hours after his first concussion, 16-year-old jaquann waller died. > tonight the fighter mark wahlberg battles his way up from the mean streets of boston. >> i said this is not the life for me. >> rapper, underwear model, producers who promises his wife no sex scenes. >> it's uncomfortable and awkward. i wouldn't want her doing that. >> and a film that even george lucas had to fight to make. >> before he tried to mike a black film, he didn't understand what it was like. >> this is "piers morgan tonight." >> mark wahlberg had an extraordinary life, he's been a rapper with a platinum model, an

underwear model and oscar winning actor and approach dueser. my favorite mark wahlberg movie is "boogie nights." i see you raising your eyebrows at your estimated net worth. did we get it too low? >> no, is there a check someone's been withholding? >> are any of these figures ever true? >> not usually, unless it's a divorce settlement. >> your movies have grossed $1.5 billion. >> that's good. >> you're not exactly on the bread line. >> no, i'm very fortunate, thank you. >> you said when you got to 40 you would retire and play golf. what happened? you're 40. >> my golf game is crap. i was just working at such a pace i need to figure out ways to spend more time with my family. being off on location is very difficult.

and, you know, 50 is the new 40 so talk to me in ten years. >> how did you feel turning 40? when i remember you going back as far as markey mark, storming europe and britain and obviously your brother and new kid and so on, i remember those years very vividly and used to report on them for british newspapers, you've come a long way. that's 20 years ago. >> i've been very fortunate. i had no desire to be in the movies whatsoever. i was actually offered a couple of role that really turned me off from the idea of making movies and then i met penny marshall and that changed everything for me. after i had that experience, i didn't want to do anything else. >> receiving you in movies, it's hard to remember you as markey mark. there you are in the suit, executive hair cut. it's all looking very grown up. >> i had a large team that made me over. no, i've just grown up. >> but you feel you have? >> yes, in many ways.

and certainly parenthood and being a husband forces you to. >> you've had an extraordinary upbringing, as i said at the start. i actually went to dorchester in boston once. >> and you made it back. >> how tough was it in reality do you think? >> it depends. i always wanted to be one of the guys. in toward be one of the guys, you had to do things more dangerous. but as soon as i ended up being incarcerated, i knew this wasn't the life for me. >> three of your brothers went to prison, you sister in and out of prison. you almost felt like this was going to happen thvs going to part of your life. >> when i arrived, i was with those guys i always wanted to be like and that i look up to. and i realized i this false of idea of what was call.

the people i should have looked up to, father flavin, who helps at risk and inner city kids. >> you were a brawler. you got in -- you were a coke addict at 13, 14. you got into gang stuff. just about everything imaginable. and then you had almost what looks like from the outside to be this kind of huge epiphany. as you say coming from that prison experience, you were very lucky, you met this catholic priest who guided you. tell me what was going through your mind. for a lot of people, going to prison becomes the start for the rest of their lives and it not pretty. how did you manage to make that break, get out of that culture? >> i had to make the choice personally and then hi to focus on my faith and my faith has allowed me to overcome a lot of things and hard work. nothing comes easy, especially when you've got your back

against the wall and you've got a lot going against you. i wanted to prove to people through my action, not my word, that i was going to change and make a positive impact on the community that i come from. that's why i do so much youth work with our foundation and inner city kids and taco bell and graduate to go program. i could not forget about where i came from and find myself in this position without helping and giving back. >> when that prison door shuts for the first time and you're in the cell, can you remember how you felt? >> of course. of course. and i was 17 at the time and i was probably about 5'3", 115 pounds and it was pretty scary. but then again there was a lot of neighborhood guy there is, i had a few confrontations and a couple of altercations but, you know, it was really just a matter of, okay, do i want to now get in jail, start getting high, doing that whole thing or am i going to focus, start going to church, get out of here and never get back. >> did your behavioral pattern change dramatically when you

came out? >> it did but it's also very hard because now you're back in that environment and it's not like i can say i grew up in this bad place, i don't want to be around these guys, i'm going to move to california or new york. so you're still one of the guys. if you're not with them, you're against them. that can be difficult going to the train station, going to work and have a real job. but i had to face them, find out who your real friends are. now looking back, those guys have to respect me for who i am. >> it takes great character, going against the grain. >> my parents stride to instel it but. >> did you go back to dorchester? >> yes. we're opening a film, television and animation studio at the boys club i grew up at. >> what kind of reaction do you zbhet. >> it's great for me because

we're inspiring kids to pursue their dreams. if i said i wanted to be an actor or you want to be an artist, that's like saying you want to be a cop or even worse. because it just wasn't cool. if you wanted to be an athlete, that was fine. either that or you were going to be a gangster or a cop. and now kids are inspired. they think if can i do it, they can do it. >> what was your ambition? >> i wanted to be an athlete. i was supposed to start high school and my school didn't even have a gym or any sports program whatsoever, that was pretty much it. i was already off in the streets and i was doing my thing. so -- >> rough though it was and tough, what were the things that you got from that lifestyle which have been a benefit to you in the new world that you have? >> well that, real life experience is so much more powerful i think in my job, especially as an actor than anything and also in my business approach. i was always a hustler, always a

multi-tasker, even when i was doing stuff and selling drugs, i always kept a real job so my mother wouldn't question how did i get the money, how did i get a job? like this role in "contraband," i always try to find some personal connection to the role i'm playing. when i did "the departed," they said do want to meet the cops? i said i know the cops, let me do my thing. >> raw very tough negotiators? >> i'm not. i just make sure my agent is or my manager is. i say yes all day long. >> i've never met you but i get a sense -- i can imagine you would be pretty uncompromising. >> moo my beliefs certainly and in my position when it comes to certain things in my creativity, yes. but, you know, i'm -- you do me favor i'll do you a favor. i don't like asking for favor, i look giving favors. you got to do whatever you got do to get the job done.

>> do the streets ever leave you? >> no, absolutely not. you don't want them to anyway. you have to have that to tap back into if need be. especially now being a father, four kid, two beautiful daughters. >> this is a fascinating way your life has evolved, you're now in this very protective position, two sons, two girls. and also you have your faith. i've read that you go to catholic mass every day. >> yeah. i don't go to mass necessarily every day but i definitely go in the church every day. i like to go in there 15, 20 minutes, say my prayers. >> what's it bring you? >> a reminder of what's important, expressing my gratitude, and reminding me what i need to stay away from. >> when you pray, what do you pray for? >> i don't pray to be a success at the box office. i pray to be a good servant to god, a friend, a brother, a uncle, a good follower to those

serving good and doing the right thing and people can i look up to and try to emulate. >> one of the final parts of your rehabilitation has been the removal of your tattoos. how are you getting on? >> it's a lot more painful than i thought and it takes a lot longer than i thought. the doctor, who i love to death, she's a sweetheart but she told me five to seven visits, i've been over 30 times. i'm going back this week. >> how many do you have left? >> they're all kind of there but just faded. i don't give up on anything. >> you took both your sons to watch -- >> my oldest daughter and son. >> it so agonizing, you wanted them to see the pain so they'd never have them. >> i'll use any kind of scare tactic. >> why are you putting yourself through all this agony? >> they all have meaning to me. personally and professionally, it was a pain in the butt professionally like when we did

"the fighter" putting on make-up all the time to cover it. i shouldn't have marked my body like that. i don't knee need to hang my faith around my neck. >> when we come back, i want to talk to you about the paralleling you said you draw on in your life and the character you play in the film. so who ordered the cereal that can help lower cholesterol and who ordered the yummy cereal? yummy. [ woman ] lower cholesterol. [ man 2 ] yummy. i got that wrong didn't i? [ male announcer ] want great taste and whole grain oats that can help lower cholesterol? honey nut cheerios.

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i'm one drink away from the worst day of my life. >> what should i do. >> i'm not the only one in the >> i can probably get us some buy money no problem. >> it's not going away, chris. >> that's from your new film "contraband." you play this reformed smuggler who gets sucked back in. his relative has got sucked into this murky world and so your character goes back in to that murky world to try and save him. >> yeah. which my character actually loves the world, it's a thrill, but he has a wife and two children and his father's doing life in prison for smuggling and so -- you know, his brother-in-law is not the sharpest tool in the shed and he's running drugs for dangerous people and when customs boards the boat, he has to dump it and not only do they want the money,

but they want the street value. they threaten to go after me and my kid if they he doesn't pay, they've killed his kids and hospitalize him. i end up going to panama on a container ship and a lot of things happen. what i love about the character is he's very tough and physical but he's also very smart. he has to do things in a practical way. i thought it was cool. >> he goes through this kind of moral, ethical dilemma every step of the way, you can almost live it with him. but it's a very raw movie, isn't it? >> i love that the people start asking me, journalists, saying i wondered why i started finding myself rooting for you and you're also a criminal. i said, yeah, but i'm not as bad as the other guys in the movie. >> and your character is being sucked in for the right reason ps. >> would you do anything for your family? >> it's an interesting dynamic, isn't it? watching the movie you start thinking of that, how far would you go, do you think of that?

>> probably that's the only reason i would go back to prison would be to protect my family and there was no other way to do it. >> what does your family think -- >> depends on which family. >> what are the positive and the negatives? >> my kids hate the paparazzi. my family members are very proud of me. my wife knows how hard i work to provide four my family and our future. my mom and my dad before he pass away are most proud i was committed to my family first, my wife and children. that was the most important part. >> you hinted before that your family, your parents in particular, you're one of nine kid, they tried to sort of keep you in line but clearly weren't

that successful. what you have learned as a parent from that experience? obviously it's easier for you. >> well, my parents both worked two jobs and were never hardly home and we were left to our own devices. you go outside and trouble is everywhere. for us the focus is to a, keep them busy and be involved in every aspect of their lives. talk to them about everything. it's obviously the most important role i'll ever play is father and husband and i will not fail. >> your wife doesn't like you doing sex scenes. >> yes. >> so your character -- >> for do i. >> so the character probably had to have one and did you a deal not to have one but the deal was you would still appear naked on screen; is that right? >> yeah, how did you hear about that? >> tell me about the deal. >> well, i waited until we were kind of in the film and i kept talking to the director going, you know, these guys have been going out for seven year, they don't really have that kind of sex anymore. she's an actress in the movie and she has a sex wheel with

everyone else that makes me go wild, i fall off the wagon, ruin her evening and become a complete mess. but i don't think we really need that. maybe a kiss but it's not like it's hot and heavy like it was when they met. he knew something was up. so there was this other scene at the end where i have to take a bath, it's supposed to be a shot of me in the shower and you saw this head and trying to upaway this dearth and filthy just experienced and cleanse myself before i go to prison. >> the deal was to keep your wife happy? >> yes. it's just uncomfortable and awkward. i wouldn't want to see her doing that and i don't like doing it. >> and you've worked with some of the great now in hollywood. what have you learned about acting? who do you really rate out there

in the acting world? >> daniel day lewis, russell crowe, denzel washington. >> what does it take to make a great actor? what makes the difference between a good actor and great actor? >> there are different actors. there are the matinee idol beautiful actor and the kind of more real, gritty guys that i identify with. i grew up watching steve mcqueen, james cagney, john garfield, robert ryan, guys like that. i couldn't really connect to the carey grants of the world. but for me it's just somebody that tries to make it real. i think less is more. i think you need to play parts that you're believable in. that helps. >> are you sad "entourage" is over? >> very. >> i'm distraught. >> it was bitty sweet. we never thought the show would last that long. the fact that it did you almost felt it will never end. but then it came to an end. we're pushing hard to get the

movie made. >> people say to me it can't be like that. i say it is like that. >> that was really the toned down version, certainly of what my life used to be when i was young and crazy. >> what could you think of the basic shallowness of hollywood, the fact that if you're a hot star, everyone's calling all over you, kissing ass. the moment it goes cold, boom. >> that's why you need people around you that will keep you grounded. people say why do you have your friends around? when i'm working on a movie, i like to hire my friends. if i'm going to hire someone tolls do the job, why not hire someone i know and trust and has my best interests at heart. >> what's the big dream role for you, if there's one out there and you get the chance? >> play you. >> really? >> i don't know. i haven't really thought about it. >> let's take a break and come back and talk about your foundation, get into the detail. how you're trying to stop kids opting out of school is the main

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one of the leading factors in a teen's future success, a high school diploma. too bad nearly one in three u.s. teens fails to graduate. that's within teen dropping out nearly every 26 seconds.

what can one person do to help? takes just $1 to help create a lasting change in a teen's life. just one person can help empower those teens with the skills necessary to help a teen get to graduation. are you the one? >> this is specifically to end dropout rates in schools. the stats are incredible. 7,200 kids a day drop out of school. what i found really absorbing was when you get down to the reasons they give. the number one reason, getting a job, supporting themselves or their families, not be able to keep up with school work, boredom, negative peer pressure, lack of support, motivation, safety and bullying. a third of the kids that drop out actually is almost from necessity. they need money. how do you tackle that? as a government, if you're president obama and you're trying to deal with this obviously huge problem, what do you do about that problem that, part of it, the need to finance

a family? >> well, it's extremely difficult. you look at the economy and the way it is. when i was going to school, i knew how to read, write, add and subtract. i basically said what else do i need? i'm not going to be able to go to college, i'm not going to be able to get a scholarship. i might as well quit school now and start working. i started working at 14. a lot of families are faced with that on a daily basis, single-parent homes, they have multiple siblings. i think if i had the answer to that kwerks i'd be in the office. >> is it a slight problem for you when you face these kids and they know what you did and they, well, look at you, you dropped out and went to prison and now you're this billion dollar movie star. >> and i say the odds of you doing that are slim to none. let's start with an education, get an education so you have something to fall back on. if i fail and my career ends tomorrow, i don't have anything to fall back on. i'm going to be send mieg kid --

sending my kid out to work. they get it. they live in that world so they get it. they know. but i also tell them that if there's anything you want to do, i am proof can you do that but i don't think dropping out of school today is the best idea. it's not a sprint, it's a marathon. if you can get the highest education possible, get it. then if you want to pursue your dreams, go ahead. >> we were talking about the sim larp tease in your life and matt damon. heap has a big passion about education and heap also has four young kids. you say you get mistaken for him quite a lot and he for you? >> yeah. we have this thing if somebody else comes up and says "i love you in "the bourne," i say thank you. and they say are you mat damon? i said no, i'm brad pitt.

we both have a similar approach to our job, it's our job. other than that we wanted to be left alone and be with our families. >> he seems like a very adjusted person in life. he works hard to keep that, stay in his marriage, his kid and so on. you seem to have come to that place as well. >> yeah. >> how important has your wife been to you? >> the most important person in my life. she's my whole world. she's a wonderful mother, a wonderful life. all of her focus is on the kids. she supports me in every single way. we have a great thing going. >> what's the future holding for you in sn what's in the pipeline? >> a lot of different things. i'm trying to build up my business both in producing film and television and working on a lot of businesses outside of the entertainment industry.

i always felt like careers can be very short lived. you don't know how long they're going to last and i want to build something i can have for my families. we launched wahlbergers, have another restaurant. have i to come on your show in a couple months to talk about my new sports nutrition line. we're going to be in gncs in the spring and in the sumner select mass stores. >> what's the idea behind that? >> we want people to live a healthy lifestyle. i've always worked out and tried to maintain -- stay in shape. we want to motivate people to stay in shape and be at their best. we partnered up with gnc. doesn't get any better than those guy. >> when you look back over the amazing career you've had, all the twists and turns, if i had the power to let you relive one moment again, what would you choose? >> i would probably choose not quitting school because that's when everything started to go downhill. that's when the drugs and the

violence and all that stuff started to happen. so -- because i can't really pick one other than that because there was thousands that i should -- a thousand things that i should have changed. >> that moment ended up being one of the great pivotal moments for you. >> i agree. you asked me. eight tough question to ask somebody who has been through a lot. >> how do you feel having got to 40, you're alive, you're healthy, you're happily married, you've got lovely children. a lot of people you knew in the old days presumably either in jail or dead. you've said that already. how do you feel? >> blessed. very blessed. the luckiest guy in the world. and i'm happy. i'm just happy. if my career ended today, i'd be fine because i'm so happy.

i've seen and done so much, you know. my family's the most important thing. >> what do you think your dad would have made of the mark wahlberg sitting in front of me now? >> he was long enough to see me turn it around. his proudest moment was when i got nominated for the oscar for "the departed." i called him and he said you used to call me to tell me you got this much amount of money to make a movie and now you can consider yourself an actor. he used to love movie. >> he got it. in that moment he understood you were a bona fide success story. >> so he came to the set of "the departed" and met jack. and it was a thrill for him. >> it was a thrill for me. >> thank you. >> come back. we'll talk about your nutrition program. >> coming up, we'll talk about the the famous tuscany airmen and how it was to get the movie made sign up, we get shiny

made sign up, we get shiny boots, a uniform, that would be the end of a hundred years of bigotry. you're colored men in a white man's army. it's a miracle, you're flying fighters in italy and not mopping latrines in milwaukee.

>> that's cuba gooding, jr. they were the first ever black u.s. military pilots. joining me is cuba gooding june and his co-star terence. i love this because here are the parallels to the making of the movie. here you have george lucas, a very fame oushs very white hollywood legend, with a tan, almost playing the role of this very brave colonel, noel parish in the movie. lucas has put a lot of well known black actors in this movie and hollywood instinctively was like this isn't going to work. he's saying i'm going to back my judgment, i'm going to back my money, i believe this will work.

exactly the same kind of audacious move that colonel parish took. when you made the movie, did you feel that as you were making it, that this was life coming forward in a different way but a similar kind of struggle? >> one of the things that he said when he first arrived in prague, he said remember, i'm not making a civil rights movie right here. i'm making a film about heros, this is not about victims. this is a film about heros. and that was what he impressed us with. so having braved that battle and he didn't realize the battle he was going to have. he figured he would shoot the movie, it would be a great action film here, would take it to fox, to the studios and the studios would go nuts and say we should have backed you from the start. take it to the first one, they say we don't know how to market it. >> said it's an action movie with an all-black cast. it is.

they're absolutely right. >> but that shouldn't matter, should it? >> it shouldn't matter. >> why are we still saying things like that? it's a black president for god sakes. but it has and the battle goes on. the movie is coming out, it's a $58 million movie. >> it's more than that. you phu took $58 million and tried to make $58 million, it would be a lot more. you had the owner saying he spent $58 million. he had all the resources. it has 16,000 visual effect shots in it. it's a huge budget. >> cuba, tell me what you feel about george lucas in doing this? >> i would kiss him right in the mouth. i'd be one man kiss another man right in his mouth. i'm serious. >> what he lent himself to, i mean, this was a 23-year passion project. >> that's right. >> and then after making this film and taking it to the first studio and then they say no, he goes to the other six studios

and hears the same thing. >> here's the thing, remember, this is is a roller coaster ride. i don't know if you've seen the movie yet. it's visually stunning, okay. and a lot of the exploits of what the air men went through, he couldn't tell that whole tale. so what does he do? he puts together a two-hour documentary called "double victory." he's just going to put that out everywhere this weekend. >> for people watching this who haven't seen the movie and don't know much about the tuskegee airmen, tell me why they're so important. >> because they represent african-americans' contributions to the war efforts of world war ii. they did bomber escort over the skies of berlin. >> and they ultimately had their own bomber squadron. >> but the significance was until they went up, there had been no black u.s. military pilots? >> that's right. >> at all. this led to the integration of the u.s. military. >> they kicked off the civil rights movement. >> what was so good about the tuskegee airmen, whereas most

white pilots would have three months of training before they would be shipped out into the middle of the fight, but the black pilots didn't have anyone who would take them so they have two and a half years of training. so the moment they got into the air, they were aces. >> and they shot down a hundred german planes, played a major part in the american war effort. >> at the beaches of normandy, which allowed the invasion to take place. >> and you guys actually met some of the surviving tuskegee air men, right? >> we had over 30 something screenings. we've screened at the pentagon -- >> what kind of men are they? >> they're strong, 94-year-old warriors is what they are. >> disciplined. >> disciplined and so charismatic still. roscoe brown, he was here. we've been with him, the doctor, all day today. he shakes your hand you're like, oh, ease up, brother, ease up. >> lee archer. >> not with us any longer.

>> they didn't go into school thinking i'm going to become a pilot. they went to school to become doctors or lawyers. they just happened to for the same of contributing to the country decided to become pilots and happened to be marvelously brilliant at it. >> let look at a clip from this remarkable film. >> we count our victories by the bombers we get to their targets, by the husbands we return to their wives, by the fathers we get back to their children. what has not changed, what will never change from the last plane to the last bullet to the last minute to the last man we fight, we fight. >> yes, sir! >> i hope everyone goes to watch this. i think it's important they do. does it shock you that hollywood is still so antiquated and i would say borderline racist in the way it has treated this movie so far.

is this shocking? >> no, it's par for the course. any time you're trying to change barriers, break barriers and break a fiduciary established means of trading money or saying who should receive money, especially in an economically -- an economic -- what is this word -- >> temperature -- >> the atmosphere that we're in right now is frightening. and there's very little oxygen left to go around. >> so nobody wants to take a risk and they're looking for i guess in the case of this movie an excuse not to take the risk and the easy excuse is we can't sell a black movie. that's what they're basically saying. >> right. >>s that why it so important that this movie is watched and so successful. i've seen george lucas get very passionate about it. he doesn't care about anything other than eyeballs. he wants people to watch it and understand how important these men are.

>> a did that diver movie and people have come up to me and said i love that diver movie. this story will help build up the american brand again. no matter what color you are, being an american is cool. they explain how something like a president barack obama can happen. we were saying this earlier -- >> hold that very thought. let's have a quick break and come back and talk about barack obama because himself anointment as president of this country should have been an incredible transform atory moment. was it? that's what i want to know. . [ beep ] [ mom ] scooter? the progresso chicken noodle you made is so good. it's got tender white meat chicken. the way i always made it for you. one more thing.... those pj's you like,

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>> show me the money! >> jerry, you better yell. >> show me the money! >> piers: that's cuba gooding jr. in "jerry maguire," delivering one of the my favorite movie lines ever. terrence howard was nominated in the 2005 film "hustle of flow." we were talking about ground-breaking movie you made.

it shouldn't be ground-breaking. this frustrates me. he we shouldn't talk about this as a black movie, but we have to because george lucas, a white guy takes this movie to sell to his own in hollywood, and hits the race barrier. that's what happened. are you surprised with three years after president barack obama is elected you're still having to have this kind of battle in a place like hollywood? >> lulgts. >> you'd think since obama broke the ground that the world would be wide open. once the ground is broken, you still have to plow that land. that's what george lucas is doing right now. he's plowing that land, and some of those rocks are still there. you have to break them down. the film stands for itself. >> i ask a lot of guests this when they come, particularly african-american guests or morgan freeman fold me never to use that phrase. just call me an actor or black

actor. it's a good point to make. do you believe that since barack obama was elected america has become more or less racist? >> i hope -- i'm an optimist, so i have to say less racist. i was in france and two frenchmen came up to me. they said you got to be -- can i ask you something personal? how does it happen that a black man is it is head of such a racist nation? i didn't know how to respond to them, because it got me to thinking. if you think about it, when i grew up i didn't know there were tuskegee airmen and black accomplishment in america. you have the color purple and glory. this is an african-american action film that tells about black heroes in history.

i think that, to me, is why this film is so healing for our foreign brand. >> i don't think it's more of a racist or less of a racist. now it shows itself. >> piers: that's my sense. actually it just brought it back to the fore, the race issue is much more widespread and much more public because there's a black president. that in ift may not be a bad thing. >> right, right. >> now you can deal with it. >> exactly. >> now it be publicly properly debated for the black community. >> you look at george lucas with -- until he tried to make a quote-unquote black film or put black stars in an action movie, he didn't really understand what it was like. his girlfriend, melody, is black, but she said to him you did not understand what it was like until he tried to put this film out. without the half of $100 million in resources he has to promote his own movie, it would have

suffered the same failure other films did. because george can back up his own -- i want to say a word i can't. >> a passion. he also has two black children, cuba gooding jr. and terrence howard. we're his illegitimate sons. he has two black kids. >> piers: how do you think barack obama is doing 'president? >> it's a hard job. he was put in the white house with the economy falling apart and a bunch of troops over there fighting a losing battle. he said i'm going to bring them home. he did. all right? he's bringing them home. i'm not -- to me in politics, i'm an actor first. i'm not taking sides or anything. >> he has to make so many compromises and still because of

trying to clean up the mess before him, he hasn't been in a position to do the things that he had set forth in his campaign. now, if he got another opportunity, perhaps he can handle that, but with all of the things that news bills that have been passed, he even has me wondering and i'm the biggest barack obama supporter from the start. i know that his heart is in the right place, but my god, how do you deal with all of the pressures coming from every possible side. >> piers: it's almost an impossible job. i don't know why anybody wants to be president. the pressure on him coming in with such a high -- with the whole world going crazy, he could never live up to that in this economic environment. i think he's been probably -- i'm sure he'd admit, he hasn't dealt with the republicans in a strong enough way and getting stuff done. he hasn't had his own mission statement and driven it through. i suspect if he wins the next

election, there will be a very different barack obama. >> absolutely. i don't aagree with everything he said and done, but you can't deny the accomplishments. >> i believe where his heart is at, but when you're dealing with a bipartisan world, that's not even just america in itself. it's not even the government. you're dealing with a bipartisan world where everyone seems to be pulling at each other. ij we all need to either stand behind him or grab somebody and stand behind them and do it as a whole. >> doesn't the movie you made here, doesn't that absolutely and the making of this movie, don't is it show you you have to have courage and you have to have an instinct for taking a big gamble and pushing against that koind of pardon zan view, doesn't it? >> what you just said, the movie starts the healing process, absolutely. that's why you should see it. >> piers: it's been fascinating.