♪ >> reporter: cars cruise by, kevin's house attracts a crowds of 300 or so people standing around watching nightly shows. one night a teenage girl showed up around midnight and asked if this is the house with all 0 the lights and could he turn them on. kevin declined. to us, it may be funny, are the neighbors amused? one said folks seem to like it but was worried it would get too popular. on line, it's a smash, epic, incredible, awesome. that's kevin's daughter depa departing the house mid performance. kevin says he doesn't do christmas because he's too tired from halloween. take your pick, is it an eyesore or an eyegasm? jeanne moos, cnn. new york. >> i'm wolf blitzer in "the situation room." the news continues next on cnn.

good evening, everyone. tonight a herman cain fund-raising video goes viral because of a shot that celebrates smoking. truth is, we think a cancer survivor like mr. cain should know better. a provocative new tax plan from rick perry. here's the form, a postcard, two sides, straightforward. and the modified tax plan would allow most americans to keep their most cherished deductions. >> taxes will be cut across all income groups in america, and the net benefit will be more money in americans' pockets with greater investment in the private economy instead of the federal government. >> most days we would start right there. but break down the pros and cons of the new perry tax plan, will have to wait a moment. just as he was putting finishes touches on the bold plan on taxes and spending what he feeds to give his campaign a boost, governor perry wandered into the foolish morass of the birther

debate. >> you chose to keep it alive in the interview with "parade"? why did you do that? >> it's a good issue to keep alive. >> well, no it isn't. hours after saying that governor perry changed his tune. >> that is one of the biggest distractions that there is going. we need to be talking about jobs. >> great. great, great, great. that's a much better answer. but how did we get here? governor perry was asked by parade magazine if he believed president obama was born in the united states. the governor said he justified had dinner with mr. trump and mr. trump questioned the awe then tty of the long form relead in april. then governor perry had a chance to put this to rest once and for all. instead, listen here as the governor tries to have it both ways. >> it's a good issue to keep alive, just you know, donald's got to have some fun, and the

issue is -- >> sounds like you do have some doubt about it. >> look, i haven't -- i haven't seen -- i haven't seen his grades. my grades ended up on the front page of the newspaper. let's, if we're going to show stuff, let's show stuff. but look, that's a distraction. i get it. i'm really not worried about the president's birth certificate. it's fun to poke it at him and say let's see your grades and birth certificate. we have people sitting around, watching this interview at home that don't have a job and this president has killed 2.5 million jobs, that's serious. that's what we better get right. >> governor perry could have, should have, just said the birth certificate shows the president was born in hawaii, case closed. next question. instead, both with "parade" and the cnbc interview he tried to be cute. one hand calling it a distraction, on the other hand saying thing like, it's a good issue to keep alive.

it's not a good issue to keep it alive. keeping it alive feeds conspiracy theorys of people who range from a little loony to reckless and racist. i'm told top perry aides urged the governor to be more direct, and less cute if the question came up again. and in south carolina, today, it did, and he was. >> i'll cut you off right there. that is one of the big of the distractions that there is going. we need to be talking about jobs. >> amen. but why didn't he just say that in the first place? joining us in new york, republican strategist, ed rollin's, here in washington, cornell belcher and, chief political analyst, gloria borger. ed, as the republican, i want to go to you first. a governor for ten years, he's new to the national stage, but is it just he's just -- he gave a bad answer, could have been more definitive, or is he trying to have it both ways and play to the lowest common denominator? >> i don't think he's trying to have it both ways but it's a

major mistake, and obviously he got it right on the third or fourth try, i don't know which that was. this governor has to basically be very, very careful on everything he says. he basically is in a different environment than he's ever been in before, obviously a safety valve when you've been governor of texas for continue years, in texas, dealing with national media, everything you say, cannot distract from your candidacy. and he basically has to be talking about jobs, what he's going to do for america, otherwise we sit here having three-minute discussion on this, as opposed to his flat tax. >> and i took -- to be honest, i would love, and we will in a few minutes talk about the flat tax. taxes, spending, the economy number one issues. when you have a man making his national introduction, who is struggling at this point, he's gone down in polls, we can show you the latest "new york times"/cbs poll, governor perry 30% not long ago, now 6%. herman cain, gingrich, romney, ahead of him.

is this inexperience or is it because he's 6% reaching out to the wacky fringe is going to help him? >> there is an element there of -- in america particularly in that base republican group that wants do-t s to delegitimatize obama. but i have got to tell you, not as a democrat here but as a political professional, i have yet to see this sort of level of inept campaigning on the presidential level in a good long time. the guy keeps getting in his own way. this is the guy who the outsiders wanted to challenge romney and he's now behind herman cain and -- because he keeps stepping on -- he can't complete a full sentence about why they shouldn't vote for romney and he keeps getting in his own way. >> remember when joe biden stepped on his own presidential announcement by calling barack obama clean and articulate and good looking? >> right, right. >> well, this is like that. >> and his campaign --

>> but joe biden -- what does it tell you when you -- i was talking to his people this morning. first they tried to say it's clear everything he said about this he thinks it's a joke. i read it again, listened to it again and not clear he thinks it's a joke. >> it's not clear. >> it's clear he's trying to be cute. >> he was given every opportunity by john hard wood to clear it up and he decided not to. i don't think it's an issue that worked well for donald trump, but i do think there's a part or the republican party that wants to have somebody saying these things so he wants to have it both ways. in the end, he stepped on his own message on flat tax, which by the way, is a lot more important to people in eye which is what the governor of iowa said today. he said iowa caucusgoers don't care about this. they don't share these views, is what the governor said. >> he's getting in the way of me attacking him because i'd rather attack him on the tax than talking about this. >> haley

basher, former chairman of the republican party, he said if republicans are talking about about the economy they're doomed. why is it that many republicans in the national stage can't simply say, stop, forget about it, i've seen the birth certificate or there have been news reports about it it says he was born in hawaii, end of story, move on, why can't they say that? >> they sould say that. the president's the president. the issue is not where he was born or what he did in his youth, it's about what he does today. what we're going to do to be different, we can move forward in this campaign. >> i think that is the most frustrating part that ed makes, someone who wants to have a good policy debate in the campaign, and b, as you talk to republican professionals, run against him on the economy, run against him on health care, on anything. >> there are issues to run against barack obama. >> he's the president. he's going to be on the ballot. >> it's a distraction.

i think it reflects the insecurity of some of these candidates in the field, notably perry today, because he's down in single digits in the polls. he's grabbing at anything he can. he doesn't want to lose one voter, even if it's vote that believes barack obama wasn't born in the united states, but it takes him out of the mainstream which is a huge problem for a candidate as you head into a general election. >> what if he really believes it? there is the crux of the problem. what if this is not strategy on his part? what if he believes that garbage? that's a frightening sort of thought, isn't it? >> that would be a frightening sort of thought. i'm not here to defend governor perry, we're banging him around a little bit here, but he does have a fair point in saying reporters asked him about this. media does raise this question and we expect an answer when we raise it but he could say, stop asking stupid questions, could he not? >> what he needs to do. the governor's had probably the

first -- first impressions that he's made on the country are that he's not very smart or effective. everything he has to do from here on out, he has to reinforce he is smart, that he's been an effect everybody governor and you don't do this by the circus act. what works for trump is irrelevant. he's not a presidential candidate. these guys are presidential candidates people are looking at them making judgments, can they be the next president of the united states, and you don't get that merit badge by basically talking about idiotic things. >> we played some sound from karl rove, we saw on fox news but talked about this last night and karl rove says it marginalizes you with the bigger part of the electorate and maybe issues appeal to the fringe group. you're a democrat and partisan, how does this issue play? if you look at the national polls, 80% of all americans say forget about it, he was probably born in the united states. if you look at it among democrats, republicans, 69% of republicans, 89% of democrats, there is that gap, 3 in 10

republicans who have an open question. if you look at independents, if you think you're the republican nominee for president, in a close race, you need to win in the philadelphia suburbs, you need to win along i-4 in florida to get independent voters. this issue can't work. >> it goes nowhere. look, it makes them seem out of contact with the regular voter who right now is worried about paying bills, keeping lights on, no whether the president was born in the country. >> if you're sitting and managing rick perry right now, you're banging your head against the wall about this in because you wanted him to be talking about the flat tax. you wanted to provide a contrast with herman cain, 9-9-9, up in the polls, you wanted to talk about what you can do to get the economy jump started again, and instead, you're talking about the stupid birth certificate. >> he's got to run a perfect campaign from here on, because if he doesn't over the next month or so, his campaign's done, money will dry up, he's got to run the perfect campaign from here on out if he wants to

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it has a catchy slogan -- >> today i lay before the american people my cut, balance and grow plan. >> and it has the power of simplicity, one-page tax form, postcard to uncle sam, not a complicated stack of forms and tables. just what rick perry says the economy needs and just what his campaign team hopes will help the texas governor reverse his recent slide in the polls. >> the future of america is too important to be left to the washington politicians. to get -- to get america working again, we got to cut taxes and

spending, balance the federal budget, and grow our economy and jobs. >> let's look at the highlights of an optional 20% flat tax rate, keep the mortgage interest deduction, charitable contribution deduction, if you make less than $500,000 a year. you'd get a larger $12,500 standard deduction, lower 20% corporate tax rate is part of this. the perry plan would eliminate taxes on estates, dividends, capital gains and social security benefits. is it right for the economy, the perry campaign? let's ask professor robert reich, steven moore, and republican strategist, nancy fotenaur. the perry campaign says this is fair for everybody, and they say by leaving those deductions, mortgage interest rates, charitable contributions, and the like and raising the standard deduction that it takes away the democratic argument this is a plan that helps the rich, hurts the poor, you say?

>> it doesn't take away the democratic argument and it doesn't take away the fairness argue ment because people who a rich, big ceos, they can have a major deduction and they can have also a major cut in their taxes instead of paying 35% marginal tax rate, was what they would have to pay under the current rules, they would go down to 20%. meanwhile, everybody else would be more or less off as they are right now, but you see if you're concerned about the budget deficit over the long term that means everybody else will have to pay more. this is a variant on the trickle down economics we've seen again and again, republicans propose, it doesn't work, nothing trickles down. the median wage continues to drop. >> let's -- the republicans -- they're politely laughing, mr. secretary. you disagree. steve, to you first, why? why is he wrong? >> this isn't the catchiest

slogan. i think 9-9-9 is catchier than this. first of all the most regressive tax system that we could possibly imagine is the one that we have right now. we've got 20 million americans that can't find full-time jobs, those people have no income, so bob i'd simply say how can you do worse than the current system? we've had the debate, liberals running around the country saying the rich aren't paying tax on the income tax. the great thing about the flat tax, warren buffett won't have any more carveouts, places to shelter income. everybody will have to pay 20%, there's no way to avoid that. i think a flat rate is a very fair system. >> if the biggest issue for the country now is growth. >> right. >> creating jobs, do anything you can to create growth and jobs, steve mentioned 9-9-9, is it 9-9-9, is it the flat tax at 20% rate, newt gingrich has a flat tax with a lower rate, 12%, romney approach which is more squ squ jug the tacodes.

among republicans who has the best growth jobs plan? >> perry and gingrich right now. frankly, i don't think that governor romney's approach, which is nibble around the edges, is what's necessary. we need something that's going to stimulate economic growth. i think the flat tax approach, i appreciate the 9-9-9 plan, but i think the problem there is politic political risk, if you promise we have herman cain forever and the sales tax wouldn't go up that might be okay. absent that, a flat tax and particularly one that focuses on eliminating double taxation on savings and investment is key, doesn't matter what school of economic thought you're from, that's how you get to growth. >> i don't think you thought you would go on television thinking you're going to defend mitt romney. >> i'm not planning to. let's me say this. the real key problem right now in the economy is not that investors lack enough incentive, it's not that corporations lack enough money, corporations are

sitting on $2 trillion of cash right now, the real problem is consumers, average consumers don't have money. they have a huge debt load. they are scared of losing jobs. their earnings are dropping, largely because trickle down economics done work. what we have to have, the only way of actually getting into this and reversing this vicious cycle is to have more, least in the short term, more public spending, more investment in infrastructure, a wpa work projects administration, a civilian consvation corps emplo a lot of these people. i don't understand how republicans with a straight face can say rich need more tax deducts, lower taxes and corporations need lower taxes in this day and age. >> almost every economist agrees that our corporate tax rate is simply not competitive in the world. we have the second highest in the world, we're about 15 percentage points above the average. bob, you want to create jobs, i

do, too, let's make american companies competitive and bring the capital here where it's creating jobs rather than outsourcing. >> your point would be valid if we were not in an environment where corporate profits the ratio of corporate rate profits to wages is higher than since -- >> bob, people are sitting -- >> it's a lousy investment climate. >> they are sitting on it because it is rational to sit on it. we have to change the entire schematic so it makesence. not my -- it's not my job to say who's right or wrong. it's not my job to say who's right or wrong but i would say, if you're right, you would need the restoration of the monarchy to get the plan through because the republicans aren't going to adopt the wpa program. >> how about democracy? >> you do have an election in 13 months. as think plays out among republicans, you know, governor perry makes hi case today. i want to show you a 199 ad from mitt romney, we can show it on

tv, this is when steve forbesed aa version of this, the flat tax isn't flat. he's saying this helps the rich and hurts the middle class. governor perry was asked about that by john harwood of cnbc. if mitt romney makes that argument against your tax, what would you say? >> well, i would say that he ought to look in the mirror, i guess? i consider him to be a fat cat. here's -- it doesn't matter to me what, you know, anybody says about this. i know what will work. >> might we, because of this proposal, governor perry's had stumbles, we were talking about some of them at the top of the program, might we now get a good, interesting and important debate among the republican candidates, as secretary reich will represent the democratic side, president obama, might we get what's been missing from this campaign? >> i really think what this means is the republican party is a flat tax party? we're in a great debate in the

republican party you want the 9-9-9 plan or do you want the flat tax? all of the bold ideas on taxes are coming from republicans, and i think that it's going to be something like the flat tax. >> i think so, too. these things have been debated for year. this is not -- will not just work but it's politically salable which is unfortunately a requirement here. with all due respect to the former secretary, what he's advocating is doubling down on the same policies this administration put in place, and have abysmally failed. doesn't matter if you're republican, democrat, don't have a job. >> newt gingrich puts out a tweet, if you're going to bump tax plans with my friend herman, bump plans with me. let's compare flat taxes. they the debate. mr. secretary, let me let you in. >> let me say, if the republicans are putting forth variations on a flat tax, when we have ceos taking home 350 times more than average workers are a new report, corporations sitting on $2 trillion worth of cash, a new record, when we have

average working people paying through the nose for everything from health care to everything else, i mean if republicans want to say, we're for a flat tax, we will reduce the taxes of people at the top, let democrats say, and be the only ones out there saying, we've got to increase taxes on the only people who have the money and those are the people who are very rich taking on the higher percentage of total income than ever before, certainly over the last 80 year rn s, that's fine, let's have that debate. >> we'd love to have it as well. that approach is one that has cost the economy millions of jobs. the flat tax, one of its greatest positive attributes to be redundant, is that it's simple. and it's transparent. and therefore people can be held accountable. the american people aren't dummies. 10% of 100 million is a lot more than 10% of 100,000, particularly when the average family of four has a standard

deduction of $50,000. >> the people hate this tax plan tax planners. >> exactly. >> i'm all in favor of putting tax plans are out of business. but i would say, you can simplify the tax code much more directly by getting rid of a lot of the subsidies, a lot of the exemptions. >> this does that. >> big businesses, ceos and others have put it in over the years. >> i am glad, i'm going to end this conversation here, but i'm glad we're starting to have this debate. this is exactly what the campaign needs. mr. secretary, thank you. stee steeb, nancy. a member of congress starts why can't we get along? she's worried it will be lonely. >> if i'm one person alone, il have a beer by myself. people want us get along. >> herman cain's chief of staff takes a drag in his video goes viral. that is funny? tonight's truth is next.

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fresh evidence today of something we've been talking about here for some time now. herman cain is for real. and you dismiss the power of his candidacy at your own peril. look at this, new cbs/"new york times" poll puts cain atop the republican field, nationally and he's polling strong in key early primary, caucus states as well.

time for mr. cain and his team to prove they take seriously the responsibility of leadership. so that end, this is not a st in the right direction. >> we've run a campaign like nobody's ever seen, but then, america's never seen a candidate like herman cain. ♪ i am american >> the man taking a defiant drag is mark block, cain's chief of staff. a testimonial video to cain's appeal but the reason it's gone viral is the nonpc smoking moment at end. when cnn questioned block about his newfound fame he said, quote, america needs to get a sense of humor. asked why he felt it important to include the smoking shot block said, i smoke, it's a choice. yes, humor is a critical ingredient in life and politics. but so is leadership. smoking is a choice, mr. block and everyone else is free to make it, but to celebrate it is encourage it. and it is indisputable fact that smoking kills. the national cancer institute

says of the 250 harmful chemicals in cigarettes, at least 69 cause cancer. in addition to cancer, smoking causes heart disease, strokes, asthma, cataracts and on and on, 440,000 premature deaths a year attributed to smoking. i can take you to the cemetery, meet my mother and father if you think this is debatable. mr. block is free to make his choice. all of us are. but all of us includes young people like my teenagers who spent parts of their days checking the viral videos, my job to police that, die get it. but anyone who wants a serious leadership position in politics has a responsibility, too. as herman cain's chief of staff, that responsibility extends to mr. block. make your choices, that is your right. but don't tell me i need to get a sense of humor when you use a political platform to encourage smoking. that's the same line your candidate used when he was called on the carpet for this -- >> when i'm in charge of the fence, we're going to have a fence, it's going to be 20 feet

high. it's going to have barbed wire on the top. it's going to be electrifying. and there's going to be a sign on the other side that will say "it will kill you." joking about electrocuting people isn't funny, neither is celebrating and encouraging a choice that can kill. as a tenacious survivor of stage iv cancer i would think mr. cain would be especially mindful of the power of example. truth is, telling america to get a sense of humor isn't the answer. america has a pretty good sense of humor what she cries out for is leadership. still ahead new details about steve jobs, the man, his close friend aof apple joins us. remember this? >> do you regret using a rape reference to describe an opposition -- >> i didn't use it, did, no, let's get it straight. don't screw around with me. get it straight. >> did the reporter who

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know. in the wake of moammar gadhafi's brightle treatment before he was killed, libya's council reaffirmed its commitment to prisoners human rights. at statement says, quote, we did not want to end this tyrant's life before he was brought to court, gadhafi's body was buried in a secret location today. stocks closed lower due to jitters over tomorrow's european union summit to address the continent's debt and banking process. joe biden's staff phoned an official to raise concerns over the journalist's tack tests. the issue is whether he was able to get close to biden by someone who wanted to get his picture take taken. erin burnett outfront. you interviewed a top adviser to governor perry about it. >> we're going to be talking about it get together bottom line of whether it really works.

i don't know, john, but i'm looking at postcard here, you know, two-sided postcard, the new perry plan burke it looks like the 1040 ez, you know? just a different font size. i'm kidding. we are going to get to the bottom line of whether the flat tax is flat or something else. plus, the president courting latino voters, on jay leno, as you know. we'll be talking to bill richardson whether he'll get the hispanic vote which is crucial this time around. we can't resist, a cigarette in that one tonight. back to you. >> aha. can't wait. see you in a minute. next, the private side of apple's steve jobs. insights from one of the people who knew him best, the apple co-founder. [ man ] i got this citi thank you card and started earning loads of points. you got a weather balloon with points? yes, i did.

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seems like every day we're learning more about steve jobs and his unfinishes liz business plans. a full-blown apple smart television might be on the way. also getting glimpses of a more personal side of steve jobs, the blunt, sometimes profane man, we glimpsed on this clip from cbs "60 minutes." >> i feel totally comfortable going, in front of everybody else, you know, god we really [ bleep ] up the engineering on this, didn't we? that's the an for being in the

room. we're brutally honest with each other and all of them can tell me they think i'm full of [ bleep ] and i can tell them i think they're full of [ bleep ] and we have had rip roaring arguments. >> our next guest knew steve job, steve wozniak. let me start there, i appreciate your time tonight. when you hear that clip, and you hear your friend's vis, what goes through your mind? >> sounds so much like the way steve jobs talks and there's an inner sensibility and you know kindness and sharing, reaching out inside of it and yet sometimes it's, you know, kind of threatening. it's also instructive. business people, companies all over the world and the country look and say, how did steve jobs handle these situations, you know? and it's kind of like this, you know, a learning experience for other executives. >> i want to dig deeper into that. i want to start with the questions, a lot of people have

questions about the feuture, ho will this company survive. >> you were the first guy in line for an iphone 4s. there could be an apple smart television coming out. what's your sense of the future of apple post-steve jobs? >> yeah, you know, it's hard to imagine there could be another steve jobs, you can't never say never, but apple, as a company, people think, well, it's not disrupted right away, will the culture go on forever or after ten years, 20 years, will some other people be in control and it goes negative and not the way steve jobs would have wanted it? i like to look at companies that had really great quality and engineering excellence and i'll look at cameras and they kept up their entire quality image in their position in the world of what they stand for for 100 years. company cultures don't have to dissolve and die and be -- you know really variable, if they're strong and good. and everybody looks up and acknowledges, apple, steve jobs, apple, steve jobs, they go

together, and the memories that are left over, i -- nobody else specially our customers don't want a change to the way that steve jobs wouldn't like. >> one of the fascinating parts this book by walter isaacson, a conversation between steve jobs and steve wozniak about the possibility, would you ever go back. steve jobs is gone now but the same question, would you ever go back? >> if i thought that i had something to offer to help apple, of course i would. apple, i'm so loyal that company is the best company in my heart. but i have an awful lot of other life. i'm not in a position in life right now where i would be the one to help apple. people would be thinking, my gosh, got to be some important role like steve jobs'. i don't tend to be that up above guide everything run a company type person. >> another fascinating part of the book, steve jobs and his sister decide they're going to try to find their birth parents. his sister does go out and find them. jobs acknowledges he found out

it was most likely his father. let's listen to this. >> i was in that restaurant, once or twice, and i remember meeting the owner who was from syria, and it was most certainly him, and i shook his hand and he took my hand and that's all. >> ever talk about that, how did being adopted and for a long period of time not knowing who his parents were, how did that shape him? >> i don't like to go into person's personal lives so i've read about all of this stuff, never spoken directly to steve about it. to me i think dinly. the people that raise you are your mother and father. i'd never want to go back and fine a birth mother or father. i wouldn't believe it matters in my life. i am who i am. steve's adoptive parent his didn't think highly of them at all, he -- but a lot of people separate from their parents as they're getting out of the high school. but his parents were just great. his mom was so nice. his father would try to instruct, show him things from

laser work, physics that he did. i admired him. steve, i don't know why, i don't know, he didn't feel -- it bears to some other things he's done at apple, he didn't ever have a feeling of family and i felt that the first early people to start apple we all are family, which is one of the reasons i gave a lot of my stock to the others, was to give them a chance because they had been so important in our big success. we shouldn't be the only ones. but steve kind of didn't want to go that way. no, they don't deserve stock, you know. i always want to take care of all of the people that are part of our group. >> i want to close with i work in walking a lot of people focused on the political aspects in the book. he makes clear, steve jobs does to walter isaacson, i'm disappointed in obama, he's having trouble in leading because he's reluctant to offend people or piss them off. yes, that's not a problem i ever had. why do you get the sense he thought obama was not a good leader? >> we met back in the counterculture '60s, the vietnam

war days, and both shared a liberal viewpoint, young person's viewpoint on that, and on just -- i don't know politics in general, government in general, just overriding the small person was what it wound up meaning to me. steve became a very strong lead who could change things, and the funny thing we both probably agree about obama but for different reasons. you know, what we want to see more, whether it's just plain that he did take a stand and took some action or i care that he would take some more, you know, liberal actions like keeping up the words that got him elected. so steve's just, coming from the point of view, what you are, how you want to see other good leaders. you wrant ant to see other peop that are good. if you're a lead, president of the united states and ceo of the company, see the similarity. steve was a strong one that could get things to turn out his way. steve could force the entire company to go on one course and keep its direction steady.

he had enough control to do that. done mean you have to control every single person's life in the company. a president done have that leeway, to be honest. >> steve wozniak, appreciate your time tonight. >> you heard steve wozniak moments ago talking about the apple family. well, tonight's number here, personal. for our family, john king usa. 6:09 a.m. born to michael and jenny wald. produce who help me with the magic wall here all the time. he's a fabulous and valued member of the staff. his wife is beautiful. baby daughter weighing in more than 7 pounds, 19 inches long, beautiful. she is yet to have a name. i would suggest michael how about imaginic? or perfect? but that's your business. congratulations to michael and jenny and their beautiful young daughter. we are thrilled however in the jk usa family. on the campaign trail here, in washington, politician are saying it would be nice if the politicians would behave like grown-ups. test test

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new democratic congresswoman of new york said her constituents have a constant question when she goes home, why can't you all just get along? the congresswoman said she will start a why can't we all get along caucus and smart enough to think of a plan b in case no one shows up. >> i'll sit there and have a beer by myself. that's what's going on in this country. people want us to get along. >> we wouldn't want the congresswoman to drink alone so she's with us tonight. and republican strategist, ed rollins. i will get to this far-fetched idea of yours you can get the congress to be grown-ups. i want to ask all of you. i was moments ago saying pretty harsh things on tv about herman cain's chief of staff. the viral video. cain has come from nowhere to skyrocket in the polls. look at this.

>> i don't begrudge anybody their choices in life. cigarette smoking is perfectly legal. for a chief of staff to presidential candidate to celebrate smoking at the end of a video i find reprehensible. am i crazy? >> there are standards and we hit new lows in this election. we don't have to be here and american public are fed up with the fighting. i think it is a low, inappropriate. >> there is something to the appeal of this candidate and his people. they're different, generating a lot of buzz. my position was you can smoke, anybody can smoke, however, if you want to be the president of the united states or serious aid to the president of the united states, isn't that the wrong message? >> you're saying nothing touches americans hearts more than a guy they don't looking weird on television doesn't speak to regular americans? it is horrible and doesn't connect with regular americans. this is the problem with herman

cain, makes him not look like the front-runner. this guy is ahead in the polls. he can take this by the horn but the can't if he does crazy stuff like this and looks out of the fringe? >> is that right, ed rollins? or are we playing by an old rule book that might not apply? >> no. we aren't playing by an old rule book. there is a great interest in herman cain. the american public doesn't know who he is, a circus factor. when you throw a commercial like that, ego trip on the part of the campaign manager, it adds to that circus. herman cain has to introduce himself again and again and build an organization and become a credible candidate. the fact you lead in polls. fred thompson led in this polls and didn't get a delegate and rudy guilliani led and didn't move forward. we want to know about serious challengers to the president,

the next 70 days to iowa is when we have to do that. >> let me go back to where we started, i was making light of it that i didn't want to leave you to drink lone at the why can't we get alone conference. and a serious discussion about the birther debate, i hope we never talk about that and interesting discussion about taxes we should have that every night. one of the points about why can't we get along, the president's job bills, you're a democrat, newly elected, you just ran in this environment. a lot of people surprised a democrat won that seat up near buffalo. why is it? the voters sent you here. why is it people don't get along? >> john, i have to tell you, we see polls that say 12% of the american public support us and like us, i want to know who that 12% are. that's got to be our family and friends. after what happened this summer, i've been on this job five months, we brought this country to the brink of economic disaster because we could not find a compromise, if you

support the cushion, our founding fathers knew how to compromise and we could have compromised and i went back and did town hall meetings, they said, why can't you get along? i said i will do the best i can, try to develop personal relationships. i worked for senator moynihan a generation ago, we knew how to get the job done, compromised on social issues and president reagan worked with tip o'neil. i want to get back to that. >> you've known the speaker of the house, john boehner and i've known him a long time, he worked with senator kennedy in educated and got along in passing policy. i was going to use family friendly, why can't they get along? >> i worked in1973, there weren't many present members there, only one senator. what the congresswoman is suggesting to have a beer is a positive thing, not because you

need the alcohol, used to be a place for social events, you fight all day long and at night you go to dinner and sit down. there were no haters. there were fighters but you weren't haters. it was plenty partisan the days of tip o'neil and ronald reagan, it was plenty partisan but never hate. my sense today a lot of hate and a lot at stake. we need to have some socialized, give up a little bit on both sides. at the end of the day, do what's in the best interests of the american public. >> i will jump in here and say something that will be unpopular. to a certain extent, i'm sorry, america, you the voter, you have to take responsibility in this. this is one reason why they don't get along. you look back over what happened in this republican primaries the last time around, how many senators did they take out and sitting republicans did they take out because they were not partisan enough? the american public has to take some responsibility in the people they're electing and their actions to -- you know, have