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>> so we are very happy. >> dad? >> wonderful life. >> life is good. >> life is good. that's the way you chase life. thanks for joining us. we'll see you back here next week. >> thank you. from cnn center, this is cnn sunday morning. it's sunday, march 18th. good morning, everyone. i'm randi kaye. we know where he lives and we know his wife's pain. we're talking about the sergeant who allegedly murdered 16 civilian afghans. and newt gingrich, gop contender or spoiler? we'll talk to someone who knows him best, his daughter jackie.
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and would you look at this? all right. i can't snowboard but apparently this opossum can. one week ago today, robert bai bales shot and killed 16 civilians. he's currently being held in ft. levenworth, kansas. we're also learning about blog details. we'll have some of her words later on. and finally, reaction from those who are closest to the accused soldier. his family. sarge bales family is stunned in the face of this tragedy, but they stand behind the man they know as devoted husband, father, and dedicated member of the armed services. let's bring in casey wian from tacoma, washington. his defense team is now starting
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to speak out. what are you hearing from them? >> reporter: well, part of that statement thaw just red was received by us late yesterday afternoon. his civilian defense team saying that they will travel to ft. leavenworth, kansas, to meet with their client for the first time this week. public reports that sergeant bales supervisors, family and friends describe him as a level-headed experienced soldier are consistent. it is too early to determine what factors may have played into this incident and the defense teams looks forward to reviewing the evidence, examining all of bales' medical and personal records and interviews witnesses. of course, the defense team is citing reports by his neighbors here in the tacoma area of washington state, by soldiers who served with staff sergeant
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bales during four combat tours. they have all described him as a good man a. remarkable soldier. we are also hearing the same kinds of things from friends back in his home town of ohio. >> i loved the guy. he's a part of my family. i've known him since the day he was born. it crushed me. it crushed me. >> very outgoing, funny, big smile. he was just a very personable guy. >> reporter: very difficult to reconcile those statements with what staff sergeant bales is accused of doing in afghanistan. there have been some blemishes on his record. in 2002 he was accused of assault. those charges were dismissed after he completed anger management training. and also there is public records that his family, his wife and two children, the family were experiencing some financial difficulties. their house had been up for
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sale, in a short sale arrangement an attempted short sale. he passed over for a promotion last year and his wife blogged about that, how she was disapointed. >> casey wian, thank you. we have continuing coverage. including a live report from kabul. sara sidner got an exclusive response from the taliban and new firsthand accounts from the village where that shooting occurred. hear that at 8:30 right here on cnn. we are learning more about the brazen killing as he was driving to work in the capital of taez. the victim was spreading christianity in yemen. the united nations says an american believed by some to have been held captive for nine
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months has been turned over to the u.s. embassy in baghdad. they said they were freeing a soldier identified as randy michaels. he's on the right there in that uniform. but a u.s. official who had knowledge of the man says that he is rand michael and later returned as an entrepreneur. u.s. officials say all missing soldiers have been accounted for. we'll keep an eye on that one. it is primaries day in puerto rico. up for stake, 20 delegates. even though puerto ricans won't be able to vote, a primary victory today could strengthen the winner's latino's support. newt gingrich's daughter will join me live right here in the studio. i'll ask her if there's any chance of her father of dropping out of the race.
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that's five minutes from now. let's get a look at your early sunday forecast. reynolds wolf is keeping an eye on that. good morning, reynolds. >> good morning. we have a lot to talk about weatherwise. the bullseye will take place in the central plains. daytime heating will contribute and the jet stream may give us thunderstorms. possibly large hail, a few isolated tornadoes. on the other side of it, the situation is very different and dry conditions falling from the southwest gives us a fire threat. in the rockies, we have the snow out to the west coast. it's a mix of rain and snow into the mountains. it looks like we'll see plenty of sunshine for parts of the carolina coast. 67 in boston, working our way back to the west. in memphis, 84 degrees.
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polls opened just a few minutes ago. mitt romney and rick santorum both campaigned in the u.s. territory hoping to grab the 20 delegates at stake. it's a win or take all. if the candidate gets more than 50% of the vote otherwise the delegates will get split.
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romney is a favorite there. the lucky number to hit is 1144 delegates. newt gingrich as clinched 139 delegates so far but you can see that he's well behind santorum and romney. some say it's time for gingrich to step out of the race to help consolidate the conservative vote. but take a look at the recent poll. it suggests that romney and santorum are tied if newt gingrich drops out. the former speaker's daughter, jackie cushman is here. how are you? >> i'm great. >> i'm sure you're exhausted. but let's talk about the numbers. he's third in the delegate race. why is he still in? >> well, he's in it for a very simple reason. his goal in the end is to defeat barack obama and he believes and i believe and his supporters
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believe, he's got over 176,000 and it's just not about winning the nomination. the theory is, let's say governor romney gets the nomination. can he generate support and enthusiasm. and our thought is no, not really. you have the repeat of 2008. you have a candidate who no one really rallies behind or works for. and if you have senator santorum, you'll understand he's not fiscally conservative. when he was the third ranking member in the senate, he left in 2006 after accumulating $1.1 trillion in debt. >> let me ask you this. the conservative vote is key. a very conservative blog wrote this about your dad. the time has come for newt gingrich to drop out.
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newt's unfavorability is sky high. it makes it impossible for gingrich to win this race s it too late for newt gingrich to win the conservative vote? >> absolutely not. a couple of things. first of all, i think we've been caught up in the media about who should do what. until the candidate pulls out, they are in the race. it's not about winning the delegates if you're newt gingrich. but if mitt romney nor santorum can get the 1144 that you mentioned, the convention is wide open. you have a contested convention where anything can happen. and as you know, some of the delegates are bound, some are unbound, some are bound for one round, some are legally bound, some are morally bound. it's amazing how complicated these rules are. so there really is a great race and i think huckabee said it right, people should stay in the race and until they decide to get out, they are all in.
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>> you mentioned the brokered convention. is that what your father is pushing for? is that what he is hoping for? >> at this point, yes. we're looking for a contested convention. the delegate method is very, very interesting. florida is set up as a win or take allstate but under the rules it should have been portional. they will not decide until about a week before. my father is a son of a career. his father served 27 years in the infantry. he understands hard work. >> and going all the way? >> and going all the way. this is a man who had businesses, "new york times" best sellers. he could have sat back and done nothing. he's doing this for my children and for the country. >> why would rnc delegates give him the nomination over candidates that had more
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delegates, more money, more support if we do end up with a brokered convention. >> i think you need to look at who wins the general election because that will determine who gets elected at the contested election. my father is the only candidate, including barack obama, who has balanced the national budget for four years. he's reformed welfare where two-thirds went back to work or went to get an education. he's made real, big hard changes in washington and i think when people really understand what he has done and what he wants to do, the $2.50 gasoline -- >> he's got big ideas. >> you're exactly right. and that's so important because americans do best when they have big goals, big ideas to strive for and he really believes in the power of the american people. >> all right. i want you to stay here, if you can. we have a few more questions for you but we have to take a break. if you have a question that would you like me to ask newt gingrich's daughter, tweet me @randikayecnn.
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if he has a thousand? 100? >> i think you need to see which are actually bound and unbound. i don't want to predict the future because you never know what is going to happen. >> so no magic number? >> absolutely not. >> your dad has also said that he believes probably nothing could get him to quit the race before tampa. he doesn't say nothing. he says probably nothing. does it depends on how he does in the next few races? if the money dries up? >> i think he knows not to predict the future. he's a very interesting man. he has a love for animals and zoos. >> he's got a zoo thing. >> he loves his curiosity, loves to learn and apply that learning and he really does -- every day he wakes up, he's thrilled to be alive, listens to the birds. i think he is, again, plotting forward because he will see how things turn out but he really loves this country and really
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believes governor romney nor santorum can beat obama at this point so for him that means he has to soldier forward. >> if he does soldier forward, is he looking in the end, second-best case scenario, that he ends up with a cabinet position? is he interested in something like that? >> that's not what is driving him at all. i think he's always said, when huntsman was in the race and gave him a hard time about serving under barack obama. look, if you're a president and you're asked to serve your country, you serve your country. that's what you do as a good american. but that's not why he is in this race. he's in this race to win this race because he believes that we are at a dire crossroads for the country and he knows that he can balance the national budget. he has done it before.
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and that's why he's running. >> jackie cushman, so nice to have you here in the studio. >> thank you. nice to be here. presidential candidate rick santorum is a guest on "state of the union" with candy crowley. stay tuned. that's at 9:00 eastern right here on cnn. count on cnn for continuing political coverage and a reminder of the political news, go to our website, cnnpolitics.com. have you seen these bill boards? they have been making a lot of people angry. i'm going to talk to the leader of the atheist group that is putting them up.
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time now for morning passport with nadia. how are you? >> i am wonderful. i have a rather fascinating story for you. >> i know. we gave the viewers a clue about how tall the tallest man is. >> well, a turkish man is 8'3" and was growing until recently and the news is -- >> there he is. >> the university of virginia medical center has managed to get him to stop growing but you can see how tall he is. just look at those hands. >> oh, my goodness. so he was just growing and it was a medical procedure? >> he had something called -- >> look at him with the kids. >> i know. he's so large. he has a condition called acromegaly and it's an overgrowth of the pit tu tear gland. they have actually managed to zap the tumor within the brain.
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it's called gamma ray surgery. the growth is very dangerous and it's life threatening. >> really? >> not only does the body grow but it puts enormous strain on the heart and the cardiovascular system as well as the joints. so, in fact, luckily, by stopping the growth, he will live a much longer, much healthier life. >> i wonder what he does for a living. >> at this point he's been undergoing treatment. you can see him on crutches. it's so difficult to walk because the bones grow and there's enormous strain on the joints. there he is. he's very grateful to the university of virginia medical records. so from the tallest we go to the smallest and we go to nepal. this delightful man is 72 years old and he is 21.5 inches. >> 21.5?
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oh, my goodness. >> there he is on a plane. you can see him relative to the back seat of that plane. he's about the size of a computer monitor or an oxygen tank. >> when did guinness book discover him? >> only until recently. a forest contractor met him and there he is with the two certificates. he's not only the smallest man in the world, he's also the smallest person in the world and he said at that moment, i am good. i feel happy. holding my two certificates. i want to travel the world and spread the name of my country. >> so i think what we need to do is get the two of them together. >> absolutely. >> some type of photo opp. don't you think? >> that would be visually amazing. he doesn't have any health issues and is very agile. so the bottom line is, it's
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healthier to be that small than that tall. >> i like being small. >> you are rather petite. you're 5'3"? >> yes. >> it's extraordinary. he's so grateful for this medical treatment and we are grateful to the guinness book of world records for bringing us these extraordinary people. >> thank you, nadia. this billboard in pennsylvania made someone so angry that they tore it down. an it threeiest group put it up. mid grade dark roast forest fresh full tank brain freeze cake donettes rolling hot dogs bag of ice anti-freeze wash and dry diesel self-serve fix a flat jumper cables 5% cashback right now, get 5% cashback at gas stations. it pays to discover.
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it is half past the hour. i'm randi kaye. thank you for joining us. here's the latest regarding sergeant bales. he sits in a jail in ft. leavenworth. bales' defense team will meet with him this week. we're also learning about what life is like for military spouse's blog postings from his wife are revealed. finally, reaction from those closest to the accused soldier, his family. sergeant bales' family is stunned in the face of this tragedy but they stand behind the man they know as a devoted husband, father, and dedicated member of the armed services. carolyn bales is the woman who was left behind while he was serving time in afghanistan. in a series of blog posts, mrs. bales writes about several events, including the disappointment felt, including when her husband was passed over
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for promotion, including this. after all of the work bob has done for the love of his country, family, and friends. mrs. bales also described her pregnancy with their daughter conviction see and the anticipation of her husband's return saying, i only want the days to go by fast when it comes to bob coming back home. and she wrote this about her unborn child with whom she shared a certain physical condition and how it reminded her of her husband. i get the hiccups all the time. i guess bob was thinking about her, too. bales' family has been moved, due to safety records. their home was put up for sale this week. and a man who's known sergeant bales all his life says nothing adds up. he says it's not the young man who has done so much for his family since he was a child. susan candiotti has this
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exclusive report. >> reporter: robert remembers his last conversation with sergeant robert bales who called him from afghanistan. >> i said, i love you, bobby. take care of yourself. >> reporter: that was in december. shortly after he was redeployed to the region for a fourth time. >> a real caring, real understanding individual. even from a real young age. >> reporter: durham has known bales all his life. they lived next door to each other in norwood, ohio. he still calls him bobby. >> bob me and my son were best friends. >> reporter: durham's son wade is severely disabled. >> bobby was just a very understanding, very accepting kid. he didn't at one time point out a kids' disability. it was what they could do. >> reporter: bobby took wade to
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swimming, school parties, and to the zoo. he made sure that wade was never left out, no matter what anyone thought. >> and with bobby around, there was never a question. all of bobby's friends accepted wade because bobby accepted him. >> reporter: at norwood high school, outside of cincinnati, bales was a football captain. after attending two colleges and working in finance, a fateful day, 9/11. >> 9/11 really affected bobby. >> reporter: within two months, he joined the army. >> he was like a lot of young men and women who decided that, not on our watch. you don't do this to our country. >> reporter: when they talked about the war, durham says bales emphasized with civilians. >> people are people to him. people are people. i've never heard him say that he hated anyone. >> reporter: like most, durham was horrified to hear about an
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american soldier who allegedly gunned down 16 afghan villagers door to door. how did you react when you heard the news? >> they are saying that bobby did that and i can't believe it. i still can't believe it. the bobby that i knew is not the bobby that could have done that. >> reporter: durham suspects his friends may have snapped and he's worried. >> i don't think he can live with it. he'll never be the same. and he's such a great person. it just -- that crushes me. i don't -- i don't know. >> reporter: what questions do you have? >> i think everyone has the same question because everyone knew the same bobby. what happened? what happened? >> reporter: questions with few answers. >> i don't know what happened to my friend, bob bales. i hope someone figures it out. >> reporter: and gets him help. susan candiotti, cnn, norwood,
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ohio. >> the shootings of 16 afghan villagers, most of them children, has stirred up incredible anger in afghanistan. sara sidner is joining us from kabul. you have been getting reaction on the ground. what are people telling you? >> reporter: yeah. look, people are extremely angry about what is going on. though, they are not protesting like they did during the koran burnings. but we did hear on tape, the taliban was talking he can clues civil to cnn and we asked them questions. basically, they talked about the fact that they were extremely angry about this, they would seek revenge against americans in particular but also what they called armed foreigners in this country, that every foreign ner should leave afghanistan. that was in their words. they also talked about why the peace talks with the united states has fallen through.
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they suspended talks that were perhaps going to happen in qatar at some point. they said the reason was two-fold. the was not maintaining promises about how or when they were going to let some of the taliban detainees in guantanamo bay be moved and transfer to qatar. they also talked about the situation with the koran. saying the other reason for suspending talks was because of the burning of korans and they also, of course, talked about the massacre that happened on sunday, saying they absolutely did not believe that this was the work of just one soldier. they also said that he should be tried using islamic law and be tried right here in afghanistan. so very much mirroring what protesters were saying this past week, randi. >> what about the taliban commander that you spoke with? did he speak to you from kandahar, the very province where the killings happened? >> reporter: well, it's
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interesting to note that he's supposed to be one of the commanders. this is exactly the place where the massacre took place in a couple of villages and he was not there. he was actually on the border of pakistan and afghanistan. a part of the reason that you're seeing this is a lot of the taliban has truly been moved out of parts of afghanistan that used to be their stronghold. kandahar, in particular, is the birth place of the taliban. they have been moved out? why is that? because of the night raids are very effective and one of the issues that afghanistan has had is that now that the taliban has been pushed out from the country and even further into pakistan is that sometimes these raids happen and it turns out that these are civilians that are being hurt n this case, the united states has been very clear in saying that this is the work of one soldier not on any official mission. randi? >> sara sidner in kabul, thank
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welcome back. american atheists are taking an in your face approach with bill boards across the country. have you seen any of these. this billboard was erected in a
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muslim neighborhood in path ter son, new jersey. it says, you know it's a myth. you have a choice. and then it targeted a jewish neighborhood in brooklyn but was later moved. and this sign in harrisburg, pennsylvania, was torn down after one day. it says, slaves obey your masters. a local atheist group put it up to protest 2012 the year of the bible. the group behind many of these bill boards is joining me now from new york. david, good morning to you. looking at these bill boards, you've been getting pretty strong reaction to the bill boards. what are you hoping to accomplish by putting them up? >> well, the purpose of the bill boards is billboards is to rally to the atheist and jewish in the muslim
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communities. they are particularly insue lar and they don't even know if they have any friends. but according to our calculations, there are a lot of atheists. we're calling them to meet thousands and thousands of other atheists and go home the next day armed to make the decisions for the rest of their lives. >> why do you think -- you say they are closeted. why do you think some don't make their religious views known? >> well, because ate three yichl is so looked down upon. it's so negatively staereotyped. some think that they will lose their family, relationship, and jobs in many cases. in some cases that's true. we're here to tell them that they are not alone. you have company. you have friends. and you should come to the rally and meet thousands more. and the religious leaders, they
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like the illusion of the am monday anymore tea. >> it sounds like you want to have a conversation about religion, ate three yichl. but can you have a real conversation with others if you just dismiss their beliefs? >> well, they dismiss ours. and we dismiss theirs. frankly, we're not looking for a conversation. we're looking for equality for ate thr eight three yifts. >> that's what they say they are trying to do, is to convert people and you're saying that's not the case? >> well, that's silly.
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there are atheasts everywhere. in your churches and neighborhood and family. we're inviting everyone to come to the rally next weekend. reasonrally.org. >> on monday there is a proposal to build an atheist temple. what do you think about it? >> i probably wouldn't go but if it helps to give them a place to go, they are much more accepted in england than here. in america, we're the most hated group in the country where we couldn't even get elected to an office in most states. in england it's really a different situation. i'd love to tour the place. i'd love to see what it looks like. >> all right. david, appreciate your time. thank you for coming on the program this morning. daftd silverman, thank you. >> thank you very much. have a great day. >> you, too. go to our belief blog. go to cnn.com/belief and you can
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share your thoughts as well. time to see what is ahead on state of the union in just a few minutes. candy crowley is joining me. i understand you have rick santorum on your show today. >> we do, indeed. they are coming up to illinois which is going to be a pretty big deal on tuesday night. simply because illinois, if you look at it, should be more -- friendlier territory for mitt romney. he's done pretty well in some of the those industrial northern states. ohio, michigan. but the polls are pretty close. there is a heavy contingent of evangelicals which have tended to vote for rick santorum and keep him afloat throughout this campaign. we want to talk about that and about some of the -- as you know, every time rick santorum is out on the campaign trail, he says something that catches the cam tan trail. >> i'm sure he will today as
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well. listen, about 20 minutes ago, jackie cush man, newt gingrich's daughter was here with us. we asked her if it's too late, impossible for the former speaker of the house to win the nomination. i want you to listen. >> i think we're caught up in the media about who does what. it's not about winning the delegates if you're newt gingrich. if no one, santorum or romney cannot get the 114 that you mentioned, there's a contested convention and anything can happen. >> does gingrich have any shot here at winning this? and, if not, why do you think he's still in it? >> the translation of that is that gingrich looks as though he's going to stay in to try to make sure that mitt romney, who is the likeliest to get to the 1144, does not. then it goes to the convention where, you know, jump ball here, who knows what will happen.
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it's very clear that what she's saying is, we intend to try to stop mitt romney so we can go to the convention and win this and, in truth, that's really the only realistic path for newt gingrich to get the nomination and even then it's a long shot. it's hard for me to believe that two people, mitt romney and rick santorum, if it continues on the way it does, who go in with overwhelming enough delegates, that somehow the convention would turn around and pick newt gingrich. but, you know, strange things happen at conventions. it's clearly the only way at this point when you add up all of the delegates and newt gingrich looks viable. >> do you think rick santorum will tell you that he would like to see newt gingrich step out and consolidate this conservative vote? >> obviously he does. he's been pushing for that for some time without pushing for that. candidates can't be telling other candidates to get out but santorum supporters hint at it,
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some say it flat out. they clearly would like newt gingrich to get out because they think they would pick up the bulk of newt gingrich's voters. but be careful what you wish for. things don't always go as planned. it's kind of a mute question because it doesn't sound like he plans on getting out any time soon. >> no, he doesn't. candy, thank you good to talk to you on sunday morning. state of the union is coming your way in 15 minutes. at 9:00 a.m. eastern time and 6:00 a.m. pacific right here on cnn. and then, in one blinding blink of an eye, their tree had given its last. but with their raymond james financial advisor, they had prepared for even the unthinkable. and they danced. see what a raymond james advisor can do for you.
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from outside, this is on top of the cnn center looking down towards centennial park. you can see a string of runners. they started off earlier here in atlanta doing the marathon and half marathon. some are very happy and some are wondering can i make it another mile? regardless, effort is effort and we appreciate theirs. plenty of sunshine in parts of the eastern seaboard mixed in with showers. when you get into the central and southern plains, the story because a chance of rain, possibly severe storms. and with that, isolated tornado. on the other side, you have something very different. wind not coming in from the southeast or southwest but very low humidity and strong wind gusts could give us a fire threat in some places. when you get on the other side of that system, you have the trailing cold front that means snow. and even more snow. for the highest elevation getting over a foot. this story is going to be
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primarily snow and rain into the sierra-nevada. let's talk temperatures for just a few moments. kansas city, minneapolis, 78. 63 in billings. 51 in salt lake city. 52 in san francisco and back to the east coast we do 72 in our nation's capital. 87 in tampa and 79 in miami. overall it looks like a nice day out there for us. randi, i'm going to walk over and hand the ball back to you. >> come visit with me. >> absolutely. what have you got? >> join me for this. the best video that you and i have found -- >> it's sometimes funny, scary, and even a bit disturbing. >> it's a little green today in honor of st. paddy's day. we will take you to chicago first. there it is. the green river. it's been a tradition for more than 50 years there. >> yeah. it's amazing. >> thdye it kelly green. >> that's right. they use 40 pounds of vegetable
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dye. it's safe. it dissipates. it's actually a process used by plumbers to detect leaks in the sewer system. now, it's very beautiful. >> it looks like it's glowing. it's not the only river glowing green. we'll take you to tampa now. not only chicago. that looks nice there. >> it does. beautiful there. >> you were telling me the first lady is looking at this, the white house? >> michelle obama originally from chicago, chicago is her home town, uses some of the dye in the fountains. does the first lady herself put it in there? absolutely not. >> she says bo goes and picks it up. >> he's he runs the house. look what is happening in brazil as well. this is kind of funny because it's come bic book-related. that's the brazilian batman. police have hired him to help
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battle crimes and he's teaching the kids good from bad. what do you think about that? >> i'm a little skeptical. it's great. if it helps out crime, that's wonderful. he needs to be making phone calls to commissioner gordon. >> they have the bat light in the sky when the kids need help. >> if they don't, they do now. they should. >> that was always my favorite part of the show. >> no question. >> and this, we saved the best for last last. you've got to see this little guy. this is a opossum. he snowboards. his name is ratatouille. >> look at him with his little sweater. >> do you think he's actually enjoying this or does he hold on for deer life. >> i was trying to see if he's actually secured to it or not but it doesn't look that way. it being looks like he has a
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little lift ticket on. >> how do you put a lift ticket on a opossum. >> that's ridiculous. >> maybe he got the child rate. >> if he saw him on the lift and you're going up, would you want to say, guys, take it up. >> i would share my lift seat with him. is he so adorable. i could watch that all day. i just want to take him home. that was fun. thanks for playing along. >> you bet. another check of the day's top stories is next. stay with us. where news does not take a day off. ♪
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