest of my life. which made me kind of sad. and when i was 18, i packed it all up and went to julliard to find my fortune, whatever. but it was that year, two years later, actually, when karen was killed, that, you know, sent me into kind of a tailspin. and it was a horrible nightmare for her. i mean, it was. the three young men that abducted her, raped her repeatedly, said that she would, you know, maybe they'd let her go. this, this, and more

documentation about what happened. and i being the big brother i'd always been thought that i had some responsibility for that. and that haunted me for, well, at least 20 years, that notion. >> it makes so much more sense to me, the kind of slightly chaotic relationships that you had and the kind of -- the descent into drugs and alcohol and so on, it all makes much more sense when you understand what you've been through. >> sure, yeah. >> it doesn't surprise me. >> yeah. i think after the success came, you know, robin williams had that great saying about saying, you know, cocaine's god's way of telling you you're making too much money. >> you trained with him. >> yeah, we were together in school. but once success came -- what really compounded my difficulties in some of that was simply that i didn't feel like i was worth it. that i didn't deserve that kind

of success, that kind of reward, that kind of -- well, what you say about me, you know, this popular face on television. i'm okay with it now. >> if you think about it, is there actually a reality to this? i mean, you were earning squillions, you had the fast cars and the beautiful women. for a while, it must be fun, despite everything else. >> absolutely. i would be a fool to tell you i wasn't having a good time. >> i talk to people going through this and it was terrible. no, it wasn't. if it was that bad, you wouldn't have been doing it. >> cocaine was too much for me. >> what was the wake-up moment? >> there were several along the way. where i'd sit there and say, you got to stop. this has got to stop. but it's hard to do that with cocaine. it's insidious and it's wonderful, that's the problem. >> how did you manage to stop in the end? >> actually, i did go to betty

ford and that helped. and the best thing that they said, actually, was how's it been working for you? that's what i thought. well, you spend a month here and maybe you'll figure a way to do thins a little differently. honestly that was the turning point in terps of me being able to take charge of my life again. because i do -- i do all kinds of things. i still have a wonderful, fun kind of approach to life. i do not -- i don't do cocaine any more. >> do you drink alcohol? >> i have a drink sometimes, yeah. >> you can drink in moderation? >> yes. but be ever mindful that you had a relationship with it in the past that can cause some trouble. so you have to, you know, be careful. >> we'll take another break and come back and talk about how you got on your feet and just dabble slightly in marriage and divorce. >> okay. >> because you are something of an expert in this area, kelsey. i'm not a number.

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here with kelsey grammer. let's talk love, marriage and divorce. >> all right. >> i don't know what order you do it in. but you've already explained in a very, i think, profound way why you think you drifted into, i guess what turned out to be inappropriate relationships. but at the time maybe didn't seem so inappropriate. did you struggle for a long time to have any meaningful relationship because of all the drugs, the partying and everything else? was it all inconsequential at the time? how did it feel to you? >> it's interesting. i spent oh maybe about eight

years not really settles down with anybody. having peripheral relationships with people. i was mostly focused on acting, trying to get a job, doing some work. and then when i came to new york, i met a girl. i was 28 years old. and i thought, i'm tired of this. i actually want to settle down and have a child. i'd like to start a family. so i met my first wife. >> doreen. >> doreen. it went pretty poorly. >> this lasted -- well. >> it lasted a year. but it took a long time to get divorced, which is interesting. about a five-year divorce, actually. >> huh a great daughter spencer. >> a fantastic child spencer. >> now it was your second marriage, this starts to really deteriorate. you married the stripper lee ann. >> shawani. >> in 1992. that lasted a year. >> a year.

>> lots of allegations of abuse, she fired a gun at you. this was "the national enquirer" for real. >> oh, it was horrible, yeah. it was horrible. >> did she fire a gun at you? >> that was another night. that was before i married her. >> you married her after she shot at you? >> yeah, this is -- >> was that not a warning sign? >> it was certainly a shot across the bow. >> i'm thinking twice about the marriage. >> so that fell apart pretty quickly. then i met my third wife. and what's funny is i didn't see the -- i didn't see the similarities at first, but all the same impulses came up about, oh, i could really help her. you know -- >> this is camille? >> yeah, i can save her. give her some sort of refuge. i think in the long run -- i mean, it's difficult to have anybody hear this, but i think

it wasn't really a relationship based upon love. it was a relationship based upon appearances. and it was good for me to basically, you know, at least try to settle down and have a normal relationship. and so i sort of dedicated myself to that without realizing that i needed to have a profound love to really pull that off. and so -- >> and what was bizarre about the whole thg was it was all being played out on television. >> everything's played out on television. >> she was in "the real housewirchs of beverly hills." you would pop in and out. the whole unraveling of that marriage. imagine for you to always run away from that kind of attention on your private life. >> right. >> this must have been like hell, wasn't it? >> i have to tell you, "the real housewives" was my parting gift to her. whether or not it worked out out well for her doesn't matter. it was my way of saying, you always wanted to be famous. here you go.

everybody knows that reality shows are not a great bay weigh to become famous. you still get attention and get all the things that come along for the ride, which i think she was most interested in. that was the gift. i knew when it came up, we'd be saying good-bye. i remember having one conversation where i said, well, don't worry about it. after the first season you can do the divorced wives of beverly hills next season. >> you weren't really joking. >> no, i wasn't. >> quite early on in the marriage, you said that camille was the most profound, the most rewarding, the most honest relationship of your life and that it was love at first sight for you. >> no, i think what i was trying to do was sell it to myself. you know, knowing that i didn't really have many more chances at something like that in my mind. and i thought that this was the kind of relationship i should try to have. and it just -- there was the still small voice in the back of my head saying, this isn't going

to work. but i stuck to it. >> how are thins between you now? because you've got two children. it's been, to put it mildly, messy, and you pretty well kept your dignified counsel. but how are things? >> not very good. >> you have no contact? >> we have no dialogue. there have been some very unfortunate incidents, public incidents in front of the children, stuff like that we'd like to -- i'd like to avoid. there have been some attacks on kate, which aren't particularly interesting but i guess, you know, people say all kinds of things. but none of those are true. and we've had some difficult moments. the only thing that i've ever really wanted was to try to work out something that would be nice for the kids, but -- >> how is your relationship with them? >> oh, it's great. >> do you get plenty of access? >> well, they're doing their best to actually make that

difficult for me right now. here's the thing, listen. through a divorce really almost from first day we were married. it stayed that way for a long time. i give a piece of advice to women who say i want a divorce as some sort of tactic. because if you say i want a divorce enough types you're going to get one. >> do you think she married you because you were kelsey grammer tv icon? >> i think she married me because i was frasier. >> really? simple as that. >> i think it was frasier. he had this great wonderful life. he was stylish and -- >> great personality. >> and all that stuff. just a little gay. and he was famous. you know. kelsey grammer was a different story. you got home and kelsey grammer was somebody different. and you know, she said quite a few ugly things. and it's not so bad that she says them publicly, but i know what happens is she's actually saying them in front of the kids at home. >> what's been the worst thing, the most hurtful thing she said

about you. >> i haven't been keeping track about everything. >> if there's one you thing about, what's the thing that really stung you? what do you hate being called the most? what's the most unfair labeling? >> she once said that i didn't want my daughter. that pissed me off. >> yeah, well, it would, wouldn't it? >> yeah. >> because the one thing that i sense with you is you're a very committed father. >> yeah. >> you've been a fairly hopeless husband. >> yes. >> from time to time with the various wives and some have been pretty useless wives but you throughout it has been a conscientious, loving father. >> yeah. >> so that thing must really hurt. >> the thing that hurt me the most that hurt both kate and me, actually, was the thing about our lost -- the child we lost. >> because kate's pregnant. >> something about it being karma. >> see, that's just a vicious thing to say. >> that's just disgusting.

so i guess that's all i have to say. >> let's have a break. let's make things happier here. let's bring things up to current day and to your new wife kate. you finally went british. as i said at the start of this interview, if you'd just gone british earlier, kelsey, you could have saved yourself a lot of aggravation. [ male announcer ] humana and p d medicare prescription dru. ♪ with the lowest nationalpl. ♪ ...and copaysas low a. ♪ ...saving on medicare pr. ♪ so you're free to focus os that really matter. call humana at 1-800-808-4003. or go to walmart.com for details.

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you all think i'm just a little slipper? am i a good boy? i am running with scissors. >> the brilliant "cheers," of course, from paramount, again. "cheers" is appropriate really because we've come to that point of the interview where things

take a happy turn. you're on a flight to new york from england. where are you flying when you meet kate? >> when i met kate. i was on a flight to england. >> to england from new york. >> from los angeles. >> from los angeles. >> yeah. >> and a virgin atlantic flight. she's a stewardess on one of richard branson's beautiful stewardesses. >> yes. >> i've been on many flights. and there have been many beautiful stewardesses, particularly on virgin atlantic, none has given me a second look. what was it about you on this flight. what magic did you weave? because kate is a beautiful young lady as anyone can see here. >> i'll have to set the stage a little bit. i had a heart attack three years ago. it was after the heart attack, about a month after the heart attack, my mother died. and i had just a horrible day with the ex, threatening divorce again and screaming about how it was all over. and i thought, my mother just died. what's wrong with you? and i suddenly realized -- and i've said this before to a press

person and they actually said -- i said it first. i said to myself in my head, i looked at my life and i thought, is this the last story you want your life to tell? and i said no. now, granted, it took me another two years. but about a year and a half after that moment, camille started seeing somebody. and i even encouraged it. i thought, you know what? go find your happiness because you are not happy with me. that's where it was. and i was doing that show. i got this phone call. are you interested in playing george in "la cage aw foal"? come to england and see what you think of the production. and i knew the minute i got that phone call, that my life was going to change completely and that i was -- that somebody else was happening. and when i walked through l.a.x, i spotted a girl. >> like a movie script.

>> it was amazing. i spotted a girl who just looked to me to be magnificent. and it wasn't just that she was attractive or that she had, you know, obvious assets. there was a warmth a glow about her, that i was drawn to. and i thought, boy, i hope she's on my flight. and when we got on the plane she sort of walked down the other aisle, she was there. i hope she's working on my side of the plane. and there was this one moment where we smiled at each other, and i thought, i gotta talk to her. we started talking. >> does she know who you were? >> i think she knew who i was, but she didn't know who i am. i found her so charming and warm and interesting and lovely. and i guess there was a sort of freshness about my persona at the time that was attractive enough to her to make her think

it would be worth meeting for a cup of coffee. as i walked down through the lobby of the hotel i was in, i turned and looked at the bar and i thought, that's just a pickup joint. it's not the right place for us to have this moment. and so i walked to the middle of the street, it was christmas, it was magnificent. there were lights everywhere, there was a nip in the air, and this vision comes up from the tube stop in front of harvey nichols and puts on a little lipstick. i thought, oh, my god, she's the cutest thing i've ever seen. i said, i want to take a walk it doesn't feel right to be in there. we took a walk to hyde park. there was a christmas fair going on. we got on the ferris wheel, and i looked at her and i thought -- i have to go back for one second. for the last several years, i've

been saying to one particular friend of mine. i don't care if i ever have sex again, i just want to be kissed. i want somebody to kiss me once again in my life and mean it. and i looked at her in that moment, and i thought, i'm going to try. >> don't leave it there. >> i told you i wouldn't cry. so i leaned in and kissed her. and we've been together ever since. >> one of the most romantic things i've ever heard. >> the snow started to fall as we walked across the street together. it was insane, it was like all the planets had danced together in a segregated charm. and it was messy, it's been difficult since then. kate was uncertain about -- you know, i was trying to do something, some noble gesture to make the destruction of the previous marriage go easier

somehow. and that was a mistake. that was just a mistake, i should have walked home and said, we're done, you can finally have everything you wanted and i found a new life. >> it takes a strong woman to put up with all the mess that was around your life. >> absolutely. >> and to stick with it, and to end up marrying you, your fourth wife. you're not an easy sell to a family. >> no. >> what is it that you you think enabled her to deal with all of this? >> she believes in love. >> i hope you still fly virgin atlantic. if richard branson hears this story -- >> we just went to england to visit her family and our new niece who was just born to kate's brother and sister-in-law. and i love this new family i'm part of. i'm -- i lament the fact that i'm not being allowed to see my children as much as i would like to. we're going to iron that out, it's onward and upward.

>> true love will concur all. i think you've found true love. >> let's have a little break, come back for our last segment and talk about boss for a moment. i can't tell you more about this romance. ♪

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if i didn't know better, i would say you've been contriving the space before me. the only thing you're missing is heft. here i am. >> what do you want from me? >> you'll know when it comes up. >> that's a clip from kelsey grammar's new series "boss." it's a proper role for you. >> yeah. >> are you enjoying it? >> it was a presumptive going to work every day. the fellow that wrote it -- i hope they don't go through some kind of emotional upset because it's not frazier, because it's so clearly not that -- it's just a completely different venture, and he's a violent, vile,

fascinating. >> charismatic -- >> loving, charismatic creature. >> do you like him or not? >> i love him. i love his fight. he's a fighter. he's courageous. >> isn't that you in the end? >> absolutely. >> you're a fighter really? >> you've been through stuff that would have finished off lots of people. here you are, and you've done it because in the end you fought your way to where you got to. >> you don't quit. >> quite a life you've had? >> yeah. >> do you feel lucky to have ended up where you are? >> i feel lucky. i've been lucky all through it. in the darkest days, a friend of mine had a great phrase for it. he said, he was a chronic, horrible awful relationship with booze and women and all kinds of things. and he said, in one moment, i cried out to the god of my childhood. that alwaysn