cnnpolitics.com. that does it for our whirlwind of the two hours. you can continue that with suzanne malveaux. i'm suzanne malveaux. i want to get you up to speed for this thursday, november 10. eggs expect to hear live from penn state's new head football coach any minute now. defensive coordinator tom bradley. steps up to the job, tporary job, that joe paterno had been fired from. taking at a live look. people are outraged by his abrupt dismissal. >> we want joe! we want joe! >> hundreds of students ran wild overnight to protest paterno's firing. board of trustees fired the university's president. the members, they are furious overing the fact that two didn't do more to stop defensive coach jerry sandusky who is charged with child molestation.

>> effective immediately, joe paterno is no longer the head football coach. effective immediately. >> that means paterno won't coach the final home game against nebraska. paterno accepts the board's decision but adds, quote, it is going to take some time to get used to. overnig we are going live to penn state. when tom bradley speaks. take a look at those live pictures. greece has a new interm prime minister to avoid an economic collapse. lucas pkcas papademos. . in eastern turkey, rescuers are digging through piles of rubble to try to find dozens of people who are trapped still

after earthquake struck last night. at least seven people were killed and this moderate quake hit less than a month after you may recall the major quake that struck the same area killing more than 500. major league baseball's wilson ramos has been kidnapped now at gunpoint. it happened at his family's home in venezuela. the 24-year-old, catcher for the washington nationals, reportedly taken by four armed men in an suv that happened yesterday. reports say that ramos family still has not heard from these kidnappers. presidential candidate rick perry is trying to recover from the gaffe heard around the country at a cnn interview this morning. perry said that it shows -- he is not the slickest politician in the field. he says the country needs substance over style. but still even perry admitted he stepped in it, that's in his words, when he stumbled during that debate last night. >> the third agency of government, i would do away with

education, the -- commerce, and let's see. i can't. the third one, i can't. sorry. oops. >> also last night, herman cain fended off questions about the is exle with harassment allegations against him. now he got support from the audience and not surprisingly. crowed booed when the moderators brought up the issue. more on this debate coming up very soon. country music star taylor swift. she has reason to celebrate. >> the cma award for entertainer of the year goes to -- taylor swift! >> swift took home the top honor at the country music association awards. that happened in nashville. second time that she has won that award. congratulations to her. there is anger and disbelief on the penn state campus.

let's go direct live. we are now understanding the acting director is speaking. >> thank you for coming. as you all know this is a difficult time for penn state university, its students, alumni and supporters. coach paterno served this university as an educator, football coach, and impact locally and nationally is immeasurable. for the first time in 60 years, coach paterno will not be coaching saturday's game. the circumstances and allegations surrounding this case were horrific. our thoughts and prayers are with all of the victims and their families who have suffered. after the board meeting last evening, rod ericson and i selected tom bradley to serve as our penn state interim head football coach. tom dedicated his career to serving his alma mater and

helping student athletes excel on and off the field. we thank him for that unwavering of and look forward to his continuing leadership. as acting athletic director, i will ensure that our department will provide the resources necessary to support him throug. our football team and staff have worked tremendously hard this season and will push through this adversity. we are particularly proud of the accomplishments of this team and especially want to honor those seniors for finishing their home collegiate careers. i hope that our student athletes and fans will continue to support them and show penn state pride. families who entrust us with their children demand us to be

stewards, role models, and leaders, and solid decisionmakers. we will take that responsibility to heart. tom will certainly take that responsibility to heart. ladies and gentlemen, please join me in welcoming our interim head football coach, mr. tom bradley. >> raise your hand and we will bring a microphone to you. >> in light of the circumstance s, do you have any reservations or what kind of reservations? >> i take this job with very mixed emotions due to the

situation. i have been asked by the university, by the board of trustees, by rod ericson, to handle this. and i told him i would do it last night. and i will proceed in the manner that the penn state expects as i met with the pliers last night and today. i told them the expectations are the expectations. we are no going to waiver fr from -- waver from that. the players came over last night to the last building. we talked about certain things. we went over certain ways. we proceeded this morning to have a staff meeting and then a team meeting at 8:00. i have no reservations about take thing job. >> tom? >> when and how did you learn that you would become the interim head coach? >> i was actually in my office watching film last night, like i do every wednesday nature. the phone rang.

it was rod ericson calling on the phone about 9:45. and he asked me if would take the job as interim football coach. i accepted. i proceeded to make sure i got ahold of the team captains and other people so that we could get started immediately on the process. >> ron, your brother told me earlier today that you face a huge challenge. he said you are really sad about the whole -- the way this unfolded. now you face a toughest three-game stretch of the season. it is almost unparallel. >> first off, i -- i did talk to may brother later last night and i -- i first off i grieve for the victims. i grieve for the families. deeply saddened by that. it is with great emotion that i say that. and, you know, the football part, we will get working on that right youaway. i think you should know where our team is towards the whole

issue. towards those children and towards their families and -- our thoughts and prayers are with them. >> jeff? >> i called coach paterno last night around 11:00. i think that's personal in nature. >> corey? >> tom, will mike mcqueary be coaching in saturday's game? if so, will he be on the sideline, press box? >> right now coach mcqueary will be coaching saturday. that will be a game time decision where he is. >> nate? >> tom, given how long you have been here, did you feel it was appropriate that joe was informed of his termination via phone call? >> i'm not in -- i'm not actually alerted how the coach was alerted to that until this morning.

i heard it was by phone call. >> do you think that was appropriate? >> that's not for me to say. the board of trustees made a decision. that's their decision. >> here on the right. >> coach bradley, i understand that you had testified before the grand jury that was investigating this sandusky affair and i was wondering if you could explain what you came to know about that 2002 incident or any of the other incidents regarding coach sandusky. >> due to the ongoing investigation, i'm not going to say anything about that matter. >> neil? >> tom, you have been a defensive coach and in charge of the defense. how involved will you be with the offense and what will be the process in determining starting quarterback and how you use the quarterback? >> first off, when you talked to the team today i think they know me pretty well. i am who i am. i'm not going to change. i'm not going to pretend i'm

somebody else. and when the time comes, and we sit down as a staff which we will, we will make that decision who the starting quarterback will be. and right now, i have made decisions based with our staff. not quite sure exactly so i want to make sure i clarify this. but right now, larry johnson and ron, we co-coordinators on defense. i'm not sure if we label to get that in full swing for saturday's game because obviously we have not practiced that way in regarding signals and calls and how that all works out. but we are going to head in that direction. robinson, he will be a full-time coach starting today. >> in the back? >> some people have speculated that the whole current staff should go. you being part of the current staff. obviously you are just interim right now. how do you feel if that were to be the case to replace it in a permanent standards? >> that's a decision up to the board of trustees and penn

state. it is not my decision. i have been asked to do a job and i will do that job. >> if that would happen, what are your thoughts on that? how would you feel about that if you were let go just because you are a member of the current staff, not because -- >> once again, that's their decision. not mine. >> joe? >> you worked with jerry sandusky a long time. could you characterize your relationship and how shocked were you to hear the allegations? >> once again, due to the allegations, i'm not going to comment on that. jerry was the defensive coordinator when i was here. you worked underneath him. >> john? >> coach, for a public watching nationally is it reasonable for them to assume four or five coach wes more than 20 years of experience on this staff and mike mcqueary and joe paterno were the only only ones aware of jerry sandusky's alleged perversions? >> once again, i answered that question. due to the ongoing investigation i'm not going to talk about it. >> in the back? >> coach, as far as the reputation's standpoint what does this team do to rebuild that trust in the community off

the football field in your mind? >> we have to understand that this team has put a lot of hard work in. this is senior day for them. they deserve to have this day. that's what they worked for this whole year. and my job is to facilitate that happens. you no, i think the reputation penn state will go about it in the proper manner and restore the foundation and principles of the pennsylvania state university. >> tom, right here, tom. in light of the -- first of all, our thoughts about the wake of the decision about joe paterno, and do you worry about the safety and atmosphere for the players and the fans in the stadium on saturday given everything that has taken place? >> no. i understood there was activity last night. no, do i not worry about the safety of our players on saturday. >> meeting with the players last night, how are they handling such a monumental change at this point in the season? >> well, obviously a lot of them are in shock.

they have had mixed emotions. when i called up and spoke to the captains and whole bunch of guys came over to the last building last might and piled into my office, we discussed team matters. >> mark? >> have you been given any indication the team will be playing after saturday? >> what do you mean playing after saturday? >> will there be football games after saturday? >> hopefully so. that's up to the administration. >> john? >> coach, you guys have a lot left to play for. can you talk about get thing team back together considering what they have been through in trying to march forward with what can potentially be in front of you? >> we have great leadership on this football team. okay. once again, when i spoke to them this morning, it is their team. okay. they are not here for me. i'm here to help them be as good as they can possibly be. and that's the direction we are going. i don't think that there is any problem. they will be focussed and my job is to make sure they stay

focused obviously they had a tremendous amount of distraction over the past week. a great group. okay. they will come to play on saturday. >> given the intense national scrutiny for mike mcqueary why do you think it is appropriate for him to coach in this game and continue to be face in this you don't know. >> that's a decision up to mark and acting athletic director. >> in the back? >> was there any consideration given to dismissing mike mcqueary? were you part of any conversations whatsoever about potentially relieving him of his duties with the football team? >> absolutely not. >> ron? >> tom, i know you have wait ad long time to be head coach. you couldn't imagine it under these circumstances. can you sum up your feelings? >> we are obviously in a very unprecedented situation and find ourselves in. you know, i just -- i'm going to find a way to restore the

confidence and start healing process. with everybody and i'm going to try to go about it. as i said earlier, with very mixed emotion and heavy heart that this occurred, that i'm going through this. >> matt? >> you said -- >> we are listening to tom bradley. interim coach now at penn state. he says that he has mixed emotions accept thing new position, that he grieves for the family as well as the alleged victims of the sex 'because case and had numerous meetings with the players and describes those players and as in a state of shock. that they, too, have mixed on motions in moving forward. but he says that they he has a job to do. he's going to try to do that job. again, bring this football team, this campus and community, back to a place where they can move forward. you want to bring in jason carroll who has been at the penn state cam puthe campus all week. i will ask you about joe paterno who was fired after 46 years on the job by the board.

kind of an unceremonious way yesterday. but what do we know about this guy, tom bradley? what's the reaction here that they are signing an interim coach? >> well, i think that among a lot of the students here who know college football, are familiar with the team, i don't think they will be unhappy with the decision that someone like tom bradley is stepping in. of course, they are unhappy withing the fact that paterno was forced out. but you heard what bradley had to saw about him having to accept this position. he found out very late last night, finding out about 9:45. that's when he got the call. the new interim president here a penn state. also interesting to hear that bradley about 11:00 last night called paterno. but he told -- said during that press conference there that that conversation with paterno was private. paterno and bradley go way back

in some ways paterno was bradley's mentor. back in the '70s, bradley actually played for the team as defensive back. that was early in the '70s. then in 1980, that's when he took over defensive coordinator. he's been associated with this team for a very, very long time. >> maybe can bring consistency or a bridge during this very difficult for that community. thank you, jason. i also want to bring in roxanne jones, penn state alum and ceo of push marketing group and founder of "espn the magazine." we spoke over the last couple of day about the story that unfolded here. coach joe paterno has been fired. do you think the board did the right thing? do you think these guys got what they deserved? is there more fallout here? >> i absolutely agree with the board's decision. i'm glad that they had the courage to do that. i think that i along with thousands of other people would

have been severely disappointed if coach and the president were allowed to go out on that your own terms. with grace and deg nitty which certainly was not anything those young boys had. it was the right call. >> do you think paterno tow should face criminal charges for failing to report alleged rape that took place in -- in the showers? >> it doesn't really matter what i think. it matters what the law says. i don't think that we have seen an end to maybe criminal charges there. i think that if there were moral charges and that were a crime he certainly would be facing that. what he did was really inexcusable. as he said in his own release. >> you have watched and were a penn state student. you have soft spot for coach paterno and said he was a good man. just yesterday. there are a lot of people who out there, several thousand penn state students supporting him. yesterday we saw this turn around. violent, news truck that was overturned and throwing stuff at police.

did that surprise you at all the way there were some students that took to the streets and reacted that way? >> no. it doesn't surprise me because i know about the -- you know, kind of group mentality. among young people. but it does disappoint me. and that's the kind of anger and passion and response i would have wanted to see from the grad assistant that saw this heinous crime allegedly being commit order young boys, from coach paterno, from the coaches around this that knew. i would want them to be outraged and physically violent. i think it is misplaced by the students what does this university need to do to get past this scandal? >> they ned to clear out all of the people who were involved, fire them, get to the bottom of what happened. why it happened, why there were no checks and balances why people put the program and money above humanity and the lives of these young boys. more heads need to roll, i

think. they need to deal with it head-on, square on. and try to clean it up as quickly as possible without any, you know, emotions about how great the football team is he there. the football team is not the you don't know. the football program is not the university. and so they need to really take care of it for the best interest of the entire university. >> sure. would you give money to the school? >> not right now. not right now. i would not. i would wait to make sure that the board of trustees is leadinging tleading ing t the university in the right direction before i make that decision. >> roxanne jones, thank you very much. the next hour i will ask a currentpers curreku current student about joe paterno's dismissal. he thinks paterno got a raw deal. up next, forgetful rick perry makes a big blunder at the presidential debate. his competition tried to save him. we will show you how. progresso. it fits!

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he became president. during what was an excruciating 53 seconds of really a presidential train wreck. he come remember two of those departments. here is how it happened. >> i will tell you, it is three agencies of government when i get there that are gone. commerce, education, and the -- what's the third one there? let's see. >> five. >> oh, five. okay. commerce, education, and -- the -- >> epa? >> epa, there you go. no, no. >> that subject -- >> seriously? is epa the one you are talking about? >> no no, sir. no, sir. we are talking about the -- agencies of government -- epa needs to be rebuilt. no doubt about that. >> you can't name the third one? >> the third agency of government, i would do away with the education, the -- >> commerce. >> commerce. and let's see.

>> oh, my. >> i can't the third one, i can't. sorry. oops. >> reporter: after the debate, governor perry knew he was in trouble. he marched right into the post-debate spin room. told reporters that yes, stepped in it. the question now is whether he can step out of it. earlier this morningameric "american rning, he vowed to soldier on with his campaign. >> obviously i stepped in -- but, again, i go -- i have my moment of humor with it. i press on. and understand that there are a lot more serious things facing this country than whether or not i can remember the department of energy at -- inappropriate time. >> reporter: if rick perry was the loser last night, that's pretty much certain, the winner may be herman cain after almost two weeks of facing accusations of sexual harassment. for the moment at least, those questions have subsided for the

conservative businessman. >> all right. thank you, jim. political analysts and pundits were quick to pounce on rick perry's blunders. how bad was it? can he recover? getting perspective from professor of politics at the university of virginia. professor, thank you for joining us. first of all, let's start with your tweet about perry's gaffe. you tweeted earlier today, to my memory, perry's forgetfulness is the most devastating moment of any modern primary debate. really? i mean -- when you compare it to others, why -- >> yes. i went through -- >> why? >> i'm old enough to remember them all. starting in 1960 actually with the general election debates between kennedy and nixon. look, this was a chernobyl-style meltdown. this wasn't a tiny gaffe. this will live forever in the reel of debate moments that changed politics. look, anybody can recover from anything in modern american politics but i will tell you something, rick perry is behind

the eight ball and visiting a bunch of morning tv shows with prepared lines how he stepped in it will not make the difference. >> his campaign put out something on the website. i want to read it here for you. they are trying to do damage control as well. they say that while the media froths over the all too human moment we thought we would take this opportunity to ask your help in doing something much more constructive. writing us to let us know what federal agency you would most like to forget. do you think it is a smart strategy? >> look, it is not going to work. they can do whatever they want to. here's the problem for rick perry. what people saw last night in the millions confirms the subtext of his candidacy that we heard about since he got in. that he is -- did s a bad debater and not prepared to go up against president obama and if he is the republican nominee in november. plus the questions about whether he is competent enough to serve as president.

because the presidency involves constant communications. you have to have the talent and skill and ability to do it. look, it was -- it was a massive disaster and to pretend otherwise is really just a whistle past the graveyard. >> what about his supporters. he is asking his supporters for every agency to name to contribute five bucks. it worked for herman cain when he was under the microscope and under fire. supporters came out with millions. do you think he can actually make some money off this? >> he's already raised a lot of money. he has a lot of money out of texas and can probably still tap more. he's the governor. he has a lot of power and authority and people have to give whether they think he is going to win or not. you know, this is a classic case of money can't buy you love. >> all right. professor, thank you very much. appreciate your time. rick perry certain sly not the first politician to stumble during a debate. you can bet he will not the last. here is a look at the past

debate blunders. 1976, gerald ford raised eyeb >> there is no soviet domination of eastern europe and there never will be under a ford administration. >> i'm sorry. could i just -- did i understand you to say, sir the russians are not using eastern europe as their own influence in occupying most of the countries there? >> what about michael dukakis, rather flat, unemotion a response to the question from our own cnn anchor bernie shaw. >> governor, if kitty dukakis were raped and murdered, would you favor an irrevocable death penalty for the killer? >> no, i don't. i you this i know i proposed the death penalty all of my life. i don't see any evidence --

terms and -- i think there are better and more effective ways to dealwith violent crime. >> we will probably see more gaffes as the debates continue. the plan is save the u.s. postal service gets a tweak and moves on to the senate. we are going to tell you what it means for your mail delivery on the weekends. hey, i'm really glad we took this last minute trip! me too. you booked our room right? not yet, thanks for reminding me. wait, what? fret not ma'lady. i have the hotels.com app so we can t a great deal even at the last minute.

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on wall street, rebound after yesterday's big sell-off. alison kosik is at the new york

stock exchange. this is good to see numbers climbing today, what do we think about the rest of the afternoon? >> yes. it is a good sign to see green i on-screen after what happened yesterday. but one thing to notice is that stocks are off their highs of the day. european worries, european debt worries continue to dominate the trading. that's going the to keep the gains in check. dow up 77 points. sure, that's good news. >> tell us about the postal service getting really hammered by the economy. the senate panel is giving the okay to a deal that could save the post office? what do we know. >> this is what this deal would look to do. for one, cut spending, reduce head count. and including a deal that would offer 1 machine 00,000 workers buyout pass. the deal would look to scale back work's compensation. if a worker is gurode the job. also put the option to the table to cut that saturday mail delivery service. but if it does cut that service

it wouldn't have for another two years. keep in mind this deal still has to go through the full congress for a vote before any action is actually taken. >> do you still get mail? i'm curious. >> i still get mail. i love going to the mailbox and getting 50 million catalogs. you know. >> yeah. most of it seems like junk mail. yeah. i still enjoy it, too. i wonder, does anybody mail each other any letters or anything? >> i actually -- i don't do the mailing letters thing but i like to look at the catalogs. >> anger is exploding at penn state. legendary coach is fired. students getting fired up. [ gong ] strawberry banana! [ male announcer ] for a smoothie with real fruit plus veggie nutrition new v8 v-fusion smoothie.

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beat. tom bradley spoke just a short time ago. he moves up to the top job after the penn state board of trustees fired coach joe paterno. as well as the university's president. bradley says that he grieves for the boys who were allegedly molested by paterno's former assistant, jerry sandusky. >> we want joe! we want joe! >> paterno supporters were not happy with his does missal. students flipped over a tv van and threw rocks and bottles at police. officers responded with pepper spray to break up the crowd. it is what paterno failed to do that led to national outrage as well as his dismissal. according to the grand jury report, march 2, 2002, graduate assistant mike mcqueary sees a naked sandusky sodomizing a boy in the locker room showers. mcqueary is now an assistant coach at penn state. next day march 2, mcqueary goes

to coach paterno's home to tell him in graphic detail what he has witnessed. on march 3, paterno tells the school's athletic director something of a sexual nature happened in the showers. but apparently skips the graphic details. paterno never alerts police and the alleged abuse incident is not investigated by law enforcement. a week later, mcqueary told the athletic director and university vice president about the shower incident. both officials are charged with perjury and failing to report the alleged assault. paterno, though, has not been charged. that brings us to cnn legal analyst jeffrey toobin to explain all of this, the legal terms here. jeff, first of all, explain to us why paterno has not been charged with anything. >> you know, this gets very complicated. i have been reading the statutes here. frankly, i think that some of this stuff is pretty unclear. the law under which the two administrators are charged is

the law that says people who have knowledge of a child abuse situation are obligated to report it if they are the head of the department. or head of the organization. and that's where there is a certain vagueness here. what i assume went on in the attorney general's office is these -- the prosecutors concluded that paterno by reporting it up the chain of command fulfilled his legal obligation. the two administrators did not report it to anyone. they did not go to any law enforcement thus they were prosecuted. but, frankly, i think this situation is murky. the investigation is continuing. i would not think it is totally out of the question that paterno might be charged down the line. >> you could see that possibility of him being charged as well? >> yes. i mean, just as a general point. i think it is important to remember that we are closer to

the beginning of this legal process than the end of this legal process. there are going to be civil lawsuits. people are going to be suing penn state for millions and millions of dollars. this criminal investigation is continuing. other victims apparently are coming forward. other alleged victims. so lots is going to happen here before all of the legal situation is sorted out. >> one thing i don't understand is why -- why is jerry sandusky out on bail? i know he is prohibited from being alone with children including his own grandchildren. is that something that's really enforceable? is he being monitored? >> jane if there is any electronic monitoring and certainly no such thing as electronic monitoring to keep children away. it only deals with the location of the defendant. judges deal with two questions on bail. is the person a risk of flight? and second, are they a danger to the community? given his history you can

certainly see a judge concluding he is danger to the community but given the circumstances, the judge concluded he was an adequate bail risk. >> jeffrey toobin, thanks so much. a lot of developments here. i think it is very interesting the possibility that joe paterno might face charges later on down the road. thank you, jeffrey. a major league baseball player has been kidnapped. how it happened and the reaction up ahead. ove you... oh my gosh, oh my gosh.. look at these big pieces of potato. ♪ what's that? big piece of potato. [ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste this soup.

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there's growing concern for the safety of washington national's catcher wilson ramos. he was kidnapped at gunpoint yesterday while his -- at his family's home in venezuela. joining us, carlos diaz. tell us, this sounds pretty bold, brazen. and you i were talking about this. >> a lot of players go to venezuela during the winter to play winter ball. 59 players from major league baseball are down there right

now to play in the venezuelan league. he is down there. 6:45 yesterday evening, with his family, father, brothers are in the house. four gunmen burst into the house and take wilson ramos out of the house, kidnapping him. now the -- government in venezuela has recovered the car that he was taken in. there has been no demands from the kidnappers as of yet. it is a very unusual situation because we are used to hearing about family members being kidnapped. this is the first instance of a if major league baseball player being kidnapped in venezuela. it is a very beautiful country but there's a lot of danger in venezuela. and this something that happens a lot. >> right. kidnapping really isn't -- it is not an unusual occurrence in venezuela. a whole business in industry behind it. you made the point before that they -- kidnapped the wrong guy. if they wanted money, demand it from -- >> wilson ramos has the money. you are kidnapping the guy that has millions of dollars. i mean, that's why they have

always kidnapped family members in the past. they to hold them for ransom. this is a very serious situation. and also, too, for the economy of the baseball leagues in venezuela if this keeps going on and major league baseball players are being kidnapped, no players are going to want to go to venezuela to play baseball in the winter time. this is across the board a bad thing for venezuela. >> what about the player himself? lot of people don't know who he is. he is a rising star. >> yeah. he was -- rookie catcher, you know, batted .261 last year with 62 rbis and 15 home runs. he was -- he's a rising star with the washington nationals. it is a rising team as well. he's -- a player on the rise. who has a bright future but right now his future is in peril. >> thank you so much. appreciate it. did fema flung its test of the emergency system? we are going to take a look at that and talk about what went wrong with yesterday's dry run. new national alert system. i'm consolidating my assets.

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during what was supposed to be this emergency alert test. i don't know but, actually that's one of my favorite lady gaga songs but you don't want to hear it during a test of the emergency alert system. now that of course was very localized. not a lot of people heard that. you've probably seen local tests for this system for things like tornadoes, child abductions. but this was supposed to be the first nationwide test of the system with something called the presidential alert code on all tv and radio stations. the idea here is that the president with just ten minutes notice would be able to broadcast to the entire country on radio an tv in the case of a crisis. not everyone, as we said, necessarily heard the test or heard what they were supposed to be hearing or seeing. some people heard or saw the test but it wasn't at 2:00 p.m. eastern time which is when it was supposed to happen so the data is being collected and

fema's saying this is why you test something, to see where the issues are so they can be fixed. >> do they suspect there were hackers or people who intentionally got involved to have lady gaga's music in the mix of all of this? >> no, there's no discussion of that. we don't actually know where that even came from or specifically some of the different areas. but at this point there's -- they're looking at all of the data. they have to filter it in, look at sea where some of the issues were and try to fix it and perhaps in the future there's a sense that they'll do another test. they're adding some new technology so this is kind of a work in progress. >> brianna, look forward to that next test. as much as you like that music, we won't hear it next go-round. >> hopefully not. the latest political news, go to cnnpolitics.com. checking other stories across the country. alabama's biggest county is so broke, it has filed for

bankruptcy. jefferson county is where birmingham is and it is $4 billion in debt. it the biggest bankruptcy filing in a county government in u.s. history. >> a decision i didn't really want to make but right now we were left with no other tern perspective. the last option that we had on the table. so it is going to be okay. it is a bitter ending with a sweet beginning. commissioners are going to do everhing they can along with one of the best qualified legal advisors, chapter 9 who wrote the book is with us and he's going to be with us and we're going to protect jefferson county. >> intense confrontation at the university of california. university police in riot gear moved in to break up a group of occupy protesters who were gathered outside a building on the berkeley campus. and in new york it is a sure

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top of the hour. i'm suzanne malveaux. want to get you up to speed. penn state introduced its new head football coach. defensive coordinator tom bradley a day after the university fired coach joe paterno. paterno's former assistant jerry

sandusky is charged with molesting eight boys. >> right now, i think we should know where our team is toward this whole issue and it is toward those children, it is toward their families an our thoughts an our prayers are with them. hundreds of angry students filled the streets of state college overnight at penn state furious over paterno's abrupt dismissal. they flipped a tv news van, tossed rocks and bottles at police. officers came back at the crowd with pepper spray. at least 2 of the 4 women who have accused republican presidential hopeful herman cain of sexual harassment are considering holding a news conference now. at last night's republican debate cain fended off questions about these allegations and he got some support from the audience. >> why should the american people hire a president if they feel there are character issues? >> the american people deserve

better than someone being tried in the court of public opinion based on unfounded accusations. i value my character and my integrity more than anything el else. presidential candidate rick perry's campaign may have a new catchphrase -- oops. in last night's republican debate, perry said he would eliminate some of the federal agencies if he's elected president. the problem -- he could animal name it would have them. perry admitted he stepped in it when he couldn't come up with the third. >> the third agent sif government, i would do away with the education, the -- commerce, and -- let's see -- i can't. the third one i can't.

sorry. oops. >> oops. we'll tell you what perry is saying about that today. and on wall street, the markets recovering a bit from yesterday. big sell-off. checking the big board now. looking at the dow jones down -- or, no, up 112 points. rupert murdoch's son, james, got another grilling over phone hacking claims. british lawmakers are questioning him about his last appearance before parliament. one lawmaker said that james murdoch behaved like a mafia boss while operating "the news of the world" paper. murdoch continues to defend his actions. >> if i knew then what i know today with respect to the relevant leading counsel's opinion, the details and import of the four-level documents, the company would have acted differently. >> the military is now acknowledging a shameful practice in the handling of body parts of fallen troops.

we've all seen these dignified transferred of those killed in action who are returned home. well, as it turns out, the ashes of some cremated remains were dumped in landfills unbeknownst to their survivors. authorities say the practice was stopped in 2008. remains of body parts are now disposed of at sea. one of the biggest storms in years is taping off a little bit. it slammed into the west coast. some areas had winds of almost 90 miles an hour. the storm is expected to dump heavy snow on anchorage today. michael jackson's family outraged over a documentary that's about to air about dr. conrad murray. now you know and can recall he is the man convicted of involuntary manslaughter in jackson's death. jermaine jackson spoke last night to cnn's piers morgan about the outcome of the trial.

>> if they gave him all the time in the world, it is not going to bring my brother back. it's not. >> it's the day after the latest republican presidential debate and rick perry's campaign is trying to limit the fallout from what people are calling a brain freeze. jim acosta joins us with some of the highlights of this debate. in perry's case, it is a low point. jim, tell us what happened. we saw this kind of play out here an surprisingly he wasn't able to recuperate or recover as he needed to during that gaffe. what happened? >> reporter: well, this was one of those meltdowns that you just don't see that often in presidential politics, quite frankly, suzanne. governor perry was not asked a question. he was trying to bring up one of his own talking points and was trying to name three departments of federal government that he would eliminate if he were elected president and he basically just suffered a brain

freeze and there's really no other way to describe it but to show the video. so let's take a look. >> and i will tell you, it's three agencies of government when i get there that are gone. commerce, education, and the -- what's the third one there? let's see. commerce, education and -- >> epa? >> epa. there you go. okay. thank you. >> seriously? is epa the one you were talking about? >> no, sir. no, sir. we were talking about agencies of government -- epa needs to be rebuilt. >> but you can't name the third one? >> the third agency of government i would do away with the education, the commerce -- commerce, and, let's see -- i can't. the third one, i can't. sorry.

oops. >> reporter: governor perry instantly knew that he had a problem on his hands. he marked right into the post-debate spin room and told reporters that he had stepped in it and now he's trying to have some fun with this, suzanne. it may be only strategy he has left at his disposal. he put out on his website this morning, a question to his supporters, which department of the federal government would you like to forget? sort of having fun with that. and he even said on one of the morning talk shows today, including "american morning," that he's going to soldier on with his campaign. but in the middle of all of it, he was trying to at least make light of what happened. here's what he had to say. >> obviously i stepped in it. but again, i go -- i have my moment of humor with it and i press on and understand that there are a lot more serious things facing this country than whether or not i could rert department of energy at an inappropriate time. >> reporter: so governor perry,

trying to smile this off and from we understand, he's going to be on the late show with david letterman tonight doing the top ten list there. so he's going to try to continue to have fun with this. it's going to be up to voters, it is going to be up to supporters whether or not they're going to be laughing with him or laughing at him, suzanne. there's one person who benefited from all of this, it's herman cain. he's in a lot of trouble lately facing these accusations of sexual harassment. but for the moment the glare of the presidential spotlight is off of him at this point, suzanne. >> jim, i noticed that perry on his website there, did they say if you donate $5 for every federal agency you want to eliminate. obviously they're trying to make some money off this from supporters. we'll see if that translates into some dollars now that he's up against the wall. tell us about newt gingrich and a rather testy exchange with the media. >> reporter: this is newt gingrich's favorite topic. and often in these past debates

before last night it was a question that he didn't like. and he would kind of tear into the media at this point. last night it was sort of unprovoked. he still went after the media in this one exchange with cnbc's maria bartiromo about the occupy wall street crowd that's protesting down on wall street. listen to what newt gingrich had to say. >> historically this is the richest country in the history of the world because corporations succeed in creating both profits and jobs and it's sad that the news median doesn't report accurately how the economy works. >> i'm sorry. what is the media reporting inaccurately about the economy? >> what? >> what is the media reporting inaccurately about the economy? >> i'm on this end of the

question. that's terrific. i have yet to ask a single reporter ask a single occupy wall street person a single rational question about the economy, who's going to pay for the park you're occupying if businesses can't be there to make a profit? >> obviously as you saw there, suzanne, the crowd just ate it up and in part of this explains why newt gingrich is doing so well right now. rick perry, because of his debate performances, has taken a slide in the poll. herman cain, it remains to be seen whether or not what has been facing his campaign will affect him. but newt gingrich has been on the rise and part of this is because he likes to give it to the media just about every chance he gets. and as you saw last night, the crowd just eats it up. >> we're an easy target. >> we can take it. right? >> irvthank you very much, jim. jim was mentioning rick perry and his sense of humor about the tough debate performance he's had. he's going to present the top

ten list on the late show with dave letterman tonight. rick perry certainly not the first politician during to stumble during a debate. bet you he's not going to be a last. here's a look at some past blunders. in 1976 gerald ford raised some eyebrows when he said poland in eastern europe were not under soviet domination. >> there is no soviet domination of eastern europe and there never will be under a ford administrati administration. i'm sorry, did i understand you to say, sir, that the russians are not using eastern europe as their own way of influence in occupying most of the countries there? >> about michael dukakis, kind after flat unemotional response to this question from cnn anchor bernie shaw. >> governor, if kitty dukakis were raped and murdered, would

you favor an irrevocable death penalty for the killing? >> no, i don't, bernard and i think you know that i proposed the death penalty all of my life. don't see any evidence it is a deterrent and i think there are better an more effective ways to deal with violent crimes. >> coming up in the next hour of "newsroom" separating fact from fiction in last night's republican presidential debate. then how villagers in alaska were hurt by this monster storm. and talk about -- a wave the height of a two-story building. did you know, one-third of americans have no internet access? how the fcc is attempting to bridge that digital divide. we'll also talk with penn state students who hit the streets in protest over the firing of joecoach joe paterno. , oh my gosh.. look at these big pieces of potato. ♪

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on all types of bad breath and dry mouth. nothing works faster than therabreath. visit therabreathforfree.com republican candidates for president faced off in yet another debate for two hours. they tackled questions about the economy. our truth squad is fact checking everything they had to say. joining us now, martin savidge, find out between fact and fiction here. what do we know? were they truthful or not? >> well, let's take a look here. there was a lot of talk of course about who is to blame an how we got into this financial mess we're in. in other words, the great recession. let's start with former massachusetts governor mitt romney who had this to say about the mortgage mess. >> and the reason we have the housing crisis we have is that the federal government played too heavy a role in our markets. the federal government came in with fannie mae and freddie mac and barney frank and chris dodd told banks they had had to give loans to people who couldn't

afford to pay it back. >> let's bring it up right here and mitt romney, there's the quote. really. the federal played too heavy a role. basically he's saying that the federal government maze it too easy to get home loans. well, we actually found that this was -- false. here's the reason why. there have been a number of investigations about what triggered the financial crisis. believe me, there have been a lot of studies. most of those reports indicate while government-backed mortgage giants like freddie mac and fannie mae played a role in the housing collapse, the blame mainly goes to private lenders and regulators. so let's move on to our next fact check. this one is going to be with jon huntsman here. he's the former utah governor. take a listen what he had to say last night. >> we've got a huge problem called too big to fail in this country. we have six banks in this country that combined have assets worth 56% of our nation's gdp, $9.4 trillion. these institutions get hit.

they have an implied bailout by the taxpayers in this country and that means we're setting ourselves up for disaster again. >> okay. lot of facts, lot of dollars there. we found this one to be -- true, but misleading. here's why. the top six biggest u.s. banks do have a combined $9.4 trillion in assets. which is about two-thirds of the $15 trillion u.s. economy. but here's the part that's misleading. there's a lot of debate about that implied bailout he was talking about. huntsman is referring to the dodd-frank financial reform bill which supporters claim could trigger an orderly liquidation, as they call it. not a bailout. so that's why it's true, but somewhat misleading. that's all for right now. >> seems pretty evenly, a false, a true and somewhere in the middle there. >> right. >> thank you, ma mrtin. alabama's biggest county is so broke, it has now filed for bankruptcy. jefferson county is where

birmingham is and it is $4 billion in debt. it is the biggest bankruptcy filing in a county government in u.s. history. >> it was a decision that i didn't really want to make but right now we were left with no other alternative. it was our last option that was put on the table. it's going to be okay. it is a bitter end to a sweet beginning. commissioners are going to do everything they can along with one of the best qualified legal chizers, chapter 9 who wrote the book, is with us and we's going to be with us and we're going to protect the rate payers of jefferson county. >> confrontation at university of california. university police in riot gear moved in to break up a group of occupy protesters who had gathered outside a building on the berkeley campus. and in new york, it is a sure sign of the holiday season. love it -- the rockefeller center christmas tree is on its way to the big apple. it is a norway spruce from

pennsylvania. it is 75 years old. the tree is going to be decorated, put on display at the end of the month. off the coast of portugal, a wave that you just got to see to believe. check this out. it is a monster of a wave. it is 90 feet tall and there is surfer, yes, right there, in the middle of it. garrett mcnamara is his name and he just broke the record for the biggest wave ever surfed. >> you know, coming down i didn't really realize it was as big as it was and it was very tough to get to the bottom. when i finally got to the bottom, all i could think about was making that turn without skipping out and falling and getting the shoulder into the wave. somehow by the grace of god i made it through. >> cool. wow. chad, that's like nine stories high, that wave? >> exactly.

>> how is it even possible? that's a huge wave off portugal? is that right? >> you think about waves like that in the pacific. you think about north shore. you think about hawaii. they have big waves. >> hawaii 5-0. >> but. happened in the atlantic where waves typically aren't that big. but over here in portugal, there is a funneling effect where there is a canyon right here. then tire area, this is the town that they hold these surfing contests in and there is a canyon right here across the atlantic ocean. every place else along here has continental shelf so the waves break well offshore, here, here, here, here. but with this canyon the water does not break. the wave do not break until they come right onshore. dave, thit. we'll fly you through this. spain, portugal, that right there is the canyon we're talking about. moving right in here. you kind of see it here. but now this is google

underwater. we'll kind you take you flat, look at the ocean. this is the way the surfer was looking. if you go under the water you will see the canyon. this is where the water was funneling and this is the funnel effect. there's the canyon right through there. that's where the water comes in. it all ends up very close to shore and these giant waves build up a the time. the typical wave, 60 feet. this one was 90. there is a great youtube video of this as well. you can see the jet skier that was pulling this surfer to get him going. you can't just paddle a 90-foot wave. they pull on jet skis. off of the top, under it -- there's a jetsky has to go down the back side so the jetski will end up in that. >> that is amazing. i would actually love to talk to that guy. tell us the latest on the super storm that's been pounding alaska. >> yes, it is, especially the northern part. not talking about where the crab

fishermen are, the dangerous storm, "deadliest catch." there are waves down there, don't get me wrong, but waves came onshore 40 to 60 feet and waves are finally coming in of water pushing onshore. this is just the wind where wind was 87 miles per hour with rain going sideways. waves offshore were 40 feet. the problem is that this storm probably, if it happened in january, would not have been such a big deal. you notice the waves are crashing onshore. had there been sea ice completely engulfing those towns, the waves wouldn't have been so big. some ice pushed up onshore but because the water was free without the ice, waves were just huge crashing onshore into towns and villages there along the north shore and also the northwestern shore of alaska. >> pretty awesome pictures. >> we are getting more in. i'll turn them around as soon as we can get them. if you have an i-report, please send it to us. i would love to show it on tv. >> thank you, chad.

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emotions are running sky high at the penn state campus today. plenty of students are upset that the university unceremoniously fired coach joe paterno after 46 years. michael page is a meteorology major. he's one of them. he joins us from the penn state campus. michael, i appreciate your being here with us to kind of explain this. people watched the video, they saw a lot of people thought wow, what is going on at penn state.

when you take a look at what had happened last night and you had students who were yelling and shouting and they turned over this news van and people were throwing rocks and bottles at police, police responding with pepper spray. what happened there? can you explain what that was about? >> well, as you can imagine, emotions are running high here at penn state. this is huge news for the university and the students took to the streets last night, actually started right here at old man. went downtown and, unfortunately, people got a little out of hand. i mean there were thousands of students, some taking down light poles. then you saw that news van that got flipped over. so it was a lot of rioting over the news that joe paterno was in fact fired by the university. >> is there some reflection about that today from students who support the coach, right? did not want to see him go, but take a look at that and think, wow, that happened on our campus? >> well, there's a lot of sturnts who still support him. i think the common theme is that people wish he was allowed to go out in his own time.

most of us agree he probably missed the ball and should have done more but people hoped he would go out, get some type of good-bye. he's done decades of good work both on the football field an off the field. is he a library is named after him. even academically he's really made a mark on this university. >> how do you move forward now? i understand that there's going to be a candlelight vigil. some students are going to be wearing blue t-shirts at saturday's game to -- in support of people who have been allegedly sexually abused to bring up that kind of issue. what do you do now as a student body? what do you do? >> well, i mean our whole university has been turned upside down. so i think the students are trying to make a good image here and really try to do right with this issue by the candlelight vigil, the blue-out that's going to be going on at the game and try to make up for some of the actions that happened last night. that's a small group of kids and i think the university really wants to make sure that we're on the good side of this issue and everyone remembers why this is a

big deal. it is not necessarily a floobl issue per se. this is a real human issue that this university is dealing with. >> do you think that all the attention on the coach, coach paterno and this game that's coming up on saturday has overshadowed what has taken place, allegedly taken place, which is these young boys allegedly sexually molested on campus? >> unfortunately, i think the focus has been removed. joe pa has been the focus for the past couple of days but we have to remember that jerry sandusky who's at the sent of this is still roaming around state college out on bail. i think that's something that's often forgot. i think a lot of students are a little upset that maybe everyone else around the country and around the world are perhaps losing sight of the crux of this issue. everything's kind of interrelated. it is a real tough one out here in happy valley. >> michael, really appreciate your time and your perspective. obviously very different for you on campus there. and the country, the world's paying attention to what happens

there now. so we appreciate your perspectives and we hope you move forward and get back to your studies and have a good game on saturday. thank you. the penn state sex abuse scandal could do much more than tarnish the school's image. it could also cost penn state a lot of money. we'll have a breakdown in a live report from the new york stock exchange. also, cnn reporters, anchors, producers cover stories around the world. right? that also means we get some great tips for some of the best restaurants, hotels and travel spots. this week's travel insider, patrick opman takes us to a mechanics cal restaurant in seattle. >> reporter: one of the great things about living in this city is you don't have to go far to find amazing views of the water. whether peugeot sound or the many rivers and lakes that are nearby, it seems like you've got incredible water views just about everywhere you look. a mexican place here, upstairs

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think of big universities like penn state as big corporations. in any big corporation, your image, your reputation, is everything. so one analyst says that penn state brand has been forever tarnished and that means that its fund-raising is likely to take a huge hit, especially since penn state used paterno to bring in big money to the school. sponsorship deals could take a hit as well and it could affect their ability to recruit top players as well and this is important, suzanne. penn state is one of the most lucrative teams in the country. the program brings in $50 million a year. it's second in the country behind the university of texas. but i got to say this -- nothing compares to what the alleged victims are going through as we talk about these finances. >> absolutely. very good point. i talked to roxanne jones, a penn state alum the last hour, she's not giving. she doesn't want to give right now because of the scandal. maybe later. tell us a little bit about what's happening with the stocks? tough day on wall street yesterday.

how about today? >> stocks look a lot better than yesterday, that's for sure. a lot of gains have fizzled out but the dow is still up 84 points. european debt worries are still going to be weighing on the market. that's really going to keep the gains in check. we are keeping our eye on one of the big movers of the day, cisco systems came out with big earnings that most are calling a sign of the comeback for the computer networking company. what you see are investors trying to focus on the positive after a really brutal day for the markets yesterday. >> alison kosik, thank you. teachers say there is a big difference between kids who have a computer the home and kids who don't and the learning curve. did you know 100 million kids don't have computers at home? the fcc is launching this amazing program to try to bridge the digital divide. >> my name is mark. i am a cyber illusionist, which means i combine magic and science to create deception, science, technology, gadgets.

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new outrage over the military's handling of fallen heroes. this time it centers on how the partial remains of u.s. troops were cremated, then treated like garbage. they were dumped in a landfill. cnn's barbara starr has that story. >> reporter: suzanne, the air force mortuary and dover air

force base, delaware, now acknowledging in june 2008 some remains of the fallen, were cremat cremated, then incinerated and buried in landfills as though they were medical waste. bone fragments, tissue, any type of dna material that's recovered off the battlefield. not bodies. in 2008 dover decided this practice was not fitting the fallen. one air force official telling cnn we could have done things better. again, the families did not know about any of this. so since then, the practice has been to place incinerated remains in urns and have the navy dispose of them in at-sae ceremoni sea ceremonies. but this comes after a just concluded year-long investigation, three officials have been disciplined for faulty procedures that allow body parts to go missing. in 2008, dover was found to be using a crematorium facility

that also handled animal remains. and there's already been that lengthy scandal at arlington national cemetery where graves are mismarked. in all of these cases now officials say the problems have been fixed but but defense secretary leon panetta is certain will face questions his aides say he will want answered to about the how the military deals with the fallen. all week in honor of veterans day, cnn photo journalists turn their lenses to the men and women in the milita military. this morning, jay carpenter introduces us to danny ingram, forced out of the military by don't ask, don't tell. listen as ingram talks about his passionate fight for veterans rights. >> my i enlisted in the army in

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american veterans for equal rights which is and veterans service organization and we are working to make sure that every member of the military is treated fairly and equally and gets full access to all the benefits that they've earned. when i became national president, the band was still in place and that was our main goal, was to make sure that don't ask, don't tell was repealed. i thought all through these years what it was going to be like when i finally got to stand up and say we've done it. and that night when we celebrated the end, it really was even more than i ever thought possible, the feeling that justice won, that the military was now able to be true

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how often do you get on your laptop at home? two, three, ten times a day? most of us take it for granted. but do you believe one-third of all americans don't have internet access at home? that's about 100 million people. to bridge the digital divide the fcc launched a new program teaming up with major internet providers to offer affordable internet service. if you're a family with a child who gets reduced cost lunches at school, here's the new deal. the program includes internet service for $9.99 a month. $10. okay. also a computer that would be delivered to your home and that would cost $150. joining me now is the chancellor of d.c. public schools, kia,

great to see you. your office tells us 75% of students in washington, d.c.'s public schools get those reduced lunches. so tell us how this program would help those kids. >> well, we think that this program could potentially and game changer for some our most vulnerable students. we don't do anything the way we did 20 years ago. we don't bank the way we did, we don't shop the way we did. all enabled by technology. in fact we're doing school slightly differently than we've done it over the past 100 years by using technology to really unlock and unleash a lot of resources that our kids otherwise wouldn't have access to. and being able to have broadband access at home allows our kids to have more time on task, it allows our kids to explore places and things that they might not have the resources to see. it is literally a game changer in terms of their education. >> tell us what this means, this idea of a digital divide in our country. the kids who don't have access at home to the internet an those

who do. and their ability to do well in school. >> absolutely. what it means is that there are lots of children who do have access at home who are getting more time to practice the skills and techniques that they're learning in the classroom. it means that they have opportunities for enrichment and acceleration because they are using the internet at home. there are all kinds of -- there's so much rich content on the internet. you can do virtual dissections of animals. we do a lot of digital reading, for example, at home with our kids, in addition to books. our kids are looking on the ipad or on the computer and they're unlocking books in a completely different way. for our children who don't have access to those kinds of resources, it means that they're behind. further, it enhances opportunities for parental engagement. when parents know what's going on in the classroom, when parents are able to communicate

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"showbiz tonight's" a.j. hammer joins us from new york. tell us what jermaine is saying. >> jermaine spoke with piers morgan last night. the jackson family has all been pretty clear that while they're obviously happy dr. murray's convicted of killing michael jackson but they don't think he will face enough time behind bars. he'll face a maximum of four years in prison. there is a very good chance he won't even have to serve all of that time if he gets it. they're also furious about a documentary that's scheduled to be aired. jermaine says the best way to protest the documentary is ignore it. >> we're angry because dr. murray is a liar. had he his chance in court. he was tried by 12 jurors an they found him guilty so anything he says is really irrelevant. he had his chance to stand up. he's a coward. he's a liar. he didn't stand up in court. and plus this had to be for

money because that's -- he must have been paid big to-do this. >> well, suzanne, reports are that murray denies receiving any money for the project but a lot of people find that hard to believe and his credibility is not exactly very strong right now. >> yeah. tell us, michael jackson's son, prince, is now in the spotlight. what is he up to? >> yeah. we're talking about michael jackson's oldest son. he's endorsing the j 5 clothing collection based on styles of the jackson 5. he says it is going to introduce michael jackson's style to a whole new generation. the 14-year-old is telling cnn he's not doing it as a money, he's doing it as a favor of his uncles, the four surviving mem befrts jackson 5. he and his uncles autographed a thousand replicas of michael's beaded leather jackets and they'll be sold through amazon.com, the bargain basement price of $2,350 each. order yours today, suzanne.

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now because of the "news of the world" scandal, the british government is pressing for ways to clearly outlaw legally questionable tactics for getting a story. cnn's atika shubert has the story. >> reporter: they're called the dark art. the shady, often illegal ways of mining information, practiced it now appears to an industrial scale in britain's tabloid press. the phone hacking scandal exposed one of the so-called dark arts listening in on private voicemail messages but that's just the tip of the iceberg. now the word blogging used to mean a white lie or plouffe but it can also be illegal. in fact, britain's information commission put out this report in 2006. now they worked together with police to apprehend one private investigator who had more than 300 journalists at clients and his specialty was blaging. he drafted a manual for trainees on blagging.

want to find out an unlisted address or number? pretend to be a british rail lost property employee attempting to return a lost wallet. do not, it says, ask directly for the address or phone number as this is too direct and be polite. what about bank details? you might play a british telecom employee trying to credit your account for overcharging you last month. to convince the suspicious customer, the manual suggests tapping out the calculations next to the fun for the subject to hear. then there is plain old corruption, playing off crooked cops or other employees to gain access to car registrations, medical records or p.i.n. numbers. what's the punishment for all this? the private investigator in this case received a fine of just 5,000 pounds, less than $10,000. the information commission wants jail time. not just for private investigators, but also the reporters who employ them.

>> when someone is making a business out of it, making hundreds of thousands of pounds a year, then a 5,000-pound fine is just written off as a business expense. they pay it and move on. but the possibility of them going to jail and them having a criminal record which stays with them for life is a real deterrent. >> reporter: there is a loophole for journalists, however -- public interest. >> whether the public interest in journalists expotion corruption and they pay to obtain information to do that, then clearly they shouldn't go to jail, they're doing this job there. but if knowingly they use deception, trickery or corruption to get hold of information as entertainment to help sell their newspapers or magazines, then, no, they should says the same criminal penalties that anyone else would. >> reporter: the association of british investigators says the hacking scandal has paitainted their profession but also says governments an corporations should allow legal avenues to

access data for legitimate reasons. >> if you had access to databases, it would eliminate the criminality by these people who are conveniently labeled private investigators because they can, because it is not regulated. but they're no more investigators than a common criminal. they are information brokers. the word "investigat"investigatn corrupted to become a dirty word. >> reporter: but phone hacking and blagging may be a thing of the past. the insatiable demand for information is leading some to use viruses and spyware to read e-mails and obtain passwords. as long as salacious headlines keep pulling in readers, there will be a demand for the dark arts. "cnn newsroom" continues right now with