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>> it's a minute and a half. >> i'llwatch it. >> we have more of the nevada caucuses saturday night. tune in for that. that will be, i don't know, 6:00 eastern time it begins, all night tomorrow night. that's all for us now. erin burnett starts "out front right now. >> is it morning in america for president obama? does a blockbuster jobs number foreshadow his election? >> and doping charges and lance armstrong tonight and iran and a warning to israel. let's go "out front." >> i'm erin burnett. "out front" tonight, party like it's 1984. today's job news might start to
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seal the deal for re-election. that's his hope. unemployment in america fell to 8.3% as the country added 343,000 jobs. >> the recovery is speeding up. we've got to do everything in our power to keep it going. >> which reminds us of another president who found himself in a similar situation during his re-election year. >> i am pleased to report that america is much improved. and there's good reason to believe that improvement will phenomenon through the days to come. >> reagan won on this. >> it's morning again in america. today, more men and women will go to work than ever bachelor in our country's history. with interest rates about half the record highs of 1980. >> tonight, we ask a question we asked before when the jobs picture improved the last time
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in our country. the last time when reagan was reelected, the unemployment rate was 8%. compare that to today's 8.3%. by the time the re-election rolled around the unemployment rate for reagan was 7.4% even though it was the highest for an elected president since 1972, voters felt the recovery was in full swing. this president in 2012 still has a tough road ahead. look at the pie of how many people lost their jobs since the recession began. 8.7 million people since 2008. under president obama we have regained 3.2 million of those jobs, about 37% of the pie. it's significant, a trend that if continues could be morning in america for the president. it is not easy. there's a long way go and gop presidential hopefuls are seizing the opportunity to remind him of that.
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>> this has been a tough time. i know the president didn't cause this downturn, this recession. but he didn't make it better either. he made it worse. >> the truth is if it gets better and better between now and the re-election, he will get some credit. on the other hand, if this is a lull before it starts getting worse, his re-election will be in enormous trouble. >> we checked that claim by newt gingrich. it's pretty interesting. i didn't know what we would find but we found more wiggle room for president obama. even though the unemployment rate fell dramatically in 1984, it rose again during the summer. october of '84, the last data voters had a few days before they went in to pull the lever, it wa was higher than in the spring. >> let's bring in our researchers. great to have you with us. pretty interesting as you comb through this data, five months
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in a row of job creation and drop unemployment rate, pretty good for this president in terms of re-election, isn't it? >> lower is always better. that's going in the right direction. that is a positive. if there is a flip side of that coin, reagan won with low 7.4 unemployment rate. bush 41 lost in '92 and carter lost and ford lost with similar types of unemployment rate around 7 1/2%. we had four elections with a 7 handle on unemployment and only one resulted in a re-election. >> you can look at it that way and say you have a 25% chance even if things are improving. jamal, i imagine even though the important doesn't want to sound excited has to be feeling really good. >> he certainly has to be feeling better. everybody in the country should feel better because everything
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is going in the right direction. when i see these numbers in the morning, the question that comes to my mind, what must they be thinking at the romney headquarters? are they celebrating that things are looking up or feeling down? i'm sure they have mixed emotions. it does make it tougher for the republicans to fight back. not only for the president but republicans running for congress they have a case to press with the american people, to help make this recovery stronger or stand in the way of it. i think if republicans are caught standing in this way of it, they'll pay the price in november. >> what do you think? it is possible, the sick thing about unemployment numbers, people who haven't looked for jobs in a while don't count and they start looking and the job market getting better, the unemployment rate ticks up which is what happened to reagan. >> that's absolutely right. that pie chart is a great way to think about it. we had a huge hit to the labor force participation in the
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country, meaning the number of folks actively looking for jobs working, that's still at a really low level in historical terms. it's not ticking up. it ticks up when people are more optimistic about prospects for finding work. in 2011 we had three great months of plus 200,000 job creation. february, march and april and then four months of sub-100,000 jobs a month. that's another thing that could happen. people are predicting we could see gas prices at $5 a gallon, a big wallop to the economy and seasonal adjustment to the unemployment numbers. that still remains to be seen. this is a good sign. the economy is doing better. robust exports and manufacturing. it's still uneven economy. some groups have much higher unemployment than others. >> how much are people moved by headlines of five months in a low, 8.3% going in the right direction opposed to focusing on the fact we could look deeper in
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those numbers and people feel they're underemployed, what a better job or want to work full time and are working part-time, that number is into double digits. >> no doubt it's emotionally driven. the stock market being up 150 dow points today, job numbers, all leads people to think things are getting better. that emotion will drive it. it's right to say participation rate is very low. 1.2 million people have left the workforce all together. if they decide to come back and look for a job, the unemployment rate would spike over 9%. economists would tell you it's a good thing, they're looking for work but a bad thing because it starts heading back up. emotions are working right now because everything is moving in the right direction. >> ironic it could hurt the president. i imagine that would cause great frustration for his re-election
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camp. >> i'm sure it would. it won't feel very good. i always said this from the very beginning and will say it today. this re-election is not a referendum on the president. a choice between barack obama and whoever the republican nominee is, looking at mitt romney. ultimately, look at 1992 and 1980, who is the more optimistic forward-looking sunny faced candidate, reagan in 1980, bill clinton in 1992. i think the president probably will be that person this year because mitt romney frankly has not really done himself any favors with his reputation over the last few months in the campaign. >> bruising battle. some people make the argument, then you're really ready for the final battle and some make the argument you're so bruised you can't fight there. it's interesting. this is a bizarre thing, if you're into omens and stuff, i don't like to admit i am but sometimes i am, we're on this gregoirian calendar, weird thing going on.
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it was this identical calendar. we got a jobs number, election day on the 6th, it will be the exact same way this time, sort of weird. bottom line, people will get a jobs number three days before they go to the polls. >> that will make a big difference as far as how everybody will react and that will make a big number. i'm glad you were talking about the gregoirian calendar and not the myan calendar to make everything meaningless after december. >> that puts a whole new slant on this election. >> there's also all the things about which team wins the world series and how that plays out. >> those ones, fine, those are just like omens. this one, i don't know, maybe there's a little bit more to it. thanks very much to all three of you. we appreciate it. >> thanks, erin. >> thank god i'm not a believer in the myan calendar, try to be more optimistic. breaking news in the doping case against lance armstrong,
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we have breaking news tonight on lance armstrong. a short time ago, the u.s. attorney in las vegas said the federal probe into the biking champion has been closed. just closed after all this. the seven-time tour de france were in and members of his team were under investigation after years of allegations armstrong and his team denied time and again after many years of investiga investigative journalist. jeffrey toobin is here. what does that mean? is it done? >> this is what it means. remember raymond donovan, the secretary of labor under reagan. he was investigated for years. >> going back to the gregoirian calendar. >> he was cleared. he asked a famous question. where do i go to get my reputation back? who do i see about that?
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it's a haunting question for those of us who cover and report all these accusations. lance armstrong has been investigated for years. nothing has come of it. this investigation is over. >> there are people who will always believe he did it and affects his reputation. >> you know what, it's just not fair. this guy is cleared, it's done, over. >> this is not saying he's innocent, didn't have enough facts. >> the justice department never says any is innocent. they don't provide bills of clean health. they say we cannot prove person x did y. the only thing we can say as journalists, the only thing we can conclude is there is nothing there. >> will they apologize to him? >> they don't do apologies. they don't. i'm i'm a former federal prosecutor
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myself. cas cases fall apart for several reasons. think how bad this is for the government. barry bonds, they investigated him for years. tried him. he got 30 days house arrest. the case against roger clemens fell apart. maybe it will be retried, won't. maybe this was not appropriate for criminal penalties. these cases have been disastrous for the government. they need to rethink how they do them. >> i guess he should be celebrating. i'm sure you're right. >> you can never get your reputation fully back. that's too bad. >> jeffrey toobin, thank you very much. >> violence erupting for a second day in egypt. at least seven people killed. more than 2,000 injured as protesters have been clashing with police. the uprising follows a deadly riot after that soccer game wednesday. 79 people were killed. police have been blamed for
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failing to provide any kind of security, stepping back and letting people kill each other with rocks and knives tonight, two american tourists freed. they were kidnapped by a tribal group in egypt. ben wedeman is following these stories in a very busy cairo. i wanted to start with the stories with the two women. what happened to them? >> reporter: they were two women tourists who had gone to st. catherines, next to mount sinai. they were on a bus that was stopped. apparently the kidnappers were looking specifically for americans. they took these two women off the bus and took them away. negotiations quickly began with the egyptian authorities in the area. apparently they wanted to have some of their co-tribesmen
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released or retried. we were told the egyptian authorities promised to do that and therefore the women were released just before sundown here in egypt. they're unharmed and freed now. >> i suppose that's a little bit of good news. you're in cairo tonight. 1400 people injured. 2,000 people around egypt as clashes are more widespread. what is your sense of whether this is under control or spiraling even more out of control right now? >> reporter: certainly here in cairo, it's been going around the clock since yesterday. those clashes continue until now. in fact, just a while ago, the egyptian tax authority building was lit on fire. it's not quite sure how that happened. the clashes continue here and they continue in suez, where we have at least four people killed. now, they've spread to the port
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city of alexand saandria as wel. it's not clear whether they will dissipate or get worse. >> do you have any thoughts of whether is the another revolution you can see the government fall? we started to see parliamentary electric electoral process begin in egypt. could this be derailed? >> reporter: it remines me the morning after hosni mubarak resigned. there was banner headlines that the people toppled the regime. what they realize is getting rid of him was not toppling the regime, removing the facade. things that make people gri like the interior ministry and police brutality and corruption, they want to see fundamental change. until that happens, this kind of unrest, whether sparked by
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football or something else is inevitable, it's going to continue. >> ben wedeman, thanks very much, reporting from cairo, late on a friday night. still to come "out front," escalation between israel and iran, one calling the other a cancer today. now, specific looks at the scenarios. how many planes does israel have? what routes could they fly? how big are their bombs? what could they really do? we looked. we have the maps and the numbers. we will tell you about it. next, the weather does a number on air travel, plus drones watching new york city? ♪ that right now, you want to know where you are, and where you'd like to be. we know you'd like to see the same information your advisor does so you can get a deeper understanding of what's going on with your portfolio. we know all this because we asked you, and what we heard helped us create pnc wealth insight, a smarter way to work with your pnc advisor,
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so it's been an unusually warm winter so far for pretty much everyone across the country. just when ski bums around the country finally had their prayers answered, fresh powder and snow out west. there's a problem. their trips are getting canceled. if you headed to the rockies, you had a big problem. you actually got the storm you're looking for. with over 9 inches and counting, over 600 flights were cancelled due to the snow. as our boss said, wow, a lot of flights going in and out of denver. people didn't necessarily expect that many flights going in and out of denver. there are. a lot of problems at that
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airport. which brings us to tonight's number. 19, the number in thousands of airplanes that can be in the air at the same time at any given time around the world. take a look at this animation. this is pretty cool. this shows time elapsed flight patterns over the united states from 8:00 a.m. to 1:00 p.m. so you can see it heat up on the east and move west. it's neat and actually kind of terrifying. when you are in one of those planes and you look out your window mid-flight. what makes you more scared the fact that you know there are thousands of planes out there and what is more scary the fact that it's one level below you or you should see more? with 19,000 planes in the air at the same time, maybe you would feel more comfortable to see some of them flying around. hmm. that's tonight's number. still "out front," the out front five, israel strike. >> dealing with an anywhere iran
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we start the second half of our show with stories we care
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about. number one, the u.s. economya d added 243,000 jobs in february. unemployment down in the fifth month running of a drop. that was much better than expected. stocks surged as a result. all three majors averages up by more than a percent. nasdaq, levels not seen since december in the year 2000. number two, the fbi has launched a criminal investigation after confirming a hacking group recorded a call between the fbi and scotland yard. a law enforcement official tells us the conversation was recorded after an e-mail about the conference call was intercepted. the call was placed two weeks ago and involved an investigation into a hacking gro group. the official added no fbi computers were hacked. they are accused of hacking three websites run by the british government. following public outrage,
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the susan g. komen foundation back tracked today and reinstated funding to planned parent head. we want to i apologize to the american public for recent decisions that cast doubt upon our commitment to our mission of saving women's lives. they said the decision came from a policy change, not because planned parenthood performs abortions as some have suggested. they used the grants to provide 170,000 breast exams for women who couldn't provide them otherwise. the services industry, the largest part of the american economy is growing more quickly than other people thought. one analyst said they thought the uptick in hiring could be because of the unseasonably warm winter. a plus side to global warming and the survey found prices going up, good for businesses,
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bad for consumers, right now having no inflation means no wage growth either. it's been 182 days since the u.s. lost its top credit rating. >> what are we doing to get it back? "out front" tonight, rising tensions between israel and iran. if you believe the dangerous rhetoric which has been flying around, a military confrontation appears all but certain and soon. a showdown washington and the entire world are watching. today, israel's defense minister said the standoff is entering a quote fateful period, comparing it to the time before the 1967 arab war where israel bombed several nations in just days. leon panetta back home predicting there is a strong likelihood israel will strike iran's nuclear facilities this spring. david is out front at jerusalem. good to see you.
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iran's supreme leader lashing out at israel calling israel a quote cancer. what has been the reaction today? >> reporter: this is a cycle of rhetoric going on between israel, iran, israel and the u.s. effectively, what we've seen in the last few weeks, erin, everyday, it seems, in the paper, on the street, from the words of the mouths of the leaders here is not taking this strike off the table against iran. whether this is rhetoric used to push forward diplomatic sanctions against iran or whether israeli leaders really believe they are under threat, it remains to be seen. it's dangerous talk and people worry israel might be painting itself into a corner. >> do israelis believe war is imminent or is the common perception, as you said, a cycle, although an escalating cycle of rhetoric? >> reporter: that's a great way to put it.
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escalating cycle. some weeks ago, the defense minister said any strike was way into the distant future and now talking about it as though it's an imminent thing. i think israelis are a little bit more cynical. people have spoken they're worried about iran, the threat iran might pose, but they do know this is a game on some level being played, a very deadly game. they are used to threats in israel. this threat is being spoken of more seriously than a previous threat. there is a sense of real publolc going on. one thing israelis tell us, if there is a strike, you won't know about it. no one will speak about it, it will happen and take everyone by surprise. that's what the u.s., the strongest ally of israelis is most worried about. >> thank you very much. you hear david talking about it, rhetoric, warnings, threats.
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what would happen if the war of words does in fact lead to an israeli strike. tonight, we will play out a few scenarios how an attack might unfold coming from the leader of intelligence from international studies, a details study on possible strike from silver on iran's nuclear facilities. they would choos from thrchoose three routes, northern, central and southern route. the route along the turkish border build be the most ideal. considering refueling and distance to targets, still a high risk proposition if you didn't have a gauarantee assurance of success. now, we want to show you the targets from this study, three key targets cited, uranium enrich me enrichment facility.
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in arak, how that is spelled and then a nuclear research center. keep that up. the study says it would like ly require warheads of 2,000 pounds along with a bunker buster bomb of 5,000 pounds. the united states has been prepa preparing a bune ing ing a bunk. iran could have secret locations in other places but significantly well below the ground. good to have you with us, colonel, appreciate you taking the time. >> sure. >> looking at the three locations the israelis could bomb, the first obvious question is, are those really the three right places and are those the
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three routes? >> those seem to be the basic three routes. as far as places, you have to look at different areas iranians have used. when you look at arak and natanz and esfahan, those they are using for their uranium efforts and there are other sites near the southern part of iran and close to bushir, that may be on a target list for this type of activity. going back to the routes, as far as northern central or southern routes, i do agree the northern route is probably one of the best routes that could be used for us but a lot depends where radar coverage is. that's what they're going to be looking at when they do this type of operational planning? what about payload? we talk about these massive
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ordinance bombs. a 5,000 pound bomb is what israel would have and use, intended to slow down to do destruction. we've been talking about how the united states, for the purpose of trying to take away iran's anywhere capability might need a bomb of 30,000 pounds payload. does israel have what it needs? >> maybe not. a 5,000 pound bomb is a pretty destructive bomb and depends on the target you're going after. for a very hardened and deeply buried target, you need something at least 5,000 pounds and the higher the better at these cases. at a certain point you get to a point of diminishing returns. the 30,000 pound bomb is design god after targets very deep underground, that have a lot of concrete between themselves and the important parts of that installation. they're also, quite frankly, designed to go after north
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korean targets and both iran and north korea have had a lot of practice keeping their target areas safe, where we consider target areas. >> what's the bottom line, colonel? do you think israel will attack and if so, is it possible they will do so in secret, do some damage to iran. iran wouldn't want to talk about it and don't want to go to war and it wouldn't be enough to end their anywhere program, set it back a little bit. is that a possible scenario or no scenario that doesn't lead to a full war? >> it is a possible scenario. if you are going to have an attack, there are certain precedents. the israeli attack against iraq in 1981 and the israeli attack against a syrian nuclear facility in 2007. the syrian one especially was kept very secret. the iranians may, however, in this particular case, because the whole environment we're dealing with is a very heated environment, i think it will be much more out in the open and the iranians will feel a
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national pride that will require them to respond to an israeli attack and that's where the danger comes in. >> thank you. we'll have a lot more on monday from some israeli specialists. >> you bet. we have breaking news. coming in here on my blackberry on cnn. cyc cyclist lance armstrong has released a response to the justice department closing the doping investigation against him late this afternoon. armstrong said, i quote, i'm gratified to learn that the u.s. attorney's office is closing its investigation. its the right decision. i commend them for reaching it. i look forward to continuing my life as a father, a competitor and advocate in this fight against cancer without this distraction. jeff toobin said earlier, reputational damage, how he can fully recover from that. something he is happy about. up next, ron paul responding to accusation hes could hu
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on the eve of the nevada caucuses, mitt romney is holding a double digit lead over newt gingrich, 45-25 on the latest poll that we have here.
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ron paul skip ed tped the prima focus on nevada at 9%. it raises questions on his strategy. paul is pinning his hopes on states like nevada, caucus states, colorado and washington. and there are 28 delegates up for grabs tomorrow. while paul's approach may not be enough to help him win the nomination, he told piers morgan he is not giving up. >> a lot of the candidates are coming and going, peak up and then they're gone. we did have nine, we're down to four right now. the one characteristic of our campaign is it is steady growth. >> is that growth large enough to stay in the race? if it isn't, who will his supporters back? because they are really really passionate. leslie sanchez is a republican strategist, ran paul's revolution, the man and the movement he inspired.
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he has inspired a movement. mitt romney, 85 delegates, newt gingrich, 27, paul in third with 10 delegates. i know he's making this bet on caucus states and places where he gets proportional awarding of the delegates. even if he wins all of those states he wants to win, 160 delegates out of the 1,144 he needs. >> no doubt about that. let's not discount exactly what you talked about. the passion, momentum. it's a transformational election, especially for the people involved. if you really look at the ron paul voters, these are disaffected voters. they didn't like the system to begin with anyway. in many ways it is more t theoretical than political. you did not see these people as state party chairmans moving up within the ranks of the political system. i honestly believe they're following the momentum of ron paul. when he moves on, assuming he decided to fall behind who the
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eventual gop nominee is, there's no guarantee those voters are going to go with him. >> let me ask you that question. there is passion. at the university of north florida in jacksonville, the ron paul supporters, they're so passionate. they're young and really care. when you put the question, if not your guy, then who? i'm out or i will write him in. they don't say, i will go behind the eventual nominee like a traditional or older voter will do. where do these voters go? >> what you're pointing out is the reason the republican party needs to basically be nicer to ron paul than they were last time if ron paul doesn't end up being the nominee. what you pointed out is exactly true. ron paul people are not from some other part of the republican party, people largely drawn from that unsung near majority of americans, 40-50% who don't vote at all even in most presidential elections and
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probably where most will go again. if the republican party shows respect for them and ron paul's ideas and ron paul's people, i think they will start to have the role the gold water people did in 1960 did. the people who seemed like out-siders, radically anti-state but will shape the future of the party if the party doesn't drive them away. >> speaking to newt gingrich in south carolina, he said he was trying to find a special role for ron paul. he wasn't implying vp and mitt romney, now, there's reports mitt romney's wife and ron paul's wife have become friendly and reports they're coordinating things like when they appear in the press. what if anything would get ron paul on board if mitt romney ends up being the nominee with a mitt romney? is there anything or is that sort of anti-ethical to who he is, to being a movement to saying things line "end the fed." >> if ron paul is not the
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candidate, i'd be very surprised to see him actually endorse mitt romney. but there's a level at which he might not go after him as much as others because mitt romney is not going to come around on ron paul's foreign policy issues. he may come around a bit on the federal reserve stuff. he may become stronger on statements of how much he'll cut spending. i think ron paul would be seen as a bit of a sellout if he endorsed mitt romney without mitt romney becoming a lot more like ron paul, which is unlikely. >> i think that's fair to say. all right. thanks so much to both of you. have a great weekend. we'll see what happened in nevada. let's check in with anderson cooper. what do you have? >> we begin with breaking news. we just got off a satellite of a man desperate for the world to pay attention to what happened in syria. 200 people kindle the last three hours. there is an intense bombardment by syrian forces ah against a
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civilian area. you will hear his desperate plea 12 minutes from now n. i urge you to watch that at the much to the hour and on the story that gets more troubling by the day. more than 200 people pardoned in mississippi. the lack of answers and lack of transparency about the whole thing. former governor barbour is still not talking, still trying to find him. the story is troubling. we're going to talk to the mom of a woman killed in a car crash. the man also involved in the crash driving drunk. it was his fourth dui. the governor pardoned him without knowing about the fourth dui. 61-year-old mark berndt spent half his life as a teacher. take a look at that man. he's in jail. we'll tell you why and how the system failed hundreds of kids in los angeles and why he is in jail and parents should know what he has done and is accused
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of having done. financial troubles. another woman and hit man for hire, allegations concerning the death of a michigan woman. we've been covering this. 56-year-old jane found strangld in the back seat of her mercedes. there are no charges but questions are increasing about her husband's side of the story and a handy man who worked for him named joseph jens. he was held 72 hours and was released this evening. paul cowan is a defense attorney. sunny, talking about whether the husband could have done it and paul not thinking he was involved. what did you find out today? there was something bizarre that added another layer to the story. >> every day something crazy develops in the case. now a dom ninatrix, s & m mistrs
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said he's a regular at s & m clubs and now a mistress has been added to the mix which adds to the motive to kill his wife. you and i were discussing it. everyone said this man is an upstanding citizen. he loved his wife of 26 years. he could never do something like this. >> you don't know what people in rotary are doing at all times. >> alternative lifestyle. did his wife know about it? i say motive for murder? sure thing. >> you know, i hate to throw this on the table. the murder is so bizarre. the wife being strangled. could it be an accident in terms of s & m activity? i'm not saying because we don't know what the police are
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investigating. some homeless hit man she thought was the murderer was released by the police this time. >> i never thought that was the murderer. i think the police are taking their time to investigate the case. it's only been under two weeks. we don't want to rush to judgment. let's face it. he's the only person of interest. even though they have a handy man that's come forward the police aren't changing their tune. that tells me something. >> what about this handyman who supposedly came in and said, look, bob gave me a couple thousand to kill his wife. ba i bashar's attorney said he keeps changing his story. listen to what the lawyer said. >> the more times you question him, the more ammunition you're giving to me to cross examine him and tear him apart on the witness stand. so if you've got a good witness you interview them one time.
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>> is he right? >> no. he's absolutely wrong. this guy is an experienced prosecutor, but he's a federal prosecutor formerly. you would think he would do and say the right thing. you seek the truth, if you're a prosecutor. if you have to interview somebody 20 times to get the truth you interview them 20 times. i disagree with that. >> we agree on something for a change. bottom line is you should interview your witnesses once, twice, as many times as you need to to get to the truth. that's clearly what they are doing. perhaps they have bigger fish to fry. that tells me in my experience they are still looking at someone else. >> all right. if that someone else is bob bashar or something else. his lawyer did speak for about an hour. that seems unusual. >> he's trying his case in the media. it's posturing and it tells me he's afraid for his client. >> i think it's dangerous also.
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frankly, when you are defending in a case like this early in the investigation your lawyer's talking for an hour. he may be revealing things to help the prosecutor make the case. he's treating it like a public relations exercise. it's a big mistake in a murder exercise. >> you see more lawyers doing it. sandusky's lawyer. >> he's following the sandusky path. i don't think it will go well for his client. i'm trying to defend big bob here. we'll see. >> the story got more scintillating. >> we'll see where the s & m angle takes it. >> i'm sure we'll hear more about it. out front next, the art of surveillance and drones watching us tonight. toward accomplishing something is showing up. [ thunder crashes ] and with the most advanced all-wheel-drive system in its class that adapts to conditions as they change, now all you have to worry about
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