Skip to main content

tv   State of the Union  CNN  December 25, 2011 9:00am-10:00am EST

9:00 am
i have grown a lot. but now my education and my growth just has to continue at another three better network. thank you so much for supporting me, and as always, i appreciate you. congress limbs out of town with an 11% approval rating, and the president jets off to vacation with 49% approval. next stop, 2012. today, congressional gridlock, tea party politics and the new north korea with republican senator dick lugar. iowa 2012 with our political panel, "the hill's" a.b. stored dard and ron brownstein. then, condoleezza rice on iraq and her relationship with dick cheney. >> i think the vice president was disappointed that in the second term we did a number of
9:01 am
things with which he didn't agree. and the best of our getting to know series. >> i didn't want to be a nun and i didn't want to be a congresswoman. i'm candy crowley and this is "state of the union." the politics of the battle over the extension of the payroll tax goes something like this -- the president won, republicans lost. >> may not have been the politically smartest thing in the world but let me tell you what -- i think our members waged a good fight. we were able to come to an agreement. >> some democrats suggest the payroll tax cut battle was a turning point for the president they feared had lost his spine, his magic and his chance for re-election. republicans worry their tea party wing which wanted to fight this one out has become a weight. earlier i spoke to one of the longest serving republicans in the senate, dick lugar of indiana, who faces a tea party challenge in his re-election bid. let me talk a little bit about this new deal that has been made
9:02 am
for a two-month extension of the payroll tax cut. here's something that kevin brady, who is a congressman from texas, had to say. "in the end, house republicans felt like they were re-enacting the alamo with no reinforcements and our friends shooting at us." you were among the friends shooting at the house, saying pass this two-month thing, we need it done. do you feel as though you undercut particularly house tea party members who wanted to have this fight? >> no, i don't think so. i think that mitch mcconnell, our senate leader, offered an avenue of approach that said this is a serious business, we ought to talk about a year solution, but this is not likely to be resolved in the next few days. in the meanwhile, wage earners all over america will see the tax holiday go, quite apart from those who are unemployed, on
9:03 am
unemployment compensation, or the doctors in medicare. in other words, the implications of this. so why don't we as a matter of fact talk for a period of time but do so after the first of january. >> most people say, good heavens. you've been talking about this for months and nothing got resolved. in fact, there's about a three our four-week discussion where nobody could come together on anything other than a two-month temporary fix. what makes you think at the end of february you can get some kind of deal going? >> i think it will be very difficult. just as the committee of 12 found it was very difficult, even if the objective was to reduce the deficits and the problems of our balance payments. we just simply fine this difficult to do in this context. but not impossible. now one factor that led the senate to come to a conclusion was the keystone pipeline.
9:04 am
i offered legislation -- >> which is, just for our viewers, the pipeline from canada down to texas that would be built through indiana, among other places, should create some jobs as they build it -- >> 20,000 new jobs, $6.5 billion invested by the canadians, and much more oil independence for the united states. a real winner. but president obama, because of environmentalists surrounding the white house, apparently, literally said we don't do anything until 2013. i said that's unsatisfactory. you've got to make a decision in the next 60 days. and we attached that then to this holiday tax holiday. well, that did light up some republicans who said, by golly, we do need to do this. and as a matter of fact, democrats said we need it, too. in other words, there are ways sometimes where the thing that's insoluble but that you inject other elements and they're good for the country. >> let me ask you though about the pipeline, just a quick
9:05 am
question. there is concern that a lot of this oil though -- sounds to me, oh, good, we'd be more oil independent -- but a lot of it will get shipped overseas. is there a legislative fix for that? do you worry about that? >> no, i don't worry about it. as a matter of fact, we're already sending refined oil overseas and we are getting a balance -- >> one of the selling points is independence seems counterproductive of the sending it then overseas. >> not exact lip. because we still have the canadian oil. it is our option as to whether we need it in the united states or whether we can make a sale in terms of our balance of payments. the other ops is the canadians will ship it to china. we won't have that option. we're back into the stew again. >> let me switch to politics. you have, among other challenges, a tea party candidate that would go into the primary and to be the u.s. senator from indiana. what do you think in general of
9:06 am
the tea party and its effect first on legislation and its effect on politics? >> well, the tea party groups have been very effective. in indiana, they are separate groups usually by community, as opposed to one large situation. they are very conservative republicans. they believe in less government spending, less government, period. and they are hopeful of finding candidates who are going to be on that ticket. >> they think that's not you. >> well, i would say to them respectfully, it is me, that i have a very conservative voting record over the course of the time i've served. i'm certainly unique i think in the senate of having been a farmer, a small businessman, a naval officer, a mayor, a school board member -- these are grassroots functions -- >> do you think this is something you should have to be selling to republicans in indiana -- i know it's probably not your preference, but you've
9:07 am
been in congress more than 30 years, and something has changed in the atmospherics, i think, of politics that makes you what i think it was the "washington times" called you one of the most vulnerable republicans. how did that happen? >> well, i'm not certain i'm most vulnerable. i'm not certain it's happened. in other words, i would just say that our campaign has already enlisted hundreds of volunteers from all the backgrounds that i've talked about. we've made 517,000 calls already just to the spectrum of people who might vote in the republican primary. they put about $4 million in the bank for me. i have done very good fund-raising at the grassroots level. i have visited with many tea party groups. they've not pledged support, but they understand my position, and some even are going to be voting for me. the point i'm trying to make is that i think it is useful to understand a republican majority in the senate is very important. and republicans who are running for re-election ought to be
9:08 am
supported by people who want to see that majority. and so i think the majority of tea party people understand that, too. >> just so i know what you mean, is you think that you have the best chance of keeping this seat republican and that's what you're -- >> yes, no doubt from all of our polling and understanding that that is the case, and that as a matter of fact, if i was not the nominee, it might be lost. that i think is important, whether it is tea party or anybody else to understand, because republicans lost the seat before in nevada and new jersey, for example, and colorado. there were people who claim that they wanted somebody who was more of their tea party aspect, but in doing so they killed off the republican chances for majority. this is one of the reasons we have a minority in the senate right now. >> senator lugar, stand by here. coming up -- the future of north korea. has the death of kim jong-il
9:09 am
changed anything. our conversation with senator lugar continues. capital one's new cash rewards card gives you a 50 percent annual bonus. so you earn 50 percent more cash. if you're not satisfied with 50% more cash, send it back! i'll be right here, waiting for it. who wouldn't want more cash? [ insects chirping ] i'll take it. i'll make it rain up in here. [ male announcer ] the new capital one cash rewards card. the card for people who want 50% more cash. what's in your wallet? sorry i'll clean this up. shouldn't have made it rain.
9:10 am
fantastic! [ man ] pro-gresso they fit! okay-y... okay??? i've been eating progresso and now my favorite old jeans...fit. okay is there a woman i can talk to? [ male announcer ] progresso. 40 soups 100 calories or less.
9:11 am
9:12 am
we are back with republican senator dick lugar. senator, i want to play you something from congressman ron paul, who as you know is a member of the republican party and is currently leading in the polls in iowa. this is specifically on foreign policy. >> i think we concentrate too much on the borders between afghanistan and pakistan than we do on our own borders. i think it is time we worry about our own borders. >> every year we spend more and more money overseas. we spend it on foreign aid, intervention, propping up dictators, fighting wars that we don't need to be fighting, and they drain these reserves funds. there's no authority in the constitution to be the policemen of the world and no nation building. >> is that a republican party
9:13 am
message? >> well, it is one republican's message. >> is that the bulk of the republican party message do you think? >> no, of course not. and it is not a message which really a president of the united states could ever afford to extend. in other words, we're a party and a president of leadership, leadership in the world. we have a fleet that covers all the seas. as a matter of fact, makes foreign trade possible, trade of all sorts. we're the only country that can go everywhere all over the world and that's indispensable to our own lives as well as to our own interests. these are very, very important parts of our national strength and they involve foreign policy. they involve armed forces. and a combination of these. now some presidents are more skillful than others in utilizing these. some congress is maybe more skillful in determining which conflicts or what kind of aid we ought to have. but still, to roundly condemn
9:14 am
foreign aid or the fact that we are concerned about borders in afghanistan and pakistan and what have you seems to me is really uncalled for. >> before we leave politics, are you a romney guy? >> i've not made a commitment to any of the candidates. you leaning one way or the other? >> i favored mitch daniels, the governor of indiana. >> that's well done. he says no. >> i understand. but nevertheless, i think woe have been a great president. >> let me move you on because so much has happened. first of all, the death of kim jong-il. president of north korea. what does that mean for the u.s.? make that important to a viewer. >> it means that we're going to have a different relationship, probably, with china. it all depends. and the chinese will have to make a determination whether they are going to treat north korea as a province of china or whether as a matter of fact
9:15 am
they're going to be be concerned about the drain upon their own resources, the potential really of north koreans crossing the border. the same with the south koreans. the chinese policy has been to keep two koreas. but at the same time, if this doesn't work out for them, we may have a difference in which north koreans want to come into south korea. in any event, north korea is a dramatically difficult state because of the deficit, the economy, quite a part of the transition of leadership. >> what worries but this transitional period? what do you fear most while we try to figure out and while they try to figure out really what's going on in north korea? >> that something might happen to their nuclear material or their nuclear weapons, the loose nuke problem. some in the country might try to sell this to others because of the economic crisis that they ha
9:16 am
have. >> is there anything we can do about it. >> well we better be. that would be one of the missions i'd be most concerned about, what precisely happens with regard to the nuclear element while we're trying to negotiate with them to get rid of all of it. now if you ask me what the worst thing is that can occur -- it is the chaos of anarchy in north korea. it is the same thing on a smaller level trying to track down man pad missiles in libya. we better do better. all of us are in jeopardy. anybody that flies an aircraft anywhere in the world with a man pad situation. >> finally, let me ask you quickly about iraq. since the u.s. left there have been numerous bomb blasts particularly in the baghdad area. do you think al maliki is capable of keeping this country together? do you fear that it falls apart and under iranian influence? >> i don't think it will fall apart but i fear there will be continued clashes between
9:17 am
shiites and sunnis and that the kurds in the northern parts will be less and less affiliated with the other two. that is not good news for iraq, it is not good news for the whole neighborhood. we don't know what the ties might be with iran, for example. quite apart from other fallout that may come from this. so for the moment we're hopeful that the maliki government will hold together. they were duly elected, free and fair elections. but democracy doesn't always bring about a situation of people that know how to govern the country or who have given up the old wars between the shiites and sunnis. >> in fact the shiites and sunnis in conflict is kind of where we started during this war, didn't we? and the kurds -- >> it's been going on for decades. >> that's one thing that hasn't changed. but we are out. senator richard lugar, we wish you a merry christmas, happy new year. thank you so much for joining us. after the break our political panel prepares us for
9:18 am
some chilly iowa state politics. stay tuned. not just with my savings plan here at work. they help me with all of my financial goals. looking good, irene. thanks to fidelity, i can stay on top of my financial future, huh? good one. why, thank you. whether it's saving for retirement, college, or anything else, contact a fidelity investment professional today. it's good. honey, i love you...
9:19 am
oh my gosh, oh my gosh.. look at these big pieces of potato. ♪ what's that? big piece of potato. [ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste this soup. is the pain reliever orthopedic doctors recommend most for arthritis pain, think again. and take aleve. it's the one doctors recommend most for arthritis pain... two pills can last all day. ♪
9:20 am
9:21 am
here to prepare us for the upcoming campaign year, a.b. stoddard, columnist for "the hill" newspaper, and ron brownstein, cnn senior political analyst and editorial director of the national journal group.
9:22 am
i'm getting excited now, because the polls are so -- a little bit everywhere in iowa. so much so that i want to play you something newt gingrich said a little earlier in the week. >> my goal is to be in the top three or four and you can't tell because it is very bunched right now and the sheer weight of money. to be in the top three or four -- i'd love to win, but to be in the top three or four -- >> is the top three or four good enough tore newt gingrich in iowa? >> i done think so. he has to build momentum to get money behind him and get bodies on the ground for the early states that follow. new hampshire is not really going to be his state. he needs to have a strong showing in south carolina and he needs the boost from iowa. right now if ron paul were to win and gingrich were to come in second he could call that a win. write off ron paul. but three or four is not going to do it. he needs to consolidate the anti-romney vote. he needs every vote he loses to michelle bae bachmann or ron pa
9:23 am
rick santorum really slows him down in the long run. >> i agree. since south carolina moved up its primary in 1980 every contested republican race has followed the same pattern. one candidate won iowa, a different candidate won new hampshire. one of the two won south carolina and that person wins the nomination. >> the fire wall. >> the fire wall. if gingrich or rick perry or michele bachmann or someone with the potential to grow beyond the kind of niche that ron paul has, if one of those don't win iowa, given romney's strength in new hampshire, anybody else in the field could be looking at a very uphill climb. that has been the pattern. you need 1 of those 2 to get the launch to carry you forward. >> i was going to say, a lot of columnists and articles say this could be a really long campaign for the gop. it could be like the democrats last time will be in june still deciding. i think boy, if mitt romney pulls off a surprise in iowa and new hampshire, isn't it kind of done? >> it probably is. ron is probably right, then he
9:24 am
could win south carolina and move on and be done but he is prepared for the long race, not only organizationally but he has the money. he also knows that the rules changes have provided for a longer campaign this time. by the end of february, fewer than 20% of the delegates will have been allotted. this is going to be a long fight. if gingrich has a great january, mitt romney can still hang on in this fight. >> no one has won in the republican race iowa and new hampshire since gerald ford in '76. iowa's so socially conservative, new hampshire more libertarian, more upscale. but if iowa does not -- if iowa does not provide a boost to someone who has a broader potential than paul, as i said, it is a very difficult situation for anyone to overcome romney. it is ironic, romney only won 20% of iowa evangelicals in 2008. he probably is not going to do much better this time. but if they don't coalesce behind a candidate who really has the capacity to stop him,
9:25 am
they may in fact give him the pathway to the nomination if they continue to fragment. >> seems to me one of the strange things about this, what you are saying in a nutshell, a ron paul win in iowa is great for romney. >> i think it is. ron paul has a floor and he has a ceiling. and the two look very much alike. there's a little space between them but there is a limit on how much he can grow. and i think unless iowa propels forward one or the other candidates who does have the potential to build a broader coalition, and what we saw with newt gingrich when he was doing well, he was attracting both wings, the tea party and the more pragmatic side. but if somebody like that can't get a launch, you have to go into south carolina without winning iowa and new hampshire and make a stand there and beat romney at that point. >> if a candidate coming out of iowa is not in the top three, which of those candidates are done? santorum? >> oh, yes, i think so.
9:26 am
and i think michele bachmann probably as well. i don't rick perry's going to do well in iowa. it is i think really his final curtain call. he has to come in and do well. i think it is really going to come down to a gingrich-romney race but i think that ron's right -- it is so muddled that any strong showing by ron paul weakens gingrich and just helps mitt romney. >> we should add that polls don't necessarily tell us what's going to happen on caucus night. it is really hard to translate a poll into a caucus. >> real quick. given the prevalence of evangelicals in south carolina, 60% of the electorate in '08, same in iowa, it is likely perry, bachmann and santorum, even if they do poorly in iowa, will stri to struggle on. i once compared the candidates to bruce willis in the sixth sense -- they're debt but they're only one who doesn't know it. they just kind of keep going through the motions in south carolina. i think we'd see that but it is
9:27 am
unlikely to have any impact. >> any surprises? >> i think rick santorum could surprise. he's put in the work on the ground. he would be my guess for a surprise. voters -- socially conservative voters who appreciate the very influential conservative leader who gave him a boost by endorsing him. i think rick santorum -- >> he's trying to get everybody else out of the race -- >> the surprise in iowa will be in the big evangelical socially conservative bloc that's dubious of romney can consolidate to a greater extent than now. if they don't they have the risk of elevating the candidate they are most skeptical about. >> but in iowa, that could happen. because there is the number one and number two. then you see your candidate's not going to win -- >> not on the republican side. the republican side is a straw poll. >> oh, that's right! that's. >> but you have that phenomenon really going on in this last two weeks i think. i think people will be looking
9:28 am
in the mirror and saying do we want to do this. because they do have the potential to really make this a lot easier for romney if they don't consolidate behind one candidate who has a realistic chance of building a broad enough coalition to stop him. >> let me broaden out the subject to whoever is going to run against president obama. a new cnn/orc poll out this week, registered voters' choice in 2012 pitting president obama against mitt romney. 52% barack obama. 45% mitt romney. outside -- 45% -- that's a seven-point difference. and the exact same difference when you pit barack obama against ron paul. you and i had the same reaction to this poll, it almost doesn't matter that ron paul and mitt romney appear to have the same chance. what matters is where the president is. >> look, this is the best scenario for the president. this poll is a replay of 2008 where he was at 52.8% of the
9:29 am
vote, most since any democrat and jan so johnson in '64. the approval rating is probably the best indicator of where a president stands. generally he's been stuck around 45% or 46% which represents a very tough race. but he has seen an uptick. he's moves closer to 49%. if he can stay in that range then he is in a much stronger position. the question is whether he gets enough economic growth to hover around 50% or whether dissatisfaction pushes him down a little bit and makes this much tougher. >> we are now seeing some democrats thinking that the battle over the payroll tax deduction was a turning point. they see that as a -- like when newt gingrich -- sort of like the shutdown of the government in '96. this is where the president and the democrats turned it around and everything's going to be great. >> well first of all, obviously he's going to be running for re-election, president obama is, in a terrible economy and he's
9:30 am
trying to break with history to get re-elected. in the unemployment we expect next august, september, october, november. the democrats are right, this could be the beginning. if john boehner and his house republicans continue a record of brinksmanship and chaos and not a record of governing throughout 2012, they are correct, this could be the beginning of when the tide turns. the president has won his base back. that's why his numbers are coming back. but if mitt romney is the nominee and runs against the congressional republicans in washington and the do-nothing dysfunction and the economy's in the tank, still hard for president obama to hold that over 50%. >> bill clinton in '96 had the tailwind of an improving economy. he got over 50% of approval after that shutdown. never went below it, never trailed bob dole. >> ron brownstein, a.b. stoddard, thanks so much for stopping by. happy new year, merry christmas. >> see you next week. >> yes, you will. next week. when we come back, condoleezza rice reflects on the bush legacy in iraq.
9:31 am
who is she? that's flobot. she's this new robot we're trying out, mostly for, like, small stuff. wow! look at her go! she's pretty good. she's pretty good. hey, flobot, great job. oops. [ powers down ] uh-oh, flobot is broken. the "name your price" tool, only from progressive. call or click today.
9:32 am
9:33 am
9:34 am
it is over, and after almost more than nine years, we know the cost to iraq. nearly 4,500 u.s. military deaths, more than 32,000 u.s. wounded, and 100,000 iraqi military and civilian deaths.
9:35 am
$800 billion-plus, and still counting. now with american troops out and violence in iraq up, what we don't know is whether the u.s. ever should have gone there in the first place. do not look for second-guessing on that point within the bush administration. former secretary of state condoleezza rice was on book tour recently. when we sat down to discuss iraq policy and the people who made it. let me ask you, there's so much frustration i think among reporters and the public, some of the public, that when a former bush administration official comes out, there's nothing that they see that was done that they think was the wrong thing to do, or maybe it was for a reason that didn't exist with saddam hussein, but it was still a good war to conduct and et cetera, et cetera. so let me ask you a broader question. because i know you won't come off that point -- you did what you thought was right at the time and you haven't changed it and i understand that. the question i think though is if you look back, would you like a do-over on anything? >> oh, i'd love do-overs on
9:36 am
several things. but iraq i would like to look differently at how we tried to rebuild the country. overthrow of saddam was done brilliant will you but i don't think we thought enough about how to rebuild the tribal networks and ultimately there weren't enough troops there which is why the surge wasn't important. interestingly, the thing i'd most like to do over is some of the aspects of the relationship with mexico. i think one of the casualties of the preoccupation that was a necessary preoccupation after 9/11 on securing ourselves and afghanistan and iraq, the relationship with mexico which had great promise given the two governors, vicente fox and george w. bush who came to power together to do something maybe earlier about the terrible border troubles that we now know are in mexico with the drug
9:37 am
cartels, to do something about immigration reform. it was 2007 when we finally got to immigration reform. jon kyl, john mccain, teddy kennedy, george bush wanted a bill. they couldn't get it through. i think immigration reform is still one of our really great problems and now the states are doing a patchwork of immigration laws. so that's probably the one i'd do over most quickly, if i could. >> has there ever been a night -- is there a night now -- i know i don't have to tell you how many americans have been killed in the iraq invasion, in the afghanistan effort. hundreds of billions of dollars. so many young men and women coming back either physically or mentally challenged. do you ever think, i don't know -- was it worth it? did we get enough for what we gave? >> well, clearly one never gets over the lives that are lost and the lives that were changed.
9:38 am
and i talk about that some in the book. but nothing of value's ever won without sacrifice either and from the day that you walk into a course of international politics you are told the middle east is the most volatile region in the world. and saddam hussein was a cancer in that most volatile region. he was -- >> but it is still volatile and he's been gone for ten years. >> it's volatile but it doesn't have us sitting here, candy, talking about an arms race between ahmadinejad's iran and saddam's iraq. >> no. we're just talking about iran having a nuclear bomb. >> no, but just imagine if iran were moving towards its nuclear weapon and saddam hussein with all that infrastructure in place and his insatiable desire to have weapons of mass destruction, i think we would be talking about a very different situation in the middle east. >> you know, i think what i'm trying to get to here -- and i know you've heard it and felt it at least -- is that there was always the feeling among the critics of the bush administration and the policy of
9:39 am
the bush administration in iraq in particular that you all were just so convinced we should go do this that you didn't care about what the price was going to be -- >> well that's simply not true, candy. anybody who is the president of the united states does not want to send men and women into war. >> it was a high price, you would agree with that. >> we paid a high price. but when you have a security threat -- and saddam hussein had been a stuart threat since the late '80s. we went to war against him in '91. we tried contain him. containment was breaking down including in the oil-for-food program which was the scandal that was helping him. we didn't see another option. i write in the book about other things we tried. egyptian said he'll take $1 billion to leave. the president said done. now that would have been another problem but we were prepared to do it. we tried to kill him at dora farms the night before the war begran to prevent a war.
9:40 am
so the idea that somehow people want to go to war is, frankly, insulting. and so you go to war when you think that there is a security threat that is materializing, when you've had the experience of 9/11 where you let a security threat materialize in afghanistan that then came back to haunt you? that's why we went to war. and i believe that iraq is a better place without saddam hussein and the middle east is a better place. >> let me just ask you a couple personnel questions, personal personnel questions. you've had well documented disagreements with both vice president cheney and secretary of defense rumsfeld. it is interesting to me that in the book, and in all the interviews you've done since, you don't ever look at this and think it might have been a gender problem or a race problem. you h you honestly think that they weren't dismissing you in any way because of race or againer. you think this was a flat-out policy -- >> well remember, i had worked
9:41 am
with both of these people before. don rumsfeld had been a major champion of my career. i had worked with dick cheney when he was defense secretary and i was on the national security council. i would say when i was national security advisor it is a position in which are you coordinating, putting forward the honest views of another is the president can decide. when i was secretary of state i carried a different kind of weight. i had no trouble playing that role because i was female and black. i'd been the same female and black person as national security advisor. and so if you do the controlled experiment, i don't think race and gender are much of an explanation here. i think what you are dealing with is people with strong views with differences, policy differences, not personal ones. and to the degree that when people are under pressure, personalities are a little bit more than they otherwise might be. maybe there was a little bit of that, too. >> you have described donald rumsfeld, the former defense
9:42 am
secretary, as a grumpy friend. how would you describe your relationship with vice president cheney? >> well, i think it was respectful. we disagreed but were able to disagree in a respectful way. i think the vice president was disappointed that in the sect term we did a number of things with which he didn't agree. the president decided to really give diplomacy an all-out try. yes, sometimes you don't win in using the diplomacy in that way, but, for instance on north korea, we didn't really have a military option with north korea. we needed the chinese and the south koreans and the russians and the japanese and so diplomacy was the course that we chose. i think the vice president didn't always agree. >> coming up -- childhood dreams, catfish noodling, and elvis. the other side of some of our bigge egest newsmakers next. yoe for granted.
9:43 am
and you rent from national. because only national lets you choose any car in the aisle. and go. you can even take a full-size or above. and still pay the mid-size price. i deserve this. [ male announcer ] you do, business pro. you do. go national. go like a pro. [ male announcer ] you do, business pro. you do. ♪ when the things that you need come at just the right speed, that's logistics. ♪ ♪ medicine that can't wait legal briefs there by eight, that's logistics. ♪ ♪ freight for you, box for me box that keeps you healthy, that's logistics. ♪ ♪ saving time, cutting stress, when you use ups that's logistics. ♪ not quite knowing what the next phase was going to be, you know, because you been, you know, this is what you had been doing. you know, working, working, working,
9:44 am
working, working, working. and now you're talking about, well you know, i won't be, and i get the chance to spend more time with my wife and my kids. it's my world. that's my world. ♪ to be honest, it's one of
9:45 am
our favorite things on the "state of the union" website. a time for newsmakers to get personal, a place for you to learn more about the people who come into your living room every sunday morning.
9:46 am
9:47 am
9:48 am
i enjoyed meeting with him. >> when elvis was coming to the houston rodeo, i asked my news director to cover elvis paubeca
9:49 am
i just thought that was the greatest thing that i could ever cover. and i got to do it. >> you met elvis when you both were serving in the military. >> 1959. he was a sergeant in the third armored division, i was a lieutenant in the third armored division. i got to "meet the presmeet him once or twice. he was an average soldier, was drafted. he was seen as an excellent soldier. >> he was already a big deal -- >> a big deal. he was at the height of his success when he was drafted. he went and he did his two years. he did very well when he wasn't in the barracks, i might add, in germany. then he came back and took up his career again and became even more famous. >> did he ever sing for you? >> no. >> thought i'd ask. when we come back, more snippet was our "getting to know" series, including what gave a genuine civil rights hero the strength to keep fighting. i wouldn't do that. get married?
9:50 am
no, i wouldn't use that single miles credit card. nice ring. knock it off. ignore him. with the capital one venture card you earn... double miles on every purchase. [ sharon ] 3d is so real larry. i'm right here larry. if you're not earning double miles... you're settling for half. really? a plaid tie? what, are we in prep school? [ male announcer ] get the venture card at capitalone.com and earn double miles on every purchase every day. what's in your wallet? i was gonna say that. uh huh...
9:51 am
look for the healing seal. gold bond medicated lotion. stop itching. start healing. lots of the stories we hear wow us with their power. some prominent newsmakers share experiences that reminded us of how recent and personal the strug will for equality was -- struggle for equality was.
9:52 am
we read that you cut your own hair. >> yes. >> is that still true? >> candy, that is still true. it goes back to when i first started working for the department of the navy as a ballistics analyst. i drove to fredericksburg, virginia, found the barber shop. went into the barber shop. they had all plaque bablack bar. i'm going, eureka. i sat there because in the south the tradition is wait until the barber says "next." it was first come, first serve. i sat there and sat there, and they kept calling the other customers who were white. finally i walked up to one of the barbers and said, excuse me, wasn't i next? he said, i'm sorry, but we don't cut black hair in here. i said, you have all black barbers. if we cut your hair, we will not have a a job. i said, okay. i'm in fredericksburg, virginia. and that was a black barber shop
9:53 am
on the other side of the tracks, past sears and row buck. i went to sears and roebuck, bought me a set of clippers, and i have been cutting my own hair since. >> my dad went to vote with my mother. they were not yet married. they went to vote. my mother was fair skinned, very pretty. and there was something called a poll test in those days. the poll testers said, so who, who's the first president of the united states. my mother said, george washington. he said, fine, you can vote. then he turned to my father, big man, dark skinned. he said, how many beans are in this jar. and it was obviously impossible to count. so my father went back to talk to an old man in his church. and he said, oh, reverend, don't worry. i'll show you how to get registered. he said, there's a clerk down there, she's a republican. and she's trying to build the party. and she will register anybody had will say they're a republican. this was in the days of very few republicans in the south.
9:54 am
>> in the south. >> so he went down. she registered him. he never forgot it, became a member of the grand old party and stayed -- >> here you are. >> here i am. here i am. >> during your time as a civil rights leader, i thought this was a great question, you were beaten, you received death threat. wh -- threats. what kept you going? was there a moment when you thought this is too much for one person to bear? >> i think part of my reason for keeping moving is my faith in the future. it's going to get better. it's all going to work out. i never, ever thought about giving up or quitting or -- i couldn't do that. it's not part of me. not part of my dna that i feel like i must continue to be in the arena, to be there, to be pushing. and to try to inspire other young people. >> put us down as inspired.
9:55 am
enjoy your christmas day, and happy holidays to everyone from all of us at "state of the union." i'm candy crowley in washington. next week we'll be live from iowa to give you an in-depth preview of the january 3 caucuses. up next for our viewers in the united states, a check of the top stories and then "fareed zakaria gps." why did we build a 556 horsepower luxury car with a manual transmission? because there are those who still believe in the power of a firm handshake. the cadillac cts-v. manual or automatic, that's entirely up to you. we don't just make luxury cars, we make cadillacs.
9:56 am
but my nose is still runny. [ male announcer ] truth is, dayquil doesn't treat that. really? [ male announcer ] alka-seltzer plus fights your worst cold symptoms, plus it relieves your runny nose. [ deep breath] awesome. [ male announcer ] yes, it is. that's the cold truth! quaker oatmeal is a super grain. ♪ it gives me warmth. ♪ [ boy ] it gives me energy to help me be my best. quaker oatmeal has whole grains for heart health. and it has fiber that helps fill me up. ♪ [ male announcer ] great days start with quaker oatmeal. energy. fiber. heart health. quaker oatmeal. a super grain breakfast.
9:57 am
9:58 am
9:59 am
i'm at the cnn world headquarters in atlanta. merry christmas. here are your top stories this hour -- two christian churches in two cities in nigeria bombed during holiday worship services. 19 reported dead, many others injured. nigerian state television reports that four people have been arrested where unexploded devices were recovered. christmas celebrations are being held all over the world. in rome, pope benedict xvi presided over the traditional midnight mass. in a message to catholics, he asked them to remember the essence of the christmas rather than the commercial holiday it's become. a question on everyone's mind this time of year -- should you say merry christmas or happy holidays? a new poll asked americans just that. and it found that 2/3 of americans would rather say merry christmas tha