speaking gigs. he just got a book deal. he's a very bright young man. he found that he didn't need this educational track to go out and make his way. i think that far more kids are being sold on this student loan scam essentially that is contributing to that trillion dollar figure you just mentioned. i mean, these people call themselves educators, but they're really salesmen. they're salesmen for debt. and they're salesmen for creating a generation of not indentured servants, but indentured students. we have a generation of indentured students. >> mike, thank you very much. a really interesting book "the education of millionaires." thanks so much for being with us. we want to let you know, this week is a special week for us, as we continue interviewing the presidential contenders and asking them the tough questions. we'll talk with newt gingrich on wednesday. we'll look forward to that. we'll see you tomorrow.

tonight the most hated man in america, bernie madoff. he swindled unsuspecting investors out of a stunning $50 billion. everybody knows what he did, but nobody knows bernie madoff quite like his family. even they can't forgive him. tonight the woman who is marrying madoff's son speaks out. >> i'm 50 cent. that's right. 50 cent, businessman, author, humanitarian, and bathe of music as well. a story of success that can only happen in america. tonight, the bad boy rapper who is actually not so bad. you have never taken drugs? >> no, the easy option is you can take $10 or $5 and you can spend it on buying weed to smoke it or put it in your pocket. and what kim kardashian's mother told me about her daughter's troubled marriage. apparently the marriage is over already. >> don't tell me that, no. >> wait till you hear what else she had to tell me. this is "piers morgan tonight."

bernie madoff went to prison on july 14th, 2009 to begin serving 150 years for masterminding the biggest ponzi scheme in history. two years later members of the family are finally speaking out. joining me is catherine hooper, andrew madoff's fiancee and the author of "truth and consequences, life inside the madoff family." how are you reacting to all the he action? how do you think the interviews you've done so far is all going down? >> well, certainly, i expected the book to make quite a big splash. i mean, this is a story that people have been avidly following since it broke in 2008. people have been waiting to hear from the family. >> catherine, i mean, for you, it's obviously -- it's a difficult situation. i'm aware that, for example, you're the only person who is

going to be personally profiting from this book. now there are many people saying, hang on a second, how can you be allowed to profit from such horrendous crimes? what do you say to that? >> i understand that completely. the fact of the matter is andrew, because of his legal situation, and i, we can't get married. we likely never will be able to be married. and i'm a single mother. i have a 6-year-old daughter who i support. and to take the time away from my career to work on this project and invest the mund hundreds of hours of work with laurie that it took, i had to be compensated for that time. >> from andrew's interviews is not that i didn't believe it because i didn't know enough about what was going on there, although many people do doubt what he's saying, as i'm sure you're aware and others have sympathy for him, but in relation to the question he didn't answer which is how much money do you guys actually have, because i guess the sympathy

that you may get from the public as to making money from this book would depend on exactly how impoverished you are. >> well, andrew's assets and mine are not the same, as you know. and andrew's finances are a matter of public record. all of his financial life is written about in court documents that anyone can read. and he's being sued for a high multiple of his net worth. so our picture is very uncertain. but money is not what was most important about this project for us. we worked on this book, and i undertook this book because i had a mission. >> and what was the mission? >> well, the mission is to have the ability to tell our story in our own words, and to be able to broker a reconciliation between andrew and his mother, and also to offer a story about our lives that hopefully tells many people

that you can have a healing experience through telling your own story. >> the reason i'm continuing to press on this is i found it odd that andrew who -- you know, gave a very moving interview, but he wouldn't answer the question about how much money he's got. and even when i asked catherine then, she wouldn't answer either. you can find it out in documents. but obviously you know the answer, you both know the answer to that question. is it easier to say andrew has, as some people say, $60 million, and then when people have that picture in their head of that sum of money, they can assess whether they believe it is ethically or morally right for you guys to profit or catherine in particular, to personally profit further from telling the story of bernie madoff's crimes? >> i don't feel that catherine and andrew have been hiding anything. i mean, as they both stated, these numbers are widely available to the public. i can understand why the public would want to hear a number out

of andrew or catherine's mouth, but you know, i mean, you could say your mother tells you to never discuss these financial things and this is all out in the public, and it's no secret and andrew has been incredibly open and cooperative since the beginning. >> well, i don't mean to be funny, but then how much is it? if it's not a secret and they're so open and public and everyone appears to know apart from me, why don't you just tell me? >> i mean, this is -- i think -- >> to be honest, i actually don't know the answer. i think anyone who is being sued for $60 million has a very uncertain financial future. keep in mind that that figure is not the amount of money that andrew is alleged to have. it's the entire amount of money that he's alleged to have earned over his entire lifetime. >> but catherine, do you know how much, for example, of that money came from the dodgy side

of bernie madoff's business? in other words, how much money came from the ponzi scheme to be invested or be used in andrew's -- apparently the end of the business. >> the money that andrew earned in his career is what represents his net worth and that's what he's being sued for. i can't speak to the other pieces of the case because i'm not a legal expert. but i'm sorry i'm not able to give you a better informed answer about that. >> i just think it would be easy for you. there will be people who are absolutely fine with you doing the book and making money and there will be lots of people, particularly i imagine relatives of bernie madoffs victims who will be seething with anger -- >> right. but when you talk about bernie madoff's victims, please keep in mind that you're talking about people that are close friends of mine, people that i spend holidays with, and many of the people who sent wonderful letters of love and support today as we were working on this

project and at the fruition of the project. so the victims are not a bunch of faceless people to us. they're the people that are closest to us. i've heard from many of them. and from the ones i don't know, i certainly understand their questions about that issue. i know -- >> catherine, did you believe what ruth madoff was saying in her interview? >> which piece of it? >> well, the general thrust of it? i mean, do you find her a credible witness? because i'm not sure that i did. >> oh, i find her very credible. she has been so despised by the public, and at the end of the day, she's a 70-year-old woman who has lost her son. she found out very late in life that the only man she ever loved had been lying to her for decades. it's crushing what she's been through. and i have nothing but empathy for her. i can understand for someone who

never met her or only seeing her on television for a few minutes might not understand what she's been through, but i have incredible empathy for her. >> this is the biggest ponzi scheme in history. bernie madoff, he simply couldn't have carried this off on his own. andrew and his brother mark, who so tragically took his own life, were working in the same building just a floor away from their father for all these years but apparently knew nothing about it, nor did his wife who had been with him 50 years. nobody appears to have known anything about this. he was running this multibillion dollar scam. >> mm-hmm. well, piers, this is something that i very carefully went through in the book. i mean, i did not come into this thinking that andrew was not involved in his father's scheme. like everyone else, i thought any day he's going to be taken away in handcuffs. that was how i came into this project. it was after dozens of hours of interviews it became clear to me that he had no knowledge of his father's crimes.

there were a number of factors and one is that the fact that many of the people are either in jail or awaiting trial who were accomplices in bernie's scheme would have had every reason to turn in one of the brothers or ruth and get a reduction in their own sentence. they didn't do so because they weren't able to. >> catherine, just reading the book, bernie madoff emerges as a pretty revolting character even before the balloon goes up on his scam. the way that he treats you, the way he talks to you. there's enough in there for me to think horrible piece of work. >> yep. and i can tell you that when you fall in love with someone, you take your in-laws, all of us have in-laws, it was not going to be the easiest prospective father-in-law, but at that time he seemed merely creepy and not like a criminal. >> do you think that andrew will ever speak to his father again? i know he said he won't. do you think he's resolute that he would talk to him again?

>> i cannot imagine that he would. he feels so betrayed and so devastated not only for himself but for his children who will have that name for the rest of their lives and have the questions that go along with it. so for andrew, it's a matter of principle. he will not forgive his father and he'll never speak to him again. >> catherine, thank you for the time. i wish you luck in the future. obviously, more luck than you've unfortunately had to endure. my advice would be, i'd rethink this money thing. i'd give the profits to a children's charity or something. then i think you may get more sympathy. maybe you and laurie would think about that. >> you're entitled to your opinion. thank you very much, piers. >> appreciate your time. thank you. now i want to turn to the other big story in the news tonight, that's republican presidential candidate herman cain who says he's been, quote, falsely accused of sexually suggestive behavior to two

former employees of the restaurant association when he headed that group in the '90s. he called the accusations a witch hunt. he had striking things to say about this show. i interviewed him a week and a half ago in las vegas. and he can accuse this show of taking remarks out of context. that didn't happen. to prove it, i want to replay what herman cain said in that interview about abortion. what's your view of abortion? >> i believe that life begins at conception. and abortion under no circumstances. and here's why. >> no circumstances? >> no circumstances. >> because many of your fellow candidates or some of them qualify that. >> they qualify, but -- >> rape and incest. >> rape and incest. >> a tricky question, i know. >> it's a tricky question. >> but you've had children,

grandchildren. >> yes, yes. >> if one of your female children, grandchildren was raped, you would honestly want her to bring up that baby as her own? >> you're mixing two things here, piers. >> why? >> you're mixing two things here. >> that's what it comes down to. >> it comes down to it's not the government's role or anybody else's role to make that decision. secondly, if you look at the statistical incidence, you're not talking about that big a number. so what i'm saying is it ultimately gets down to a choice that that family or that mother has to make, not me as president, not some politician, not a bureaucrat. it gets down to that family. and whatever they decide they decide. i shouldn't try to tell them what decision to make. >> so there you have it. herman cain in his own words, pro life and pro choice. mr. cain, you're welcome to come back on this show any time to address this rather confusing issue or any other issue for that matter. just don't say that we have edited you unfairly when we haven't. later on the show, what chris jenner says about her

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50 cent, how are you? >> i'm great. >> i would have thought by now with all this economic recession, you may have changed your name to a quarter or something. >> going down, going down. >> with all the money you're making up these days, maybe up to a dollar? >> i'm doing pretty good. i'm comfortable. now i focus more on trying to create ventures and projects where i'm actually giving back. >> let's see, you're fascinating. i interviewed you before for "gq" magazine. you had this reputation of this rough, tough, bad boy rapper that would potentially kill me at any point during the interview. and you're a serious minded businessman. >> right. >> people know the incredible story of the vitamin water. vitamins, as you like to call it, where you made a lot of money from that kind of deal and

you had from other deals. you've become a very successful american businessman. is that something that, given your background, given where you came from, how do you feel about this? you're very proud of what you've achieved? >> absolutely. a huge accomplishment. allows me to be influential to my peers and other entrepreneurs. when i take on the projects particularly this project has a charitable component connected to it where it's one for one. with every piece of product that's sold through street king energy, there's a meal being provided through the united nations program. >> it's a really good one. i'm going to come to that later as several other things that you're doing. you're a man of many talents now. >> yeah. >> take me back, though, to where it all started for you. because i think the core of what you're all about, what drives and motivates you i think goes back to your upbringing. >> absolutely. >> tell me where you were brought up? >> i was brought up in south jamaica queens. my mom was killed when i was 8.

i had was forced to live about my grandparents at that point. >> your father disappeared. >> he played no part in my life. >> do you have any desire to? >> not now. i feel like my son now is a better version of me. >> has your father ever tried to contact you? >> no. >> now that you're famous? >> and i'm grateful for that. >> are you curious about what kind of man he was? >> well, it wasn't a whole lot of positive things around in the environment. so i'm not sure who my mom could have interacted with that would have been more influential in a positive way for me at that point. and now i look at it like being an adult, that the mistakes that i made like -- i'm around my son and he does things and he feels like he's doing it for the first time. i don't know if it's genetics. >> he's lucky. i'll come to him as well later in the sense that he's not having to grow up in the environment that you did.

>> right. to say you had it tough is to put it mildly. you were left without a parent at 8. at 12 you were dealing drugs on the streets. >> right. >> because that was the only way to survive. the interesting thing again about you, which i found surprising -- i don't want to insult you by saying that, but i remember asking you how many drugs have you taken? >> right. and i don't actually use drugs. >> you have never taken drugs? >> no, it was an easy option. you can take $10 or $5 that you spent on buying weed to smoke it or put it in your pocket. my motivation at that point, it wasn't like i was making the decision to do it with the comfort of having things just around me at excess. there weren't things around. >> most people of your peer group at the time would have been taking drugs. it showed a self-discipline which is odd in a boy of that age. >> and i got to see a lot of -- my grandmother was -- so i got a chance to watch my mothers sisters and brothers at different periods experiment

with the usage of drugs and alcohol. >> did you ever touch alcohol? >> i still responded so differently from it that i stayed away. >> you've never taken drugs, never had alcohol. >> i've drunk before. >> but not much. >> yeah. i had the experience that made me like paranoid because of it. and i stayed away from it following that. >> smoke? >> no. >> i mean, you're one of the squeakiest cleanest men i've ever met. >> but my first record when i put it out, i said i smoked that gush, and i said it because i knew that the rest of my story and my experience would speak to that. that people would identify with it and say, oh, well, yeah, i guess he would have tried that, too. because everyone around me had tried it. i know myself a little enough to know that i'm an extremist on some levels. i feel like if i get high, i'll get really high. i may not come back down. >> many of your competitors have

done all that stuff and carry on doing all that stuff. >> in the actual music video they're going to show you the bottles, they're going to show you the party, the nightlife. when music is played, it's usually a comfortable place for alcohol to be consumed, the bar, the sports bar, the nightclub, it's an easy marriage, it makes sense because of the nightclub environment but -- >> as a young man, when you were trying to get out of this world that you were in. >> right. >> what was your dream then? what was the holy grail for you or the end of all this? >> even when i was standing on the corner i was standing there with an entrepreneur spirit. i was just standing there because there was no opportunity ors options for me in the early stage. like i was 12. so there was no blue card for working papers. there was no temporary -- if i was going to mow someone's lawn and you can do that once every two weeks, the income off of that wouldn't be enough to make a change. and what you actually wanted -- what i wanted at that point -- i had a lot of negative influences in front of me. i had people who were successful

hustling. cadillacs and bonnevilles and regales right in front of me that seemed like it was -- there were no requirements, to be a part of that actual lifestyle. everyone that was eligible to be a part of it. >> did you not aspire to be one of them? what was the badge of honor, if you like, to have the cadillac, to be that guy on the street? >> i mean, imsymbolizes success to people who are small minded this thinking and limited exposure to information. >> when you see young kids these days in america, if you go back to queens or whatever and you see people like you were. >> right. >> hanging on the streets, maybe causing trouble, whatever, in a gang, whatever. what do you say to them? because i always imagined that whatever you say to them carries -- >> it impacts harder. >> -- more weight than a middle class white politician pretending he knows what their lives are like.

>> i don't pretend in conversation when i talk to them. i tell them that it's the right idea with the wrong direction. they do the same things over and over. to have the exact same behave yors and expect a different outcome is the definition of insanity. >> do you think you now have in america the first black president. >> right. >> must have been a big moment for you as a black american. what did you feel that day when barack obama became president? >> i think it was the same for everyone. it shows how far as a whole america's come. you know? >> do you believe it has? or do you believe that everybody thought it had? i mean, quite a few people have said to me over this desk since that there's almost -- it feels like there's more racism now because of barack obama becoming president? >> well, yeah, on some levels. me, ways an advocate for hillary, i was a supporter for hillary because i wasn't sure that america was ready for an african-american president. i didn't know what could happen in the process, because it could

have been a mess to have something happen to him in the process. >> because you feared that -- >> yeah. >> how do you think he's doing? >> i mean, i think he inherited america in a terrible state. so it's pretty tough to get things right back in the order. like you got people out protesting today that are in parks around the world. >> can you still relate to that even though in a way you've become a corporation. >> yeah, but i can relate to it that's why i'm created the philanthropy connection to a street gang. so you can provide something. i think this actual business model is an answer to the problems we're looking at. >> do they have it in them to care? >> they're not conditioned to. >> they don't show any sign of it. >> you got a lot of people in those positions that they're in, most business engagements are fueled by greed, i believe. so you got to be careful, you got to pay attention.

that's why when i go into negotiations in different deals, i absolutely have to be involved myself or i'm not sure. even with the attorneys on your side, you still got to see to know exactly what's going on. if i don't understand it, i say explain it to me. if i don't, then i say explain it slow or use different words so i understand what's going on. >> let's take a little break. when i come back, some the one of the great teases of all time, to a second segment. i want to know what it was like the day you were shot nine times at point blank range. okay? just because i can't imagine asking that of anyone else i'll ever interview. progresso. it fits!

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go shorter it's your birthday we're going to party like it's your birthday we're going to sip bacardi because it's your birthday >> that, of course, is "in the club" your breakout hit. >> right. >> no one's going to believe me when i say this, but i work out to that song. >> yes. >> literally, it's on my ipod, it's at the top of my gym collection. it's one of the great workout songs ever. >> the problem with that kind of song, piers, is you got to create something that's equivalent to it. >> that's the pressure, isn't it? >> yes. >> because it was an iconic dance song. wasn't it? i mean everybody went crazy for it. the video is spectacular.

it propelled you into superstardom. what do you do? >> then every day it's someone's birthday so it's relevant all over again. that's the old reliable. i can't move the crowd, put it on. it's going to work. >> it always does. >> it always does. >> did you know when you made that track it was going to be so big? >> you know what? the first thing when i said go shorty, it's your birthday. i couldn't play it a full time before eminem stopped it. he said, play that again. and he said, this is it right here. >> he knew. >> very first me he heard the song. he stopped it. put it back. he said, this is the song right here. then we sat in the meeting. me, him, jimmy eye o vin, dr. dre, chris oldenberg and we were debating over going with "in the club" or a song called "i can't." if i can't do it, it can't be done. get rich or die trying. he wasn't saying anything.

then i tapped him. he said, no, i think we should go with this one. at that point he was so influential in that actual meeting, coming off of the marshall mathers lp, he sold over 22 million roar ecords on that. >> unbelievable. >> that's two albums together. he did that on one disk. >> that's incredible, isn't it? an extraordinary moment in 2000 in your life when you were shot nine times at point blank range. i want to take you back to then to find out why it happened and also what you learned from it. >> that experience for me was -- it definitely was a life changing experience for me. for my son, actually, the biggest thing that changed my motivation. and he led me in the direction towards music. in '97 full time i started writing music. and when i actually experienced being shot, i think when you are hurt that bad -- >> really?

>> yeah, it hurts very bad. your bones is broken, leg broken, both sides, hip fractures. >> oh, it does hurt. i thought you said it didn't hurt that much. just agonizing. >> shot in the face. i couldn't talk. i had wires in my mouth. so i'm talking like this. during that actual experience, i didn't really get hurt that bad, your fear consumes you and you become a bit insensitive in different ways. and it came out in the material. >> why were you shot? why would somebody hate you enough to want to kill you? >> i mean, in the environment that i come from, it's not much different from corporate america. it's just the ceo in the neighborhood doesn't take killing you out of the scenario of gaining your marketship. >> simple as that, it's business. were you a violent guy then? were you very violent? >> aggressive enough to get by in the environment. >> for someone like me who's

never been in that world -- >> yeah. >> what does that mean? >> oh, it's extremely violent to you. it would be extremely violent. >> tell me about it. >> it's just in order to create a message for someone else who's active in the environment that clearly indicates to them that you don't have a problem in going in that direction if they want to, you have to do everything to create clarity for them that you don't have a problem with it, thn they don't force you to go. >> and that means being extremely violent? >> or aggressive enough for them to know that you don't have an issue with it. >> you seem like such a nice guy. >> because i'm no longer -- >> smiling, immaculate suit. then i'm thinking how bad ass were you? >> i'm not in the same environment, i'm not in the same circumstances. >> but at your peak when you were the top ceo of the streets? >> pretty bad, yeah. but i'm fortunate enough to not have to -- to have seriously hurt anyone, to have to live

with that at this point. >> i mean, you were very lucky to survive. you shouldn't really be here. do you feel lucky to have come through that? >> absolutely. you know, when you have a doctor explain to you that if it wasn't right here, if it was just right here, you're gone. that creates clarity for you. inches away from your life. >> and as a singer, you had -- you have still got some of the shrapnel -- >> in my tongue. >> does that affect your voice? >> it does. i slur a little bit from time to time. but this is the new voice, the voice that works. >> really? >> the one that i had before i actually got shot and went through that actual altercation was only strong enough to make people aware of me in the ten-block radius that i grew up in, but this one is the world. >> you think you sing better with the shrapnel. >> absolutely. >> would you recommend it as a course of action. >> no, i wouldn't actually recommend it.

>> get myself shot to put a little grav until the old voice. >> you already got a little bit with that accent. you got your own little sound going on. >> what did it teach you, the whole experience? because it clearly as you said, clarified things. >> right. >> this was a moment where you probably shouldn't have survived. but you did. how did you change your life afterwards? >> it teaches you to be persistent. because the record companies, they didn't answer the phone any more. you know, and i had to figure out how to generate interest for myself as an artist on my own. >> there's also something i think very important to you, which has helped, and that's your son. after we come back after the break, i want to talk to you about him. you turned out to be a much better dad than your dad.

>> there's monster right there, marquis. that's the guy i work for right there. hey, look at the camera. yeah. really my son is the reason why i started rapping. try something different. i was going to jail like not every -- like every other summer.

>> the documentary "the new breed." tell me about your son because how old is he now? >> he's 15. >> did you ever imagine you'd have a son of 15? >> no, he's actually like 5 in that clip. >> what kind of boy is he? >> oh, man, he's just a total better version of me. you know, he has some of the same mannerisms. he's competitive. he plays high school football. and when i actually play with him, i'm physically active, i run around and try to stay in shape and everything, i go play with him. he swears he's going to actually beat me. now he's actually better than me now. >> what do you say to him about your life before he came along? >> well, he has an understanding of it because his mom and i explained it to him that the circumstances of how things were before that. he was there when i actually was shot in the house. he heard it, but he didn't know what was going on. so he saw the aftermath of it. like me in the hospital.

you know? >> difficult for a boy. how old was he then? >> yeah, he was -- >> 6 maybe? >> yeah, about 6 years old. he went through some personal issues. like people don't understand why i didn't actually let go of the situation easy, but it affected him in a different way and that made me angrier. because after the process, when i healed, he still had issues. like sometimes he used to actually -- it's almost like he's asleep but he's crying at the same time. and i got to sit and shake him till he wabs up, wakes up. then that was like right after he would go through little things like that. >> a very traumatic thing for him to go through. has it mellowed you, do you think, being a father? >> yeah, definitely. >> you are just calmer, do you think? >> absolutely. he is completely been my motivation since like -- he motivated me to go in a

different direction because i didn't feel like anyone would take care of him if i wasn't around to take care of him. i wanted the relationship that i didn't have with my father with him. so he was like my priority early on. now they live in a different area, but i see him. i get a chance to see him a lot and visit him. >> you wrote this book playground about bullying. were you ever actually bullied yourself or not? >> well, i've seen it take place. and i adapted to it before i was a victim of it. and became part of the problem earlier. you know? and it's interesting to write it and have it come from someone who's been on that side of it and be able to convey how i was dealing with my emotions the wrong way through the actual character in the actual book, i use some scenarios from my adoe

lessent stages and was able to write things that i felt was interesting enough to hold the kid who won't traditionally read a book about bullying because he's that kid that would actually do it. >> who would be your role models? >> my role models, early on i looked up to the wrong people. >> like who? >> they were like guys that had achieved what i viewed as financial freedom in the actual environment, but they got it through the wrong way. >> so that would be the successful drug dealers with the kalgd aks, that kind of thing. >> exactly. >> what about more famous role models? did you have anyone that you looked at that had been hugely successful for the right reasons? was there a role model that came along where you thought, that's where i want to go? >> not that i actually followed. you know? like i had people right in front of me that there was nothing that indicated to me at that

point that i couldn't actually be that guy that i looked at that had the nice things. so i went in that direction. i had interests in different areas. like i was a huge boxing fan. and like when the olympics game and there was parnell whitaker and michael young and michael moore and i followed their careers all the way through. >> when you look at the way that american society is developing, do you feel that the government is tackling social issues in the country in the right way or not? >> well, it's a lot of different issues going at the same time. so it's pretty tough to say those specifics, one that would affect mike tyson or 50 cent, i don't think there's much focus on that. >> should there be? >> everyone would think that it should be in an area that they're affected, you know. but there's so many different areas to actually to attack that it's interesting. it's a choice. and a lot of choices to make in

that actual area, what they should do socially. there wasn't a lot of recreational things for you to do. >> people get bored. young men get bored. and when they get board, they get restless. if they're in the wrong environment, they get violent and they get into drugs. you've got to give people an alternative. >> when you have a male child, a young child, a female child, a young child, a baby watches a baby, a dollhouse, a cooking set. we're teaching nurturing. we offer a male child, cars, trucks. work at the gas station, if it's a fire truck, i'm going to be a fireman, if it's a police car, i'm going to be a police officer. we offer a male child guns, a cap gun, water gun. just makes sounds and light up when you squeeze it. these are toys that are manufactured for children. they manufacture it because they're subconsciously trying to teach that male child to be the financial support of the actual

relationship, his family and a protector. but you can misinterpret it, what those things are there for. >> of course you can. >> with less guidance as a child, you can take that gun and have it mean i want to shoot somebody. >> take another break. i want to come back and talk to you about the united nations. and quite radical stuff you're doing with it. it might surprise people. i think it surprises people about you. if you've just signed up for medicare or will soon,

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i went to africa, the devastation i witnessed changed me forever. people don't know when they're going to see their next meal or if they're going to see their next meal, it's crazy. i want to feed a billion hungry people. i need your help to do that. this is our world, our streets. i need your energy, let's do this. >> this is what it's all about. you're working with the united nations. you met archbishop desmond tutu, right? >> tell me how this directly helps people. >> the actual model is like tom schumacher. every bottle of this energy drink, a meal is being provided through the world. >> what two they sell for? >> $3. >> so 1/50 of that goes to help.

>> whatever the price is at that point, it comes from each bottle sold. >> that seems to me the sensible way to get rich powerful people to make a difference? >> exactly. and i also think that when you have an opportunity to do a project, and it comes from the right place, because you've actually seen it. i grew up in low income housing here in america. and i experienced something in africa, this is far more extreme than that. it makes everything i said that made logical sense out of why i was involved with those activities not make any sense to me. >> the terrible hunger, poverty you thought you were in compared to what you saw when you went to africa. >> it doesn't make sense. >> is wealth and prosperity. >> it doesn't make sense. the people that you would think

are the worst batch of people that we have our worst -- our hardened criminals, right? those people know exactly when they're receiving their meal. they know when chow time is coming every day. you have people that are born that have no control over what's going on at all. young kids that -- according to the united nations, 29,000 people die per day. that's a lot. it's an unbelieve leev elievable number. the world trade center was a horrific tragedy, and it wasn't that many people. >> you're going to give me one of these? >> right. >> there's only one thing i need from you. you are one of the kings of twitter. to my great envy, you have how many followers now? >> 6 million. >> right, i'm at the 1.37 mark.

and i need you to help me. all right? it's a two-way street. i'm promoting all your stuff. what are you @50cent. >> yeah. >> i'm @piersmorgan. you need to do a directive right now. i want to see a live tweet. i want your followers to follow me. and you can add best interview i've ever done. >> should it be appropriate or inappropriate. >> it can be anything you like. as long as the general gift st is, they have to follow me. this is how it works, right? fantastic, come back, would you? i find your views interesting. >> it's cool, i have to pop in every now and then. >> no, just become a regular guest. whenever you feel strongly about something.

>> i can sit back there while we bring the foreign politicians. >> that's a great idea. >> i'm just -- >> we'll have you sitting in the corner. you're talking rubbish. >> yeah, when you get -- they get too sophisticated with their terminology terminology, i can say, can you say that in english? >> why don't we do this? >> i don't understand what you're saying. >> i agree. you come back? >> come back. >> appreciate it.

shocking celebrity news today, or if you're a cynic, maybe not entirely shocking. after 72 days of wedded bliss, kim kardashian filed for divorce from kris humphries saying she had given it massive consideration. i spoke with kim's mother. apparently it's all over already. the marriage is on the rocks? >> yeah, don't tell me that. >> they've been unpacking suitcases left, right, center. >> they've been in new york for the last couple months shooting kourtney and kim take new york. >> somebody better give me a call, because i have work to do. they haven't enjoyed their company for a long time. kim and i went to dubai last week. i was with her alone, but she seemed really happy. >> it looks like the mother of the bright as