national media, he's still going to have strong support. the fact of the matter is at the end of the day, is he a credible candidate for president? i think a lot of republicans are going to say i don't know how credible he is. >> disrespectful and mean to women and he owes pelosi an apology. >> erin burnett "outfront" >> erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com joe paterno out, will more victims come forward? and tied with obama in key swing states. but it is cain who keeps cashing in. and the bottom line of the super committee, they're in charge of actioning at least $1.2 trillion from america's deficit but will they stop bickering and get the job done? our jobs could all depend on it. let's go "outfront." i'm erin burnett, "outfront"

tonight. the group of 12 taxed with axing $1.2 trillion from america's deficit. last night, we brought you what was frankly a breakthrough. the architect of the plan told us he would support an increase on tax revenues on some of the wealthiest americans. today the top democrat said toomey's plan didn't go far enough. >> we came to the table to begin with and every day have said that for us it's extremely important. this -- whatever we end up with at the end of the day is balanced and fair and has real revenue on the table. >> we still haven't seen from the democrats is a plan that deals with our structural debt crisis that actually solves the problem. >> this bickering is pretty sad because $1.2 trillion is not very much and it means this issue is going to come back really soon again.

so can the super committee step it up? tonight, we go to the front lines with our strike team. that's the group of 20 enstraw praer ins, ceos and investors that i picked to advise us on the economy. they were the first to call on this show we would not fall back into recession when conventional wisdom across the country this fall that a double-dip was in full swing. the strike team was right. david roberts is the ceo of the carlisle companies, a manufacturing company with more than 7,000 employees in 30 states across the country. dave, good to see you again. i wanted just to ask you, as a ceo who is considering hiring, which i know you are, whether the super committee is important to you. >> i think long term it is, erin. i think initially if they don't reach agreement in 13 days, it's not going to have a dramatic impact on what happens on our business. i think long term it will. i think what we'll see immediately is a downgrade of the -- of the u.s. credit

rating. and you downgrade the credit rating, obviously, a number things start to happen. for instance, borrowing gets more expensive. i think more importantly is the value of the dollar drops, making it more difficult for us to buy commodities at a price that's reasonable. we'll end up raising prices because our raw materials will go up which will frankly just cause people or consumers to be spending more money for what they're buying. >> which is important. this downgrade issue is an important one. so when you think about hiring, what is holding you back right now? when you look at what we just heard, which is two member the super committee, well, sort of complaining about the other ones. >> well, i think folks are still very cautious out there. i mean, other ceos i talked to or i think everyone is still concerned about the future. we're looking at very short -- or small growth. probably 2% to 3% next year, gdp

growth. frankly, that's not enough to continue to go out and hire people. i think there's one element that the media's forgotten in this, is that, you know -- i look at our sales this year, it's up 25%. half of that is acquired growth. the other half is organic growth. but half of that is actually price increase. so we need volume in manufacturing to go out and hire people. our volumes are actually lower today than they were in 2008, and till volumes come back and the consumer continues to buy at rates greater than they are today, we're not going to have a need for people. technical people are different. we've always needed engineers and we will continue to look for engineers. but in our factories, till we get volume back, we're not going to have to hire people. >> dave, thank you very much, and good to see you again. >> all right, you're welcome, thanks, erin. >> thanks to both of you. we appreciate it. peter, do you think the super committee understands what

really is at stake? when someone like dave roberts lays out, we can get a downgrade, i would have to raise prices more for regular americans try to buy what i make? >> i think the s&p downgrade of the u.s. credit rating from aaa was a slap in the face and bluntly it was an utter embarrassment for this country. i hope from a market perspective and a d.c. perspective that it did create a sense of urgency. that they know that everyone is now watching them. time is up. and it's time to bring results to satisfy the rating agencies, to satisfy the bond market, and to satisfy corporate ceos that have been paralyzed by what's going on in washington. >> do they get it? >> they better. if they don't get it now, they're not going to get it. look, the clock's ticking. 13 days, as you said. they have the pressure to do that. another number two, 9%, the historic low approval rating for congress so they better get it right now. the thing is, they can't seem to get it together. are they going to go just across the mark or go big to 4? >> first, this whole issue of

1.2, can you put this in context? because in this country we throw around $100 billion, $200 billion, as if it's nothing. but $1.2 trillion really isn't very much, is it? >> it's nonsense. we have a $15 trillion nominal gdp economy. it's less than 1%. per -- if you take the 1.2 over ten years, $120 billion versus a $15 trillion economy. the unfunded liabilities of this country is $50 trillion to $100 trillion worth of -- >> all the debt we have -- >> exactly. so it's a waste of time. the markets know that. while it's very important to washington and maybe it will satisfy the rating agencies, the markets know that unless you face medicare, medicaid and social security, this is just a waste of time. >> you go big, $5 trillion-plus. >> the market's going to force washington to go big, at some point over the next couple of years. >> and being forced is going to be bad. >> forced will be bad. automatic cut will be terrible as well, politically and practically.

the good news, a gang of 140 members of congress encouraging the super committee to go big, to that $4 trillion number. the fact that toomey was willing to accept revenue increases from the former president of the club for growth, that's a big deal. >> point blank, does that mean the wealthiest americans will end up paying more in the new world than in the old world, yes, that's what he said. >> even though he's proposing a rate cut for the top, that is a step in the right direction. that's the kind of spirit you're going to need, with real purpose behind it. >> downgrade, how quickly would it come, do you think? >> within days if there's no deal after the cutoff in november. >> thanks very much to both of you. >> thank you. >> hopefully they're watching, hopefully they will step up and be super heroes. still "outfront," the state department announces they're looking for a plan for an oil pipeline running from alberta, canada, to texas. we'll talk about what really went down there. this is important. and mitt romney stacks up well

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the number tonight, 826,000. that is how many country music albums have been sold in new york city year to date. making it the number one place in the nation for country music sales according to nielsen. the data is a little misleading. country music is popular here but maybe not as much as you think because new york city does not have a country music station. that bothers me all the time. it has more to do with the city's large population. the truth is only accounted for 5% of the music sale. you got to go 50 miles before you get a really great country station. it's a problem. major decision today at the crossroads of energy and the environment. state department announced it's going to study the route of a planned pipeline running from canada to the texas gulf coast. it's called the keystone xl oil pipeline and it would have crossed a critical aqua fewer over nebraska. environment groups did not like that. the people that liked it say it

will cost jobs. today john boehner said it would cost 20,000 jobs to not have it be built as planned. cnn's foreign affairs correspondent jill dougherty. this is a big foreign affairs issue because you're talking about perhaps the biggest oil reserves in the world in canada going through the u.s. and down to the gulf coast. >> yeah, and, you know, the argument for it really would be, look if we can get oil from canada or from other parts, let's say mexico, this could make a big difference. you could basically kiss the middle east good-bye. and so -- and the jobs argument certainly is big too. but environmental groups are really furious about this. and now the president puts off this decision, which technically will be made by secretary of state hillary clinton because it's an international borders issue, it puts it off till 2013. if that rings a bell, that is because it's after the election. so there's quite a political context, although the white

house would say this is not a political decision. >> interesting. and what's your take on it? i mean, it is -- it does seem rather interesting, the time line where they're going to make the decision. >> it does, but i think it's really a very, very difficult decision to make because the people who really hate the pipeline and really want to kill it are the president's liberal supporter, people who support the environment groups. it's a very big, very successful media operation. last week, you had thousands of people circling the white house against it. but you also have big oil and you also have people who support jobs, who are saying, look, you could get 20,000 jobs online almost immediately or at least in the beginning of next year, and that is crucial too. so it's not a decision that would be easy for the president to make either way. >> kick the can down the road i guess. jill dougherty, thank you. now, let's talk about the

politics of that and some other amazing political thins happening today like cain's money machine. paul begala joins us, political contributor here, senior political analyst david gergen and political analyst david fromme. the decision like this gets put off till after the election. >> there may be reasons substance, like they need further study, but nobody in washington believes this. it looks political. the president had to choose between the environmental bloc who didn't want this, he wants their votes, and labor unions, you know, who want the jobs. it's more than just american politics. i've been up there in canada a couple of times in the last 6 or 8 weeks. this is really important to u.s./canadian relations. what they're telling me there, business community's saying we thought you were going to do this. we started investing. we made reliance on you doing this. by you putting it off, let's just make clear to you as

americans, we've always seen you as our partner for oil and gas. we intended to sell you our oil and gas. if you're going to screw around with us, we've got an alternati alternative, we're going to sell it to china. >> they sure can do that, right? ship right into vancouver and take it away. paul begala, what's your take on this? and then i want to bring you in, david, on cain. >> kicking the can has a long tradition for american presidents. >> for both parties. >> abraham lincoln, a republican, delayed announcing the emancipation proclamation till his union generals gave him some battlefield victories. this is a big deal. but it's hardly emancipation proclamation. the aquifer which goes from west texas to wyoming, right through the heart of it, the republican governor of nebraska, which -- under which sits a huge part of that aquifer, he opposes this. it's a very difficult environmental, economic, international relations and

political decision. so i'd rather they get it right than get it right away. >> obviously some of the western governors, republicans, do tend to be much more pro environment than you might expect on party lines. >> it's about water. cool, clear water. like that old country song. i'm glad to hear you're a country fan. >> it's lucky you couldn't see david's face when you made the comment about the emancipation proclamation. >> he took it back, to paul's credit. >> i want to get you in on this issue of herman cain. so the whole situation continues and yet $9 billion in the past ten days. it is phenomenal in terms of fund-raising. will it last in terms of polls? >> well, herman cain is not going to be the republican nominee and he's not even going to be the republican front run are for very much longer. but he is a real phenomenon and he -- rick perry in a way cemented that last night by taking away the last other

plausible place tea party supporters could go. if you want not mitt, you're sort of stuck with cain for as long as that balloon takes to deflate. he's going to raise a lot of money off the perception of victimhood which is unfortunate because he's now running for the victim in chief spot that was recently vacated by sarah palin. >> david gergen, what is your take on this? also, what's your take on rick perry? who, okay, he stumbled last night. it was stomach churning. i felt badly for him. it was just a human moment. but then he went and did the morning shows this morning. tried to make a joke of it. tried to make light. not enough. >> my feeling is mitt romney's one of the luckiest guys around to run against this field. he's had two guys who basically sort of almost imploded in front of him. we'll have to wait and see. i think david fromme is right that cain will stay in. what was interesting, the

quinnipiac polls that came out, battleground states, romney runs much better than cain in pennsylvania and ohio against the president. they're neck and neck against the president. against cain, obama's ahead by ten points in each state. republicans are going to pay attention to things like that. >> paul, what's going to happen? let's just assume there's a scenario sort of like the way things are now, economy, still pretty terrible. but you get job growth every month. that's tepid. the unemployment rate stays where it is or just ticks down a little. in that scenario, does obama end up winning? >> right, that's the million dollar question. every time i look at the economy, i think obama can't win. every time i look at the republicans, i think he can't lose. and so one of those two is going to have to give. it's anybody's guess, erin. no one has ever even tried to run for re-election with unemployment this high since fdr and he was a special case and it was 70 years ago. it's really an extraordinary time for this president.

as lucky as romney is, i think gergen's right, i think obama's feeling fortunate too to have a comparatively weak field in the republican party. >> what would you do right now if the election was today, what's your bet? >> my bet is obama would win the squeaker. i think it's a pretty even field. i think as time goes on the powers of the incumbency, as they both know from their experience, are very, very important in a race like this. and beyond that, the electoral college, it works, in the president's favor. does that mean he can lose it? yes, he can absolutely lose it. mitt romney will be a better campaigner as time goes on. he showed a little humor last night. we hadn't seen that before. if he starts to connect emotionally, he's going to be a much stronger candidate. >> i don't know if we have video of him. david fromme, you know what else he had last night, he had kind of mussy hair.

he didn't look perfect. which i thought was maybe on purpose, it was a good thing. >> he looked like a working class hero from a 1930s movie with the fantastic jawline. kind of disheveled hair. >> the trench coat. >> my guess is that was focus grouped. >> i mean, it did look like it had some hair gel in it that got it where it was. thanks to all three of you. really appreciate you taking the time, as always. we'll keep watching your hair, mitt. still "outfront." joe paterno out as head coach. the president now out as well. we talk about what it means for the football program at the school, the state, and we're going to talk to a man who played professional hockey, was abused by his coach more than 300 times. he'll talk about why he finally came out, why it took him so long. a day after the earthquake in turkey, 25 people have been rescued. and there is something funny going on at the national toy hall of fame. stild stubbed up.

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so, we cover a lot of serious stories on this show but this one is more seriously. the national toy hall of fame is located in rochester, new york. they induct classic toys from a list of 12 finalists. this year, here's what happened. at the ceremony, they inducted three toys into the hall of fame. hot wheels.

totally aproblpropriate. the doll house. and the blanket. the blanket is an odd choice, right, because it's not a toy. at least i don't know in the traditional sense of the word. so we looked to see which toys it beat out to be enshrined on this specialist. dungeons and dragons got passed over. jenga. puppets. we noticed something disturbing. the blanket was not even on the list of the finalists. it was a total cheater. seriously, toy hall of fame, you thought you could sneak a rogue toy? maybe it's because it's a blanket but we smell cover-up. this isn't the first time the toy hall of fame has tried this. they actually did the same thing with the cardboard box in '05 and the stick in '08. so look our show is not anti-blanket and certainly not anti-toy. but we're not saying blanket shouldn't be included in the hassle fame. actually, yeah, i am, it shouldn't be. we just think it should be voted fairly. seriously.

>> still "outfront, "the "outfront" 5. the next to fall? >> he sees a man in his 50s raping a little boy. and he does nothing about it. turkey's earthquake. >> workers have been working on getting people out of the rubble. a rebel with a cause. >> we've found that's an incredibly powerful way for people to engage each other. >> all this "outfront" in our second half. senokot-s has a natural vegetable laxative ingredient plus the comfort of a stool softener for gentle, overnight relief of occasional constipation. go to senokot-s.com for savings.

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we start the second half of our show with stories we care about. we focus on our own reporting, do the work and find the 5. up first, countdown to super committee. earlier tonight, the managing director of miller says he hopes everyone in washington has gotten the message. the work is crucial to restoring confidence in the economy. here he is. >> the s&p downgrade of the u.s. credit rating from aaa was a slap in the face and bluntly it was an utter embarrassment for this country. i hope from a market perspective and from a d.c. perspective it did create a sense of urgency. that they know everyone is now watching them. time is up. and it's time to bring results to satisfy the rating agencies, to satisfy the bond market, and to satisfy corporate ceos thatted have been paralyzed by what's going on in washington. >> number two, the u.s. federal

budget deficit narrowed to $90.5 billion in october. that number was better than expect the. the government had to pay a few bills in late september because october 1st fell on a saturday so there were technical reasons. tax receipts were higher than expected in the month. the budget deficit has shrunk a little bit. it is still huge. number three, a promised review of mishandled war dead. the human remains were lost at the base. "the washington post" has reported that some remains were dumped into landfills without their families knowing. in addition to the external review, air force secretary mike done unt donelly will also investigate. number four. that's a level we haven't seen since april. we wanted to explain it to you. the four-week moving average, because this number comes out every week, came in at 400,000. anything below 400 means hiring.

above means probably not hiring. so we're teetering right on the edge of real job growth. it has been 97 days since the u.s. lost its top credit rating. what are we doing to get it back? by the way, we want to welcome two new members to the aa-plus club. isle of man and guernsey. they're both tax havingings would be the fairway to describe those places. companies like to stash their cash there. governor tom corbett stepped out in front of the penn state sex abuse case tonight and he urged the community to have a sense of civility and patience. thousands of students stormed the campus in the protest of the firing of legendary head coach joe paterno. sandusky was charged with sexual abusing eight boys over 15 years. the fallout continues to affect anyone who knew anything at

anytime about it. massachusetts attorney general martha coakley knows a lot about child sex abuse. she's prosecuted hundreds of cases. including those involving the clergy. and she's "outfront" with us tonight. thanks so much for being with us. i really appreciate your taking the time and making the effort to come on. i just want to get your overall sense of this. were you shocked when you heard this story? and when you looked at a time line which goes back to at least the early '90s when this started? >> i had a chance to look at some of the grand jury report. having done this work for a long time, in some ways, i'm not shocked. and yet it still, when you read, it is horrifying to realize, even in 2002, that this was going on, and it was unreported. >> and does this happen a lot? i'm curious -- i followed the whole catholic priest sex scandal very closely. i was raised catholic and had a lot of curiosity about that.

did you see similar things happen there? where there just appeared to be a cover-up that was shocking for a regular citizen to comprehend? >> well, sure, we saw that in boston and massachusetts with decades really of priests who were -- moved around to parish to parish. in some instances, there were confidentiality agreements signed. when it became apparent in 2001, we are still dealing with the effects of that. we had an institutional sense that they didn't have to report under the law at the time. they did not report. as a result of which, kids weren't kept safe. i've done child abuse for a long time. the only way we really keep kids safe from a predator like this -- these were young boys. they were 10, 11 years old. unless it is reported by people who see it, we are not going to stop these people. >> what is your belief, given

that you have investigated these sorts of cases and prosecuted them, of how many more boys there may be? obviously, eight have come forward so far. but when i look at the time line and you see that this happened since the early '90s, second mile, though, which is -- was started long before that and -- he joined -- mr. sandusky joined penn state in 1969. i would imagine that this isn't something that just starts at some point in your life. >> no, and i think we found it is why rehabilitation is very difficult for people who do have a sexual predilection for children. we have to assume this was a guy who had authority, who had access who started his own not for profit so he could have availability of a particular vulnerable population of kids. maybe from a broken home. who looked up to him. and someone like that, frankly could have hundreds of victims in that period of time. >> hundreds of victims. >> yeah, i think that's right. >> and does it surprise you?

what is your sense of -- what do you think of joe paterno, all right, he was fired, the president of penn state was fired, joe paterno, allegedly, according to the -- not even allegedly, admits to being told about this back in the early '90s. and i'm sorry in 2002, in the late '90s, apparently he knew, it's unclear, but in 2002, he acknowledges being told specifics of graphic sex acts that happened and he did not pursue it in full. what could explain that? >> well, first of all, he did -- look, on one -- on one set of facts here, he did report to the athletic director, whether rightfully or wrongfully, he assumes his job is done. under most state statutes, you are required to make sure that it is reported and that something happens. but we're looking back now with hindsight over a period of time. he was not charged by pennsylvania authorities. although others were who had an obligation to report. whether there was a legal obligation or not, you would hope that whenever it came to

someone's attention, again, this is in 2000, we know, even then, a lot more about predator behavior, about the risks that kids face in circumstances like this. you would have hoped that something would have happened and would have been reported. it was not. >> when you dealt directly with some of these priests that you dealt with in the clergy cases in boston and you dealt with the people who worked around them, the people who knew or who looked the other way, did anyone ever explain to you why they looked the other way? why they knew or saw something awful, like in this case, someone seeing a 10-year-old boy subjected -- and i'm sorry to any children watching, anal intercourse by a grown man, how someone would look the other way? >> first of all, i think that people who are not prepared to see things like this either on a one time or over a period of time literally do not see it. they do not focus it in a way. they're in denial. i always say, you know, we never want to think that the parish priests or the coach or the

uncle is someone who's abusing our kid. it's too difficult to deal with. and keep, again, in mind that even in the 1980s and '90s, we were still getting educated about the ways of sexual predators. i think people did not see it. >> all right, thank you very much. we appreciate your taking the time again, martha. >> thank you. okay, so what really happens in these situations? and no one likes to think about it. but now that the whole country is thinking about it, we wanted to talk to sheldon kennedy. he knows the fear and horror that comes with being the vic m victim. he was sexually assaulted for five years starting when he was 14 years old. he went on to play professionally in the nhl. he came forward with his story in 1986. he has dedicated a lot of his life to trying to make sure this doesn't happen to other people. sheldon, were you surprised when you heard this story not just that it happened but that it had been happening for so long with so many people looking the other way?

>> um, i wasn't surprised. i had been working in this field for 14 years. and i'd seen a lot of institutionalized --ization of these issues. and that's what happens. i just -- i think it's one of those things where -- it's a platform for change to happen. it's sat d it has to happen thi way. it's pole vaulted this issue into the society today. saying enough's enough and we need change. >> when you went through this, you went through it for a long time. and then by your own admission it was something that scarred you, it affected you, it impacted your -- at one point, alcohol and drug abuse. what made you finally decide to come forward? and when you were being abused, why didn't you come forward? >> well, i think that's the most difficult question out there that is asked around these sexual abuse issues. why i didn't say anything.

and why didn't he say anything. i think that for myself, i needed to come out because i saw a ton of trusted adults, people who were in the leadership position, around the coach that was abusing me and other people not doing anything about it. and i needed to file a complaint to the rcmp because i was close to ending my own life. so that's where it took me. i think that the fears and the shame and the guilt that come with sexual abuse are huge. i think that we really underestimate the damage that these issues and these victims have when they are abused. we do a lot of work in canada. and we see our prison systems full of child abuse victims. and it becomes a huge tax on our society. so the after-effect is absolutely enormous. >> there were a lot of people in this case that looked the other

way, whether it was joe paterno who, as we said, back in 2002, was given this incredibly graphic description by a graduate student and there were obviously others as well, janitor, people who worked for the team who saw it, and i'm sure many others. does it surprise you and can you understand why they do not go further? is there any part of you that sympathizes with joe paterno or do you think he is paying the price he should pay for his silence? >> well, i think that sometimes learning experiences in life are tough ones. but i believe that looking at joe paterno's situation at penn state, he was the ultimate person at penn state. if he took that to the authorities, i'm sure the authorities would turn around and ask joe paterno what he needs to do. so i think that penn state made a statement that this is something that's not going to be tolerated in our school. by firing him and the president.

and i believe, you know, that was the right decision. i mean, you know, joe paterno, he needed to do the right thing and he didn't. and sometimes there's a consequence when that happens. >> how common do you think this is? i don't know if you heard martha coakley who was involved in prosecuting the catholic priest abuse cases up in boston. she was saying she wouldn't be surprised if it ended up there were hundreds boys that could have withbeen affected. do you think this is common place in professional sports and in high-level college athletics? or what is your sense after being a victim and now someone who deals with it from an advocacy position? >> well, what we see, erin is that, you know, no institution is exempt from this happening where there's children involved. it's not just sports. it's everywhere. and the fbi studies show that usually the average pedophile affects over 100 kids before they're caught, if they're ever

caught. and a child has to tell seven adults in their life before anybody takes action. so, to me, we need to focus on the adults that surround these situations and give them the tools to know what to do. because we can't just trust that the organizations that we're putting our children into are going to do the right thing. >> seven adults before something happens. thank you very much. we appreciate you taking the time to talk to us and to try to make a difference. >> thank you very much, erin, i appreciate it. all right. now, let's check in with anderson cooper. >> we got breaking news on the program tonight. the lawyer for former penn state assistant jerry sandusky tells cnn jason carroll whhow he feel about his role in bringing down coaching legend joe paterno. his reaction to the very detailed and graphic grand jury indictment from 1998. we'll have that. we'll speak with jason. a pennsylvania state lawmaker who's pushing for legislation to prevent this type of incident from happening again. we'll look deep near this charity called second mile. it's the nonprofit accused

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crew but came back when 25 more buildings collapsed after an earthquake hit here. again, you'll see behind me, there are several different crews working here tonight. they're working in eight-hour shifts. they say that the cold does not bother them. but expect snowfall could prolong rescue efforts. >> thank you. now to greece where the country has a new interim prime minister. a step in the right direction. he's scheduled to be sworn in tomorrow. diana, who is lucas papademos? >> erin, it's a brave man who will take on this job. the country's deep in debt. the economy is shrinking. and the people are angry. the only way the country can get the money that it needs to stay afloat is through more savage cuts to jobs, pensions and salaries. if you thought it would take a harvard professor to sort this one out, then you'd be right. lucas papademos only flew in from the united states on monday and now he's greece's next prime

minister. he helped steer greece into the euro ten years ago. now he has to make sure it stays there. major league baseball helping authorities find one of its own tonight. this is sort of a bizarre story. but here it is. 24-year-old wilson raymos is ca star with the washington nationals. he was kidnapped last night in venezuela. he was playing in the winter league during the off-season. the team spokesman said he was abducted by four men at gunpoint. joins us now is security expert daniel carson. thanks for being with us. four men at gun pint. who could these people be? >> they would be anybody in the ki kidnap and ransom business, they could be a loosely affiliated group or be associated with an official agency. they can be police. >> official? >> acting unofficially, of course. venezuela is a country very

unstable right now, and that's totally not a possibility. >> i know there have been ransom kind napping is not uncommon in venezuela. what do they want? are they going to try and get ransom and get him back? is this a life or death situation? >> what they want is money, and if it's done according to the book, they will -- there will be an arrangement where they accept the ransom or the ransom will be paid, and again, if it's according to the book, they'll release him. >> bags of cash kind of ransom? >> yes. >> what are the chances that he'll be found, and how long do these things usually drag out? >> it's impossible to tell. these can last anywhere from a couple of days to as much as a few years depending upon the circumstances. kidnapping and ransom is an actual industry with quote-unquote rules applied to the kidnapping. >> they follow them -- they're rules, and if they're in there you play by them. >> they used to until the kind

napping and ransom business came apart when so mallian pie rights and but you could accept that in a kidnapping someone -- there was a going rate. you'd pay the going rate. you'd demand proof of life, a picture or a live conversation. then you'd make the arrangement and the victim was delivered presumably safe and sound. we don't know yet who these people are or why they kidnapped wilson, whether they did it for political reasons or personal reasons or just for money. >> so what is the cost usually for security of these places? i would imagine he had some security. he's from there. he's well aware. what does it cost to get security? >> security is not a very expensive outlay to obtain bodyguard service for somebody who is high net worth. it can be anywhere from a few hundred dollars a day to a few thousand dollars a day. somebody with high net worth,

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now, my enter vow with edward norton. >> he helped raise money for the wilderness fund. two years ago he set up a website to make donating to causing like this easier. it's called crowd riot, and edward norton joins us now. we were talking recently about how even in the tough economy you're still seeing so many people give a lot of money. tell me about crowdrise and how it's supposed to work. >> i think you're right. i think it's a wonderful truth of american society, is that on a person-to-person basis we're an incredibly generous culture. there is a strong culture of giving back. one of the things that's evolved in the last couple decades the in the united states as a very potent form of fund-raising is peer-to-peer or crowd source

fund-raising where people are using tools on the internet and social networks and things like that to reach out to each other and say this is what i'm doing. this is what i care about. will you back me? we've found thathat's an incredibly powerful way for people to engage each other and support causes. >> people can say i like this cause. i want to make sure i have these numbers right. more than 500 charities have signed up. you have 1.6 million people become involved. >> on crowdrise we have people using it. there are places like facebook where you 2009 your life, twitter is this is my life based on what i'm doing right now. we wanted to create a platform where you track your long-term charitable life and set up projects, raise funds for things you care about, reach out to friends and family. when it's over instead of it disappearing like other sites, you get to stay there and see

over time. >> you can see your return on donation, right? >> also if you run the marathon this month but then you support your brother's -- the program your brother is involved with the next month, you can see the cumulative impact of what you do. >> how does your math work in terms of how much goes to the donation? >> it costs money to raise money. we go to rubber chicken dinners or galas and they say we raised a million dollars tonight. the truth is it cost 50% of what you raised to produce the event. some forms of fund-raising we're most familiar with are very, very inefficient in terms of the cost, mailings and things like that. one of the great things about crowd-sourced friend-to-friend fund-raising is an incredibly cost-efficient way of fund-raising. they get more the of the donations. >> in terms of your day job, acting, anything you can tell