she's 17 now. who cares? thanks for watching. we're live from the middle east tonight with our exclusive conversation with the ambassador of the united arab emirates. plus in the united states the payroll tax war intensifies. and the bottom line on ahmadinejad. let's go "outfront." i'm erin burnett, i'm live from abu dhabi in the united arab emirates. we're really standing about 50 miles from iran, where u.s. officials called an escalating conflict with america urgent. an interesting word. iran claims it shot down an american drone in a looks a lot like the one you see on your screen. it's an rq 170 cen continual.

it's a drone that's so secretive it's image can only be found on a few websites. it comes with the most sophisticated spytek nolg there is. it was used in the killing of osama bin ladin. if that's true, the technology could be in the hands of iran and other countries. this weekend leon panetta called iran an international pariah. we're hearing headlines left right and center here, the clock ticking on iran, getting a nuclear weapon. which is something nobody in this region looks it forward to. so far, recently we've had israel threatening to bomb iranian nuclear facilities. iranians attacking the british embassy. you had countries like british, france and the netherlands taking out their ambassadors on the heals of that. and have you american troops leaving a rack, which leaves a hole in the the region all of

which is contributing to a mass arms race here. iran is defiant. prices at the pump surging. that's why iran has such a powerful hand. it trails only sought saudi ara resources for opec. we have two guests with me tonight in abu dhabi. thank you both for coming "outfront" tonight. why is iran doing this right now, this very quick and very rapid escalation. >> iran feels agitated by the ongoing situation around them. we have the situation in syria. syria right now the regime, an important member of the ariane

axis is on the verge of collapse. if the regime collapses or changes over there, that's a major breach. >> is it going to get worse? and how much worse? i mean, there's people now saying america is going to be forced to intervene in some way militarily? >> on the military side, that remains to be seen. the big concern is the effect on oil prices, and how -- what effect any attack on iran would have there. we're already seeing prices rising in response to these tensions america has tried to make the point, pay, stop buying iranian oil. technically that's a difficult thing to do, even if it happened, might have an adverse effect. and that would be that there's less oil in the market, and that means the oil that's out there is worth more, that means pump prices in america go up. how much? >> this is a huge problem.

if the sanctions are effective. you will have taken the second biggest exporter of opec off the market. prices might rise to $150 a barrel. where they are now is 100, to 110. the saudis could make up some of those vast exports. >> it's interesting, when you think about it what happened the last time, 2007, that was the peak of the economic crisis in the u.s. and maybe the straw that broke the camel's back. sheik mohammed, which is a complicated relationship, we sell them a lot of weapons, iran does a lot of business with dubai. he doesn't think that iran's going toe get a nuclear weapon.

>> there are conflicting views on this over here. you'll hear differing views from officials. we heard today from the saudi foreign minister raising alarms about the iranian nuclear program as well. so and even -- the wide belief is even if iran goes nuclear, it's going to maintain an opec policy. how do you ever meet someone over here who really has any doubts that iran will eventually become a nuclear power. >> and the arms race then just continues? we're in the midst here, in this region. of maybe the biggest arms race this region has ever had. >> if iran goes nuclear, do some of the other arab states, sauddy arabia, for example, do they also try to go nuclear and

intensify the arm's race, or put in place some backing with the u.s., some cold war style containment of iran and somehow deal with the worst consequences, prevent the worst consequences of obtaining a nuclear weapon. >> all of these issues depend on the stability in saudi arabia and the united arab emirates. right now i'm standing on 10% of the world's oil, 50 miles from iran. terrorism was also on the front burner here in the united arab emirates today. police chiefs were gathering right here in abu dhabi, at the lapd global symposium. there's 40 million tourists a year that come to las vegas, he's extremely concerned about terrorist attacks, here's what he said. >> the lone individual, the extremist is the one that

concerns us the most. i think they've demonstrated in other places in the world, you don't necessarily need the sophisticated bomb and a variety of things to impact -- really hurt people, and accomplish what they want to. >> i asked him if if the u.s. and middle east police officials were actually sharing crucial information about extremists. >> we're not where we need to be. you know, i've been involved in policing for many years. we've made some significant strides, you know, since 9/11, but i don't think anyone would say we're where we need to be. >> well, a lot of people wonder why dubai, a place where burqas beer and extremely skimpy bathing wear mix in abundance

has not been targeted by terrorists in the middle east. the sheikh believes people come here to make money. it's simple. an opportunity. people that might blow themselves up in other countries do it when they get here. here's the quiz, and please don't google it. how many countries use the euro. take a guess. >> guess what happened here in herman cain gets out of the race, and i've got a job offer for herman cain right here in abu dhabi. the story we couldn't believe from kentucky. a church banning interracial marriage. it's shocking and disturbing it could happen in america today. a big development and the bride comes back out front tonight. my doctor told me calcium

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all right. there's big news in europe. as europe is struggling to survive and stay together, the two people making all the decisions, angela merkel of germany and nicolas sarkozy of france. they're changing the rules and say we're going to get tough. no more easy money.

herer are a couple automatic changes, automatic sanctions for member countries that fail to keep budget deficits at a certain level. that's 3% of gdp. that's a big, big problem frankly for all european countries. also requiring countries in the euro to pass laws that require a commitment to a balanced budget. that's interesting, considering that's something in the united states that is a huge battle right now, especially in a time of economic duress. but they're pushing in europe. the european bailout fund is permanent by the end of the next year. so, we'll see what all this means, but 134 of these are pretty stark and brings big changes for europe. which brings us to our number tonight, 27. that's the answer for those of you who didn't cheat or google or know the number of nations in the european union. merkel and sarkozy hope to get all of those countries to sign on to new rules. makes herding cats look like the easiest thing in the world.

right now, we'll see. 17 is the other number of the night. that's the number of countries that use the actual euro. speaking of money and the deficits, let's talk about the united states and the big issue at home tonight is the payroll tax. talk heated up in washington, and the issue is pretty much everybody likes the payroll tax but don't agree on how to pay for it. democrats want to tax the wealthy, particularly millionaires and billionaires. republicans want to pay for it by maybe freezing federal salaries or something like that. here's what president obama said today. >> i know many republicans have sworn an oath never to raise taxes as long as they live. how can it be the only time there is a catch is when it comes to raising taxes on middle class families? how can you fight tooth and nail to protect high end tax breaks for the wealthiest americans and yet barely lift a finger to prevent taxes going up for 160 million americans who really need the help. it doesn't make sense.

>> okay. of course, it's not that simple, as we've pointed out many times. if you let the bush tax cuts go away for people that make over $250,000, you raise $650 billion. there's a lot of tough choices to be made. gloria borger joins us now, along with paul begala. let me start with you, gloria. what's the outcome of the payroll tax because nobody wants to not have it extended by the end of year? >> i think in the end they're probably going to extend it. the president is on terra firma. at the goes out there and he wants to extend these tax cuts for the middle class. and 7 out of 10 americans, erin, are with him on that. also, the democrats came out with what they say is a compromise. they say, look, this surtax on millionaires, we're going to make it temporary. we're only going to have it for ten years.

they also proposed some cuts on the spending side. so politically at least, erin, i think they're really on very solid ground. my question to dan would be, how do republicans, dan, argue they're for tax cuts except for this one? >> i think obama had a pretty good dig at them. republicans fight correctly in my view against higher tax rates in terms of the bush tax cuts, and yet they were a little bit reluctant to get out front and let the democrats actually outflank them to the right on middle class tax cuts. now republicans are back on the tax cut reservation, and instead we're fighting over how to, quote, pay for these tax cuts. the democrats want some class warfare tax hikes, and the republicans want to slightly reduce the growth rate of government spending. >> paul, why not more substantial spending cuts from the democrats, and then they can really claim the high ground here? >> first off, let me correct the record.

27 republicans, the majority of republicans in the senate voted against the republican way to pay for it. they voted against the salary freeze, which was an obama initiative. they want to extend that, the republicans did. and spending cuts. the majority of republicans in the senate don't want to pay for this tax cut the way the republican leadership does. they just don't want it. why? they supported every tax cut since 1776 under abraham lincoln, why this one? i think -- this is a mean thing to say. i believe that republicans are acting like they'd rather hurt the economy in order to hurt obama politically, but what they do is hurt themselves politically actually. if this obama middle class tax cut is killed by the republicans, it could cost a million jobs according to independent analysts. it could take 2% off the gdp according to the jpmorgan report. this is a big deal economically. i fear republicans are making the calculation saying, look, as

one republican aide said, we can't afford to give obama a win. that's a different issue. but i think that's what's going on here. they're tanking the economy to hurt obama. >> erin, it seems to me the president's got himself a pretty good campaign issue here, doesn't he? >> he has a good campaign issue. >> i think you're absolutely right about that. especially when you get dan to admit that. let me ask each of you one more thing. i want to switch it over and talk about donald trump. the kissing of the ring, i can't resist. even here everyone is talking about. when is donald trump going to endorse, and how important is the endorsement, gloria? >> honestly, i think it's a side show. i think some may show up in the debate, but in a general election if you're a republican nominee, you don't want to be seen as being too close to donald trump, what after all is a birther, and that the doesn't work too well with independent voters. i think it's a reality show, right? >> i guess that's kind -- i

guess that's kind of true. interesting to note, one final thing, dan. i always found it like, you get -- chris christie gets out of the race, makes his endorsement immediately for mitt romney. everybody thought it would matter so much. it didn't even move the needle. >> republicans are very hungry for someone to adopt the mantle of ronald raken, and so far it doesn't seem like there's a reagan in the race. they may have to wait until 2016 for rubio or ryan og something like that. >> all right. paul, bottom line, you think newt's got it in the polls now for the next three weeks, or will we see another swap? this is an over/under question. >> you're a financial expert. you know the volatility in the stock market, we need a political value timt index or something. it's an open question. can newt hold a lead for three weeks? that would be a long time in

this race. it's amazing. >> and by the way, i was talking to republicans erin, the question they're saying to me is, will newt implode, and if he implodes, when is he going to implode? before he gets the nomination, if he gets it? or will he do it after he gets the nomination? there's a lot of fear on the republican side about newt gingrich. >> all right. well, i want you all to know that over here i found this great magazine in arabic, because i knew herman cain is looking to do something now, right? perfect timing. see if this shows on camera here. the magazine is called the "999." herman cain, editor and chief. >> outstanding, erin. >> i couldn't resist. >> be the headhunter there for mr. cain. >> thanks. >> sure. >> thanks so much to all three of you. i really appreciate you taking the time. all right. ahead, a lot of people say there's no arab spring in the

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in honor of its 40th anniversary, the united arab emirates has had a lot of cultural events over the past few takes including quite a few that have something to do with camels. sie every day feels like a hump day when you haven't slept in a few days like our team, we think it's fair to do a camel report from abu dhabi. we found the director of the emirates heritage center and asked him three questions. how many words are there for camel in arabic? >> in arabic there are more than 100. >> wow. why is that? >> it's about the father and mother of the camel and the area that the camel was born. >> now, when you see a camel in the desert, is it wild? >> no. because every camel, every owner has a special mark on the camel.

it's called alazid. >> a mark on the camel. third question. i know you're getting ready in abu dhabi for a beauty contest for camels. the winning camel can win $100? is she pretty enough? >> this is for the racing only. we use it for tourists and for the students also. a special camel is a black one. >> those are the most beautiful? >> yeah. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> all right. tufan might not be beautiful enough, but we'll introduce you to beautiful, black camels on another day. next, we talk to sheikh mohammed. he has a lot of camels and a horse collection in the country. he often races in the kentucky derby. he's the prime minister of the united arab emirates, ruler of dubai, protesters and all that is on the table after this. a possible 28,000 job cuts

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welcome back to the second half of our show where we make the calls, do the reporting and find the out front five. number one tonight is iran. tensions are rising and escalating quickly. u.s. officials say it's an urgent situation in iran tonight. we're standing 50 miles away in

there live in the united arab emirates, the capital, abu dh i dhabi. we'll show you a picture. it's supposedly one of the most advanced spy technologies that the americans have. now it's unclear exactly what happened to the drone and who may get ahold of the technology if indeed this happened. analysts we talked to tonight including robin mills say oil prices could go as high as $150 or $200 a barrel, if there is a disruption in iranian oil supply. syria agreed today to allow arab league observers into the country, but demanded sanctions be dropped in exchange. this is an interesting story because sources here say a lot of arab governments are going along with the sanctions because they think they have to, because the united states wants them to and the international community wants them to. on the side they call the assad regime and say we'll keep doing business as usual.

it's going to be interesting to see how this all plays out. more than 4,000 have died in the protests. number three, it is post office. we could see massive job cuts, up to 28,000 in part due to cost-reducing measures which might include getting rid of next day delivery in some areas. dropping to five days is also on the table. 28,000 workers could lose their jobs. as i indicated 100,000 americans could lose their jobs by 2015. the national association of letter writers says degrading standards not only hurts the public and the businesses we serve, it's counter-productive for the postal service because it will drive more people away. number four, big meetings in europe, but today standard & poor's put the euro zone countries, 15 on a negative credit watch. that means there's a 50% chance they could get a downgrade in the next 90 days. some of the those people might have been laughing at the united states back in august. maybe not so much now. high government debt, not working together, political dysfunction.

the same problems that happened in the u.s. among the countries on the list, france and germany, those are the two everyone expects to pay for the bailout. pot meet kettle. it's 122 days since america lost its top credit rating. what are we doing to get it back? the united arab emirates celebrated its 40th anniversary, and i had a rare chance to spend the day with the prime minister of uae. he's known here as his highness. he dreamed up and delivered dubai to the world. he took me on a 35-minute trip to a cabinet meeting where i noticed four women ministers. despite dubai's massive real estate crash where prices plunged 60%, the city still has indoor skiing, the world's tallest building and there's an atlantis on a man made island.

you can't come here without feeling the crash. many buildings are empty with projects on hold and sand singing back to the sea. dubai's fate matters to the u.s. they saw the uae is america's biggest ally in the middle east, and abu dhabi sits on 10% of the world's oil, raking in $10 billion a month. some of the money goes to america. it's one of the biggest buyers of american weapons. this is not a democracy. in a wide-ranging conversation that included the arab spring, dissent and the uae and iran, i began asking the sheik if his ambitions for dubai have changed since the real estate crisis? >> i don't call it a crisis. it's a challenge. this is a challenge. all good leaders when things are all right, but you take a good leader will come in a crisis like that. >> what about the real estate market here? the europeans own a lot of real estate in dubai. when you're here, you see a lot of europeans on vacation and buying property. is the european crisis affecting dubai?

>> of course. i mean, even the american crisis or european crisis affects the market. we're here better than anyone else. we get out of the crisis, and we're back building again. but just remind me, when the crisis, the total spending was completed, all it was in the crisis. all the big projects were not stopped. we only stop some projects in the paper for a year or two. >> i was surprised when i was hear in may at the american university graduation in dubai. i made a comment that i was covering tahrir square during the revolution. the students in the audience were cheering, and you were supportive of them. i wasn't sure whether you would be supportive of them. i wasn't sure how you would react. what's your view of the arab

spring? >> in 2004 i said please change our you'll be changed. >> you were talking about arab governments. >> the arab governments. the arab spring is the people who waited for a long time, and some governments are saving themselves and not saving their people. >> you look at egypt with the first round of elections. they have democracy, but democracy is going to elect the muslim brotherhood and the salafis. very conservative muslim groups. some people have said they're worried that egypt, which is so the important it to the arab world, could become like iran. that they could democratically choose to be like iran with a ayatollah with a totally religious society. do you have that fear at all? >> no. i don't. egypt has a very strong army. they're watching what's happening and giving the lead for this party. >> what about in syria? what do you think is going to happen in syria? >> i think syria is a more

complicated than egypt or libya because they have iran around them, lebanon, and all that. so it is different than anywhere else, people want jobs, they want opportunities, and they ask me for it. unless they change and start making things good for the people, or they will carry on like that. >> or he'll go if he doesn't change? >> yeah. >> explain how government works here. the united arab emirates is different. you have accomplished things that other countries have not, but it's not a democracy either. explain how it works. >> we're in tribes. we must save our people. we must get the education, universities here, the hospitals, housing, and no tax here. the government is the wealth to

spend on the people. >> no tax? a lot of people on the street love that. what about dubai do you like? no tax, no tax. >> no tax. the government is working like today in the cabinet. we made the program. we have our vision. we go through it, and we're achieving that vision, you know? the dream. we are getting there. it's different. when everybody can come to the ruler and say, well, i didn't get that or that or this department or this ministry. give me my rights. >> they come to you and directly ask you, you didn't do this. i want that. you have to answer to the individual person. >> yes. and they will complain about that one ministry, so i get ahold of the minister and say, why don't you do your job? >> there were five activists

here in the uae sentenced to two or three years in jail pardoned on national day. amnesty international called them the uae-5. how did that happen? it's my understanding, they were -- one of them was saying that all of the free things in the uae, the free health care, the free education, no taxes. he said it was buying off the people. trying to give them money so they're happy so they don't demand change like in egypt, like in syria. what's your view of what happened and whether it's okay to say something like that here? >> if you are a criminal you go to court. not everybody is rarely perfect, and we are not perfect, you know. we're doing a lot for our people. we still have more to do. we hope that we become a better citizen for their own good and people. >> it leads to the question, the one thing over the years covering the uae. people say, the press isn't totally free, people can't say

everything that they think. do you think that's how in this society you need to govern? >> as long as they don't say something wrong about a person or authorities, they can say anything they want. as i told you, we are not perfect, we are still learning. we're trying to do our job right and help our people. we have our own democracy. you cannot transport your democracy to us. we are different. for example, our democracy coming from the koran, and you know, as long as you don't step on somebody else, you are free to do what you like. >> when people look at you, they say your family has ruled dubai for 200 years. your son will rule after you. father to son. will that continue forever, do you think? >> as long as the people want that. our tribe -- we're ruling a bigger tribe because they're accepting us to do that.

>> so do you think that there will be more countries with a governments fall in the arab spring? >> i think this period of time, in 100 years 24rks might happen again, yes? you have to be careful. you don't know what's happening here or there. but i think the gulf state is safe for the time being. >> the issue i'm interested in with the welfare system. it's amazing to have free health care and education and no taxes. it's a good thing. it also sometimes could be not a good thing, because maybe people are a little complacent and they get a little bit lazy because they know someone's going to take care of them. instead of starting a new business or working really hard, they know that there's a safety net there. do you ever worry about that? >> not really. not really, because this is only the basic. people want more. they want a better life. they want a better job. so they have to work harder. >> dubai's had some problems, but you're going ahead?

so you're showing people that you can take risks and have failures and stand up and keep going? >> yeah. and don't stop when somebody doubts you. once you make up your mind, then go full speed. that's what we think, and that's what we believe, and that's what is going to happen. i'm not looking for the last spring. i'm looking for the next spring. >> all right. you'll see a whole lot more of sheik mohammad as you see our full day we spent with him. we are standing 50 miles from iran tonight. it's a really important relationship for this country, which has two mines about it. they don't want iran to move forward, but it's an important economic partner for the uae, very important in particular for dubai where 15% of the property according to experts i know is owned by iranians. sheikh mohammed said he doesn't think iran would get a nuclear weapon, because he said they

would know that israel or united states would bomb them right back. we shall see. up next, we talk about a terrible story we hear too much of. a 7-year-old kidnapped and found in a dumpster. why do we keep hearing these stories? why do they keep happening? we're going to talk about that and go straight to the story. last week, a woman, a church banned her and her fiancee from coming to the church. why? because she's white and he's black. when you have tough pain, do you want fast relief?

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to get yours, go to ssagesmalibubook.com. all right. we do this at the same time every night, our outer circle. we reach out to our sources around the world. because i'm in abu dhabi and the united arab emirates and we are going to begin in the united states. we go to connecticut, where jurors are deciding to sentence joshua cokomisarjevsky to death. the hard to imagine home invasion and brutal murder of a mother and her daughters. deborah feyerick is outside the courthouse. what is the jury discussing? >> reporter: the jury is looking at the overall life of the convicted killer, to determine if he should be spared death by lethal injection.

for example, they're considering he has a 9-year-old daughter, and that he himself was a victim of sexual abuse as a child, something that triggered mental problems later on. the jurors have to weigh that and more against the brutal home invasion that left a mom and her two daughters dead following a night of torture. erin. >> well, that story is just still so impossible to imagine, but still there are children that are abducted, murdered, raped every day in this country. it seems that way sometimes when you hear stories like this one. for two days georgia authorities and the fbi have been searching for a 7-year-old. she disappeared from a playground in canton, georgia. tonight that nightmare became a horrific reality, because investigators found her murdered in a dumpster near her family's apartment. holly firfer is working the story in canton and is here with us now. what can you tell us, holly? >> reporter: erin, as you can tell everybody here in this neighborhood is shocked and saddened. right behind me they're holding a candlelight vigil. this is a tight-knit community and apartment complex where people thought they were safe. here's what we know.

she was last seen on the playground by herself unsupervised on friday evening and then she went missing. her mom called the authorities about 7:00, and they could not find her. they found her unfortunately today in a dumpster. authorities are focusing on this apartment complex right now. could it have been somebody here? they said there were some empty apartment buildings. they may have found some evidence in one of them, so they're keeping the search here. gbi officials are going door to door searching apartments, searching cars and asking any of the neighbors if they've seen anything or know anything, erin. >> thank you very much. erin runyan lost her daughter samantha in 2002. she was 5 years old at the time. she was found sexual abused and murdered. she's an advocate for protecting children from these horrible situations and deaths for their families. thanks so much for being

"outfront" with us tonight. >> my pleasure. >> there are no suspects, but they're checking the sex offenders in the area. i'm curious, from the people you've worked with, from of from all you've scene, is it true that this happens at the hands of known sex offenders or is that just perception? >> i think that's really just perception. the vast majority of child molesters are never caught. they're never accused much less convicted of their crimes. it's estimated that less than 10% of child molesters are ever caught. it's important that 10% are ever caught. >> fewer than 10%? >> i am serious, yeah. these are one of the most underreported crimes in the country. most children do not disclose when somebody is inappropriate with them. they don't even have the words or the context to say, this person touched me inappropriately. that's why we do parent education and empower children to stop these crimes before they happen.

the very first sign of resistance from a child is usually enough to stop a child molester. these people don't -- they're not out there looking for a challenge, that's why they're preying on codes, they're looking for easy opportunities. >> let me ask you before this case in georgia. it seems like what holly's talking about, maybe the child had been being taken care of by a teenager. we have a teenager watch your kids, that's part of growing up. we all were baby-sitters, is that part of the problem here? >> i don't think it is, you know, vulnerability in and of itself isn't a bad thing if there are people looking for opportunities to take advantage of it. we can't be there 24/7 watching our children, but it is important that we do be as vigilant and provide as much supervision as we can. in lots of communities where there's communal living, like apartment complexes and condominium communities where we lived, when my daughter was taken it was the same type of

scenario, there was a central courtyard where all of the children played. i remember stabbeding out thereafter she was taken, i knew all of these children, but i didn't know half of the parents. i said it should not take a tragedy like this to bring us together as a community to protect our children. there's so much more that we could do. hopefully her legacy will help us to bring parents together and talk about how each neighborhood can better protect their kids. >> erin, thank you very much. for coming up front and sharing your story, i know you've gone out and made a big difference in the back of a tragedy. only 10% -- that's just absolutely stunning. thanks again, erin, i appreciate you taking the time. that shocking story that we couldn't believe, a schuch banning an interracial couple from coming to the church because they're interester racial. they're engaged to be married. there's a big development in this case about a church in

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you may remember a story that we were really passionate about last week. i really couldn't believe it when i heard it. this is a church in eastern kentucky that had voted to ban interracial couples from being part of the church all because of one couple who came to sing at the church. well, as we told you, the vote

at the time for the gulnare baptist church in kentucky was 9-6. that changed this weekend. and the church's new pastor characterized the vote this way. >> a vote to accept all people regardless of race, creed or color, and to accept everyone into the fellowship of christ. >> stella harville joins us again. a woman who was engaged to a black man. stella let me just ask you, what's your reaction to this new vote? do you feel relieved, happy, vindicated? what do you feel? >> oh, yes. teach and i are definitely relieved to hear this overturned. however, we're still hurt by this, but at least we've taken a step in the positive direction and we can move on with our lives. >> so what are you going to do now? are you going to go back to the church? are your parents, who i know were members of the congregation, going to be going

back to the church, singing as they used to? >> my parents have expressed they'll return back to the church to support pastor stacy because he's stood by us and supported us throughout all this. they want to help support him in trying to rebuild the church. but as for teach and i, it won't be any time soon. it's just -- it's going to take a lot, a lot of time for us to forgive them. i mean, stacy, we know that we're welcomed by stacy, but it's still hurtful. >> yes, and what about how this vote went down? you said there were two people who abstained in this recent vote this weekend. you said before that's what upset you the most was the people who didn't bother to vote. do you know who abstained and how do you feel about them? >> this shouldn't be a question of debate for a church to accept all people of every race, every color. that shouldn't even be a debate. and if they have a hard time accepting that, i mean, i really

hope they re-evaluate their faitith, and all i can do is ju, you know, pray to god that they just be open to god's love because they're not the true -- they're not exhibiting the true representation of christ. >> well, thank you so much for being with us and for sharing your story. i'm so glad that it was resolved in this way and that maybe other people can learn from you. stella harville, thank you very much. all right. thank you for watching our show here live from the united arab emirates and dubai. we're going to put our interview with sheikh and ruler of dubai on our website. we look forward to your comments about what you think about democracy and ruling and what you think about dubai. please let us know. we're looking forward to hearing