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joel mchale. that's it for us tonight. ac 360 starts right now. how two of these convicted killers who were pardoned by mississippi governor haley barbour got mistreatment from one mistmy state official and car buying help from the governor's wife. it is exclusive reporting coming up. but first the gop race and we are keeping them honest report. >> our goal was to take out one-third of the delegates and possibly slightly better than that. i think we will exceed that goal. >> your goal wasn't to win one of these states? >> i don't think that anyone
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expected to win alabama or mississippi. as mitt said early on in the campaign, this was an away game for him and i think that is true. >> this is a delegate contest. like i said our goal was to come in, take a third of the delegates. >> keeping them honest on the claim that nobody expected him to win alabama or mississippi. at least one person did expect, mitt romney in mobile, alabama. >> we're going to win tomorrow. we need your help. >> that was the night before the primaries. not to single out governor romney, listen to newt gingrich spin the results. >> i want to tell you this. we will have throw or four days in the news miedia. these are the same people that said why isn't he dead. they raise this every few weeks. >> i don't know if you heard about him wanting to finish
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second. >> we came in second which isn't as much as we wanted. >> keeping them honest, mississippi and alabama two states that the gingrich campaign described as must win. last night gingrich spokeswoman, marcy hammond the man that used the words must win jokingly said this to reporters, whoever said that should be flocked. he said the campaign would go on because he didn't expect any of the contenders to win the delegates necessary to secure the nomination before the convention in tampa. each campaign, in fact, has its own scenario for getting to 1144 delegates or prevailing at the convention without the 1144 going in. the question is does newt gingrich have a path to the nomination? in a moment we will hear from a campaign adviser. but first john king runs the numbers. >> the path to the nomination, you mean clinching the answer is no. look at the state of play after last night. you see a lot of santorum
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purple. the gingrich campaign said it fwrent spartanburg to texas. rick santorum ruined that last night. they are on to plan c. two wins for gingrich. can he come back again? let's look at where we are after last night. need 1144 to clinch. romney is shy of 500. if you add up gingrich, santorum and paul. these are estimates so the campaign may say it is higher but others may say it is lower but about 140. speaker gingrich won south carolina and georgia. he was denied in alabama and mississippi. for the sake of a hypothetical what if he came back and won everything. everything from here on out. every single state. i'm going to do that for you and under this scenario, romney, santorum and ron paul are still in the place. i'm going to save you time and go to the end. that is a santorum strategy for you. watch this. watch this. we go back to today. this is gingrich wins them all.
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gingrich wins them all. winning texas in the middle. he would get, he would catch up almost to governor romney. not quite. the gingrich you campaign would say if he got to the convention they could go to the convention and make the case we came back late. i want to say for the sake of reality, though, you call it keeping them honest it is hard to see speaker gingrich if he comes back winning utah. you have to assume romney gets that. hard to see he would win rick santorum's home state of pennsylvania. let's turn it purple. i see a hard time seeing him win connecticut. i will give that to romney. new york i will give to romney. if gingrich wins most there are others i could be skeptical about. stronger in the midwest. his campaign would argue he has a better chance than speaker gingrich in wisconsin. i'll stop here. i switched a few of them back. and this scenario if i stop includes gingrich winning new jersey here, includes gingrich winning california here.
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i'm a bit skeptical about that. under this scenario, romney at 924, gingrich would be in second place. their point would be right, nobody would have clinched. gingrich would be in second. this is a dream scenario. most people watching at home would think who know the rules pretty implausible. >> john stay with us because i want to bring in randy evans, a senior adviser to the gingrich campaign. you heard what john king said. a lot of people are saying you're not winning. santorum is. mitt romney will face united conservative opposition. why is that wrong? >> we're not even to halftime yet. halftime is on april 24th, which is louisiana. after halftime we hit the third quarter. let me show you this little chart here which is helpful. there are three big dates to focus on. march 24th it will be halftime. may 22nd will be the beginning of the fourth quarter and june 26th will be overtime. and why are those dates really important? no candidate by the time we reach louisiana will have one-half of the number in order
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to secure the nomination. the reason that's true is because there are so few legally bound delegates. for example, john used pennsylvania. pennsylvania's 69 votes aren't legally bound. it's true for many other states. there are almost 500 not legally bound. this will go to overtime, this will be a july nomination. if you take what john just showed you, and i agree with him, that map saves a lot of time. the cnn map is the best map. it shows the numbers. it enables you to calculate your own numbers. if you took john king's map, add santorum's number and gingrich's number and tell me what you get, because that's what happens when you get to july if you don't have a nominee. you have conservatives, conservative delegates who have rejected governor romney making the decision about who the nominee will be and they come to a decision before they get to tampa. >> john, what about that argument? >> that is a possibility. i concede the point. if you can stop governor romney from getting to 1144, and i'll
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be very clear here, i have no horse in this race, it's hard to do that. it's hard to the that but not impossible. it's not impossible. so it's not impossible to stop him. this scenario stops him with speaker gingrich in second place and you're right, if you add up gingrich and santorum, that's not even enough to clinch there but it would be close and past governor romney. let me show you just for the sake of argument, i'll show you a different scenario. this is one the santorum campaign thinks is more likely. i'll skip the states in the middle and go to the end. the santorum campaign thinks speaker gingrich is effectively dead as a candidate. i know randy disagrees with that. let's look at another scenario. this is santorum. i'm being very generous. romney clinches in this scenario. if santorum or gingrich, let's assume i'm not giving these to any candidates. if you take away california and new jersey, the other two add up to roughly romney. sure, you can come up with a scenario, and i think the next ten days if romney stumbles some more will tell us whether or not it's a reasonable scenario to think about of getting to the convention denying him. then the conversation becomes is it speaker gingrich in second
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place, then he has leverage going in. is it santorum in second place? has this happened in any of our life times? no. >> what changed between last week when people in the gingrich campaign were saying alabama and mississippi are must win and today when speaker gingrich did not win them and people in the campaign are saying, okay, well, they were no longer must win? >> i don't know who said that last week. i know that i wrote a piece -- >> r.c. hammond said it. >> well, that's great. i know that i wrote a piece which was disseminated to the media and sent out to all of our volunteers that said we're in a situation -- we're in uncharted waters. this will be an historic nomination where no candidate will receive the legally bound number before the process ends. i think governor romney even conceded today that it would be a couple of months, which is effectively saying that it will be into june. at the end of the process we'll end up without a nominee. but the one thing that we do
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know is that two-thirds of the delegates don't want mitt romney. and so we know who it won't be. the only way governor romney can actually win is to force the nomination by securing the number, but mathematically that's now not possible. and john, i'll disagree with you on one point. i think the most important part of this process will be that may 22nd through june 5th time period. a three-week period where 500 plus delegates get picked. they begin with arkansas, kentucky. >> right. >> those can be away games for governor romney, but it doesn't get the trick. arkansas, kentucky leads into texas, 155 delegates. and then you go into june 5th where you have two winner take alls. why is winner take all so important? it's california and new jersey. why is that important? there is no second place, there is no third place, there is only first place. 500 delegates added to any one of those totals, any one of those totals changes the whole math. >> john, finally, do you believe
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speaker gingrich will go all the way to the convention? we're hearing his campaign is saying, yes, that's the plan. >> i take him at his word right now. i think he's a politician. i take him at his word and i also know he's a good, loyal republican. i think after every one of these he will sit down and talk to his wife and his team, including randy, and think about it. i want to make the point that randy is right, especially about the big prizes at the end. texas is moved back. new jersey is at the end. california is at the end. this is just what any other campaign would say. i applaud anybody who's loyal to a candidate who says my guy can still win. but what any other campaign would tell you and most republicans would tell you is looking at this map, why are we to believe that the guy who only has two wins now, when romney and santorum have so many is going to be the guy who's winning at the end. if speaker gingrich is going to have this end game that includes new jersey, texas and california, it's plausible. however, he needs to start however he needs to start winning in illinois, wisconsin and places in the middle to have any credible argue that he will have the guy closing strong at
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the end. >> john, i would just point out that after we leave louisiana, we go to the district of columbia, where senate santorum is not even on the ballot. >> that's true. >> so don't forget those kind of things, those operational issues early in the process take their toll when you don't fill slates or don't get on the ballot. >> randy evans, appreciate you being on. john king as well. we're on facebook, google plus, follow me on twitter, i'm tweeting tonight. up next, a 360 exclusive. you won't see this report anywhere else. another outrage in the pardons of these killers in mississippi. now, we're learning about preferential treatment that two of these killers got, even before they were set free by the then outgoing governor, haley barbour. what does the governor have to say about it? we're keeping them honest. later, a teenager shot dead in florida in a gated community. an african-american teen. new details coming to light about the neighborhood watch captain who shot him and questions about whether florida' self-defense law is a license to kill. first let's check in with isha.
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as the violence goes on we are getting a new window in to one of the worst episodes. new video taken during the brutal siege of homs. if you ever had any doubts about what the syrian people are up against, you won't when you see our exclusive report. that and much more when 360 continues.
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we're talking about mississippi governor haley barbour's decision to pardon about 200 criminals as he was leaving office, including these convicted killers who worked as servants at the governor's mansion. tonight some stunning new details about the favors that two of these killers received from state officials before they were even set free. as one state lawmaker put it, treating killers like kings. we've been telling you about the governor's factually challenged defense of why he let these men go. his refusal to answer questions about it, his broken promise to talk once the state supreme court ruled, which it did last thursday. we haven't stopped digging, though, because as you'll see in a moment there are victims and families living in fear right now because of his decision, a decision the former governor is now ducking accountability for. here's how he defended it in a statement put out by his office on the day of the supreme court ruling. quote, these were decisions based on repentance, rehabilitation and redemption leading to forgiveness and the right defined and given by the state constitution to the
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governor to offer such people a second chance. now, in the single appearance he did make on cnn weeks ago on john king's show before this turned toxic for him, he also tried to make the case that these killers were somehow uniquely safe to set free. listen. >> for decades, our governor's mansion has been served primarily by inmates from the state penal system. almost all murderers because the experts say people who committed one crime of passion in their life, after they have served 20 years, and these have served on average 20 years, are the least likely to ever commit another crime. >> keeping him honest. as the experts who came on our program pointed out repeatedly, people kill on impulse who commit so-called crimes of passion in the heat of the moment, they are no less likely to kill again than anyone else. in any case, you would be hard pressed to describe what some of these killers did as crimes of passion as all. for instance, joseph, this man, stuck up a convenience store. he shot the clerk three times on the way in the door and then twice more before leaving the
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scene. it wasn't a crime of passion. after arguing with his wife, anthony mccray, this man, left the scene. then later returned with a gun and shot her in the back. not exactly heat of the moment. neither is this, david gatlin. he stalked his estranged wife tammy ellis gatlin for weeks before striking he shot and killed her while she held her baby in her arms. their baby. he badly wounded her friend, randy walker. ever since we began bringing these facts to light, we've been asking the governor to come on the program and speak to the issue. our correspondents have sought him out for comment. here's how that worked out. >> how are you doing? >> can we talk to you real quick? >> let me get my instructions first. >> governor haley barbour who has refused a request to come on the program. we would love for you to answer some questions. >> governor, can you talk to us about the pardons? >> i've got business right here. >> we'll wait for you. >> again, an open invitation stands for the governor to come to this program. >> can you talk to us for a second? >> despite repeated requests he
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will not come on the program. we've tried multiple, multiple times. >> can we get a few minutes to talk about the pardons with you? >> when the supreme court rules, it will be the time to talk. i'm not so presumptuous as to predict what the supreme court is going to do. but when they rule, then we can talk. >> well, and as we said, once again today, the former governor's office declined our invitation to come on the program saying he'll be traveling for at least the rest of the month. with or without mr. barbour's help, ed lavandera has come up with striking new details you won't see anywhere else. >> reporter: just days before these two mississippi killers were pardoned by haley barbour, cnn has learned david gatlin and charles hooker were issued brand new driver's licenses, even though they were technically incarcerated working as trustees at the governor's mansion, which begs the question, how do two inmates get driver's licenses while they're still in custody of the prison system?
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well, haley barbour's chief security officer says he drove them to the driver's license office himself. he knew both would be pardoned and he hoped having licenses would help them find jobs. we asked him if he thought this was unusually favorable treatment for an inmate to get and he told us it probably would be. he said that governor barbour did not direct him to do this and it's also legal. mississippi department of public safety says the inmates can acquire and renew licenses while still in prison. >> it angers me. >> reporter: randy walker was shot in the head by pardoned prison trustee david gatlin. walker is furious the man who shot him would get so much preferential treatment. >> that's just mind blowing. where is enough, enough? it should be enough they gave a convicted killer his life back. >> reporter: barbour's security chief suggests the licenses would help them find jobs, but why else would either of these men need a driver's license?
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to drive their newly purchased cars, of course. cnn has obtained these investigator' reports from the mississippi attorney general's office which detail how gatlin and hooker also had cars ready for them the day they were pardoned. according to the report, haley barbour's wife called a salesman at this car dealership. it says marsha barbour contacted him regarding the purchase of vehicles for hooker and gatlin. he told investigators that the inmates had been brought to the dealership on january 6, 2012, in a black ford crown victoria to complete paperwork for the sale. january 6 is the very day their pardons were signed but two days before the men were officially released. the salesman also stated that he delivered both vehicles to the governor's mansion. we asked governor barbour about it and he refused to answer directly, but the governor's spokeswoman told cnn in an e-mail that our questions regarding the driver's licenses, the purchase of the cars and the role of his wife were, quote, based on assumptions of fact which simply are not true.
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the mississippi department of public safety tells cnn to our knowledge no policies were broken, but a democratic state representative who oversees the department of public safety calls the preferential treatment appalling. >> not only just to turn these folks loose, but to give them -- treat them like kings essentially. and i think it's -- you know, it's just -- it's way out of bounds. it's outside the bounds of common decency and what we expect of our government. >> reporter: so who paid for the cars? the short answer, no one is saying. according to the report, hooker told investigators his son helped him buy the car and made the first three payments on his 2007 ford focus. david gatlin got a 2009 chevy hhr. according to the investigate ive report report, gatlin was asked where he got the car. he allegedly replied, quote, i can't tell you. to randy walker, it's just one more injustice, one more example of a situation beyond corrupt. >> where's my handout?
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i mean i had -- there's thousands upon thousands upon thousands of medical bills that nobody helped me pay. you know, stuff that's a necessity, i had to have this medical stuff done. i'm not one to go to fits of anger, but it really -- i mean my blood pressure is boiling. >> and i know the former governor has declined to speak with us. you have gotten a statement from him. what did he say? >> reporter: several days ago we sent a lengthy e-mail to his spokesperson detailing all of these questions very specific, many questions. basically most of those questions were ignored in the statement. but he did say -- the governor said that throughout his tenure as governor and having this trustee program, that they did everything they could to help these trustees succeed once they completed the program and went on to return into regular society, and in his words that they had done everything they can to make sure that these men would continue and remain to be law-abiding citizens in the future. >> ed, thanks. next i want to bring in tiffany ellis brewer whose
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sister was murdered and tiffany's mom, betty ellis. tiffany, when you hear about the preferential treatment that the man who murdered your sister received, what goes through your mind? >> it's disturbing, very disturbing. i mean, you know, it just -- you don't really know what to say. it doesn't surprise me, after all that's gone on, you know. it's not a surprise. but it is disturbing. >> and, betty, we're also hearing that the governor's wife, governor barbour's wife called a car dealership and talked to a salesman on behalf of these men. i mean these are benefits that common citizens don't get, for murderers to get them, it kind of stuns me. does it shock you? >> it really upsets me because, you know, i wrote ms. barbour a letter and asked her to consider
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asking her husband not to pardon david. and she didn't even do me the courtesy of responding to my letter, but she had time to take the inmates and get them a car. i don't know what you think about people that have that kind of mentality. it's -- it's sad to me that we had a governor that we respected and everyone thought was doing a really good job. but he was doing all this kind of stuff, which is -- i mean it hurts. >> it's amazing to me the governor's wife didn't reach out to you after you sent a letter. has the governor tried to reach out to you to at least explain what he was thinking subsequently? i mean in the wake of all this, has he at least reached out to just explain himself to you? >> no. the governor has made no attempt to contact me or my family. >> tiffany, knowing what you know now about the level of aid
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provided to at least two of these men, does it change your feelings about the governor, about the role he played in all this? >> you know, when all of this started when he first did, this i lost respect for him then. so, you know, i think he's, you know, just not a very good person apparently to put all of his faith in people like this, you know, and give them things that they have not earned. i mean, you know, he basically made a business deal, you know. these people went in there. he shook hands with these men and said you do this for me and i'll do this for you and that's it, with no regard to our families. >> betty, what would you want to say to the governor, to his wife, and what would you want to say to him?
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>> i would say that what happens at the mansion doesn't always stay at the mansion, and, you know, i just can't understand your thinking of why you think more of criminals than you do of people that work and pay taxes and try to live a decent life. that just -- it just amazes me, governor -- ex-governor barbour, that you would think more of these people than you did of a regular citizen. i cannot understand it. i'll never understand why you did what you did. >> tiffany, do you feel like the system failed you, that it failed the memory of your sister? >> yes. definitely. i feel like that tammy, she was a wonderful person. and people don't know that, you know, and i can't express it enough. and it's almost like her death
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is just in vain, you know, like she didn't matter, and she did. >> yeah. betty and tiffany, again, i appreciate you being back on the program. you know, we'll keep on this story and see if any changes will occur. thank you so much. >> thanks, anderson. >> thank you. >> i feel so bad for them to have to keep talking about this. still ahead, another city becomes a killing field in syria. what happens in homs is now happening in idlib. a reporter describes what she saw firsthand the day the onslaught began. plus the death of a teenager in a gated community. he was shot by a volunteer watch dog. the young man's family wants the 911 tapes released. imagine living your life with less chronic low back pain. imagine you, with less pain. cymbalta can help.
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this week is the one-year anniversary of what started out as a peaceful revolution in syria but has turned into a wholesale blood bath. tonight a disturbing reminder why the world needs to know what is happening in syria and why we continue to report on this nearly every night. now, the syrian regime led by president bashar al assad is killing its own people and denying about it. they're lying about it. they have been lying about it for a year. what you're about to see is extremely tough to watch. the people that died deserve their story be told and so does the sole survivor your about to see. >> reporter: the men crouch as they move across rooftops. crawling through holes smashed through the walls. it's taken them nearly a week to get this far, to reach a house on a sectarian fault line that runs through homs.
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we're rescuing the bodies of the martyrs, the voice on the video narrates. they have heard that a family has been killed. what they find, shocking beyond description. the first body, that of a woman. in the room next to it, bodies crowded into a back corner, as if they were trying to hide. the dead child's face, a mask of fear. blood splatters the walls. let the world see, the voice claims. look at this massacre in just one house. he curses the shias and bashar al assad. the video is said to have been shot in the neighborhood of sebid early this february. oh look, people, look, he says.
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overcome with emotion as he too curses the regime, and the world. the camera pans over to show more bodies slaughtered in the bathroom. suddenly, on another floor, a tiny whimper. the child cries out, clearly terrified. he comes into view, having to crawl over a body lying in the doorway. he must have been hiding for days. don't be afraid, you're safe now. don't make a sound, one of the men tells the boy. it's not known who killed his family or why, but the men who found the bodies are sure this was a sectarian massacre carried out by thugs allied to the regime. arwa damon, cnn. >> as we reported in the last couple of days, activists say there was another massacre after syrian forces took control of the neighborhood after shelling it for many weeks. tonight the slaughter of
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innocent civilians continues in syria and so do the lies. activists say at least 56 more people were killed today, including 29 in the city of idlib. idlib has become another homs, according to one reporter. who has seen the killing in both cities firsthand. you will hear from her in a moment. she got into idlib last week and was there with the onslaught began. these are some of the videos that we've been seeing on youtube. we can't independently confirm their authenticity. the syrian regime will not allow outside journalists into the city. reports from inside syria describe the city much like in homs, government forces pummelling the city. they launch their assault saturday night. heavily armed troops and tanks poured into the city, overpowering the opposition. at the very same time this was happening, at the same time the guns were firing and people were being killed, kofi annan was in damascus meeting with bashar al assad trying to have a diplomatic end to the regime's crackdown.
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a reporter was in idlib and managed to get out late saturday night. here's what she told me earlier today. >> it was relentless, indiscriminate, inhumane bombardment by heavy, heavy artillery, by tank shells, by armored personnel carriers that scoot around firing heavy caliber machine guns. and then of course backed up by sniper fire. the snipers of the regime were simply sitting there taking out anyone that they felt walking by. >> the assault at idlib raged for four days. government forces are now in control. today syrian state-run media said security forces have brought safety and security back to idlib which witnessed terrorist acts by armed gangs. still ahead tonight, growing outrage of the shooting death of an african-american teenage boy
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in florida. some say the gunman's claim of what happened just does not add up. isha first has a 360 bulletin. >> reporter: the american soldier accused of murdering 16 civilians in afghanistan has been flown to kuwait. meanwhile, defense secretary leon panetta addressed marines in afghanistan. he also will meet with afghan officials angered about the deadly rampage. investigators in switzerland are working to determine what caused a horrible bus crash that killed 28 people. most of the victims are children. the bus crashed into a wall inside a tunnel. the investigators already say it was not speeding and that no other vehicle was involved. actor george clooney testified before congress today about what he called a campaign of murder by sudan's government against some of its own people. he traveled to sudan last week to document the conditions that some sudanese are living through. history is made at iditarod.
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we're digging deeper tonight on a case in florida that's triggered a lot of outrage there and far beyond. trayvon martin, a high school junior, as shot dead in a gated community in sanford.
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he wasn't carrying a weapon. he had a reason to be there. he was visiting family members and he was going to spend the evening watching a basketball game. he went out to buy some snacks and never made it back. of he was just 17 years old. now, the man who shot him hasn't been charged. he's claiming self-defense and the case is raising new questions about florida's self-defense law. more on that in a moment. first david matting lee has the details. >> reporter: trayvon martin walked out of this convenience store buying a bottle of iced tea and pack of candy, goodies in preparation of watching the nba all-star game. he would have easily made it back to the condo where he was visiting in time for tipoff. it's possible that he entered the neighborhood here, cutting between the two buildings off of the main road there on his way home. it should have been about a ten-minute walk, a little less than half a mile, an even though it was a little after dark, his family probably wasn't concerned at all. this was generally regarded as a safe neighborhood, a safe place to be after dark.
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one of the reasons for that safety was 28-year-old george zimmerman, a volunteer neighborhood watch captain. but a recent break-in had people worried. >> someone broke into this one right here. >> during the daytime? >> yes. they just walked in >> reporter: frank believes zimmerman kept him from becoming a victim just a month ago, alerting police to a suspicious person outside his condo. >> what was your perception of him? >> george seemed to be a very congenial, amiable person and we admired him for stepping up and taking over the job as a neighborhood watch captain. >> reporter: he says residents didn't know zimmerman was armed or about a scuffle with police seven years ago that got him arrested. the case was later dropped. zimmerman drew a hard line for people parking in the wrong place and playing loud music, yet on this sunday night in february, zimmerman had his eye on trayvon martin, a lone, black 17-year-old walking in the dark. zimmerman alerted police to a suspicious person.
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it's probably about right here zimmerman made the call to police. we're not very far from the entry gates into this neighborhood. at the time it was a little after dark and it was raining, so trayvon very likely had his hood up over his head. his family says it is likely he was listening to music on his iphone not aware of what was going on around him. dispatchers told zimmerman that police were on the way, to not get out of his vehicle. but that's not what happened. >> he got out of his car and he -- there was some confrontation with trayvon. >> reporter: natalie is trayvon's family attorney and says it's clear he was walking away from zimmerman, down this sidewalk, around a corner. police won't say how the encounter turned violent. >> there's only one person alive who knows what happened and that's zimmerman. >> reporter: one resident said she saw fighting, heard shouting and screams for help. then a gunshot. trayvon martin was shot in the chest, pronounced dead at the scene less than 100 yards from
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making it home. david mattingly, cnn, sanford, florida. >> the state attorney's office is investigating the case. trayvon's family say he's the victim of racial profiling. they're demanding zimmerman be charged with murder. because of the way florida's law on self defense is written, this case is anything but simple. i spoke to cnn legal analyst and former prosecutor, sunny hostin. >> one of the things that doesn't make sense is that this man zimmerman is claiming self defense and yet it seems like he was the one that pursued this young man. >> that's right. that's because in florida, it's one of 15 states that has this stand your ground law. it's very broad in florida. what it means is if you feel threatened, you can defend yourself even with deadly force if you feel in fear of this great bodily harm. >> and you're not expected to run away. >> you're not supposed to run, you're not supposed to retreat. >> you can use deadly force. >> exactly.
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but you hit the nail on the head. there's an exception to that and that's the first aggressor rule. so if you pick a fight and then you get beaten, you can't then walk away and get a gun and shoot someone. and that seems to be in my view the facts of this case. when you think about it, anderson, you have a kid who had skittles and a can of iced tea and was walking back to his father's home. and then you have this sort of neighborhood watch person who deemed him suspicious. he calls the police department. they tell him to stand down, that a police cruiser would be dispatched. he takes the law into his own hands. and i believe pursued him. in that type of fact scenario, you are not entitled to claim self defense. that's a self protection law. >> it's not clear how a fight or how the altercation actually ensued, but it is from what we know, this zimmerman guy, the neighborhood watch guy, got out of his vehicle and pursued -- >> that's right. >> -- this young man. i mean you have to look at race as well in this and a lot of
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people in florida are saying this involves race. >> well, i think so. i mean you're talking about a black kid, 17 years old with a red hoodie. why does that make him suspicious? and why does he get gunned down? i mean this night watchperson brought a gun to a skittle fight. the kid was completely unarmed. it just doesn't make sense. i do think race perhaps played a role in it. why was this child suspicious? we're talking about a child. >> the question is why was he viewed as suspicious, because he was walking in this gated community? >> exactly, walking in a gated community. it was raining, he had a hoodie on and apparently he was walking slowly and that made him appear suspicious. >> local news reports say that people have heard the 911 tape, which has not been released, claimed that zimmerman said he's a-holes always get away. >> that's right. i want to know what he did he mean by that. these what, these black kids, these black people? what did he mean by that? so i think if all those facts are true and you look at them,
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he can't avail himself of this self-defense law. i think also, anderson, what is so troubling is he hasn't been arrested by the police. and now the case is in the hands of the state. as a former prosecutor, i hope that they have the guts to charge this guy. let a jury decide what happened, because one of the witnesses to this, trayvon martin, is dead. he was in my view murdered. >> and again the family wants the 911 tapes released in the hopes that that will have some evidence of what occurred. apparently one shot is audible during one of the 911 calls. >> yes. and i think it will shed light on what really happened here. was he the first aggressor? what did he say to the police? what was his motivation for pursuing this young man? if he indeed pursued him, then that in my mind, when i put my legal hat on, means he's the first aggressor. he cannot avail himself of that defense and he should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. >> sunny, appreciate it, thanks. >> let us know what you think about this case.
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