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>> it's always pleasant. it's always flatter. it's always meant in an optimistic kind of affectionate i didn't pay a penny out of pocket for my power chair. way. so i take it that way and return the compliment actually. >> you enjoy the status of with help from the scooter store, medicare and my television icon? >> sure. insurance covered it all. call the scooter store for free information today. i've be a fool to say i didn't. >> i would. let's be honest with you. odd thing about you -- and i mean this in the best sense -- i don't think i've ever had an american television star sit here who openly admits to being a republican. >> oh, well, you know. >> you're that guy. >> i'm that guy. >> i think musicians -- i don't think i've ever had a tv person. normally the world of television is just infused with liberals. and most movie star, i'd say. >> i think you're right about that. i'm a bit of a rebel. i don't tend to warm too well to people that tell me how i'm supposed to think. so my life in hollywood, i'm afraid i was destined to be a republican. >> how does it go down with all

your famous friends? is it lonely out there? >> pretty lonely, but they seem to tolerate me somehow, because i can at least state myself eloquently and without -- without actually kind of assuming the veneer of what they assume is what a republican is some kind of nasty, strange villain that, you know, should be vilified and hated. >> it's obvious that has become the way republicanism is now perceived in this country. you know, you are either extremely with them, with all that appears to entail, or you're completely against them. but they're very divisive. to say you're a republican now divides people immediately. you go back 30 years, it wasn't like that. >> the tone of political assessment has changed. honestly, the battle for the hearts and the minds of the american people has taken on a bit more of a violent and narrow approach. kelsey, i've recovered now. let's talk about a proper, i mean, you have to actually

serious, meaty acting role. make sure that nobody swallows are you really enjoying it? anything of what you are in order to ensure that you get their vote. so it's very easy to understand >> the stuff that i've been why you'd want to make somebody given to say has been hateful. extraordinary. i think people will be quite startled by it. i hope they don't go through some kind of emotional upset because it's not "frazier." it's so clearly not that it's just a completely different >> as you say, people i guess adventure and he is a violent, see you as a comic actor. you were born in the virgin island, you grew up in florida, at 18 you leave the family in florida and go to new york, the juilliard school. vile, fascinating, loving, very prestigious. you did do the hard yards of theatrical training to be a serious actor. >> for a couple of year, then they kicked me out. >> who was your inspiration charismatic creature. then. >> do you like him or not? >> did you ever imagine at that >> i love him. stage when you were at the juilliard, you were looking i love his fight. around all these talented people, presumably, did you ever he's a fighter. imagine in your wildest dreams he's a courageous son of a or maybe nightmares the level of fame that you would one day get bitch. through acting? he won't quit. >> no. it's funny. >> isn't that you in the end? >> absolutely. there was something -- i did >> you're a fighter really. you've been through stuff that would have finished off lots of believe that i was going to be people. successful as an actor. here you are as happy as i've and i did realize that if you're certainly ever seen you.

successful as an actor, it might you've done it because in the come along with fringe benefits, end you fought your way to where you got to. >> you don't quit. i guess, or peripheral anxieties. you quit some things when you realize that path is done. >> stage acting is kind of great i just think that's prudent. because you go out every night and you get instant reaction from an audience. you give it your best shot always and things don't turn out it's normally pretty good. a good play or whatever it may in your favor, something else will. be, a good musical, they're >> what a life you've had. cheering you, and you go off and do you feel lucky to have ended feel fantastic. up -- the worst thing about television is the terrible wait. >> i've felt lucky all through i've made shows and they take it, even in the darkest day. months to make. a friend of mine had a great then there's this terrible buildup. in the back of your mind all you're thinking is this could tank, and then what? phrase for it. >> well, i've had that he said -- he was a chronic, experience, too. >> "frasier" like "cheers" they horrible, awful relationship were phenomenal shows, popular, with booze and women and all global shows. kinds of things and he said in one moment i cried out to the when you first started making them, did you get an inkling early on, this is going to be good of my childhood. huge, it's going to change my that always inspired me. life, or did it just happen? when you cry out, there is an answer. and that's been my experience. >> well, i'll tell you a story that david hyde pierce has >> do you feel for the first

repeated. time you've gone back to the joy of life had you as a young boy? after we shot the pilot, we got >> yes. it is remarkably the same. a standing ovation and >> kelsey, it's been a real pleasure. everything went away. and we all felt pretty good >> thank you. >> thank you very much. >> thanks. about it. he said, he said to me, so what do you think? what does this mean? and i said, for you? but you go in pieces. [ female announcer ] you can't pass mom's inspection it means you're going to buy a really nice house. with lots of pieces left behind. that's why there's charmin ultra strong. and then he said, well, what does it mean for you? it means i'm probably going to buy a couple. versus the ultra rippled brand. you do have a sense -- you know so it holds up better for a more dependable clean. when you know. you can tell. fewer pieces left behind. i go in peace. and there's a beauty about yes, you do my little alien. releasing it to the public to [ female announcer ] we all go. why not enjoy the go with charmin ultra strong? just saying, okay, here it is. love it or hate it. we did our best. when i researched your life for this interview, i could almost at times barely believe what i was reading about the stuff that's happened to you, the really bad stuff. most people go through life and they have a bit of trauma along the way. i apologize in advance for going through this in almost like a list form, but when i read that consumers er wanchai ferry orange chicken... over p.f. chang's home menu orange chicken

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and that haunted me for, well, at least 20 years, that notion. >> it makes so much more sense to me, the kind of slightly chaotic relationships that you had and the kind of -- the descent into drugs and alcohol and so on, it all makes much she's made films, records more sense when you understand and even a novel and her second what you've been through. novel is out now. >> sure, yeah. >> it doesn't surprise me. >> yeah. i think after the success came, at 24 she's getting ready for what may be her biggest challenge yet. you know, robin williams had that great saying about saying, that's motherhood. congratulations. you know, cocaine's god's way of telling you you're making too much money. a little boy i hear. >> you trained with him. >> yes. >> yeah, we were together in school. >> how are you feeling? >> i feel great actually. i hear horror stories about early pregnancy and it's been a but once success came -- what really compounded my breeze for me so i'm one of the lucky ones. difficulties in some of that was >> when you look at yourself, do simply that i didn't feel like i you feel irritated, do you feel proud? was worth it. that i didn't deserve that kind do you feel it's a different time, a different world? what do you feel? of success, that kind of reward, >> i feel like across the years that kind of -- well, what you it's been like mixed emotions. say about me, you know, this popular face on television. right when i finished the show i i'm okay with it now. was really ready to prove i was hillary duff and i started

singing and doing a lot of things to separate myself. >> if you think about it, is now as i'm older and i have accomplished so much and people know me as hillary and not lizzie,now i embrace where i came from. it was such a massive show and affected so many people and made me who i was. i would not have my career now without that. so it's more funny i think now that i'm older to look back and see it and not feel irritated. >> is it a curse? because when you're a child star at 13, it must all seem incredibly exciting. and then there comes that moment when you just really want to grow up and people don't want you to. you're kind of stuck there until you can break out. >> what i turned about 18 or 19, i was really ready to stop being seen in this like perfect light. and i really -- it's just not in >> if you think about it, is there actually a reality to my personality to go rail this? i mean, you were earning squillions, you had the fast against who i am and do cars and the beautiful women. something outrageous so for a while, it must be fun, people -- despite everything else. >> absolutely. i would be a fool to tell you i wasn't having a good time. >> normally what happens when >> i talk to people going people get to 19 they go through this and it was terrible. completely crazy. no, it wasn't. if it was that bad, you wouldn't have been doing it. >> cocaine was too much for me. we have the drugs, the booze,

>> what was the wake-up moment? the sexual exploits in vegas. >> there were several along the what happened to you? way. where i'd sit there and say, you got to stop. this has got to stop. >> you know what, it's just not but it's hard to do that with in my character. cocaine. it's insidious and it's i fought really hard to prove wonderful, that's the problem. that there's a different way. >> how did you manage to stop in the end? it might have been a more slow >> actually, i did go to betty ford and that helped. and steady route but i think i figured it out. and the best thing that they >> how do you avoid it? you're getting all this money, all this fame. said, actually, was how's it for a young person i always been working for you? think it's incredibly difficult. that's what i thought. it never surprises me when young well, you spend a month here and people go off the rails when they become really famous. maybe you'll figure a way to do when i was 18, 19, i remember things a little differently. what i was like. honestly that was the turning i was having a crazy time with no money and no fame. point in terms of me being able to take charge of my life again. add those two cocktails to the list. it would have been a disaster. because i do -- i do all kinds of things. i totally understand it. i still have a wonderful, fun >> you know what, the thing is i kind of approach to life. had a very strict -- my mom gave me a lot of freedom but she i do not -- i don't do cocaine didn't -- i didn't get to behave any more. a certain way. >> do you drink alcohol? i showed up on time for work and >> i have a drink sometimes, yeah. she made me aware constantly >> you can drink in moderation? that this is a job and there >> yes.

but be ever mindful that you had are, you know, 2,000 other girls a relationship with it in the ready to take your spot as soon past that can cause some trouble. so you have to, you know, be careful. >> we'll take another break and come back and talk about how you got on your feet and just dabble slightly in marriage and as you're disrespecting people or getting too big for yourself, divorce. she was very adamant about that. >> you came to hollywood with your mom when you were 9. >> okay. >> yes, and my sister. >> did your mom always have this inkling you had what it took? >> because you are something of an expert in this area, kelsey. >> i don't think so. i think every parent thinks but for some of us with overactive bladder, their kid is adorable and our pipes just don't work as well as they should. perfect and could be on tv, but sometimes, i worry my pipes might leak. my sister and i really showed but i learned there's something more i can do. interest in this and dedication now, i take care with vesicare. and she's like how can i tell my kids no, you know. it's the same as kids that are going into sports. once-daily vesicare can help control your bladder muscle parents support them and push them and it was kind of just like that. and is proven to treat overactive bladder >> do you feel you missed out on anything. with symptoms of frequent urges and leaks day and night. >> of course, yeah. >> what do you feel that you missed out on? if you have certain stomach or glaucoma problems, >> stupid things like passing or trouble emptying your bladder, notes in school and having a do not take vesicare. vesicare may cause allergic reactions that may be serious. locker and riding the bus. really stupid things. if you experience swelling of the face, lips, but at the time i felt once i throat or tongue, stop taking vesicare and get emergency help. tell your doctor right away if you have severe abdominal pain, started touring and my life -- or become constipated for three or more days. it was -- you're very isolated.

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i mean, there's such an obsession with people's private lives that i really don't think was there before. the paparazzi wasn't as bad. and these shows about digging into people's lives and wanting to embarrass everybody and show that we're human beings, too, it's just so invasive and it's just a different business than it used to be. consumers er wanchai ferry orange chicken... >> what is the least perfect thing about you? over p.f. chang's home menu orange chicken women i was really struggling to find anything. men and uh pandas... >> you know, the public really elbows mmm has this perception of me that i'm perfect. [ male announcer ] wanchai ferry, try it yourself. and it's just so crazy because -- >> you nearly are. whoa. i mean, i couldn't find anything. whoa. how do you top great vacations? normally my journalistic are whoa. brilliant. getting twice the points on great vacations. i latch on to some tiny chink in whoa! the perfect armor. use chase sapphire preferred and now get two times the points on travel, and two times the angel, holo slips. for you the holo is on your head. >> supposedly i've had a bunch of feuds and i called fay the points on dining and no foreign transaction fees. dunaway something mean. >> what did you call fay whoa! chase sapphire preferred. a card of a different color. apply now at chasesapphire.com/preferred

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no. >> you married her after she you making fun of me? shot at you? >> yeah, this is -- yes. >> was that not a warning sign? [ male announcer ] head & shoulders. 7 benefits. 1 bottle. >> it was certainly a shot across the bow. [ male announcer ] head & shoulders. >> i'm thinking twice about the marriage. fore! no matter what small business you are in, >> so that fell apart pretty quickly. managing expenses seems to... get in the way. then i met my third wife. not anymore. and what's funny is i didn't see ink, the small business card from chase introduces jot the -- i didn't see the an on-the-go expense app made exclusively for ink customers. similarities at first, but all custom categorize your expenses anywhere. the same impulses came up about, save time and get back to what you love. oh, i could really help her. you know -- the latest innovation. only for ink customers. learn more at chase.com/ink >> this is camille? >> yeah, i can save her. give her some sort of refuge. i think in the long run -- i mean, it's difficult to have anybody hear this, but i think it wasn't really a relationship based upon love. it was a relationship based upon appearances. and it was good for me to

basically, you know, at least try to settle down and have a normal relationship. and so i sort of dedicated myself to that without realizing that i needed to have a profound love to really pull that off. and so -- >> and what was bizarre about the whole thing was it was all being played out on television. >> everything's played out on television. >> she was in "the real housewives of beverly hills." you would pop in and out. the whole unraveling of that marriage. imagine for you to always run away from that kind of attention on your private life. >> right. >> this must have been like hell, wasn't it? >> i have to tell you, "the real housewives" was my parting gift to her. whether or not it worked out out well for her doesn't matter. it was my way of saying, you always wanted to be famous. here you go. everybody knows that reality shows are not a great way to become famous. you still get attention and get all the things that come along for the ride, which i think she

was most interested in. that was the gift. i knew when it came up, we'd be saying good-bye. i remember having one conversation where i said, well, don't worry about it. after the first season you can do the divorced wives of beverly hills next season. >> you weren't really joking. >> no, i wasn't. >> do you believe in love at first sight? >> quite early on in the marriage, you said that camille was the most profound, the most rewarding, the most honest >> i'll let you know. >> but i've seen you before. relationship of your life and that it was love at first sight for you. >> yes. >> how could i have seen you before and not know who you are >> no, i think what i was trying now? to do was sell it to myself. you know, knowing that i didn't >> maybe you were looking but really have many more chances at you weren't really seeing. something like that in my mind. >> that was hilary duff in a cinderella story that made more and i thought that this was the kind of relationship i should than $70 million worldwide. try to have. not bad. >> not too shabby. and it just -- there was the >> not as much as you made from still small voice in the back of your music and your books. you've made a lot of money, my head saying, this isn't going haven't you? >> i have. >> staggering sums of money. to work. how rich are you? but i stuck to it. >> how are thins between you now? >> my mom taught me not to talk about money. >> give me a ballpark? because you've got two children. it's been, to put it mildly, >> really, no way, huh-uh. i have done quite well. messy, and you pretty well kept your dignified counsel. >> back to faye dunaway.

but how are things? i had no idea about this. >> not very good. basically you were up for the remake of bonnie and clyde and >> you have no contact? >> we have no dialogue. faye dunaway shoves her four there have been some very pennies worth in and says i wish they were looking for a real actress. unfortunate incidents, public incidents in front of the i suppose most young actresses children, stuff like that we'd like to -- i'd like to avoid. thought that's faye dunaway, i'd better be respectful. it you piled in big-time and there have been some attacks on said to her -- kate, which aren't particularly interesting but i guess, you >> no you can read off your blackberry. know, people say all kinds of things. >> you basically said if you but none of those are true. looked like faye dunaway, you and we've had some difficult would be feeling pretty angry too. moments. >> do you like that? the only thing that i've ever >> i love that that was really wanted was to try to work fantastically bitchy. out something that would be nice i loved it. for the kids, but -- did it have the desired effect? >> how is your relationship with them? >> oh, it's great. >> she came back and said i never made that comment and >> do you get plenty of access? blah, blah, blah. >> well, they're doing their it really got a lot of press best to actually make that when i said that because i have difficult for me right now. here's the thing, listen. been a punching bag and i understand why i could have through a divorce really almost been. from first day we were married. >> you thought enough. >> there's no reason why people it stayed that way for a long time. i give a piece of advice to can say comments and expect no retaliation. women who say i want a divorce as some sort of tactic. i mean, why would she say that

because if you say i want a to me? >> he probably doesn't know -- divorce enough types you're >> i couldn't agree more. going to get one. >> do you think she married you because you were kelsey grammer tv icon? now, you've married an >> i think she married me because i was frasier. >> really? incredibly wealthy hand some sporting superstar. simple as that. what attracted you to him? >> i think it was frasier. he had this great wonderful life. he was stylish and -- >> you know, he's an amazing guy. >> great personality. and i'm still lucky to have met >> and all that stuff. just a little gay. him and to have found someone i'm so compatible with. and he was famous. we have such a normal you know. relationship and household. kelsey grammer was a different story. and it's so great compared to stepping outside and kind of you got home and kelsey grammer was somebody different. what our everyday is. >> how many terrible frogs did you have to kiss? and you know, she said quite a >> quite a few. few ugly things. we were just talking about our lists earlier today. and it's not so bad that she says them publicly, but i know we tease each other all the time. what happens is she's actually saying them in front of the kids it's such a funny thing. at home. >> who had the worst list? >> him by far. >> what's been the worst thing, the most hurtful thing she said come on. about you. >> i haven't been keeping track >> you went out with two other about everything. famous people, joel madden and >> if there's one you thing aaron carter. about, what's the thing that really stung you? is it a good idea to go out with somebody famous. what do you hate being called >> does it work do you think to the most? the benefit or are there negatives. obviously you attract more what's the most unfair labeling? attention. i guess they know the kind of

circus that you're in. >> i think that's the positive >> she once said that i didn't want my daughter. part is understanding the lifestyle and how difficult it that pissed me off. is. >> yeah, well, it would, you really have that in common. wouldn't it? >> yeah. and for a while, i mean, when i >> because the one thing that i was younger, those were the only sense with you is you're a very people i was meeting. committed father. that was my world. >> yeah. how am i supposed to meet a normal guy. >> you've been a fairly hopeless husband. >> yes. >> from time to time with the that's what really attracted me various wives and some have been to my husband was that he kind pretty useless wives but you of gets it because he's in the throughout it has been a conscientious, loving father. >> yeah. >> so that thing must really sports world and they get a bit hurt. of that, but we have -- we had >> the thing that hurt me the different lives but things in common. and it was great for me to not. most that hurt both kate and me, actually, was the thing about >> blinded by this ring on your our lost -- the child we lost. finger. let me see this. >> because kate's pregnant. >> it's one of the biggest rocks >> something about it being i have ever seen. karma. that was your engagement ring. >> see, that's just a vicious thing to say. >> didn't you have kim >> that's just disgusting. kardashian on the show? >> it's way bigger. >> don't put it away so soon. so i guess that's all i have to that is huge. say. >> let's have a break. >> it's pretty good. let's make things happier here. >> is that what he gave you as an engagement ring? let's bring things up to current >> yes, it's really beautiful and i look at it still and i can't believe it's mine. day and to your new wife kate. you finally went british. i almost fainted when i saw it.

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i am running with scissors. >> the brilliant "cheers," of course, from paramount, again. "cheers" is appropriate really because we've come to that point of the interview where things take a happy turn. you're on a flight to new york from england. where are you flying when you meet kate? >> when i met kate. i was on a flight to england. >> to england from new york. >> from los angeles. >> from los angeles. >> yeah. >> and a virgin atlantic flight. she's a stewardess on one of richard branson's beautiful stewardesses. >> yes. >> i've been on many flights. and there have been many beautiful stewardesses, particularly on virgin atlantic, none has given me a second look. what was it about you on this flight. what magic did you weave? because kate is a beautiful young lady as anyone can see here. >> i'll have to set the stage a little bit. i had a heart attack three years ago.

it was after the heart attack, about a month after the heart attack, my mother died. and i had just a horrible day with the ex, threatening divorce again and screaming about how it was all over. and i thought, my mother just died. what's wrong with you? and i suddenly realized -- and i've said this before to a press person and they actually said -- i said it first. i said to myself in my head, i looked at my life and i thought, is this the last story you want your life to tell? and i said no. now, granted, it took me another two years. but about a year and a half after that moment, camille started seeing somebody. and i even encouraged it. i thought, you know what? go find your happiness because you are not happy with me. that's where it was. and i was doing that show. i got this phone call. are you interested in playing george in "la cage aux folles"? come to england and see what you think of the production.

and i knew the minute i got that phone call, that my life was going to change completely and that i was -- that somebody else was happening. and when i walked through l.a.x, i spotted a girl. >> like a movie script. >> it was amazing. i spotted a girl who just looked to me to be magnificent. and it wasn't just that she was attractive or that she had, you know, obvious assets. there was a warmth a glow about her, that i was drawn to. and i thought, boy, i hope she's on my flight. and when we got on the plane.

and when we got on the plane, she sort of walked down the other aisle and i went she's there, i hope she's like working on my side of the plane. and then there was this one moment where we sort of smiled at each other. and i thought i've got to talk to her and so we started talking -- >> did she know who you were? >> i think she knew who i was but she didn't know who i am. i found her so charming and warm and interesting and lovely and i guess there was a sort of freshness about my persona at the time that was attractive enough to her to think it would be worth meeting for a cup of coffee. as i walked down through the lobby of the hotel i was in, i turned and looked at the bar and thought that's just a pickup joint. that's not the right place for us to have this moment. and so i walked to the middle of the street, it was christmas. it was magnificent. there were lights everywhere. there was a nip in the air and this vision comes up from the stop in front of harvey nichols and puts on a little lipstick and i thought, oh, my good, she's the cutest thing i've ever seen. i said, listen, i want to just go take a walk, it doesn't feel right to be in there. we took a walk over to hyde

park. they had this christmas fair thing going on. there was a ferris wheel. >> i know exactly what you're talking about. i know that fair. >> we got on the ferris wheel and i looked at her and i thought -- i have to go back for one second. for the last several years i had been saying to one particular friend of mine, i said i don't care if i ever have sex again. i just want to be kissed. i want someone to kiss me again in my life and mean it. and i looked at her in that moment and i thought i'm going to try. >> well, don't leave it there. >> i told you i wouldn't cry. she's going like -- so i leaned in and kissed her and we've been together ever since. > it's one of the most romantic things i've ever heard. >> the snow started to fall as we walked across the street together. it was insane, like all the

planets had danced together on our behalf. it was messy, it was difficult since then. kate was uncertain, i was trying to do some noble gesture to make the destruction of the marriage, the previous marriage go easier somehow and that was a mistake. that was just a mistake. i should have walked home and said we're done, you can finally have everything you wanted and i found a new life. >> i mean, it takes a strong woman to put up with all the mess that was around your life outside. >> absolutely. >> and to stick with it and to end up marrying you, fourth wife. you're not like an easy sell to a family, you know. what is it about her you think that enabled her to deal with all this? >> she believes in love. >> i hope you still fly virgin atlantic because it richard branson hears this story, he'll want to make a movie out of this. >> we just went to england to visit her family and visit her

niece that was born to kate's sister and brother-in-law. i love this new family. i lament the fact i'm not being allowed to see my children as much as i'd like to, but we're going to iron that out. it's on ward and upward. >> you know they say true love will conquer all and i think you've found true love. >> i have. >> let's have a little break. let's come back for a last segment. i can't take much more of this