of the stripes. >> when you look at that big flag out there hanging on the side of this thing, 210 feet long, wow, what a flag. >> reporter: within a few years, nasa hopes to start assembling its rocket in here, one that will take astronaut perhaps to mars. the space agency has not decided whether or not the welcome mat will remain out once that new rocket gets here. john zarrella, cnn, at the kennedy space center in florida. hello, everyone. top of the hour. thanks for joining us. i'm don lemon. we are going to start with this. pennsylvania's governor says the penn state child sex abuse scandal should permanently change the way cases are handled across the entire state. there's a reason ousted coach joe paterno isn't facing criminal charges right now. in 2002, he told school administrators about a report that former defensive coach jerry sandusky was seen raping a

boy in a locker room shower. that's all he was required to do under pennsylvania law. tell the people in charge and let them decide whether to contact police. well, governor tom corbitt told nbc that just wasn't good enough. he says, "by law someone in paterno's position should have to call the cops himself." >> should the law be changed? absolutely. i know that members of both party, republican and democrat, have already introduced measures to make that change. >> well, corbett is on the penn state board of trustees which fired paterno this week. he also began the investigation against jerry sandusky when he was state attorney general. sandusky is accused of sexually abusing eight boys over a 15-year period. right now, let's bring in sarah ganum. she's a crime reporter for the "patriot news" in harrisburg. she's at the penn state campus.

you have been on this story for years. when it broke, you came on and broke it down and explained it to our viewers. tell us about this report that sandusky and one of the university's big wigs, who was fired over this, are still receiving money from the university? >> well, basically, as part of their pension program, this is money that they paid in, kind of like a 401(k). they're state employees, because this is a partly state university. so this is the money that they paid in and their employer paid in over the time that they were employees with penn state university, and they are still receiving that pension. the rules for that pension are that the money can be withdrawn and held from them if they are convicted of certain crimes. but there are -- there's -- it's semantics, you know, because it has to do with whether the crimes were committed while they were employees or after they were employees. it also has to do with the severity of the crimes committed. so it still kind of remains to be seen if they're going to get to keep that money or keep receiving those monthly checks.

>> this is also very interesting as well, that i'm reading here. i want you to tell us what you're hearing about the judge who set sandusky's unsecured bail, specifically, that she is or may have been a volunteer for sandusky's second mile program. the same program through which he allegedly met all these victims. >> that information is coming from a biography of this judge that's up on a website for a law firm that she used to work for, before she was elected to this district judge post. it's not clear, though, if she's still a volunteer at this point. it's a sunday, we haven't been able to reach her, or if she stopped volunteering and cut those affiliations once she became a judge. which often happens. so it's not clear at this point if she's still a volunteer, but we do know that at one point, she was a second mile volunteer and that is the charity that jerry sandusky began in 1977. >> very interesting. so, um, i want to ask you now

about why people didn't -- let's talk about the media now. if you noticed, when sandusky was taken into custody, and we noticed this when we were about to go on and report the story. we said, is there a video? and then we got the video, sarah. and no one is asking sandusky any questions. why did you do it? what happened? nothing. and i had a reporter on, a sports cover who's been covering it for 30 years, and he said, yeah, we heard rumors, and i'm sure you heard them as well -- i'm not talking about you -- but no one went to the point of trying to report these stories or try to find any information about jerry sandusky. just, why didn't anyone -- i think the video of him going into custody and no one asking him a word speaks volumes. >> well, i think, you know, over -- the allegations are that it happened over several years. but you have to remember that we are knowing -- this is information we're finding out now. victims weren't comes forward

and being vocal about this for a number of years. yes, there were a lot of missed opportunities and we know that now, but it wasn't something that was necessarily a public information -- you know as well as anybody, when you're a reporter, you've got to have the facts. you can't report based on rumors. and, unfortunately, we really didn't have solid facts until this year. that was when we felt comfortable going with the story. and that's when we went with the story. >> yeah. mostly, i think i'm talking about the people -- the people who reported on sports. i'm not talking about the general news people. i think in the sports world, there were rumors about these situations, the people in the news, it may be quite deferent, sarah. that's why i ask that question. even if a neighbor on the the street, if i had heard that about one of my neighbors on the street, i would have done my own investigating and i think most neighbors would have as well, even if you're not a journalist. that's why i ask that question. thank you, sarah. we'll be getting back to you. let's move on and talk about

the occupy movement. crime, drugs, even some deaths. many cities are getting fed up with the occupy movement. one of the most contested area is a portland, oregon. just a short time ago, i spoke with one of the protesters and the mayor about the police action. >> we worked really hard to keep the peace here in portland. this is our fourth or fifth police action. there has not been any serious injuries. we've not used tear gas. we've not used rubber bullets or those kinds of things. we work really hard, even in passionate moments like you're seeing now, to make sure that the coolest heads prevail. and i want to really give a shout out to the portland police bureau for their professionalism and also the organizers of occupy portland, who worked really hard as well to keep the peace. >> we feel strong that this community supports us. and we feel -- i'm sorry, i

should say that i can't speak on behalf of occupy portland, i can only speak on behalf of myself, but i feel like i am extremely disappointed that the mayor chose to crack down on these parks when the outpouring of support from the community was so strong and clearly in favor of occupy portland. >> let me tell you that cnn is closely monitoring the situation in portland and elsewhere. we will bring you the very latest tonight at 10:00 p.m. eastern. those are live pictures now that you're looking from our affiliate, koin. those are from portland, oregon. as we said, we are monitoring these. that's a reporter that's standing there. she's reporting on this. let's see what she's asking them real quick. okay. she is doing a mic check, as the occupy people do all the time when they do that mic check, and then someone else responds. but, anyone, let's just look at the live more and let our viewers know that we're monitoring the situation. we had the mayor on and there was a standoff between police and the occupy people a short time ago. in fact, police said that they were taunting them in some way

when they closed a park down and also closed the street. so, again, we will continue to follow that and the situation elsewhere around the country when it comes to the occupy movement. international news now, we want to go to. a meeting to decide the future of afghanistan is vulnerable to attack. that's according to the taliban. the militant group says it has secret documents explaining how tribal elders will be protected at the critical gathering in kabul this week. the taliban that long threatened to disrupt that meeting. afghan authorities say the threat is nothing more than lies and propaganda. an ambush in the capital could be a crushing blow to the war effort. tribal leaders are expected to discuss afghanistan's long-term relationship with the united states and possible peace talks with the taliban. the penn state scandal has re-opened a lot of old wounds. coming up after the break, a regular guest right here in the "cnn newsroom" reveals for the first time her own abuse as a child. you don't want to miss it.

okay. you know, i'd like you guys to sit down if you're at home, if you're doing something, and watch this next segment, please. the child sex abuse tragedy that's rocked penn state is bringing back painful memories for many people who have suffered abuse themselves. last night i talked with tony rogers, a brave abuse survivor, who decided to tell his story publicly to raise awareness and help other victims. how old were you when you were abused? >> the first time i was 9 and it was by a stranger. and the second time i was 11, i was sexually assaulted by one of my male cousins. >> so this story resonates with you, because you're around the same age as some of the alleged victims. when you heard about penn state, what did you do?

what did you think? >> i really felt for the boys who were victimized by the assaults. and you know, especially, also for the witness, who actually witnessed it and reported it and nothing was ever done. and it's unfortunate that the coach's popularity preceded, you know, support for these people. >> does it bring anything up in you, does it remind you of anything? is there anything that you have to do -- does it trigger anything, i guess, is a better way of putting it? >> these stories are always triggering the person who assaulted me and even my own aunt. she decided to support her son instead of really listening to me and getting me help that i needed. and it's always triggering, but when it pops up, i just make sure i use the tools just to help myself from recovering from listening to these kind of stories in the news. it's very triggering. sometimes it's cold drinks. i was infected with gonorrhea when i was 9, so i had to drink penicillin and i would vomit. sometimes when i drink cold beverages, it makes me sick. >> since you had this

opportunity, tony, is there anything you want to say to the country, to the people who are watching about the silence with this issue? >> i think it's important when a child speaks up or when people are witnesses to a child being hurt that they really speak up and seek help and advocate for the child. and sexual crimes are a violation of the human spirit. i equate it to murder. so if you are watching this, you're watching a homicide. please help children get support and help and end it. >> there you go. rodgers says abuse victims can move on with their lives, they just need to surround theirselves with people who support them and face what happened head on instead of trying to pretend it never occurred. all right. for more now on this subject is goldie taylor. goldie's usually here talking politics with me, but tonight she's going to have a very special conversation and get more personal with me, because she has told her mother that she has kept something hidden from her for a very long time. you had a conversation with your

mom today because of this story? >> because of this story. yeah. it's been 26 years. the first incident, i was 4. then the next, i was 12. and then 16. when i was in high school in st. louis county, there was a football coach who w, i was a v cheerleader at the time, and he waited for girls to turn 16, because i think he believed it would keep him out of harm's way in terms of statutory rape. but he plied us with alcohol, with drugs and other things to make us susceptible. the abuse happened on school grounds. it happened off campus. and over a period of months,

until i dropped out. >> so, goldie, we're going to continue on with the story, because that is not the end of it. there is more, sadly, to what goldie is saying happened to her. we're back in a moment with the rest of goldie's story. this is $100,000.

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all right. i am back now with goldie taylor, who has been a journalist all of her life, a reporter, now the editor at thegrio.com and a political analyst as well. you've covered so much. but this penn state story is unlike anything goldie was sharing her story before. we have to say, this is not a cnn story, this is goldie's story, right? we're not reporting here. this is what goldie is saying happened to her. you said you were 4 -- you were 4. then again at 12, and then at 16. >> we lived in public housing when i was 4 years old. we lived in central city homes in east st. louis. and there was a young man in the complex who was a pied piper among children. so 4, 5, 6-year-olds, he was round us up. i don't remember a lot about it.

i don't even remember his name. but i remember his face and i remember where he lived and i remember what he did to us. it's something i live with every day of my life. i think that predators like that pick children who they think are most vulnerable. children who come from single-parent homes, parents who can't be as attentive. parents who live in poverty, who work two and three jobs, who can't be as attentive. >> they groom the families as well. >> they groom and pick. and then when i was 12, a cousin, who was later charged with other crimes and went to jail. and then when i was 16. i was a varsity cheerleader in high school, and there was a football coach who i understand for legal reasons, we can't name. but he is -- he waited for us. and he picked young women around

the same age, around the same height, complexion. you know, the women that i -- the young women that i knew in high school, we all looked alike. so this guy had an m.o.. >> when you say that, speaking to a friend who is a profiler for the fbi yesterday, and he did child sex crimes. and he says usually all the victims usually look alike, have the same traits, and once they get to a certain age where they no longer look like what he likes or she likes, because sometimes it's women, they let them go, right? >> sure. >> and the things you were saying, the triggers and all that, what they do about grooming the families, and people are afraid to talk about it. if you listen to the young man, mr. rodgers, who was on before you, he said even his own aunt wouldn't believe. >> right. >> family members won't believe. then the victims say, i'm not going to tell because nobody's going to believe me. did you think that?

>> i never said anything, because i didn't, one, think, that my parents would believe me, that my schoolteachers would believe me. and the women that i did see come out, they were wholesale blamed for the behavior. i had a great friend of mine who said this happened to her as a child. and her mother blamed her. said, what did you do to provoke him? and so that kind of wholesale shaming keeps people, young boys, young girls alike, from coming forward. and i think that is a culture of enabling. you know, watching the penn state story struck me in such a personal way, that there were adults who knew or suspected or outright witnessed the behavior that happened at that college -- >> witnessed rape. >> witnesses rape. >> yeah. >> and thought so much of their own lives, thought so much of their own jobs that they wouldn't get on the phone and call child welfare. >> here's the thing that even

after that, okay, i understand that that happened. it happened, it was wrong -- and again, these are all allegations. >> absolutely. >> i should say alleged, whatever, but after it happened, i have people who have reached out to me on e-mail and twitter and facebook and said, oh, why are you saying about the football team and oh, they shouldn't be, and it's like -- this is not about football. >> it's not about football. >> it's not about punishing, if a game is canceled or a team has to face some sanctions or whatever, that's not a punishment. >> anytime that we put football or a job -- >> any sport or anything. >> -- in front of child rape -- because it's not molestation, it's rape. >> it's continuing the cycle of abuse and violence by burying your head in the sand. and until someone says, this is more important. a child's life and well-being is more important than any sort of pageantry about anything, then, you won't get the message. nobody's going to get the message. >> nobody's going to get the message. so what i hope, by telling my

story, by the penn state story coming out, by other people on twitter, and i just -- i have to say, thank you to my twitter followers tonight, because they've stood up and they've stood out for me tonight. so i say thank you to those people. but you know, until we're able to have an honest conversation about what's happening in the village that we call this country, you know, i think that we're going to be in a very, very tough place, until children feel safe. >> we've got to run. but i think you're very brave for sharing this. >> i think you are very brave. thank you. >> thank you. thank you. we're back in a moment. with thermacare heatwraps. thermacare works differently. it's the only wrap with patented heat cells that penetrate deep to relax, soothe, and unlock tight muscles for up to 16 hours of relief. that's 8 hours while you wear it, plus an additional 8 hours of relief after you take it off. can your patch, wrap, cream or rub say that? so if you've got pain...

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he had a number of meetings yesterday with heads of state. he met with the leadership of japan, of russia, of china. but today was the summit. he gave opening remarks, emphasizing the importance of the asia pacific region economically to the u.s. when you look at where economic growth is, asia is really where it's at. and one of the u.s. goals is to continue, to continue increasing its exports, and it's asia, don, that is buying. so you heard president obama certainly pushing a new sort of era in foreign policy, de-emphasizing the middle east. as you see the troops leaving iraq, winding down the operation in afghanistan. now he's trying to turn the focus to asia and trying to make the case for american jobs that would be created by increasing commerce with asia pacific nations, don. >> and brianna, i understand the world leaders are gathering right now. i think they're going to do, as they call it, the class photo

from this one. let's look at -- there we go. >> reporter: the family photo. >> there we go. brianna, go ahead and talk over this. tell us about these family photos are normal in these situations for these types of summits, correct? >> yeah. so i'll talk over it. to tell you the truth, don, yi t can't see it. but this was planned and they do this at each apec summit, and at most summits, where they do a family photo, capturing all of the world leaders. there are 21 member nations in apec. there are 19 heads of state here, including president obama and then you have mexico and thailand that are being represented by lower level officials in the absence of their heads of state who are attending to domestic issues during this. but president obama, after this family photo, he will be holding a press conference tonight. he'll be taking a number of questions, not just on the apec summit, where he's certainly going to be touting the framework of a trans-pacific partnership, free trade, a trade

agreement that has been worked out among a number of nations here in the asia pacific region. he'll certainly be touting that. the details of that agreement need to be fleshed out here in the coming years, but president obama will take a number of questions, not just on apec. it will be interesting to see what he's sort of peppered with, don. >> this iyear's picture differet because they're wearing suits and not the local hawaii clothing they would wear during this. brianna, also the questions will be taking questions tonight around 9:40 eastern. i'll be here with you. and we're going to carry that live. and brianna keilar is live there reporting on it. we appreciate her live from hawaii. from hawaii to washington, global debt is a big focus. members of congress are scrambling to reach a definite destruction deal and they're running out of time. that story next on "mastering your money." and economic growth. north america actually has

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debt crisis. and here in the u.s., lawmakers are scrambling to come up with a plan to avoid facing a similar dire situation. so joining us now from new york, the managing editor of cnnmoney.com, lex harris, here to help us master our money this weekend. lex, could the united states debt problem eventually get as serious as europe's? >> sure. but, you know, the good news is, that's probably quite a few years away. we were looking at the numbers this week. just purely on the debt levels alone, we're still quite a bit ways away from where italy is, and really far away from where greece is. but the experts we spoke to are talking about maybe ten years. so it's not that far away, but we're not at the crisis point right now. >> so, we should keep in mind, though, that it is coming if we don't get a handle on it. so, listen, talk to us. can you take us forward, election, to next week? what we're going to be watching? the president's at this summit now, but what's going to be

happening next week? >> sure. so, for the past couple of months now, the super committee has been meeting, right? so this is this group of congressmen, six democrats, six republicans, and they're charged with coming up with a plan to finally rawrangle this the debt problem. and as you noted, while it's not a crisis yet, there are so many advantages to putting out a plan now. as one of the lessons of italy and greece is if you wait too long, when there is a crisis, it comes on really fast, you don't see it coming, and then the bond market basically forces you to make changes you don't want to make. >> is there any sort of consensus among this super committee as of yet as to what changes need to apply or take place? >> not among the super committee. among most experts, absolutely. what most people say is we need a balanced approach, right?

some tax increases and definitely changes to the entitlement program. so that's social security, medicare, medicaid. but when you hear, and you know, a lot of the super committee members were out talking today, and they're still just really far away on all of those issues. you know, the republicans are starting to give just a little bit on tax increases, which is great. the democrats are starting to talk about some changes they'd be willing to make. but no one as of today was really optimistic. and we're really down to, you know, it's the day before thanksgiving is the deadline, so it's just around two weeks now. >> yeah, not much time. lex harris, cnnmoney.com. appreciate it. thank you! many high school seniors serious about applying to colleges rely on rankings from "u.s. news & world report," but is this the best way to choose a school? education contributor steve perry tells us how the rankings are created and talks to someone who thinks they're hurting higher education.

>> rankings didn't really matter as much to me. >> i find them generally to be pretty accurate. >> what is your issue with the ranking? >> the process of college admissions that be commercialized to the nth degree that and that's been led by u.s. news and world report. >> lloyd thacker leads the education conservancy. they say the rankings have become a beauty pageant, where some students feel pressured to choose their college based off numbers instead of their own values. there's a group called education conservancy. >> they don't like the rankings. >> they think it's a crock. >> it's true that the rankings have become a big brand for "u.s. news," but they've become a brand because there was a void of information. >> reporter: according to the robert morris, the rankings are fair, because they're based on a combination of reputation, graduation rates, faculty resources, and endowments, among other things. when we hit the streets to find out what students thought, the results were mixed. >> there's always that just, i don't know, strive to get into the school that's ranked one higher than the next. >> i think, in my opinion, it's

kind of stupid. it is. it should be that way. >> a college ranking might easily sway a college student to choose one school over another. >> biased. yeah a little bit. biased, tainted, kind of stereotypical. but important. >> we believe that we're producing something for consumers, and that's our main mission. i don't think it's this pivotal force in admissions, even though it's a factor. >> what it does is it turns students into customers. education is a product. and gaining admission to the most selective college is a prize that must be won. >> steve perry, new york. coming up on cnn, the tablets tee off. anything out there that can move in on the ipad's appeal, that's what we're wondering. we'll discuss, straight ahead. [ female announcer ] for over 30 years,

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2011 will go down as the year of the tablet in the electronics world. and in that world, apple's ipad is still the king, with an estimated 82% of the tablet market share and more than 39 million sold as of september. 39 million! other brands would kill for some of that action, and this week, some cheaper alternatives are

hitting the marketplace and there's a whole lot of buzz building about them. tech reporter katie linendal here to break down the tablet wars. holiday shopping is here. does anyone have a shot at challenging the ipod supremacy. is that right? 39 million sold as of september. wow. >> yeah. and it's hard to believe that there are over 100 plus tablets in the marketplace, because i think most people would be hard-pressed to name two that aren't the ipad. and the reason for all the failures in the market is nobody's been able to undercut the ipad in price and have the features as well. but i think this week, don, for the consumer heading into holiday, we're actually going to see some viable competition. two launching at retail that you should be aware of that's going to get a lot of buzz this week in terms of technology press. let's start with amazon's kindle fire this is a 7-inch tablet that's launching. it runs off a customized version of android. it has dual core processor, a

fast new web browser called amazon silk, and it's also being touted as an entertainment device. here's the price tag, $199, $300 cheaper than the ipad. you see on the other side, barnes & noble will also be unveiling their tablet at retail this week, also 7 inches in size, also being touted as an entertainment device. going to have a little bit more storage and memory. an extra 50 bucks. but still, have the price of the ipad. so for the mass consumer market and for that price tag, we're going to see some competition this holiday season. >> this was a tablet to me. this is a tablet that i carry around, in my briefcase. but i also carry it around with this tablet as well, just so you know. this one always works, though, it doesn't run out of battery power. so my question is, is there anything that these tablets are missing? >> yes. that's a good question. so a lot of people are saying, hey, 200 bucks, 250?!

what does the ipad have that these don't? and i think three big features, they don't have cameras. no dual-facing or front-facing camera. can't take pictures, can't take high-def pictures, can't video chat. and they have wi-fi capability, but no option for 3g. also, apps. these are running customized versions of android. there's only going to be a few thousand apps at rollout. i expect this number to increase exponentially. but when we talk about and show, you know, you have that ipad, 500,000 apps on the apple marketplace and over 100,000 of those are proprietary, just made for the ipad. those are some features to think if you can do without as a consumer. >> and let's talk about the kindle, though, because sales are already stacking up for the kindle fire. >> yeah. i think that's the one to be on the lookout for. i think the kindle fire will really stack up this season. probably the most of the two. and amazon took 500,000

preorders from september 28th to october 28th, and i don't think that even includes the millions that big box retailers have had to order too. and in terms of retail, which amazon as we typically know as a digital outlet, they'll be in 16,000 stores with the kindle fire. that goes from walmart to target to radioshack. so i think when consumers see that $200 price point, impulse buying, right there. >> wait. is amazon actually taking a hit on the kindle fire? >> yeah, allegedly they're actually taking a hit on the device. and this is really smart. they can afford to take a hit on it. what amazon is trying to encourage people to do is pick up amazon prime. this is 80 bucks a year. you get the tablet and get this $80 a year amazon prime. it gives you free streaming movies, two-day shipping on any products you get on amazon.com, and it also gives you this access to this netflix of ebooks, it's a lending library. so you can rent out nearly 5,000 different books you can use if you're a big ebook reader.

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before calling it quits for good, the rock band r.e.m. has given fans what you could call its swan song. ♪ we all go back to where we belong ♪ >> "we all go back to where we belong" is one of three new pieces of the final album that features r.e.m.'s hits from 31 years of performing. cnn's shan nok cook sat down with two band members to talk about the music that meant the most to them. ♪ >> what is r.e.m.'s legacy? >> that's not for us to decide. that's for people who love music, hopefully, to decide, what our legacy is. >> than what has been your gr t greatest accomplishment as a band? >> we did it our way. >> that's exactly right. if there were part of a legacy that we could actually fairly speak ourselves, it would be that we showed people that there are more ways than one to become

successful. in other words, you can do it on your own terms. there are a lot of people that try to tell you you have to do this, this, this, then this. >> we started with this idea of what it is to sell out, and we came from punk rock, and the whole do it yourself prealternative music, precollege radio, all the -- all of our philosophies come from punk rock. we had what r.e.m. called the rule of no. which were all the things we knew we didn't want to do. all the things that really make bands tragic and make them kind of suck. so we were trying very hard not to suck for a long time. ♪ it's the end of the world as we know it, it's the end of the world as we know it, i feel fine ♪ >> reporter: in the album, michael, you wrote, thank god we always had each other to convince ourselves how wrong and right we can be. are you going to miss that

energy? >> what i'm going to miss is being on stage with these guys. that's going to be the hardest thing. as a performer, as a live performer, that charge, that surge of energy that we get from an audience is something that i don't think i can repeat outside of or after r.e.m. i don't think i'll ever feel that again to the degree that i felt it with these guys. >> can each of you tell me which song from your extensive catalog means the -- means the most to you? >> maybe not means the most but i've been thinking a lot about a song called "supernatural superserious." i took my desire to write a character with a narrative arc that is so outrageous. i don't use the term rocking very much. but it's kind of a rocking. >> it does rock. ♪ andy, did you hear about this

one ♪ ♪ tell me are you locked in the punch ♪ >> i think "man on the moon" kind of captures all the essential elements of r.e.m. i mean, it's beautiful, it rocks, it's wistful, it's in the present and yet nostalgic. has great harmonies on it, great lyrics on it. even the video is, you know, one of the best we ever did. so i'd throw that one out there if you had to just pick one thing to represent us, i wouldn't mind that being the song. ♪ if you believe, they put a man on the moon, man on the moon ♪ >> where is the third member of r.e.m.? guitarist peter bach on the left in this photo is now -- there he is. he is now touring with singer john wesley harding. got that right. with all the new technology that is available, does being a pen pal still exist in the 21st century? one brooklyn man has proved,

yes. wait till you hear the list of people who have written him. 

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memorabilia historians would kill for. thousands of letters and photos he got from presidents and other world figures. he started his collection in 1953 by sending a christmas card to the white house. no american president comes anywhere close to his most unlikely and bizarre pen pal. >> the first one was harry truman. i was really surprised. one of the fellows said, you know, louis, i wish i had what you got right now. i go to him, i found his name in the papers. and when he overthrew some regime and he became the leader of -- he sent me four pictures. he personal signed it. he kept corresponding with me through the years, you know. but then i stopped. the reason why i stopped, i saw what he did. and i said to myself, thou

shouldn't kill innocent people. i didn't write to him anymore. it was a crime against humanity. i did write to him before he was killed. i said, and if you don't do the right thing for your people and for your country, i said, and eventually the people turn against you. top government officials, to be honest with you, came to my apartment grilling me about anything and everything that i do. the cia looked over my habit. i explained to them, you know. they said -- they said to me, it's a hell of a hobby you have. right here. signed right by his ear right over here. he doesn't sign anything. he sent it to me when he was

living in the outskirts as a spiritual leader before he overthrew. this is a personal letter of president barack on june 14th. i have personal letters he sent me through the years. i really don't admire anybody. i respect everybody. i don't play no favoritism either way. it feels good to hear from strange people that you don't know. it's very nice of them to take the time to reply back to you. i'm nobody special. just part of history and that's the way i like to be remembered after i live the planet. >> what a cool guy he is. someone help louis. he should have a library or museum. it should go in a museum or something. that is really cool. thanks, louis. let's check the headlines for you now. more than 50 arrests today of occupy protesters in portland,

oregon. >> i forgive you. >> with crime, filth, drugs, even death, there's growing sentiment occupy has overstayed its welcome. earlier protesters were pushed out of a park and their encampments torn down. their makeshift settlement had become a public hazard. president barack obama is hosting leaders from pacific nations at this year's asia pacific corporation summit in honolulu. mr. obama pitched his vision for a seamless free trade zone that could rival europe as the biggest in the world. details remain vague, though, and some opposition to the idea already exists. the president also had the chance to sit down with his chinese counterpart at the summit. on saturday he told a group of ceos that it was important for china to play by