conference happened and most of the male callers and male e-mail i've gotten from men to say, you know what, this happened 12 years ago. she didn't complain. there probably isn't anything there. she has gloria allred for goodness sakes. we'll see you back here tomorrow night. "erin burnett outfront" starts right now. thanks, john. we're on the front line in california tonight. conrad murray found guilty in the death of singer michael jackson. was justice actually served? then we still can't resist silvio berlusconi. critics demanding his resignation. not the first time but he's tough as nails. the bottom line on herman cain. a fourth woman came forward this afternoon publicly with graphic detail on what she claims he did. let's go "outfront."

>> i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, a herman cain accuser speaks. she's the fourth woman to accuse the gop front runner of sexual harassment but the first to give specific details and her name, which is sharon bialek. >> he put his hand on my leg, under my skirt and reached for my genitals. he also grabbed my head and brought it towards his crotch. >> we told you it was graphic. i got an e-mail from cain campaign before she even finished talking saying "all allegations of harassment against mr. cain are completely false. mr. cain never harassed anyone." you hooked up fast, mr. carville. thanks. i want to start with you. did you find her credible?

>> you know, it doesn't matter if i found her credible or not. it's just a man who is never going to be a nominee and now he's never, never going to be the republican nominee and everyone says when is the fifth one coming? this thing is endless. i don't know whether she's credible or not. that's not up to me to judge. i'm not going to vote for him any way. this is just too much. republicans are going to back m off on him. >> i had feeling you wouldn't vote for him. jeffrey toobin, what she's alleging would appear to be different from harassment correct? >> it's both harassment and potentially assault. when you push someone's head around, that can count as a sexual if that's what happened. >> let me ask you about something james carville just

said. he is in a dead heat with mitt romney with one of the last polls. 54% of conservatives say they're not concerned about allegations of sexual harassment. >> herman cain never had any business running for president. this past weekend he did a debate with newt gingrich where he was asked about existing structure of medicaid. he completely drew a -- medicare rather. he drew a complete blank. it says something troubling about the party that the candidates who might -- who ought to be candidates, governors and senators are not the candidates and one front runner, mitt romney, is so mistrusted and disliked by republicans and meanwhile they keep flitting from people who are bound to have trouble in their baggage because they haven't gone through political process of being elected governor or mayor and come out on the basis of a speech in a

campaign ad. i hope this is one of those incidents that blasts some sense into the party. whatever happens in this particular case, whatever the truth is, to say you want presidential people, presidential conditions who are presidential material. >> david gergen, let me ask you this, if herman cain can get out of this. >> i want you, mr. cain, to come clean and admit what you did. >> can he get through this, david gergen? >> i don't think so. he could have if he got facts out in the open earlier on with earlier women and said i made mistakes. i didn't think i was being inappropriate but it is what it is. instead we had this pattern of denying everything. the issue is not just whether

he's a skirt chaser. people can make up their own minds about whether that's a disqualification for the presidency. we've had a lot of presidents who did. the issue becomes one of trust. can you now trust him to tell you the truth as a citizen in a time of crisis? that quality of trust is so important to govern and to lead a country. and there's just this accumulation now of stories that make it really sort of -- you almost have to suspend judgment to believe that none of this happened. i just think most americans will listen to it and say, you know, i don't think he's being straight with us. >> james carville, let me ask you this. we're all bringing to mind your former boss. bill clinton. a man who was a skirt chaser in the white house. a man with monica lewinsky. your life as adviser changed when you got that phone call. he lied and came clean and people still love him. >> well, one thing is because

people saw underlying talent in bill clinton and they wanted him to be their leader. we went through this in '92 and '98 and i think i'm safe as saying he's the most popular political person on earth now. there's a difference between bill clinton and herman cain. don't mean to gloat about my boss, but you can't get them out in the same breath. herman cain is not demonstratiig political skill that bill clinton had and no history in the republican party nominating anybody like herman cain ever and they weren't going to do it from the get-go and the only interesting question now is if mitt romney can't climb above 25% after this, you got to really wonder about the whole thing because everything is falling his way so far. >> i want to ask you about other candidates but let me ask you first, jeff toobin, this is the fourth woman. the first woman as we know has said she's done with this and won't hear anymore. there are two others.

will we hear from more now that this precedent has been set by ms. bialek? >> probably not. they made decision these don't want to be public people. i don't see any reason why this would change their minds. they probably feel good. i know that one of their lawyers has said this corroborates my client but she doesn't want to come forward. i don't think we'll hear more. >> this whole issue of dissatisfaction. is it too late? a month or six weeks ago people were saying if we didn't have a candidate by the spring, we could pull the not totally unprecedented thing where you end up with a republican candidate sort of a dark horse who gets drafted at the last minute. that was chris christie and he endorsed mitt romney. >> this is the field. this is the field. this is always been the field. it was -- it's an enormous undertaking to run for president. not something to be done lightly. although herman cain is an

offbeat candidate. even if he were a more serious candidate, you see the problems when you begin to run at the last minute. this is the field. republicans need to either make their peace with it or to understand and i think this is the real question, why was it that the tea party movement that announced as being important to the regeneration of the republican party has not been able to come up with credible presidential candidates. they flitted from one person after another who was severely flawed in ways that make even the sitting governor of texas you might think a credible candidate an incredible candidate. >> all right. gentlemen, thank you very much to all four of you. we appreciate it. it's interesting. a lot of it comes down to social issues with fiscal issues. we'll keep talking about this. but up next, conrad murray found guilty of involuntary manslaughter at the michael jackson death trial. how much time is he actually going to serve in jail? we'll talk to someone who knew him for 25 years and the penn state sex scandal. two school officials lied for

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>> we, the jury in the above entitled action, find the defendant conrad robert murray guilty of the crime of involuntary manslaughter. >> guilty. that's the verdict in the case against dr. conrad murray after more than ten hours of deliberating, the jury says michael jackson's physician was responsible for causing his death. dr. murray faces up to four years in prison on the count of involuntary manslaughter but she's not going to be sentenced until november 29th. ted rowlands has been in the courtroom every day. he was there when the verdict was read. ted, let me ask you, what was the scene like at that time.

it sounded like her voice broke a bit. what's it like right now? >> the court clerk was obviously nervous knowing the world was watching her. outside of the courthouse of course there were hundreds of people. it has died down. the crowds have at this hour. a lot of reaction mainly pro-jackson folks, jackson fans, people supporting the family were outside of the courthouse. inside of the courthouse an inside that courtroom it was extremely dramatic as you might imagine. you had murray's family to one side. the jacksons on the other. you could hear a pin drop before ms. benson gave the verdict. >> what happens now in terms of the sentence? i know you have been reporting all the way through he might get up to four years but because of the situation in california jails, he may not serve any. do you have any sense of that and what about an appeal? >> reporter: he'll serve time and there may be an appeal. what he may not serve is time in the state penitentiary.

assume he's sentenced to four years in prison which most people think is the likely sentence here, he'll probably serve it in a county jail because of the overcrowding situation in the state of california. he's a nonviolent prisoner so no reason he can't take advantage of the new way of conducting business in the state to have a nonviolent short-term prisoner send it in a county prison instead of going to the state pen. i think they'll file an appeal rather quickly. >> the guilty verdict was welcome news to michael jackson's family. right before the show i spoke to longtime jackson family friend brian oxman who told me how he and the jacksons were feeling about the verdict. >> erin, i think the overwhelming feeling is one of being empty. i just cannot really describe the feeling. there's no sense of vindication. there's no sense of justice having been done. it's empty. the fact is conrad murray is guilty. we know that. we are still without michael

jackson and his kids are without their dad and that leaves me empty. >> how are the kids doing? i know you have talked to them through this. michael jackson's children, how are they doing? >> i spoke to mr. jackson this morning and to randy jackson, they were very apprehensive about the verdict. i know that the children, prince, paris and prince michael, who we call blanket, have really been -- they tried to be sheltered but you can't shelter those children from the biggest news story there is. they know what's happening. they know that they don't have their father and they knew that this was judgment day and it left them, i think, wondering what's it all about? >> the children, obviously we've been showing some pictures. there have been a lot of pictures of them lately. they've always been smiling. they seem a lot more accustomed to the public eye. do you think we'll be seeing more of them? >> i think we'll see a lot of them because they were michael jackson's greatest work. people say these kids turn out

so nice. they're interesting. well spoken. they're very smart, sharp children. how could that possibly be? because that was michael's job in his life as he saw it. this was his most important project. it was his greatest work. and for the public to look at them and say, how did that happen? those of us who knew michael who knew what importance his kids were, we say but of course it had to be. >> i want to ask you about this. conrad murray, so he receives a guilty verdict. by virtually all accounts, michael jackson had a problem. he had an addiction problem with drugs. do you feel that family friends like you or people in the family were also part of how this came to such a sad ending with people enabling his addiction? >> any time you have someone who is experiencing this kind of usage of medications, you have both a sense that they have to be individually responsible and

of course they can be and they should be but the people who are around michael who demanded that the doctor be hired who paid this doctor $150,000 a month, michael didn't do that. that was done by the concert promoters. they bear a responsibility here. it's as if this were the horse trainer that said get the horse out on the racetrack and i don't care what you have to do. that's what happened here with michael jackson and the people who were around him have not born the responsibility which they deserve. >> you think there are other people to blame other than conrad murray but you wouldn't put the family in that group even though randy has talked before about how he regrets some of the enabling he did. >> randy tried so many times to get his brother to get rid of all of these people who were supplying him with these kinds of medications. he tried and he tried. let me tell you something.

this is a family that was responsible for michael jackson, responsible to him, but when you have the kind of money floating around, what do you say to a man who is a billionaire? you cannot alter his opinion. you cannot alter what he does. and that's just the plain facts of the matter. >> do you feel some sympathy then for dr. murray who -- at all do you feel sympathy for him? >> i feel sorry for dr. murray. i don't think he wanted to hurt michael jackson. i don't think he had malice in his heart at all. he got around michael. he lost his ethics. he lost his sanity and he did things which were absolutely reckless and irresponsible. yes, i feel sorry for him, but i say, you know something, what's right is right. he did not do right by michael jackson. >> brian oxman, thanks so much. >> you got it. scandal is rocking the legendary football program at penn state. this story is disturbing.

two high ranking official, former director of athletics, tim curley and former director of finance, gary schultz, faced arraignment that they lied to a grand jury investigating allegations of sex abuse, against jerry sandusky charged with sexually abusing 8-year-old boys over a 15-year period. earlier i spoke with cnn national correspondent jason carroll and asked him about how the officials may have resigned but really how is it possible to defend the fact that they covered this up for so long? >> reporter: so many questions in this. what was so incredible being out here today after the attorney general gave her press conference was to listen to curley and attorneys how they came out in such defense and they were so passionate basically saying that the attorney general wanted to have a fight on her hands, erin, and

they will have a fight on their hands because their clients are innocent. to charge someone with perjury is a charge of last resort. this is how the attorneys are coming out and fighting some of these allegations. >> and legendary coach joe paterno's name has been swirling is around. he said he didn't know the extent of allegations and reported it to one of his superiors, one of the guys that resigned today. i'm wondering is paterno going to be pursued as well by authorities? >> i think that's why a lot of people were coming out to the press conference with the attorney general today because we wanted to hear whether or not paterno would be facing any charges. it's not the case. in the eyes of the law and i know a lot of people are going to have a problem with this, in the eyes of the law, they say paterno did what he needed to do. he spoke to his immediate supervisor when that allegation of sexual abuse came to his

desk. now, there's a big question about legally did he do the right thing and morally did he do the right thing. i think morally that's a different situation. >> all right. now just to make sure i said that correctly. there were eight boys that were apparently abused between the ages of 8 and 15 and jason was telling me earlier that he thinks more will come forward. more details on the herman cain sexual harassment claims coming up and what it will mean to his campaign. amazing poll in the last hour and then an international terrorist is in court for the four bombings that took place in paris nearly 30 years ago. he's alive. and the latest on silvio berlusconi. he refuses to stop. we cannot resist watching.

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now a story we can't resist. italian prime minister silvio berlusconi refusing to resign even though his critics say he no longer commands the support to pass the reforms needed for italy to avoid financial armageddon. analysts are deeply and rightly worried that unlike three countries that europe may be bailing out, greece, ireland and portugal, italy is too big to rescue. it is. part of the story we can't resist isn't that. it's that people think he's going to quit because that is not the silvio berlusconi we know on this show. this is a guy who has been accused of sleeping with an underage prostitute, been

convicted on charges of fraud and corruption and yet he keeps getting up. he's like the rocky balboa of politicians and we're glad. as bad as he may be for italy, he's great for our we can't resist segment and so to encourage him to keep getting up every day when people like us knock him down, we can't resist showing you and him this inspirational clip from the 2006 movie rocky balboa. >> what did you say to the kid? it ain't about how hard you hit, it's about how hard you can get hit. how much will you take and keep moving forward. >> let's go get him! >> rocky! rocky! rocky!

>> we just couldn't resist. keep fighting, silvio. >> out front, the out front five. >> he put his hand on my leg under my skirt. just admit what you did. admit you were inappropriate to people. >> every greek person needs psychological help. >> greek feesko. >> they plan their future a certain way and now everything changes. >> before you come back with another lame ass offer, think about what your spine is worth. >> all this "outfront" in our second half. ♪

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we start the second half of our show with stories we care about and focus on our own reporting, do the work and find the "outfront" five first. there are still nearly 50,000 customers in connecticut without power nine days after that freak october snowstorm. and for some the power isn't going to be coming back for days. "outfront" learned connecticut light and power expects 50 towns to be without power until wednesday. number two, as european union pressures greece to make drastic spending cuts, there's one area that is apparently not on the chopping block. defense. andrew feinstein who wrote a

book on arms trading told "outfront" that france and germany, powerful members of the eu, biggest suppliers of weapons to greece and the united states. maybe that's why all three countries supported bailout with no defense cuts. number three, the internet briefly went out today to millions of people around the world. a software glitch crashed the network. it created blackouts across the world and also knocked blackberry service offline. everything is back to normal. my beloved was fine all day. she. i'm going to give her a gender. she was fine. number four, consumer credit in september rising by more than expected. $7.4 billion. that nearly erased august's $9.6 billion drop. the data is important because it tracks how much money consumers are borrowing. economists we spoke to say the rise was likely due to an increase in auto loans which is not necessarily bad if you have the credit and desire to make a big purchase like that. credit card debt fell for the third month in a row. it's been 94 days since the

u.s. lost its top credit rating. what are we doing to get it back? by the way, we're not the only ones worried about our credit rating. france unveiling its second austerity budget in three months. as mark haynes would say, really? france has aaa and we don't. political bombshell no herman cain. a come accused cain of sexual harassment came forward with explosive allegations. >> he put his hand on my leg under my skirt and reached for my genitals. he also grabbed my head and brought it towards his crotch. >> cain denies any inappropriate behavior. his campaign put out this statement. "all allegations against mr. cain are completely false. mr. cain has never harassed anyone." okay. great to have all three of you with us. we've talked a lot about the

veracity of this. she seemed to be a credible and calm woman. gloria, i want to ask you this. you're the woman here. one thing stood out to me because she did seem to be very authentic about what she was saying. when this happened she had a boyfriend of four years and a mentor and she did not tell them or anyone else any of the details. is that unusual? does that in your view affect this or not? >> it's my understanding that she's got statements from them corroborating that they knew that something had occurred at the time. >> yes. >> i think whether she shared every detail could be kind of embarrassing and maybe you don't want to do that. i think the fact that she has these corroborating statements is very important. also very important is the fact that the lawyer for the first accuser who came out on friday said that what this woman said today corroborates what his client has told him so i think

you're reaching a critical mass here and the republicans that i talked to including conservatives in the important state of iowa are saying he's got to come out front and address these charges. >> you talked to those people in iowa today, right, gloria? >> absolutely. just like within an hour and one, the leading republican activist said this is a test of his leadership and a tipping point for his campaign. one more thing, our own bill bennett well respected conservative republican wrote a piece on cnn.com saying if herman cain cannot stand up to these charges and refuses to, he should step out of the race. >> legally, paul, what happens from here? what can happen from here? >> he has to stand up to these charges. i think if you isolate them and look at them one by one, he can fight them off. charge number one, there was a confidentiality agreement

national restaurant association releases the woman. she refuses to make a public statement. he had denied that anything went wrong there. charge number two, that woman has never publicly stated what the charge is. cain says it never happened. woman number three, unanimous charge. we can't look at that. and now this one, the last one, she hires gloria allred who has a rogue gallery of women who just look for publicity in these cases. a couple of gloria's recent cases, ginger -- what was her name? ginger lee, porn star, offended by anthony weiner texting her. my favorite was the new york case. remember the banker who said she was fired for being too attractive and appeared at a press conference with a low c cut -- the fact that gloria allred is representing her i don't know if that adds credibility. why wait 14 years? >> she does have a lot of very serious women in cases in her

history. >> i could defend each of these cases if he hires me. politics is another matter. >> gloria, you were jumping in. go ahead. >> just because she hired gloria allred doesn't mean she's not telling the truth. >> absolutely. >> let's talk about the politics. a poll came out which granted was taken before today's coming out by ms. bialek. tied still. >> this is what's extraordinary. this shows his supporters are ere eroding but not imploding. numbers the same as a month ago before allegations started to swirl before today's press conference. here's important data to keep in mind. 54% of republican primary voters say they are not concerned at all about the charges. that's incredibly significant. you see a rally around the flag effect where people are saying the media is beating up on herman cain. i don't believe it. he's raised $2 million in the last two weeks. that's significant. also, even though his negatives are up dramatically which is

understandable, his somewhat positive rating actually jumped significantly to 32 from 24. again, you are seeing support for herman cain solidify in part because of these attacks. whether this press conference will be a tipping point will be an interesting challenge. >> do you see a gender breakdown? >> we are seeing some gender breakdown. you also see an age breakdown. you see some fishers in his support but overall right now you see fascinating rally around the flag effect part of this political cycle. >> for or against? >> young people are saying maybe we got doubts and older voters stick with herman. >> herman cain was never particularly popular with women voters to begin with in the republican party. tonight's nbc/"wall street journal" poll shows that negative ratings have tripled in one month. republican women are very, very important chunk of the primary electorate for the party so

you'll have to see where women come down on this and again he's got to start talking about these specific allegations particularly since a woman put herself on the line today with it. i don't see how he continues his campaign without addressing this charge specifically. >> all right. thanks to all of you. we'll keep talking about this. interesting aside, viewers curious what you all think and let us know on our facebook page. sharon bialek is a woman and self-identified member of the tea party. let's check in with anderson cooper. >> more on conrad murray found guilty of involuntary manslaughter in michael jackson's death. what's next for michael jackson's personal physician? randi kaye was in the courthouse. we'll talk to her. dr. sanjay gupta takes us into the e.r. to show us the power of the anesthetic used on murray. also tonight, the story you were

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we do this at the same time every time. our outer circle reaching out to circles rooaround the world. we begin in greece tonight where financial turmoil has forced the prime minister to step down. diana, here's the bottom line. who is going to run greece? >> this country will have a new government and i hoped by now to give you the name of the new leader but it seems that's going to take a little bit more time. now the pamain purpose of this w interim government is to try to push through terms of bailout struck with european lenders two weeks ago. that will come as some reassurance to euro zone leaders but for the people of this country, it means more cuts to come and that means tens of thousands of job cuts in the public sector, salary and

pension cuts across the board. >> thank you. in syria, activists say the government killed nearly two dozen protesters while still more army defectors cross over to the opposition. we go to beirut, lebanon tonight. >> the exact number is unknown but commander of the free syrian army says that his troops number in the thousands. not quite a level that is going to pose any sort of significant threat to the syrian security forces or the regime but there have been a growing clashes between them and between the syrian security forces especially in flash point cities where activists say they have seen a crackdown in these particular areas. >> thank you. in paris today, the notorious convicted murderer of carlos the jackal went on trial again. this time for four deadly bombings which took place in paris nearly 30 years ago.

why so long and what was carlos the jackal like in court today? >> he was in a fighting mood. when asked for his occupation, he answered professional revolutionary. he's known as carlos the jackal. he was legendary among revolutionary movements in the '70s particularly with the palestinian cause. now, he maintains his innocence in this case and one of the reasons it took so long to get this case to trial was that prosecutors had to go through decades of secret service files to actually get evidence, erin. >> amazing. guilty verdict in the case against conrad murray. >> it was dr. murray's repeated incompetent and unskilled acts that led to mr. jackson's death on june 25th, 2009.

>> michael jackson self-administered a dose of propofol that with the lorazepam killed him instantly. >> were you asked to call 911? >> no, sir. >> did conrad murray ever mention the word propofol to you? >> no, he did not. >> he reached out to me and said, here, put these in a bag. >> when you monitor a patient, you never leave their side. >> i have never had a doctor that was more caring. >> you think it was a self-injection of propofol that did it? >> in my opinion, yes. >> it could also be a lie, correct? >> if you say so, i guess, yeah. >> conrad murray caused the death of michael jackson. abandoned michael jackson. >> guilty! guilty! guilty! >> for a crime to be proven,

prosecution has to show that dr. murray actually killed michael jackson. >> justice demands a guilty verdict. >> we, the jury in the above entitled action, find the defendant, conrad robert murray, guilty. >> 23 days of testimony. 49 witnesses. and more than ten hours of deliberations for a jury to find conrad murray responsible for the death of michael jackson. he faces up for four years in prison. he's being held without bail until sentencing on november 29th. sheppard kopp defended michael jackson on child molestation charges and has been following this case and joins us tonight from los angeles. thank you for being with us. were you surprised at all by this verdict? >> not at all. although i think the defense did everything that they could, dr. murray himself dealt them a bad

hand and they played it the best way they could. >> i know you say that. you also were interested in the fact that the defense didn't pursue some things. prosecution tried to say this guy is a drug addict but a great father. a great father but a guy who had child molestation charges a few years ago. did the defense not take advantage of those inconsistencies? >> well, that was one of the things that struck me in the prosecution closing argument. i think it was clearly objectionable for the d.a. to get up there and talk about the fact that michael jackson's children would not have a father for the rest of their lives. the defense made a tactical decision not to object to that. i think it was clearly objectionable and then tried to come back in their argument and say, look, they are appealing to your passion and prejudice because they don't have the facts. the problem was they had the facts. >> bail was denied. were you surprised? it was $75,000. is dr. murray a flight risk? >> i don't think he's a flight

risk. i think this was really a function of having cameras in the courtroom and a mob outside of the courthouse. the judge made a finding that dr. murray poses a substantial risk if he's released on bail pending sentencing. why? what's he going to do? run around with an injection of propofol giving of propofol giving it randomly to somebody? he's clearly not going to be a danger. >> i was wondering if you were going to say that. since you represented michael jackson from 2003 to 2005. his guilt or innocence on child molestation is still a topic of passionate debate in this country and around the world. what can you tell us about what really happened? >> well, i can't reveal any attorney/client communications or work product, obviously. i think all the facts were on display during that trial, and it was not a very friendly vimt and yet those jurors in santa barbara county acquitted him.

i think it was largely due to the fact that the prosecution witnesses in that case just weren't believable. >> thanks very much for being with us tonight. we appreciate it. all right. coming up environmental crusader erin brockovich comes out front to talk about the nuclear threat in this country. she outfront next. we were actually thinking, maybe... we're going to hike up here, so we'll catch up with you guys. [ indistinct talking and laughter ] whew! i think it's worth it. working with a partner you can trust is always a good decision. massmutual. let our financial professionals help you reach your goals. [ male announcer ] when a moment suddenly turns romantic, men with erectile dysfunction can be more confident in their ability to be ready with cialis for daily use. even if it doesn't happen every day,

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in 1993, despite a lack of

formal law school education, eric brockovich was instrumental in constructing a case against a company that poisoned the water supply of hinckley, california. now, the film that tells that story and shares her name brought her to the world's attention and won julia roberts an oscar. now erin runs her own consulting firm. she has written a fictional thriller about nuclear energy entitled "hot water." thanks for being with us. >> thanks for having me. >> your thriller takes place in the south. kind of got me thinking a lot of people don't realize that we get 15 to 20% of our power in this country from nuclear. in researching this you came up with truly terrifying scenarios that the experts hadn't even thought of but subsequent to this research said this is real. >> if you're talking about a book or a facility down there and we've taken so much about nuclear power -- >> yes. >> i don't want to say for granted, but we've become very complacent about what's going on

out there. there's one of several issues. i'm not sure which one you want me to target. >> people hear about fukushima, there are things people are afraid of. but you're talking they don't even know to worry about. >> some of the things we're afraid of is there's been some meltdowns. i deal with the situation in simi valley, california, where there's actually a meltdown and people don't know that. but we're trying to address these massive amounts of cancer in and around the area. i was desperately trying before i came on the show -- i lost my connection at home, to kind of give you some information about people that are reporting and some of the things that are happening. another thing that we take for granted, it isn't necessarily about a nuclear power plant but about all these nuclear weapons and ammunitions that have been buried in and around towns that we aren't addressing and are releasing nuclear and in some instances radiation and fallout. and we're seeing -- i'm seeing these disease processes. and i'm being inundated with this from, like, the perry

nuclear facility, as i said, in simi valley, california, oak ridge, tennessee, out in las vegas where there's nuclear test sites and what's happening. down in to florida and their nuclear power plants. there was a fascinating study that was done called the tooth fairy where they actually were studying baby teeth. and they were finding like 33% increase in disease just in and around these nuclear facilities. the gannon nuclear power plant which is right here in upstate new york. the issues in long island and the nuclear waste there. middletown, ohio, nuclear waste and eye munition. these are just a few of the things that i don't think people are looking at when it comes to nuclear power. >> 120 million americans live within 50 mile of these plants. you're mentioning a few of them. these are very real. people don't often think about it. >> we don't. >> no. what was the best part about writing a thriller about this for you? >> because i love a.j.

because she's just not perfect. i don't think any of us are. >> she's sort of you, right? >> she's sort of me. but a.j.'s figured out how to be her own investigator. not to create this big panic and care, but get people to become aware of their surroundings and what's happening in their community. and oftentimes we'll see somebody we aspire to be, but we say, oh, i'll never be that person or i can't be like that. i'm hoping that a.j. can touch everybody and that they realize they can be like her as well. so i'm intrigued by her myself. she gets a lot of -- gets away with a lot of things that i couldn't do. so i love that about her. but again, she doesn't have the most formal education, but that's the thing. you just don't dish believe you have to have some ph.d. to pay attention to what's going on around you, become aware and to know that you can do things to help protect yourself. >> all the cancers around the

country, you track them. 168 sites. >> on my map. >> where are you focused right now? where are some of the areas you see the clusters that may or may not be related to nuclear. >> it's pretty startling to think are a visual. up in the northeast corner where we're speaking, in and around new york and new jersey. there's clusters. as you open it up, you can see it. in california, there's particular clusters. >> you say you get e-mails from around the world. i've traveled to places where there are clearly vimtal issues. where are you getting an uptick in people reaching out to you outside the u.s.? >> i track nfs from 124 countries and territories. australia, canada, ireland, greece, a lot. >> greece? >> italy a lot. france is coming in. south africa. and most recently, because i can