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hours after his first concussion, 16-year-old jaquann waller died. jaquan waller died. tonight the fighter battles off the mean sfreets of boston. >> as soon as i was incarcerated, i said this was not lift for me. he's a sex symbol and promises his wife no sex scenes. this is pooez morgan tonight. >> he was a tough kid on the
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mean streets of boston with the net worth of $150 million. he's been a rapper with a platinum album and an underwear model and actor and producer. my favorite move spree is "boogie nights." he joins me now. i see you raising your eyebrows at the estimated net worth. did we get it too low? >> no. my gosh. >> piers: are the figures true that you read about? >> not usually, unless it's a divorce settlement. >> piers: your movies glossed $1.5 billion so you're not exactly on the bread line, are you? >> no, no. i'm very fortunate and blessed. thank you. >> piers: you said when you got to 40, you would retire and play golf. what happened? you're 40. >> my golf game is crap. it really is. it's bad. you know, i -- i was just working at such a pace that i really felt like i need to figure out ways to spend more
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time with my family. being off on location on is very difficult. 50 is the new 40. talk to me in 10 years. >> how did you feel turning 40? when i remember you as markey mark and storming europe and britain and your brother and new kids and so on, i remember those years very vividly sxrorted on them for british newspapers. you've come a long way. that's 20 years ago. >> i've been very fortunate. i had no desire to be in the movies whatsoever. i was offered a couple roles that turned me off on the idea of making movies and i met penny marshall and she changed everything for me. after i made that first movie, i didn't want to do anything else. >> piers: looking at you now, it's hard to remember the rapper markey mark. there you are in your very emack late suit, the executive haircut, it's all looking pretty grown-up, if you don't mind me saying. >> i have a large team that made me over. i've just grown up.
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i've been very fortunate. >> piers: you feel you have? >> yes, and certainly parenthood and being a husband forces you to. >> piers: you had an extraordinary upbringing. i actually went to dorchester once. >> you made it back? >> piers: i made it back. it felt like tough streets. you've been honest and open about those days. when you look back on it, how tough was it in reality, do you think? >> it depends. i always wanted to be one of the guys, so in order to be one of the guys and have that respect, you had to do things that were a little more dangerous. as soon as i ended up being incarcerated, i said this is not the life for me. >> piers: i heard you say there was a sense of inevitably about that. three of your brothers went to prison, your sister was in and out of prison. you felt like this was going to happen and be part of your life. >> when i arrived, i thought i was with those guys i always wanted to be like and that i look up to. i realized that i had this false
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idea of what was cool and important. the guys i should is focused on and looking up to was the guy like mike joyce who worked at the boys club for 20 some odd years. >> piers: you were a brawler. you got in -- you were a coke addict at 13, 14. you got into gang stuff, just about everything immeasurable, and you had what looked like from the outside to be this huge ephiany. as you say, coming from that prison experience, you were very lucky you met this catholic priest that guided you. what was going through your minds. for a lot of people going to prison becomes the start of the rest of their lives and is not pretty. how did you make that break, to get out of that the culture? >> i had to make the choice personally and focus on my faith and my faith has allowed me to overcome a lot of things and hard work.
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nothing comes easy, especially when you have your back against the wall and you have a lot going against you. i want it had it to prove through people that i was going to change and make a positive impact on the community that i come from. that's why i do so much youth work with on our foundation and inner city kids and partnering with taco bell in the graduate to go program. i could not forget about where i came from and find myself in this position without helping and giving back. >> piers: when that prison door shuts for the first time and you're in the cell, can you remember how you felt? >> of course, of course. i was 17 at the time, and i was probably about 5'3" and 115 pounds. it was pretty scary. then again, there was a lot of neighborhood guys there. i had a few confrontations and altercations, but it was really a matter of, okay, do you want to get in jail and getting high and doing that whole thing, or do i focus and start going to church and get out of here and
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never look back. >> piers: did your behavioral pattern change dramatically when you came snout. >> it did, because it's hard because you're back in the strirmt. its not like you can say i grew up in this bad place and i don't want to be in a bad place, i'm going to move to california and new york. it makes it more difficult, because now you're not one of the guys. if you're not with them, you're against them. that is difficult going to the train station to try to go to work and have a real job, but i had to face them and find out who your real friends are. looking back, you know, those guys have to respect me for what i did. >> piers: it takes great strength of character. it's not an easy thing to do to go against the grain. >> my parents tried to instill it in all of us. >> piers: do you go back to dorchester? >> often, yes. i was at the boys club. weerp opening a film and animation staud yo at the boys club i grew up. >> piers: how do you feel and
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what kind of reaction do you get sf. >> it's great because inspear kids to pursue their dreams. if i said i wanted to be an actor or artist, that's like saying you want to be a cop or worse because it wasn't cool. if you wanted to an athlete, that was fine and either our a gangster or a cop. now kids are inspired. >> piers: what was your ambition? >> i wanted to be an athlete, and then when i went to -- i was supposed to start high school, and my school didn't have a gym or any sports program whatsoever. that was pretty much it. i was on the streets doing my thing. >> piers: rough though it was and tough, what were the things that you got from that life sometime which have been of benefit to you in the new world na you have? >> well, that real-life experience is so much more powerful, i think, in my job especially as an actor than anything and also in my business
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approach. i was always a hustler and multi-tasker. even when i was doing stuff and selling drugs, i kept a real job so my mother wouldn't question where i got the money, and how did i get a car the same day i got my license. i have so much real life experience to draw on, like this role in "contraband." when i did "the departed," do you want to meet the cops? i know these cops and the world better than anybody. let me do my thing. that has been a plus, to use those things now positively. >> piers: are you a tough negotiator? >> i'm not. i just make sure that my agent is and my manager. i say yes all day long. >> piers: i've never met you, but i would imagine you can be pretty uncompromising? >> in my beliefs and in my position when if comes to certain things, my creativity, yes. you do my a favor, i'll do awe favor. i don't like asking for favors,
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but i like giving favors. >> do the streets ever leave you? >> no, absolutely not. you don't want them to, anyway. you have to have that to tap back into that if need be. especially now being a father of four kids and two beautiful daughters. >> this is a fascinating wait your life has evolved. i read you go to catholic mass every day? >> no, but i definitely go to the church every day. i get in fl for 15, 20 minutes to say prayers. >> piers: what does it bring you? >> a focus on what's important and a reminder every day of what i need to do and focus on and stay away from. >> when you pray what do you pray for? >> i don't pray for success at the box office. you know, i pray to be a good servant to god, a father, a husband, a son, a friend, a brother and uncle, a good
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neighbor and good leader to those that look up to me and a good follower to those serving god and doing the right thing and people i look up to and try to emulate. >> piers: one of the final parts your rehabilitation has been the removal of your tattoos. how are you getting on? >> it's a lot more painful than i thought and it takes longer than i thought. the doctor told me five to seven visits, and i've been over 30 times. i'm going back this week. they're all there but just faded. i don't give up on anything. >> piers: you took both your sons to watch -- >> my oldest daughter and son. >> piers: it's so agonizing, you wanted them to see the pain so they don't have them. >> they see it afterwards because i'm wrapped luke upper like a mummy and there's blood everywhere and scabs. i don't want them getting tattoos. >> piers: why are you putting yourself through all this agony? >> they all have meaning to me, but both personally and
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professionally it was a pain in the butt professionally when we did the fighter and putting on makeup all the time and covering it up. i shouldn't have marked my body that way, you know. i need to my wear my faith around my neck or have it permanently tattooed there. it's in my heart. >> piers: "contraband" is a raw movie. terrific to watch. i want to talk about the parallels with your life and the character you play in the film. [ male announcer ] you are a business pro.
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>> piers: a clip from "contraband." you play this reformed smuggler who gets sucked back in. his relative is sucked into the world. your character goes back into that murky world to try and save him. >> my character actually loves the world. it's a thrill. but he has a wife and two children, and his father is doing life in prison for smuggling. his brother-in-law is not the sharpest tool in the shed, and he's running drugs for dangerous people. when customs boards the boat, he has to dump it. not only do they want the money, but the street value of it, not the buy money back. they threaten to go after my and my kids p if he doesn't pay and kill him. i end up going to panama on a container ship and a lot of crazy things happen. what i loved about the character, he's very tough and physical. he's very smart. he has to do things in a extra way, and all these different things that happen along the
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way. i thought it was kocool. >> piers: he has a moral, ethical dilemma every step of the way. it's a very raw movie, isn't it? >> i love people start asking p me, i wonder why i started finding myself rooting for you and you're a criminal. i'm not as bad as other guy says in the movie. >> piers: your character is trying to protect him. >> would you do anything to protect your family? >> piers: it's an sfwing moral dilemma. how far would you go to help a relative in that position? i don't know the answer. do you know the answer? >> you know, i probably -- they'd be probably the only reason i had to go back to prison, if i had to do something to protect my family, and there was no other means of doing it. >> piers: what does your family make of your career path? >> it depends what part of my
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family. >> piers: what are the positive parts and negatives? >> my kids could care less, and they hate when people come up to us in public, the paparazzi and stuff like that. my family members are very proud of me. my wife knows how hard i work to provide for our family and our future, but most proud my mother and my dad before he passed away. they were most proud of the fact that i was committed to my family first, to my wife and children. that was the most important part. >> you hinted before that your family, your parents in particular, when they brought you up -- you're one of nine kids. it they tried to sort of keep you in line, but clearly weren't that successful. what have you learned as a parent from that experience? obviously, it's easier for you. >> my parents both worked two jobs and were never home. we were left to our own devices, and you go outside and trouble is it everywhere. the focus is to keep them busy and be involved in every aspect of their lives and talk to them
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about everything. it's the most important role as father and husband, and i will not fail. >> your wife doesn't like you doing sex scenes. >> yes, no do i. >> piers: the character had to have one. you did a deal not to have one, about the the deal was you would still appear naked on screen. is that right? >> yeah, how did you hear about that? >> piers: tell me about the deal. >> well, waited until we were kind of in the film, and i kept talking to the director, they're going on for seven years they don't have that sex anymore. she's an actress in the movie and has a sex scene with somebody else that makes me go wild, i fall off the wagon and ruin her evening and become a complete mess. i was like i don't think we need that, you know. maybe a kiss, but it's not like it's hot and heavy like it was when they met. he knew something was up. so then, i said, you know -- there was another scene where at end i have to take a bath, and
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it was supposed to be a shot of me in the shower and you saw my head and trying to scrub away all had this dirt and filth i experienced and cleanse myself before i go to prison. next thing you know, that scene was this whole thing, me getting undressed and i was stark naked for a good eight hours. >> piers: the deal was to keep your wife happy? >> yes. i don't like doing it either. it's part of the job. she knows i'm professional. it's uncomfortable and awkward. i don't like doing it. >> piers: you've worked with some of the greats in hollywood. what have you learned about acting? who do you like out in the acting world. >> daniel day-lewis, russell cro crowe, denzel washington. they're the matinee idol, very beautiful actors, and then they're the kind of more real, gritty kind of guys i identify
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with. i grew up watching steve mcqueen, james cagney, john garfield, robert ryan, guys like that. i couldn't connect to the karc e grants of the world. i think less is more. i think you need to play parts that you're believable in. that helps. >> piers: you said "entourage" is over. >> very. >> piers: i'm distraught. >> it was bittersweet, you know. we never thought the show would last that long. the fact that it did, you felt like, you know, it will never end. then it came to an end, but we're pushing thoord get the movie made. >> it's interesting how it can't be like that? it's like that. >> that was really the toned down version of what my life was like when i was young and crazy. >> piers: what do you think the basic shallowness of hollywood? the fact that if you're a hot star, everyone's crawling all over you, kissing ass.
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the moment it goes cold, boom -- >> that's why you need people around you to keep you grounded. people say why do you have your friends around working on a movie, i hire a friend. >> piers: what's a big dream role for you, if you have one out there if you think if if i get the chance, that's what i want to do? >> play you. no. >> piers: that's a lofty ambition. >> i don't know. i haven't really thought about it. >> piers: when we come back from the break, let's talk about the foundation how you are trying to stop kids from opting out of school that's the main tenor of th this. since ameriprise financial was founded back in 1894, they've been committed to putting clients first. helping generations through tough times. good times. never taking a bailout. there when you need them. helping millions of americans over the centuries.
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7,200 kids a day drop out of school. what i found really absorbing is when you get down to the reasons they give. the number one reason to get a job to support themselves or a family, not keeping up with schoolwork, boredom, negative peer pressure, lack of support, motivation and safety and bullying. a third of these kids that drop out is almost from necessity. >> yeah. >> piers: they need money. how do you tackle that as a government? if you're president obama trying to deal with this obviously muj problem, what do you do about that problem? that part of it? the need to finance a family? >> it's extremely difficult. look at the economy and the way it is. when i was going to school, i knew how to read, write, add and subtract and said what else do i need? he can't go to college. i can't afford to go to college or get a scholarship. what do i do? i might as well quit school and
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start working? i started working at 14. a lot of families are facing with that on a daily basis. i think if i had the answer to that question, i'd be in the office. >> piers: is it a slight problem when you face these kids and they know what you did, and they say, look at you. you dropped out and went to prison and now you're a billion dollar movie star. >> i say the odds of you doing that are slim to none. if i fail and my career ends tomorrow, i don't have anything to fall back on. i want to send my kids out to work. they get it and know. i talk to them very straightforward. there's my story, and then there's 20 million kids and most of my friends are either dead or in jail. that's the reality. they live in that world and get it and know. if there's anything you want to know, i am proof you can do that. i don't think by dropping out of school and starting today is the best idea, because it's not a
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sprint. it's a marathon. if you get your education, if you can get the he highest education possible, get it. then figure out what you want to do. if you want to pursue your dreams, go ahead. >> we talked on the break about the similarities with your life now and matt damon. he has a big passion about education, too. he also has four young kids, and you say you get mistaken for him quite a lot and he does for you. >> we have a thing we laugh about. last time i saw him, if somebody else comes up and say i lorve yu in the bourn identity, i say thank you. are you matt damon, i say i'm brad pitt. all the time with "the fighter" and "the perfect storm." we have the similar approach. it's our job. >> piers: he seem aid very well-adjusted guy to me, matt damon. he worked on out what is most important in his life, and he
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works hard to keep that sustained. his marriage and kids and so on. you seem to have come to that place as well. >> yes. >> piers: how important has your wife been to you? >> she's the most important person in any life. she's my whole world. she's a wonderful mother and wife. all of her focus is the on the kids. she supports me in every single way, and you know, we have a great thing going. >> what's the future holding for you in the pipeline? >> a lot of different things. i'm trying to build up my business in producing and film and television and working on a lot of businesses outside the sberl at the same time industry. i femt like career are short lived and you don't know how long it will last. we launched wahlberger's. i have to come on your snow in a couple months to talk about the new sports nutrition line. we're in gncs in the spring and in the summer in select mass stores. we want people to live a healthy
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turned out to be in the short term ruinous for us. >> i agree. il it's a tough question to ask somebody that's been through a lot. >> piers: how do you feel getting to 40 alive and healthy, happily married and have lovely children. a lot of people you knew in the old days are in jail or dead. you've said that already. how do you feel? >> blessed. very blessed. the luckiest guy the in the world, and i'm happy. if my career ended today, i'd be fine, because i'm so happy. i've done so much. my family's the most important thing. >> piers: what do you think your dad would have made of the mark wahlberg sitting here right now? >> he was around long enough to see any turn around. he saw me nominated for "the departed." now you can consider yourself a
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real actor. that's an accomplishment. he used to watch the academy awards all the time as a kids and he loved movies. >> he got it, then. at that moment he understood you were a bonified success story. >> yeah. he came to the set of "the departed" and met jack. it was a thrill for him. >> piers: it was a thrill for me. thank you very much. come back in and talk about your nutrition. when we come back cuba gooding jr. about the new movie. when bp made a commitment to the gulf, we were determined to see it through. here's an update on the progress. we're paying for all spill related clean-up costs. bp findings supports independent scientists studying the gulf's environment. thousands of environmental samples have been tested and all beaches and waters are open. and the tourists are back.
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>> shiny boots and uniform and that would be the end of 100 years of bigotry. you're colored men in a while man's army, it's a miracle you're not mopping latrines in milwaukee. >> piers: that's cuba gooding jr. in "red tails," the story of the tuskegee airmen. joining me now is cuba gooding jr. and terrence howard. welcome, gentlemen. >> okay. >> i love this story. what i love about it are the parallels to actually the making of this movie, because here you have george lucas, a very
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famous, very white hollywood legend who -- >> he has a bit of a tan. >> piers: with a tan. almost plague the role of this very brave colonel in the movie who decides to break the mold to put black pilots into the military into the air. george lucas, ir think you said this, terrence about it. he's put well-known black actors in the movie and hollywood said it won't work. he says i'll back my judgment and money, i believe this will work. the same kind of audacious move that the colonel took. when you made the movie, did you feel that as you were making it? this was life coming forward in a different way but a similar kind of struggle. >> every day. >> one of the things he said when he first arrived in prague, he said, remember, i'm not making a civil rights movie
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right here. i'm making a film about heroes. this is not about victims. this is a film about heroes, and that was what he impressed us with. so having braved that battle, he didn't even realize the battle he was going to have. he figured he would shoot this movie and it would be a great action film and he would take it to fox and the studios would say we should have backed it to the start. the first said, we don't know how to market it. we don't -- he said, you market it -- how did he say it? >> he said it's an action movie with an all-black cast. it is. they're absolutely right. there's an audience for it. >> it shouldn't matter, should it? >> it shouldn't. >> piers: why say things like that? stha there's a black president. the moov vee is coming up. >> $58 million and went to ireland and try to make that
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movie, you have the owner saying he spent $58 million. he had all the resources. it visually has 16,000 visual effect shots in it. it's a huge budget. >> piers: cuba, tell me what you feel about george luke kansas city doing this? >> i would kiss him right in the mouth. i'm sorry. >> what he lent himself to, this was a 23-year passion project. and then after making this film and taking it to the first studio, and then they say no, he goes to the other six studios and hears the same thing? >> remember, this is a roller coaster ride. i don't know if you've seen the movie yet. it's visually stunning, and a lot of exploits of what the airmen went through, he couldn't tell that whole tale. what does he do? he puts together a two-hour documentary called double victory. he's going to put that out everywhere. >> for people watching this and
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haven't seen the movie and don't know much about the tusk gee airmen, tell me why they are so important. >> they're so important because they represent african-americans' contribution to the war efforts of world war ii. they did bomber escort over the skies of berlin. >> they had their own bomber squadron. >> piers: the significance was until they went up, there was no black u.s. military pilots. >> ultimately this led to the integration of the u.s. military. >> that's right. they kicked off the civil rights movement. >> what was so go about the tuskegee airmen, they had three months of training before they're shipped out into the middle of a filt. but the black pilots didn't have anyone that would take them, so they had two and a half years of training. so the moment that they got into the air, they were aces. >> they shot down 100 germany planes, played a major part in
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the american war effort. t >> the beaches of normandy let it take place. >> woefrd 30-something screenings and screened it at pentagon. >> piers: what kind of men are they? >> they're strong, 94-year-old warriors is what they are. >> disciplined. >> disciplined, and just so charismatic still. roscoe brown, and we've been with him, the doctor all day today. he shakes your hand, and you're like ease up, brother. >> lee archer, all of these men. they didn't go into the war -- they didn't go into school thinking i'll be a pilot. they went ko school to become doctors or lawyers. they just happened to for the sake of the country decided to become pilots and were marvelous. >> let's show another clip from this remarkable film. >> we count or vaktaries by the
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bombers we get to the targets, by the husbands we return to their wives, by the fathers we give back to their children. what has not changed, what will never change from the last plane to the last bullet to the last minute to the last man, we fight. we fight! >> yes, sir. >> piers: that's "red tails, "the "and i hope everyone goes to watch this. i think it's important they do. does it shock you that hollywood is still so ant toe kuwaitindice way they treat this movie. does it shock you? >> it's par for the course. anytime you try to break barriers and break a fiduciary established means of trading money or saying who should receive money, especially at an economically -- an economic --
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what is this word i'm looking for -- the atmosphere we're in right now is frightening, and it's very little oxygen left to go around. >> nobody wants to take a risk, so they're looking for -- in the case of this movie, an excuse to not take the risk. an easy excuse is we can't sell a black movie. let's be honest. that's what they're basically saying. that's why it's so important, isn't it, that this movie is watched and is successful. i've seen george lucas very passionate about that. he wants people to watch it to understand how important these guys were. >> for the american brand abroad, i did a movie, "men of honor," and i was in beirut, lebanon and this old woman said i love that diary movie. this story will help build up the american brand again, because no matter what color you are, being american is cool. >> it really is cool in our history. these boys explain how something
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i'm don lemon here are the headlines this hour. a political surprise for newt gingrich. former rival herman cain endorsed gingrich in a republican dinner in pauch beach. minutes later i asked herman cain if he thinks his public support will help gingrich at the ballot box. >> in some instances they don't make a difference. i don't endorse where somebody stands in the polls. i make my endorsement based on my belief, and this individual is one of the people still in the primary process that i happen to believe embraced most of the ideals and most of the ideologies. >> cain says a big reason you backs gingrich is because he's not afraid of bold ideas. in oakland we haven't seen this kind of ruckus at an "occupy" protest in weeks. they're on the ground.
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terrence howard was nominated in the 2005 film "hustle of flow." we were talking about ground-breaking movie you made. it shouldn't be ground-breaking. this frustrates me. he we shouldn't talk about this as a black movie, but we have to because george lucas, a white guy takes this movie to sell to his own in hollywood, and hits the race barrier. that's what happened. are you sprurprised with three years after president barack obama is elected you're still having to have this kind of battle in a place like hollywood? >> lulgts. >> you'd think since obama broke the ground that the world would be wide open. once the ground is broken, you still have to plow that land. that's what george lucas is doing right now. he's plowing that land, and some of those rocks are still there. you have to break them down. the film stands for itself. >> i ask a lot of guests this
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when they come, particularly african-american guests or morgan freeman fold me never to use that phrase. just call me an actor or black actor. it's a good point to make. do you believe that since barack obama was elected america has become more or less racist? >> i hope -- i'm an optimist, so i have to say less racist. i was in france and two frenchmen came up to me. they said you got to be -- can i ask you something personal? how does it happen that a black man is it is head of such a racist nation? i didn't know how to respond to them, because it got me to thinking. if you think about it, when i grew up i didn't know there were tuskegee airmen and black accomplishment in america. you have the color purpole and
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glory. this is an african-american action film that tells about black heroes in history. i think that, to me, is why this film is so healing for our foreign brand. >> i don't think it's more of a racist or less of a racist. now it shows itself. >> piers: that's my sense. actually it just brought it back to the fore, the race issue is much more widespread and much more public because there's a black president. that in ift may not be a bad thing. >> right, right. >> now you can deal with it. >> exactly. >> now it be publicly properly debated for the black community. >> you look at george lucas with -- until he tried to make a quote-unquote black film or put black stars in an action movie, he didn't really understand what it was like. his girlfriend, melody, is black, but she said to him you did not understand what it was like until he tried to put this
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film out. without the half of $100 million in resources he has to promote his own movie, it would have suffered the same failure other films did. because george can back up his own -- i want to say a word i can't. >> a passion. he also has two black children, cuba gooding jr. and terrence howard. we're his illegitimate sons. he has two black kids. >> piers: how do you think barack obama is doing 'president? >> it's a heaard job. he was put in the white house with the economy falling apart and a bunch of troops over there fighting a losing battle. he said i'm going to bring them home. he did. all right? he's bringing them home. i'm not -- to me in politics,
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i'm an actor first. i'm not taking sides or anything. >> he has to make so many compromises and still because of trying to clean up the mess before him, he hasn't been in a position to do the things that he had set forth in his campaign. now, if he got another opportunity, perhaps he can handle that, but with all of the things that news bills that have been passed, he even has me wondering and i'm the biggest barack obama supporter from the start. i know that his heart is in the right place, but my god, how do you deal with all of the pressures coming from every possible side. >> piers: it's almost an impossible job. i don't know why anybody wants to be president. the pressure on him coming in with such a high -- with the whole world going crazy, he could never live up to that in this economic environment. i think he's been probably -- i'm sure he'd admit, he hasn't
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dealt with the republicans in a strong enough way and getting stuff done. he hasn't had his own mission statement and driven it through. i suspect if he wins the next election, there will be a very different barack obama. >> absolutely. i don't aagree with everything he said and done, but you can't deny the accomplishments. >> i believe where his heart is at, but when you're dealing with a bipartisan world, that's not even just america in itself. it's not even the government. you're dealing with a bipartisan world where everyone seems to be pulling at each other. ij we all need to either stand behind him or grab somebody and stand behind them and do it as a whole. >> doesn't the movie you made here, doesn't that absolutely and the making of this movie, don't is it show you you have to have courage and you have to have an instinct for taking a big gamble and pushing against that koind of pardon zan vw, doesn't it? >> what
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