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the world's fourth biggest stash of crude, could be disrunted. if they made good on their promise to halt the crude, it would hurt consumers around the world. jim beonco said it would send the united states into another recession with gas prices possibly hitting $4.75 a gallon. the move would also devastate iran. sources tell us 80% of that nation's economy is linked to oil and natural gas. will iran do this, will it come to this? mayor rudy jewgiuliani was mayon new york on 9/11. let me start with the rhetoric. do you think it's going to get to point where iran feels threatened enough to shut off the crude oil? >> i do. i'm not sure they will because it has a devastating impact on them. they're vargood at threatening.

the threat you have to take as a real 1, and as we ratchet up the pressure on them, they may very well take the step to see what kind of pressure they can put on us. and we're going to have to be ready for it. the reality is we have to look at the bigger picturpicture. a much more danger, bigger situation would be a nuclear capable iran. and that would be a couple decade long problem with nuclear weapons in the hands of irrational crazy people which was the night mare of the cold war. >> let's take a step back. they feel threatened, they say they're going to close the oil. you can see how this becomes self-fulfilling. but is a lot of this still beating the drum? it's election year. last election year, john mccain, bomb bomb iran. hillary clinton was talking tough. the president has talked tough, the media has talked a lot about it, the candidates. is this rhetoric? everyone is hot and bothered? >> yes, it's jacked up 20

degrees, 30 degrees, but it's also real. >> it is real. >> a nonelection year or next year when obama is president or romney or santorum, the issue will still be there because this country seems to be determined to be a nuclear power, and they have made statements that indicate they're crazy and irrational. they want to destroy israel. they set off the scheme to have the saudi arabia ambassador killed on the streets of washington. looks like they're killing people around the world, they have killed americans around the world, american soldiers in iraq. this is a truly dangerous regime, a real issue. >> how would we know how close iran is to getting a nuclear weapon? how do we evaluate such a thing? intent is one thing, being on the process is a totally different thing? >> i don't think it's a 100% accurate sienls. it's a lot of intelligence, a lot of reliance on israeli

intelligence, a lot of reliance on middle eastern intelligence. a lot of countries come out and hate iran. you look at wikileaks and saudi arabia, they were going to kill the saudi arabia ambassador, they probably have killed some saudi diplomats already. we get a lot of information behind the scenes. i think we would have a good indication they're nuclear capable. >> here is the question because people are looking back in washington and around the country, polls say americans don't want a nuclear iran. but it feels in a lot of ways like iraq. they have this, they want to do this. we went in last time on that. it was bad intelligence, and a lot of americans think it was a huge mistake. eventually, is the united states -- the people going to have to take it on face that if america strikes they strike without knowing what they have. >> president obama has made this more difficult by being such a weekling with irob. he writes a letter to the

ayatollah asking him to talk to him. that's absurd, like write agletter to hitler. that's nuts. instead, what he should be doing is convincing the iranians that's he's serious, if he had to, he would bomb the hell out of them. and they should believe this. in fact, the best way he's going to avoid bombing them is convincing them in their heads that he's capable of doing it. >> but, say he did that, let's say he did that. then iran looks at this. a trillion dollars being cut from the defense budget and the american people who are tired of war. a country that spent a trillion in iraq and afghanistan. >> maybe it's a president without a strategy. ronald reagan wanted to destroy the soviet union. what did he do? not reduce the military by 20%? he increased it by 20 pes. he convinced the russians and soviets that he might bomb them,

then lee leaks statements like make my day, and you look at the biographies of that day, even gorbachev who said ronald reagan spent us into oblivion. those people in the soviet union had no idea what he was going to do. this president has given away all leverage by begging to negotiate. you know who said that? four years ago who predicted this, hillary clinton at the debate when he said i'll talk to them, i'll negotiate. she said, irresponsible, immature, and danger. >> see if you can explain on the president's changing tone on iran. in november, i was in the united emirates when the u.s. drone went down. it was a big story then. the president said, quote, we have asked for it back. we'll see how the iranians respond. >> please give us back the drone, mr. ayatollah. please give me the drone back. >> he got tougher. here he is at the super bowl. >> really tough.

>> we're not going to take any options off the table, and i have been very clear that we're going to do everything we can to prevent iran from getting a nuclear weapon and creating an arms race, a nuclear arms race in a volatile region. >> here are the words that have to come out of his mouth, if i have to, i'm prepared to bomb him. like euphinism. options on the table. you can't say the words, bomb them. we need a president who says bomb them, and actually will if he has to protect us, and most importantly, they have to believe that our president will do that to them. all of a sudden, that will change. we're the largest military in the entire world. they're a small, tiny, little military power compared to us. it's are ridiculous they're pushing us around this way. it's because we have a president with no idea how to exercise leadership. >> couldn't it potentially escalate. some might say it's irresponsible to bomb another country?

>> i'm using their administration. they had this case in washington in which the iranian government paid money to have the saudi arabia ambassador killed. i don't understand how the head of the joint chiefs of staff can say he's a reactor when he says that, i can't think what he says of that. they're not irrational actor. they want to destroy the holocaust, destroy israel, and kill the saudi arabia ambassador in the middle of our capital. how about we take them at their word? they're crazy. they held american hostages. they would be prepared to dathat again. this has already escalated. >> you don't think sanctions would work? they seem to be crippling. people were complaining that food prices were going up because of the sanctions. >> in the history of diplomating affa affairs, they have worked and not worked. if sanctions were backed up by a credible possibility that the american military would be engaged and destroy their

nuclear facilities, they would be more effective. >> final question on iran, what about just letting them get a nuke? >> here are two reasons why. the irrational part i told you about, the nightmare of the cold war, having nuclear weapons. secondly, iran's propensity for supporting terrorism. they don't have to attack us. they can hand off the nuclear material to terrorists. they could arrange much more effectively what they tried to do in washington, d.c. except it could be a nuke ler weapon and set it off in london, in paris, in new york, and lie about it. they are very good at lying. they're killing israelis right now and lying about it. so they are supplying terrorists with weapons. these people now have nuclear stuff, and they think they can give that to terrorists and lie their way out of it because america needs proof beyond any reasonable doubt before they do anything because we have a president that won't act. >> will you endorse by the election or tonight?

>> i won't do it tonight. i'm in a state of confusion about who to endorse. like a lot of other republicans, i like some things, i don't like other things, but i will do that. >> are you concerned about a rick santorum. you're a pro-choice republican. he said not in the case of rape or incest? >> i supported him when he ran for senate, he supported me when i ran for mayor. i like rick's approach to the foreign policy and the economy. we have big differences on social issue. that's why i'm a moderate republican. that's why i couldn't get nominated if i ran. >> are you concerned that's a problem for the republican party and opening the door for a third party to come in? >> absolutely. how do we get back to the northeast as a voting bloc when we seem to be not modern enough on social issues. i'm not just talking ability abortion. >> chris christie, let's take

him on gun control. this area, pro gun control. that's a problem on a broader ticket, right? >> the biggest problem, abortion, you can work out. i don't like abortion. i would rarthd not see abortions. i would like to work to reduce abortions. i think a woman has a right. i think the gay rights issue is a more current one right now. i think that beyond all of the religious and social parts of it, it makes the party look like it isn't a modern party. it doesn't understand the modern world that we live on. >> should they say it's up to individu individuals? >> how about it's up to states? states rights parties, let states decide what they want and different states will have different conclusions about this. >> thank you very much. good to see you. brought up gay marriage. we're going to have more on that in a moment. and the dramaticent to the trial of a man accused of murdering his wife on the

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now. the maryland state senate just approving a bill to allow gay marriage. it's the eighth state to do so. obviously, very relevant in light of what we heard mayor giuliani say. john avlon joins us now. david frahm also joins us and jonathan cowin. great to have all of you with us. david, a quote here from rudy jewel anna. issues by gay marriage make the republican party look like it isn't a modern party. let the states decide? >> he's oith about his fears. they're powerful in the past ten days where republicans have wasted so much time in the debate about contraception. the contraception argument is even more painful than the abortion and gay rights argument. it's painful not just because of the threat it expresses toward the liberty of people and women especially, but because if the polls are right, about 30% of young americans have postponed

having a child they want because of these hard times. so it's not that people are using contraception in order to have a party. they're using contraception because they face a bleak economic future, and they want children and are postponing them, and republicans are debating not the bleak economic future that causes children to be postponed but the contraception they use to postpone it. >> contraception is a key point. we played this going into commercial. governor chris christie tangi tangingal with a washington post columnist. >> the president and the justice department have made it clear that they believe that the so-called defensive marriage act is unconstitutional. they're not supporting it in any of the court cases going through the federal court system. as president of the united states, would you support that? >> he told the lawyers -- >> would you support that? would you support that? >> first of all, i used to be a

prosecutor, i don't know if you did, too, but i'm not going to be cross-examined by you. >> i'm having fun trying. >> but you're going to lose. >> i would love you to answer the question. >> let's have the president of the united states show courage, look in the camera and state his position. he wont because he wants to have it both ways. i vetoed the bill. >> jonathan, let me ask you this question, does chris christie have a point? the president said originally marriage is between a man and a woman. now he says his views are evolving? ? no, he has a lot of great things about him, but in this instance, it's being ridiculous. first of all, the president of the united states has made very clear that he supports repeal of doma, that's a huge deal. seco secondly, he said my position is evolving because he understands what giuliani said earlier on the show, that americans want to allow gay couples to make the same commitment that every other couple makes.

that's the modern position and one that both parties should take. governor christie -- >> it is different than the term marriage. is he dodging the term of marriage? >> no, the president has been clear about this. he said i support repeal of doma which is a huge deal and a major step in the road of getting gay marriage in the country, but he doesn't currently support marriage. the president and governor christie are wrong about that, but governor cuomo, governor o'mall o'malley, and others are right about it. the future of this country, governor -- mayor giuliani is right, the future is going to be we're on a journey where most states if not all states ultimately have marriage for gay couples. that's because allowing people to make that commitment is exactly the right thing to do. >> the challenge that rudy set out was for the republican party to modernize. he represented a brand of urban republicans. the big question is are we going to advance the rhetoric, the ideals of expanding freedom

everyplace except in people's personality lives? that's untenable. whether it's the state by state solution or rebuilding the big tent to allow for ideology in the party, that's expanding the map. you got new york republicans, northeast republicans. >> he talked about losing the northeast. >> that's right. >> the president today mocked republicans. i wanted to talk about energy. the president talking about hiss energy plan and mocking theroomtheroom republicans for making gas prices at the pump a campaign issue. >> last week, the lead story in one news paper said gasoline prices are on the rise, and republicans are licking their chops. that's a quote. that was the lead. licking their chops. only in politics do people root for bad news. >> all right, here's president obama back in st. louis, missouri, on june 11th, 2008,

talking about his rival for the presidency, john mccain. >> when we're paying more than $4 a gallon of gas, the man who railed for government spending wants to spend $1.2 billion on a tax break for exxonmobil. that's not just irresponsible, it's outrageous. >> what do you say, jonathan? >> well, look, somebody on your team does excellent research at putting those clips together. >> yes, they do. >> i'm sure the white house doesn't love your research staff. that said, look, every political party, whenever gas prices are going up, and they're the nonincumbent party, they make an issue of this, and in the end, presidential elections aren't just decided on gas prices. for two reasons, it's only one of many indicators about the state of the economy, and traditionally, in the last decade, gas prices spike in the summer and start to comr down in the fall, so there will almost

certainly be a downward trend on the gas prices taking them off the table. >> did he have points on the energy plan? these are points he made before. he wants more alternative energy, he's not in love with drilling. there's nothing quote/unquote new. >> they're expanding drills in the atlantic, a new deal with mexico, it's a step toward what john mccain called the all of the above approach. we don't fight it with one hand tied behind our back. the idea of it, becoming less independent on foreign oil is important. >> and david y was joking today that every energy plan in recent american history has been a eunuch energy plan. how many sound bites can you pull from reagan to carter to joesh bush saying we're going to be energy nment, and then it never happens? >> energy brings out the worst in president obama. it's one of the places where

he's most foggy in his thinking and most deceptive in his practice. the united states has made tremendous progress. in the year 1995, americans used less oil than they did in the year 1978. not less oil per person, not per car, less oil. there's a big decline in oil use, not big, real decline in oil use over that period. oil use is sensitive to price. for the president on the one hand to say it's -- me, i love low gasoline prices. and at the same time, to say, i want to move away from oil, the thing that moves you off oil is high prices. that's what the president's policy is. he prendz that with government grants, he can invent a magic motor that will deliver some alternative energy that is cheemer than gasoline, oil is the cheapest fuel there is, oil and coal. if you don't want to use them, you're going to have to pay more. and having a carbon free economy, having energy

independent, that means paying more. >> that's true -- >> he won't say that. he says the opposite. >> to be fair, right, if he puts out something that would encourage development of alternative energy, doesn't say i'm going to encourage algae versus wind mills, you're right, they're all more expensive, but if you subsidize them, they'll get cheaper and cheaper. >> that may be true, it may be wrong. the government makes a terrible venture capitalist. if you want to get off oil, you tax the stuff, make people pay more. >> more tax at the gas pump. >> i don't agree with david's premise. the president's thinking on this is not foggy. it's crystal clear. there's more drilling going on now. he's articulate in all of the above strategy. they made serious investments in clean energy, some of which are going to pay off in the long run. they have set high standards to

raise the miles per gallon. this has been a centerpiece of their administration. they have taken it head on. we made no progress under bush for eight years. we're starting to move in the right direction. the president's think sg spot on. >> one of the signs that silly season is upon us is we have presidential candidates promising to return gas to $2.50. >> are you referring to gingrich? >> yes, when there's that kind of naked pander, it's predictable, and it's absolutely you can't back it up. >> a naked pander bear. we're smarter than that. >> there are three things we want, cheap energy, we want clean energy, and we want secure energy. you can have any two, but no more than two. you can't have three. and if the president is not foggy, then i'm afraid he's being deceptive because he implies you can have three and you can't. choose your two, choose your priority and accept that means

the third falls off the table. >> all right, well, thanks very much to all three of you. we appreciate it. we'll see what will happen on the gay marriage issue. it's going do become more and more important as the candidates continue to go down the path to the nomination. >> a surprise move by the judge in the trial of a man accused of killing his wife on their honeymoon. >> and the nhl is it responsible for the suicide of a former player? the family says yez and they have filed a lawsuit against the league. they're outfront tonight. a new . some nylons. and what girl wouldn't need new shoes? we talked about getting a diamond. but with all the thank you points i've been earning... ♪ ...i flew us to the rock i really had in mind. ♪ [ male announcer ] the citi thank you card. earn points you can use for travel on any airline, with no blackout dates. when i think about how lucky i am that i've had a pur water filter remove 99% of lead

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we start the second half of the show with stories we care about, where we focus on our own reporting, do the report and find the "outfront five." >> first, iran, mayor giuliani joined us for an interview. he has been sharply critical of the obama administration's handling of iran. >> it's rhetoric and it's jacked up 20 degrees, thirbt degrees, but it's also real. >> it's real? >> if this were a nonelection or next year when obama is president or romney or santorum, the issue will still be there because this country seems to be determined to become a nuclear power, and they have made statements that indicate that they are crazy and irrational. >> u.s. and north korea and envoyed met in beijing today. they have been extended into a second day. this is the first time officials have met since the death of kim jong-il. one of the topics being

discussed is food aide. gordon chang takes on the world, tells out front north korea want that food aide and that why talks have been extended. >> hugo chavez's help is raising questions over his ability to seek re-election. he announced he's headed to cuba to underco surgery to remove a lesion. one he said himself is likely to be muligiant. they tell outfront if his health were to force him from power or if he were to die before election, the regime would be mortally weakened and if the it democratic opposition took power, they would restore relations with the united states immediately. >> the obama administration is defending the killing of american terrorists. pentagon general counsel jay johnson defending the actions citing a 2004 supreme court decision. i had a chance to ask leon panetta about killing a

terrorist. the american citizen killed by a drone in yemen who was an american citizen. >> if you're a terrorist, you're a terrorist. and that means that we have to ability to go after those who would threaten to attack the united states and kill americans. there's no question that the authority and the ability to go after a terrorist is there. >> it has been 202 days since the united states lost its top credit rating. what are we doing to get it back? jobless claims were unchanged today, but the four-week moving arg, that's the real indicator of a job market in the country, the lowest level since march 2008. >> the family of nfl great dave duerson filed a lawsuit holding the league responsible for his shocking suicide last year. he shot himself in the chest, and before he took his wife, he

sent a text message to his ex-wife, asking her to donate his brain to science. the lawsuit alleges that they knew that the repeated body blows suffered from duerson while he played for the giants, the bears, the cardinals ledz to the brain damage that led to his death. duerson's son who is filing the lawsuit, says that what the doctors found in his father's brain proved the link between his death and the injuries he received while playing in the nfl. we're outfront exclusively tonight. thank you both for being with us. i wanted to start with you. the story about your father is a very disturbing story. for everyone to hear. what did you find out about your father's brain? >> well, boston university provided the findings on their study of my dad's brain in early may. through those findings, they concluded he had chronic

emfulepathy. which is caused by respete eress to the head. >> how did it change the person he was? >> they were able to conclude they thought the disease took effect around the age of 40 and there was a slow deterioration process where it withered him away to the man he was at 50. what we know we saw as a family was his temperament changed. he easily was risen to anger. he had troubles with short-term memory and he had blurred vision problems and spelling issues. >> the lawsuit against the nfl says, and i want to read it, quote, alleges that the nfl quote embarked on a propaganda scheme designed to mislead players and retires. what does that mean? >> in 1994, the nfl created a

committee, a committee of five fusitions known as the mild traumatic brain injaerj committee, and they published and stated publicly there is no linkage between hits that one takes during an nfl career and later life cognitive or mental health issues. this statement and this propaganda scheme is directly contrary to absolutely everything that knowledgeable physicians were publishing on the topic. and the nfl has been said to be engaging in a scheme similar to what the tobacco industry engaged in in saying that smoking does not cause lung cancer, for years and years and years, this misinformation campaign was absolutely blatantly wrong, and as a result, dave duerson did not

seek the appropriate medical care and counseling that candidly would have saved his life. >> it seems like a lot of people are wondering whether football, the way it is played, is something where these head injuries could be prevented. i want to note for viewers, we called the nfl. they said they hadn't seen the lawsuit yet, your lawsuit, so they couldn't give us a comment on their direct response, but you, i know, were a former football player. you played at notre dame. what is your feeling on the issue, that it goes along with the game, that you're going to get these serious injuries? >> i think the game is inherently dangerous and inherently aggressive, and concussions are part of the game, but with the proper procedures and policies in place, we can reduce the amount of concautiussions and also red the amount of times players are hit when they're most vulnerable, that when they have sustained a concussion in the past and did not give themselves enough time to heal before

returning to play. and perhaps sustaining another concussion, which leaves them vulnerable to the developing the disease. >> that's really -- i'm sorry, that's a by-product of this lawsuit. that hopefully it will raise awareness to the millions of kids that play youth football, the millions of kids that play high school football, the hundreds of thousands of kids that play college football, and nfl players, that they need to take the injuries very, very seriously, and allow their brains to recover before they continue to play. >> all right, well thanks very much to both of you. we appreciate your being with us. >> a judge has made a surprising move in the case of a man accused of killing his wife on their money moon, next. the next i'm saying... i have this thing called psoriatic arthritis. it progressively got worse. my rheumatologist told me about enbrel. i'm surprised how quickly my symptoms have been managed. [ male announcer ] because enbrel suppresses your immune system,

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so a dramaticened to a murder trial. this is the trial of gabe watson, an alabama man accused of killing his wife while they were honeymooning. the case was thrown out today, the judge ruling there was a lack of evidence. paul and sunny are here. a high profile trial. we were covering this on the case. the judge said the prosecution had no case. you feel vindicated. >> i do. the judge, tommy nail, tough former prosecutor, a lot of integrity. i think the prosecutor in this case never saw this coming, but

the judge said, hey, where's the motive? you're trying to introduce evidence of motive that doesn't exist. >> but the prosecutor never has to prove motive in a murder case. you know that. it's never an element of the crime. >> this is what they did, and this was amazing. the prosecutor tried to prove that watson took an engagement ring off the body of his wife in the funeral home, and the judge said, wait a minute, i did the same thing with my grandmother. was he supposed to bury his wife with the engagement ring on? >> this is why this is so remarkable, erin. these motions for judgment of acquittal are prefunkry. the defense attorney made that motion. they're always denied. rarely granted. and the standard is you have to look at the evidence in the light most favorable to the government. draw lg of the infrnlss in favor of the government, and that's a very high standard. i think that this case should have just gone to the jury. that's our system, and so when you look at the prosecutor in

this case, when you hear him, she is shehe is shell shocked because it never happens and i don't think it should have happened. >> what evidence was there to go to the jury. here are the two motives -- >> take the motive off. >> the insurance policy, which was in the father's name. he never inherited the insurance policy. how does it take place? there were no eyewitnesses. they tried to do a re-enactment. where is the proof? >> there were a lot of rulings that weren't in favor of the government. >> where is the proof in the end? >> there were diving experts. >> who said what? a person who is a diver, a rescue diver, should have known better. there were pictures, we have shown the pictures. >> he served time for that. >> and he admitted to negligence. he admitted to taking part in her death. >> not to an intentional murder. >> that's right. >> but it's remarkable, extraordinary. this just doesn't happen.

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now to syria where opposition groups are claiming more than 100 people died today. the united nations today ratcheted up the pressure, accusing the highest levels of the syrian government of committing crimes against humanity. one man suspected of being on the list is syrian president bashar al assad. who is that man there? who is bashar al assad? dr. gerajerrold post is considea founding father in clinical psychology. thank you for being with us. bashar al assad became the heir apparent to his father unexpectedly. his older brother died in a car accident. how did that play in a role in who he is and how he's leading right now? >> he never expected to be the leader of iraq. in fact, he was unpost graduate training in opthumology in london when his brother died and

his father summoned him back. his older brother was this charismatic macho person who loved fast cars, was a womanizer. in contrast, bashar was a rather soft, gentle man. and it was widely, widely concerned with the fact of could he stand in his giant father's shoes? >> i'm curious, in a recent interview, bashar al assad said the military forces are actually not his forces and that he doesn't own the country. a lot of people have dismissed that as complete and utter bs. you're saying there could be some truth to it. >> yes, in many ways, it may be his younger brother who is much more like his older brother, bazil, who is in fact directing the extent of the brutality against the syrian citizens.

it may be his father had him as the civil face of the government and leaving the power with his younger brother. >> his younger brother is head of the republican guard, right? >> that's correct, that's correct. and it would be a historical analogy, his father, a brutal man, the extent of the violence in homa, where some 10s of 20,000 people were eliminated, probably was carried out by his younger brother, rifa, so there is this historical parallel. >> that's fascinating. do you see similarities when you look at the profiles of bashar al assad or mahmoud ahmadinejad or gadhafi, do they have something in comsnn. >> i don't see much in common between bashar and the other dictators who are brutal to an extreme. what is interesting with bashar

is the fact that he really had no other model, but unlike these other individuals who really are really powers unto themselves, he has family looking over his shoulder, the military looking over his shoulder, and he has to keep proving himicism as worthy of the position. >> thank you very much. appreciate it. >> the founder of linked in, he made $1.7 billion when they went public, and tonight, he comes o outfront to explain how you can make bets like him. if there was a pill

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sears was once the biggest retailer in america. the company that has been around for 119 years. today it said it lost $2.4 million last quarter. don't despair because american companies are not on the decline. facebook already valued at $100 billion. that's one example. reed hoffman invested in facebook at the beginning along with 80 startups with his own company, linkedin, which netted him a lot of money when it went public. in the second part of our interview, he talked about how he picks his bets. >> it's never 100%, but you b e

youicalyou basically go, does this person have a vision, are they someone you i'd back, they're persistent, they're curious, they learn, they're aggressive, they have an understanding of the product yare a, and is this a need for hundreds of millions of people. and if so, you take the bet. >> the person matters. you're investing in a person? >> early stage, it's 80% the person. although you have to find a product that is interesting. >> 100 million people. how the heck can you tell when something is going to be successful for that many people? >> it comes down to the design of the eco system. is the mechanism going to grow, is that going to work? at the levels that go, will that be acoherent, essentially piece of people's lives. if so, you take the bet. you're not always right, but you take the bet. >> i think about the area you're in, zinga, the game company. farmville, mafia wars, you're an investor there, that company now

public, people like to play games online. look at linkedin, you're there. facebook, you're an investor there, people being social, killer there. what else is left? that's the whole point. you have to pick a vision of who is coming up with another silo no one has thought of? >> last fall, inhave ested in edmodo, which is for students and teachers which i don't think linkedin applies to, facebook applies to, but it's fundame fundamental. you say, i could see how everyone could use this, how it would be great for the whole ecosystem. >> we hear about facebook, social network, twitter played a part in that. linkedin is a global company. when we talk about hundreds of millionsturic has to work in the united states and it has to work in china. >> if it's hundreds of millions,

you could have that without china. twitter and facebook as prime examples, but you have to be global. >> do you hit a glass ceiling without china? >> there's a lot of people in china and it's an interesting market, but you hit a glass ceiling on the planet, too. is it a vibrant business, that's a massive business, i want to invest in it any day of the week. >> is the united states still the best place to find the people with ideas, people with drive? >> i believe so. >> u.s. more than anywhere else? >> more than anywhere else. there's great stuff happening in china, in brazil, there's some great stuff happening in india, and occasionally, very interesting stuff happening in europe. my last investment was a company out of stockholm. >> i like you said some occasionally. poor europe lately. >> we would love to see more of it. >> they have had their

challenges. back in the day when you first -- when did you get into facebook? >> first round. >> first round. which was when? >> so what happened is sean parker called me. i said, this is interesting. i think peter should lead it. we should do a meeting with peter, and i'll co-invest. >> what made you -- what made you see that 80% person, 20% product i'm in in that case back then? >> i hadn't met zuckerberg, but the product was amazing and i heard good things about him, and part of the meeting was to get a sense of zuckerberg himself, and parker had i known earlier, and i knew that parker had a very good sense of consumer internet products, so i was like, i love the product. parker tells me the guy is good. i have heard great things. let's do a meeting. it was an easy meeting. >> what do you thing about where it is now? i know you can't talk about the pricing yet, which i would love to ask you, would you buy the ipo? >> i would take a look at it seriously, but i can't