and it's been a real delight to finally get a chance to talk to you. >> thanks for having me. thank you. >> that's all for us tonight. "ac 360" starts right now. we begin keeping them honest with the protest call the most significant of its kind in its country in nearly 100 years. when you see what triggered it, you'll understand. this is how it started. just outside tahrir square in cairo. a wall of police charging at protesters. this is video taking back in the demonstrations in the spring that toppled the old regime. it's from this weekend. this is what the new regime is doing. what happened next sent egyptian women in the streets in a protest not seen in a very long time. it's sending shockwaves across egypt and the entire world. fair warning, what the camera caught, what the women are protesting, it's hard to watch. and there's also no sound. which perhaps is just as well because the images speak for themselves. watch.

>> we don't flow what ultimately became of this woman except she surfed serious cuts and bruises. we do know this, she's not the only one. keeping them honest, until tonight the generals in charge of egypt these days were insisting what you just saw was only an isolated incident. >> translator: here i want to mention a very important point. the armed forces and police have pledged not to use violence against protesters. physically or even verbally. >> do these troops look leak they've taken some sort of pledge of nonviolence against protesters? i mean, does beating the daylights out of defenseless people qualify as nonviolence? it's been going on for days riot police engaged in rioting of

their own. keeping them honest, we'll speak with "the new york times'" david kirkpatrick no one has been investigated of charged with any misconduct. in a statement today the military supreme council said it had already taken quote all of the legal action to hole whoever is responsible accountable. as we show you she's picture consider the rest of the statement. the supreme council quote say reashoours the respect for women and right of protesting and active positive participation in political life. it regrets violations, pleural, took place over the last several days. activist mona safe knew all of that. she's been seeing it firsthand. we spoke earlier tonight. mona, this brutal video, it's hard to watch. a woman being severely beaten and dragged through the streets. people have seen it all around the world now, as you probably

know. you say that egyptian authorities are specifically targeting women. is that right? >> yes. seeing in the current clashes it's part of the tactic, they are specifically targeting women, specifically beating up women, and harassing them sexually assaulting them to threaten them and also to send the signal that there are no more red line for them. what we would have thought are things they would never dare to commit are things they are now doing publicly in the middle of the street with all cameras directed at them. this is a sign it's open war between us and them. >> they're not trying to hide it you're saying. i mean, you -- we see this incident here, we're watching it right now on the monitors on tv, but i mean, is that an isolated thing? are you seeing that offcamera as well? is this happening more and more? >> i'm seeing that what you are seeing right now has happened in

the past three or four days to more than one girl. on the 16th there was more than nine girls detained by the army. actually more than 20 girls detained by the army. nine hospitalized, detained for overnight in the cabinet building and they were then transferred to hospital because of the wounds and bruises they suffered from the assault, they endured because of our army. so i'm saying that this is not an isolated incident. this seems to be a conscious decision to make them reconsider joining the street protests again. >> the video again is hard to watch. people literally stomping their boots on people's bodies. up until yesterday, as you know, military authorities were claiming they haven't used violence against the egyptian people. you can decide for yourself watching the video.

but today, mona, they did issue an apology and said they will investigate these incidents. what do you make of that? do you trust they're going to do this? >> no, of course, an apology -- a written apology is nothing. we have -- we have hundreds of detainees that are facing trial right now, facing prosecution right now. all of them are tortured. majority of them are minors and they were all tortured. we have officially 13 marchers so far. we have tens and hundreds of wounded. the girl you just seen is not the single case. there's another one, an older woman, who insides and tries to protect another girl and she's currently in the hospital with a hemorrhage and broken skull. so we are talking about a horrible, horrible sequence of time against all sorts of ages and gender of revolutionaries and egyptian citizens and an apology on tv and facebook is not enough. >> thanks so much. you told me earlier you're in a

safe place. i hope you continue to be safe. thank you for joining us. with us now in cairo david kirkpatrick of the new york times. in new york senior fellow at stanford. welcome back. welcome back. you've seen this video of a woman brutalized, undressed partially. it was stunning to see. what's the reaction where you are inside egypt? >> you know, i think that video may have been viewed more often in the united states than it has been in egypt. it's been widely shown on the independent satellite television here, television networks here and they've proliferated since mubarak left but a lot of egyptian get their news from state television, government television, telling a very different story. portraying the protesters as paid thugs out to take down the egyptian government, egyptian buildings and assaulting egyptian soldiers.

so it came as something of a surprise tonight when so many egyptian women took to the street over this -- over this image and over this story, you know? thousands, maybe even ten thousand women, carrying this picture of the woman who we don't know her name, people here call her the blue bra girl marching through the streets. it's been really a galvanizing moment i think for a lot of egyptian women. >> looking at those images now as you're talking. secretary clinton said this today, this systemic degradation of egyptian women dishonors the revolution. she said women were being targeted. based on what you're hearing and learning, is that true, do you believe? are women specifically being targeted there? >> i think they are being targeted and i think what it tells us, what we are witnessing is a mix of class and sexual violence because, remember, this recruit, the people you are watching and you described it right when you said it's the riot police having a riot of

their own, charging these protesters. these recruits, these security forces, they come from the poorest of egyptian society and to them the protesters are prissy, the protesters are educate, the protesters are paid agents by foreign powers, unnamed foreign powers. so what you are witnessing is, if you will an amuss toward women and the protests and of this young recruits who are poor, who are very poorly paid, very poorly trained and i think it's a reckoning time for feel marshall the great oz hiding behind the curtain he must come out and own up to this violence. >> professor, some of this is disheartening to hear especially after all we saw this spring. there seemed to be a hope that the revolts of the arab spring would hold governments more accountable but also broaden social reforms. is that goal realistic with all that we're seeing now? >> these were 18 magical days.

we remember them. 18 days in liberation square tahrir square, in a way the promise of the arab spring is alive. we're not witnessing the violence of the arab spring. we're witnessing the violence of the security forces, trains, nurtures by the mubarak regime, by the field marshall, when people look at events now, they say democracy is failing. this liberty, the new liberty's failing. no it's the instruments of repression of the old regime that are failing. >> david, i mean, as you hear all of that, and you put together events of last couple of days, we heard a general of the ruling military council at first denying there was any violence against protesters. today that same general expressing great regret for attacks on women, promiing to punish assailants. this some indication that change is possible? >> well, i think it is.

whenever you see in a world of martial law, when you see the ruling military council bend the way they did tonight, cough up that apology while the women were in the street you know they got some kind of power. i have to say over the last few weeks we've seen the military council increasingly move to try to carve out for itself perm political powers and autonomy in the coming egyptian constitution. they want to hold on to power, perhaps behind a civil mask. for a while, i thought they were going to get away with it. it's been a violent few weeks here but it's really also made me question whether the egyptian people are willing to go along with that. i think what we're seeing is a very meaningful resistance to that plan, and really strong back and forth between the military council that done really want to go so fast and a lot of egyptians who are just as

eager for democracy as they seem to be in february. >> professor, does the united states, do you believe, have a role here, given the extent of the violence that we're witnessing here? >> well, we have a role. we're invested in the egyptian, in egypt, in the egyptian regime, invested in the officer class who run this country because you do have an officer class, really kind of a ruling cast and they wish to as david kirkpatrick says they're not willing to relinquish power. we have ties to officer, there is $1.3 billioned a to the corps about we were implicated in some of this i think. i think we should speak out, as our secretary of state has spoken out, it's the proper thing to do. >> i mean you're hearing a lot of people speaking out but still what happens next remains to be seen. there's elections coming up in a month from now. we'll keep on top of that. professor, as always, thank you. david, please stay safe out there as well.

and at home, let us know what you any, we're on facebook, google plus, follow me on twitter. i'll be tweeting throughout the night. next, house republicans block tax cuts and not only is the president upset at this move, so is john mccain. we'll explain what happened, what it means for your paycheck. also, what some republicans think it might mean for the overall gop brand. later, fascinating, series on junk science in court and potentially innocent people who could be doing time because of it. >> based on the evidence heard in this trial are you comfortable saying that mr. hornek is guilty of murder? >> i'm not, no. >> that's coming up. >> sanjay, i'm not going to sing it because frankly there's nothing festive about it but the weather outside really is frightful. in fact, it's beyond that. try dangerous. even deadly. we'll show you where this massive winter storm is hitting and where it's heading. that and much more when "360" continues.

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>> we've done our work for the american people now it's up to the people, democrats in senate, to do their job as well. >> earlier, president obama lashed out. >> i saw today that one of the house republicans were referred to what they're doing as, quote, high stakes poker. he's right about the stakes. but this is not poker. this is not a game. >> the stakes, to be clear, are about $1,000 for the average taxpayer. the political stakes in an election year could be significant. we'll explore the split this issue seems to be opening in a moment. first, dana bash is at the capital, reporting on this all day. you've talked to law mercks about all of this. what is the latest you're hearing. >> reporter: this is an honest to goodness standup. i've been covering congress for more years than i'd like to count, when you have these

stalemates, in the past year when they've been tough you had conversation about potential compromise. what makes this really different and interesting, everybody, it's important to underscore, everybody wants a one-year payroll tax extension. the president, senate democrats, house democrats, republicans, the earn has been how to pay for it it it cost $120. that's why the senate passed the two-month extension. republicans as well, but that is something that house republicans, simply say, it's not good enough. that's in why they're stuck here. >> and are they concerned, as far as you can tell, members of congress, the republicans in particular, about certainly getting blamed that the tax cut expires? >> reporter: you wouldn't know this from public bravado, talking to members in both parties, particularly republicans in the hallways today, there concern, there's no question about it especially throws who have been around here for a long time, even the new members who really want to make

a stand on things like this. that's they're saying they are concerned. this is something that's different. this is a pocketbook issue. as you mentioned at the top of the show, the segment, affects people's pocketbooks. people making $50,000 a year will see $1,000 sliced out of their paycheck. that makes a difference. >> especially this time of year. dana bash, thanks so much. to that point, there is new polling out today suggesting that tax battle is hurting republicans and helping the president. take a look at this. by 50-31% margin, people have more confidence in mr. obama than in congressional republicans to handle the major issues facing the country. the survey shows mr. obama's job approval at 49%, which is up 5 points from last month. disapproval number, 48%, is down 6 points. to be clear, they're not stellar numbers going into a re-election campaign, not by any means but it is something to ask our political panel. ari fleischer and democratic

strategist paul begala. thanks for joining us. paul, let me start with you, december 20th, five days before christmas, are you surprised the way this is playing out the payroll tax cut debate? >> i think we've seen this coming all year. go back to the spring, republicans were flirting with the government shutdown. they wanted to shut down the government. in the summer they flirted with defaulting on the national debt, something we haven't done in 200 years. forgive me if i see a pattern here. there's pretty good evidence that the republicans seem to be willing to tank the economy in order to hurt the president politically. of course you tank the economy by hurting the middle class. i don't think it's going to work. i don't think it's good politics or economics but i think that's what they're doing.

>> ari, i can't imagine you agree with all of that. before you respond, i want to play a clip of how senator mccain characterized the fight over the payroll tax extension on "the situation room" with wolf blitzer. take a listen. it is harming the republican party. it is harming the view if it's possible, anymore of the american people about congress. >> so do you agree with that assessment, ari? >> i disagree with john mccain and paul begala. the senate has turned into a killing ground of all good things in washington, d.c. they haven't passed a budge net two years and now instead of doing what has always been done, passing tax cuts that last a year, which is the way tax cuts work, they pass something that never happened before, a two-month tax cut which makes no sense. why? the senate couldn't figure out how to pass anything more meaningful so they did what they always do, rubbed each other's backs, did something meaningless, called it a day and the senate left town. now the house has calls the senate's bluff. nobody like to see this distribute happening in washington, d.c.

from a pure policy point of view, what the house passed is superior to what the senate has done, much more serious, much more substantive. politically, risky, yes. but it is the sounder, better approach, of the two approaches. >> isn't it significant to you, in the senate, talking about a vote 89-10, both parties agreeing, at least voting on this particular proposal, in the affirmative. 89-10, that -- isn't that significant in terms -- >> no. it's exactly the sign of what's wrong with the senate. they couldn't get their act together to pass anything meaningful to last a year. they give up, let's get together, pass a bad policy and they all got together to pass a two of month extension. this is meaningless. we'll be back two months later with the same argument. the other thing, too, the senate's walked away from the table. always when there's a disagreement between the house and the senate on how to pass legislation, which is typical, happens in every congress, they

meet in the conference committee to work things out. the senate's refused to meet in the committee and barack obama won't call the democrats to meet in the conference committee. this in is an abdication. this is bad policy. >> people have serious sort of opinions on what's going on, what's driving it. paul i want to play another clip. what david axelrod told fox news. >> you have to wonder whether some folks over there think somehow screwing up the economy, throwing a wrench in the works is a good political strategy for them, if they can slow the recovery down, if they can -- if they can cause a half million or delay a million jobs that that will hurt the president. >> do you think, do you agree, paul, this is an intentional republican strategy to try to hurt the president? >> if we look at what they do, i think the answer has to be yes. if you look at what they have said.

it been their stated policy for quite some time. the senate minority leader, the republican leader in the senate, mitch mcconnell, he said, let me get it exactly right, the single most important thing we want to achieve is for president obama to be a one-term president. single most important. when speaker boehner was told his economic ideas would cause lay-off his said, i quote, so be it. a dozen or more prominent republicans wrote a letter to ben bernanke, chairman of the federal reserve, threatening him if he stimulated the economy. the letter said that they didn't want him to do anything more to stimulate the economy. so it just -- i could go on and on. of course they're profit and buddha, rush limbaugh began the presidency saying he hopes president obama fails. forgive me if elook at this economic sabotage that the republicans have been committing now for quite sometime and think they have a strategy here. >> if you want to do something fool herb to hurt the economy, pass a two-month tax cut. a two-month tax cut is bad economics, bad planning, bad

policy, bad for decision making. it's economically meaningless. that's what senate has decided to get together and do. and that's why house republicans are a much higher substantive ground. they're trying to pass a one-ier tax cut for $1,000 and what the senate passed is $150 to $175 tax cut. that's nothing. that won't stimulate anything. the only thing that stimulates is the senate getting out of town. >> so what happens? you've got 11 days left before the end of the year. how does this play out? >> honestly, i have no idea because -- >> i don't think i've ever heard you say that. >> i know. i'm trying to read the minds of people who -- the only thing i can see is they're trying to hurt the president, trying to hurt the economy, trying to hurt the middle class. in my lifetime republicans have never opposes a tax cut, one for five minutes or 50 years. they're opposing this one because president obama put it into law. last year this time they cut what i thought was a terrible deal. it cut taxes for rich guys like fleischer for two years but working people one. why?

republicans wouldn't agree to two-year tax cut for the middle class because they don't want to stimulate the middle class, they don't want to help the middle class and the economy in an election year. why else cut taxes for rich people for two years and working people for one? the only strategy here is to tank the economy. >> ari, i know you've got something. >> he wanted a one-year tax cut. he told us it was a one-time deal, one-time tax holiday it would be good for the economy, which it wasn't. now he's changed his language and said it's all about fairness. that's the other factor of this. >> guys -- >> now we're into this debate every two months. >> i western we had more time. obviously, strong opinions on this. we'll stay on top of it at least until the end of the year. next on "360," a massive deadly winter form hammering parts of the central united states. what's happening with it where it's headed next. violence taking more lives

on the streets of syria. dozens of protesters roux reportedly killed by police and soldiers. any fan of csi heard a blood spatter, the forensic evidence that convicts television criminal. in real life it's not reliable. >> i'm troubled by the results in this case. i'm troubled that -- that this was the only testimony that resulted in this conviction. >> we'll have the story of one man who says that science sent him to prison for a crime he didn't commit. we'll explain when "360" continues. i wouldn't do that. pay the check? no, i wouldn't use that single miles credit card. hey, aren't you... shhh. i'm researching a role. today's special... the capital one venture card. you earn double miles on every purchase. impressive. chalk is a lost medium. if you're not earning double miles...

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a deadly blast of winter weather is pummeling the rockies and central plains tonight.

the storm's being blamed for six deaths as it stretches from southeast colorado to northern texas. ten-foot high snowdrifts, winds up to 50 miles per hour, frigid temperatures part of the storm. got any holiday travel in the area? that's pretty much at a standstill. cnn meteorologist karen maginnis joins us from from atlanta with the latest. a huge storm, saw some of the images there, blizzard conditions from colorado to kansas. how is the storm looking now? >> this was a very fast-moving system and it is really raced all wait from the four corners region and now it's plowing on into the central mississippi river valley. it's taking with it a lot of the moisture and it's getting modified quite a bit. we're starting to see some of the thunderstorms erupt across the leading edge of the system. this is called the warm sector. on the northern edge of this, that's where we've seen the snowfall. it's moderated quite a bit. taking a look at the pictures, images out of kansas right around hayes, kansas, along

interstate 70 going into and out of colorado along interstate 25 as well and through wyoming. very difficult travel here. we did see blizzard conditions. some instances winds were gusting as high as 80 miles an hour. visibility was poorly reduced to in some cases near zero. i know for the holiday shoppers and the travelers, isn't just being on the interstate. it's folks trying to get to these airports. some of them are smaller airports like the yellowstone, cody, wyoming airport. some of the airports in colorado, like grand junction and denver. some of these airports could be impacted over the next several days primarily due to rainfall. >> it's cooling down a little bit, improving a little bit. any idea how long it's expected >> well, it's holding together. but as i mentioned, as it makes its way further towards the

east, it's moderating a bit. what we've seen lately have been thunderstorms. and they erupted over louisiana into quincy, louisiana. they had a tornado there and it was described as an ef-1, which is low on the fujita scale. it blew the roof off of this hospital. they did have patients in there. the roof landed on top of the cars. no one was injured. there was quite a bit of damage. the patients in the hospital, sanjay, moved to another facility and are being taken care of. >> being in a hospital where the roof literally blows off. glad to hear no one was injured. thanks for keeping on top of that. more happening tonight as well. isha ses say join united states us with a "360" bulletin. >> bloody day on the streets of syria. dozens protesters shot to death by syrian troops and police. the same groups called monday the deadliest day of the recent anti-government protests between 100 and 110 people killed.

former north korean leader kim jong-il's body went on display in the capital city of pyongyang. among the mourners kims son and successor, kim jong-un. both sent messages of condolences to the people of north korea. piers morgan testified into phone hacking. morgan appears by video link and denied ordering phone hacking. the news of the world shut down after it was discovered the paper hacked into the voice mails of a murdered teenager. nasa scientists are celebrating the discovery of two new planets. the planets mock the first discovery of planets close to earth in terms of size. i hate to break it to you, don't plan any trips. scientists say the planets are too close to their suns and too hot for human habitation. >> it's fascinating. the strangest names. i heard 800 degrees on these planets.

but it's the first time we found planets close in size to earth. stick around. coming up in "crime and punishment," a fascinating story about forensic science. a man in texas convicted of killing his wife. the testimony that put him in prison was about blood spatter at the scene. how reliable is that evidence? we'll take a close look at the case and why some people are suggesting junk science could have put an innocent man behind bars. also ahead a "360" follow. 12 charged with federal crimes in ohio. related to a string of attacks on amish people in which their beers and hair were forcibly cut off. that's coming up. . according to research, everybody likes more cash. well, almost everybody... ♪ would you like 50% more cash? no! but it's more money. [ male announcer ] the new capital one cash rewards card. the card for people who want 50% more cash.

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in "crime and punishment," a new series called junk science. if you've seen csi or detective shows you might know about blood spat, the science behind the pat rps that blood makes during a shooting or stabbing is interesting but how reliable is it? a report by the national academy of sciences in 2009 says when it comes to blood spatter analysis, to much is left open for interpretation. it shouldn't be the only thing that determines what happened at a crime scene. but in the case that we're looking at tonight, it was exactly what convinced a jury to find a man guilty of murder, a man who insists he's innocent. gary tuchman has the story. >> reporter: warren is in a texas prison, locks up since 199 after being convicted of murdering his wife bonnie by putting a .38 special to her chest and firing. did you shoot your wife? >> absolutely not, no. >> reporter: instead, a former

cop, claims fewer than 30 minutes after he and his wife returns to their home after a night where they both got drunk at a bar, she committed suicide. why would your wife shoot herself? >> i don't know. i didn't see it coming. >> reporter: total surprise to you? >> it was a total surprise. >> reporter: prisons are full of people who believe they're innocent, including warren. but what's much different about his situation is that the prosecutor who was assigned to deal with this case also thinks warren is innocent. so the prosecutor refused to prosecute and the case only went to trial because texas law allows private attorneys to pursue prosecutions. and bondny's parents wanted it pursued. one of the ft. worth crime scene investigators on the scene believes the case should not have been prosecuted. >> there's no question in my mine, bonnie took her on life that night. >> reporter: and then this man, the technical administrative dig or of the county medical's examiner's office. based on the evidence heard in the trial are you comfortable

saying that mr. hornanek is guilty of murder? >> i'm not, no. >> reporter: the star witness in the trial, tom bevill, an exbert in blood spatter evidence. >> ultimately i offered my opinion, truthfully and honestly. >> reporter: paid to testify by the priority attorneys appointed by the judge to prosecute the case. he analyzes the bloody t-shirt and in a report declares the blood spatter to the left side is from back spatter caused by discharge of the weapon. after the trial the foreman said bevel's tim is what convinces jury he was in the room at the time of the shooting. >> blood on his t shirts, blood on his knees where he's been kneeling in blood. >> that same pattern of blood on the t-shirt was caused by mr. horinek administering cpr to his dying wife.

>> having listened to the 911 tape, everything that i see particularly on his shirt and on his person is entirely consistent with his performing cpr on her. >> reporter: this is warren talking on that 911 tape. >> what's the problem, sir? >> my wife just shot herself. get over here now. >> we're on our way sir. >> reporter: the despatcher tells him to begin cpr. his wife, who was a ft. worth attorney, could be heard moaning. she was still alive. he does have a shady past. he admits once firing a gun in his bedroom while his wife was sleeping and he had a serious drinking problem which led to him quitting his job as a cop. is there a chance that maybe you shot her and you you don't remember it? >> no, not at all. >> reporter: how do you know? >> i wasn't that incapacitated. >> reporter: this forensic scientist also believes him. >> if the blood spatter didn't occur from the gunshots, then it would follow that he didn't shoot her. >> reporter: anita conducted a

test similar to what she's doing for us right now. she's one of several expert whosz reviewed the case after former crime scene investigator varnin brought it to their attention. in addition to the pig heart and blood, a deer sternum was added, so was latex material to simulate a woman's body, and clothing similar to what borny had on that night. the idea, to see what happens to the white t-shirt of the firearms expert when he fires the .38 special into the same spot in the chest where bonnie was shot. >> we don't have any actual blood spatter. we have some of the tissue on top of the deer sternum. which is more than we even got during the first -- >> reporter: is that blood spatter? >> let me take a look at your shirt.

>> no, these are all pieces of tissue. >> reporter: anita believes the blood came from the cpr. >> i'm troubled that -- that this was the only testimony that resulted in this conviction. >> reporter: in a 2009 report about forensic evidence, the national academy of sciences said, uncertainties associated with bloodstained pattern analysis are enormous. still, tom bevel is undeterred. is it possible the blood spatter came from him performing the cpr and her bleeding on him through breathing? >> again, the best explanation in my opinion that is it came from back spatter. could any of that, a spec or two, possibly be from cpr? >> reporter: my question is, could all have been from the cpr? >> in my opinion, no, sir. >> reporter: tom remains a sought after expert in criminal trials for prosecutors and defense attorneys.

warren still has 15 years left in his sentence. if tom bevel was in the room with you what would you say to him? >> why don't you correct your mistakes? >> reporter: despite that opinion, and the support he's gotten, warren's efforts to be paroled or to get a new trial have failed. gary tuchman, cnn, ft. worth, texas. >> it's just a fascinating story with lots of questions still. earlier i spoke about this case with cnn senior legal analyst jeffrey toobin and a forensic scientisting larry kobalinsky. >> doctor, let me start with this, this series was borne from the 2009 national academy of science report that essentially called for a complete overhaul of forensic science practices. i'm shore you saw the report. i wonder what you made of it. essentially seemed to conclude forensic science had a junk science quality about it. >> the fact is we're living in an era of dna technology and

that's considered the gold standard for forensic evidence. what's happened that is people are now comparing all of the other kinds of science within forensics to dna, and it just doesn't live up to that same standard. the purpose of this report is to generate more funding to do more research, to make sure that any kind of evidence that gets to the court is reliable evidence. >> and it seem like dna has raises the bar. jeff, you heard the story, i'm sure, with mr. warren horinek. given the discrepancies with blood spatter analysis, should blood spatter evidence be relied on solely to determine guilt or innocence? >> it's in the only evidence i can't think of a good reason. as dr. k. said, dna really showed what science can do in a courtroom. but in the process, it shows how bad so many of the or so-called scientific tests are.

dna can tell you within a percentage certainty there is a match between, you know, the test sample and the scene -- the test at a crime scene. none of these other technologies have that kind of validation studies behind it. without those validation studies, you have an enormous possibility of misleading jurors about how good this science is because mostly it's not very good. >> i mean, dr. k., if i may call you that as well as jeff did. >> sure. >> so they felt the blood spatter could have been from a gunshot wound or from cpr. i mean that sounds like a pretty inexact sort of thing. is it an exact science to look at blood spatter? both the former crime scene investigator and the m.e. director disagreed with the blood spatter findings yes he's imprisoned for 30 years. >> oddly enough, blood spatter analysis is based on the laws of physics.

looking at the size of the droplets and the symmetry of these drop lets and then trying to develop an understanding how the drop lets got on the surface to which they were observed. the question is not whether the evidence is lying, physical evidence doesn't lie. >> right. >> it's a matter of the interpretation. has the analyst interpreted properly? i think gunshot residue, for example, leaves a very fine mist, very teeny particles that don't travel very far whereas in cpr, of course, because blood is being pushed out of a small space it does form a mist as well. so, you can be very easily fooled by the pattern and so the testimony has to be very conservative in what it says. in that case i would say that blood spatter evidence is fine. >> and, jeff, i think as you allowed to, you would like to have all kinds of evidence. from a legal standpoint, can we still rely on this type of blood spatter analysis?

>> boy, i'm awfully skeptical. i don't know if i want to make a categorical statement you can never rely on it but your jurors have all watched "csi" people talk about the csi effect. they say jurors want to see the scientific tests and it's good because science is often reliable. the problem is after watching "csi" they think it's all as good as dna and it's not all as good as dna. >> doctor, csi, add tech dexter to the list, bones as well what do you think of the shows as a forensic scientist what does it to the whole system? >> it's terrific for us at universities and colleges because there's a lot of interest on the part of students in our programs. on the other hand, if you're talking about jurors that have watched these kinds of programs, they certainly have high expectations and hold the prosecutors to those high

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counting down the top ten ridiculist of 2011. based on your votes, tonight, number 9. a cat that look like someone we know. here's anderson. >> time for the ri. we're adding this cat who thinks he looks like me. we saw this -- it does look like me. we saw this on a blog called totallylookslike.com. yes, i'm going after defenseless animal on the ridiculist. consider yourself on notice. back with you cat with a lot of neb, i don't know where you're from, where you're unaware of my steely, blue eyes but you and i have nothing in common. yes, i once peeed on the floor. isn't it convenient, interesting timing with the ramp-up in publicity for my upcoming daytime talk show or checkance andersoncooper.com.

we're nothing alike. ask my staff. i'm not aloof on the days that i allow them to make eye contact. cat, don't think that i don't know there's a whole group of wannabes, a lot of coverage, vibe.com, new york "daily news." well done, cat. spread the word to your friends i'm on to our scam. i spotted this al peca. let's be honest, it looks like it might be a freak in the barn, if you know what i'm saying. the horse, you know the one i mean, the one who looks like actor and noted donald trump political supporter gary busey. nominated for an academy award in the late '70s and recently on a reality show with star jones and na naked guy from "survivor." eric stonestreet. frankly he and that dog should be doing those depressing commercials. watch out, sarah mclaughlin, your days making us feeling guilty might be numbered. i'm on to your scam.

i've seen it here on cnn. perhaps the most famous animal celebrity combination -- sorry. let's see that again. it make me giggle every time. the most famous animal celebrity combination of them all, larry king. and this monkey. curious george, you're on with bill maher. what's your question? the monkey for the hour. more uncanny resemblance. i don't know who's who. speaking of 9:00 p.m. host on cnn, there's piers morgan who resembles, well, never mine. cat, i don't know what you say, if i haven't gone through -- i don't know what to say. if i haven't gotten through to you now, watch your step. you and your posse don't want to anger me and for sure don't want to anger will ford brimly. enyour your first