analysis, and web exclusiveives at our website, cnn.com/sotu. fareed zakaria gps is next for our viewers here in the united states. this is "bgps" the global public square. welcome to you in the united states and around the world. i'm fareed zach ar wra. we have a great somehow today. first up, what happens when you actually cut government spending? we'll ask britain's finance minister george ozborne. we'll ask him approximate if his austerity experiment is working. then is this the most powerful man in america? some people think so. i sit down with global norquist. the man behind the no new taxes pledge. also, actor turned activist george clooney on evidence he says he has of war crimes. and a look at what we can learn from health care around the world. a preview of a new gps special that prematures tonight at 8:00 p.m. but, first, here's my take. when i was in college in the early 1980s as part of a student

organization, i invited ronald reagan's defense secretary casper weinberger to give a speech on campus y where yous american colleges were hotbeds of opposition to the reagan administration, especially to defense policies. sure enough, as soon as weinberger began to speech, a group of students stood up and began to heckle. one after another they rose and chanted a single line. deterence is a lie. i was reminded of that turbulent meeting because i have been listening to these debates over iran's nuclear ambitions. it highlights a strange role reversal in today's foreign policy discourse. it used to be left searching instead for options like the nuclear freeze, and it used to be people on the right who would patiently explain the practical virtues of deterrented. the conservative thinker charles

kraut haumer wrote deterrents like old age is intolerable until one considers the alternative. yet, today it is the right that has decided that deterrents is a lie. the american foundation, the american enterprise institute, all denounce containment and deterrents and would lead us, instead, on to policy paths that culminate in a preventive war. it is the right's version of the nuclear freeze. a simple solution that actually doesn't solve anything. strikes on iran would probably delay its program a few years while driving up domestic support within iran for the government in tehran and for the nuclear program. it will provide a much stronger rationale for iran to pursue nuclear weapons, having been attacked. yet, sophisticated conservatives insist that this root is preferable to deterrents. deterrents is a difficult concept to grasp. the concept of destruction produces peace. yet, the record is remarkable.

great powers went to war with little regulator for hundreds of years. then came nuclear weapons, and there has not been a war between great powers since then. since 1945. the longest period of peace between great powers in human history. the united states and the soviet union have a more intense and far-reaching rivalry than almost any two great powers ever. each told the other one to destroy its way of life, and yet this rivalry did not result in war. both sides were deterred. so also with pakistan and india, which fought three wars before they had nukes and none in the 40 years since. to gain credibility with the current israeli government, presses obama has gone along with them, ruled out containment, insisted that he does not bluff, and spoken of a window of opportunity for negotiations. this might prove to be a mistake. it boxes the united states in, limits obama's options, and forces him on a path that could

push the united states into an unnecessary preventive war. it would be far better for israel, the united states, the middle east, the world if tehran does not acquire such weapons, and the american effort to prevent this from happening and to put tremendous pressure on tehran is the right policy. were tehran to persist, were the regime to accept the global isolation and crippling costs that would come from that decision, then a robust policy of containment and deter ens would work towards iran as it does against stalin's soviet union, mao's china, kim jong il's north korea, and the pakistani military. let's get started. >> the brits invaded washington

d.c. again this week. this occasion was much more friendly than when they did it in 1812. accompanying prime minister cameron was his chancellor, the very british title for finance minister, george ozborne. he is the man behind the cameron government's bold plan to reduce its deficits. its critics say it has plunged britain into an unnecessary recession. i sat down with george ozborne at the british embassy in washington d.c. chancellor, thanks for doing this again. >> my pleasure. it's good to be back. >> you have to present a budget next week, and there are many people not just in the labour party who say you need to cut back on the austerity so to speak, that the british program of cutting government spending has resulted in very weak economic growth. do you think you need to and will you relax some of the spending cuts that you have put

in place? >> well, normally budgets are secret, but it won't be any secret if i say to you, no, we're not going to do that. we are going to stick with the deficit reduction plan that i set out almost two years ago. britain had an 11% budget deficit two years ago. the plan we've put in place is bringing that deficit down and borrowing is coming down. even with it we still have one of the highest budget deficits in the world, and we've got to keep up the pace in order to provide the stability of the british economy needs and the low interest rates the british economy needs to allow the roer to take hold. i think it would be a big mistake if britain backed off the credibilities and entered the international markets. >> do you know that there are people very serious, economic commentators like martin wolf who say you had no trouble borrowing money going into your government, and that by cutting

government spending, you have actually reduced economic growth, which in turn has led to lower tax revenues, which in turn has led to a worse deficit projection than you might have had. many people look at it as a test case of too much austerity too soon. >> i don't agree with that analysis. i would say we had to earn our credibility in international markets. we became the -- we have the same market interest rates as italy and spain. you can see what's happened to those countries. actually, a little bit better in the last few weekends e weeks, but nevertheless, market interest rates markedly higher than the united kingdom has. the idea that somehow britain could have got away with not having a credible plan to deal with this deficit, not attacking at 11% budget deficit, i think it's fanciful, and i actually the proof is in the puddinging.

we've had a remarkable degree of stability. we've had lower interest rates compared to many of our european neighbors, and if you think of the economic shocks that the european continent has suffered over the last nine months to a year, i think britain, through its credible plan, has helped to isolate itself from that. >> do you think that means that the united states should move to greater austerity measures now? >> well, look, first of all, the united states has more freedom to maneuver because it's a reserve currency, but also, i think actually if you look at the debate in the united states, there's a question of when people are going to deal with the deficit, but the question of whether to deal with the deficit has actually been answered. i think sometimes the differences between the profile of deficit reduction between the u.k. and the u.s. are overstated. you look at the profile. it's not that dissimilar. there are some differences. we have different political systems and what you are capable of doing at different times. of course, i think all countries know that they've got to deal

with that question of the rest and what the markets have which is how are you going to pay your way. >> one thing you've said in interviews leading up to your budget is that you will not put in place any tax cuts that are not paid for. i take it by that you mean that you do not buy the supply side argument that if you were to just cut taxes, it will unleash growth, which will then pay for itself. >> i am actually in that sense more with margaret thatcher than ronald reagan. margaret thatcher was more you have to make the books balanced. reaganan was more, let's borrow and cut taxes. he was the american president. she was the british prime minister. different economies. and i'm a conservative who believes that lower taxes create more efficient economies and allow wealth to be and income and enterprise to be promoted, but i think in the context of having public finances that are

unsustainable, you've got to do something about that, and you can't just assume you cut taxes and the money pays for itself. >> what is your principle concern in terms of the obstacles to a general global recovery, but also, of course, the british one? >> well, i guess the oil price would be if i had to name one thing at the moment. i mean, i don't think the risks in the euro zone have entirely dissipated due to the action of the european central bank, but they are much less than they were a couple of months ago. i would look at that oil price the moments. i'm concerned about that because you saw actually the end of 2010, early 2011 how that knocked the stuffing out of the global recovery. high oil price. and that is something that would certainly be on my radar as a cause for concern. >> george ozborne, pleasure to have you on. thank you. >> and we will be right back. coming up on "gps" another

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my next guest is according to former senator alan simpson, the most powerful man in america today. no, he is not the american president, but if he were to run for that position, simpson says, his platform would be no taxes under any situation, even if your country goes to hell. i'm talking about grover norquist, the author of the taxpayer protection pledge, which seeks to oppose any net tax increases. it has been signed by 95% of republican congressmen and all but one of the original 2012 republican presidential candidates. grover norquist joins me now. >> good to be with you. >> so let me ask you -- >> sure. >> -- about the history of the last 20 or 30 years, and ask you

whether you feel some responsibility for this. here's how i see it. the republican party under ronald reagan, subsequently under gingrich, which confronting george bush senior, has pushed aggressively for cutting tacks, no new taxes, many of the kinds of things you have argued for. it has been unable for whatever reason under republican majorities, under democratic majorities, under divided or shared government to cut spending, so what we have had is the kind of perfect expression of what the american people seem to want, which is low taxes, but lots of government services, and there's only one way to square that circle, which is to borrow lots of money, which says what we've done for the last 30 years. aren't you to blame for that? >> no. it is to tremendous will he raise taxes as high as spending has gone.

if this is the left's analysis of how to fix the problem. no. here's -- >> sent that -- let me ask you, you can characterize it as left or right, but if you raise taxes to -- to meet what expenditures you want to make, at least you don't have a debt bomb. at least you don't have a debt crisis. at least you don't have a financial collapse. at least you don't face the prospect of becoming another greece. in other words, i don't like high taxes, but the question is if you want lots of government surfaces, you have two options. you can either high tacks or borrow the money. >> the american people clearly don't want high levels. sxwro congressmen and senators are surrounded by spending interests who push them on for higher levels of spending, and try to push them for higher levels of taxes. when you poll the american people, do you want more government services at a higher cost or fewer government services at a lower cost, 2-1,

and that is almost unchanged as you go -- >> in the abstract. >> when gu to a specific program they like -- >> are they willing to pay additional tacks for it? the answer is no. >> do you want cuts in it, they say no. >> if taxes go down, you can get that. the disconnect is when you send people who promise to cut spending and taxes and send them to washington and they are surrounded. i run a taxpayer group, the most powerful guy in d.c. nonsense. there are buildings with thousands of people all lobbying for more spending and higher levels of spending and more government commitments and there are a handful, a handful, of groups that fight for less spending. how do we even the score? that's what the pledge has begun to do. we make visible the candidate who says i'm going to washington and not raising tacks. and then people know exactly what he or she committed to because it's in writing. it's short. it's simple. not no net tax increase. >> let's talk about one way you can perform tacks, which i'm assuming you agree work but i was distressed to see your

reaction at simpson boles. most people understand how these things called tax expenditures and the tax code, these are essentially lots of individual tax -- tax credits where the government is basically making special deals for people lowering taxes for one industry for one group and in some cases -- and the idea was to basically get rid of all the -- to take away these special tax breaks that people get, and you opposed it. now, what i'm surprised by is, first of all, this is terrible in temz of tax policy to be having the government decide all these special benefits for people. secondly, this is precisely what encourages the kind of corruption of the tax code that you rightly oppose. >> you are misstating my position. simpson boles is an outline. it's an essay. it was never put into legislative form because it's --

because you can't, okay? because it's -- again -- >> that's just general principles. >> right. however, one of the general principles was about a $2 trillion tax increase. the only one thing they were clear about is they were raising taxes to -- paul ryan says $2 trillion over the decade. the heritage foundation says $3 trillion over the decade. they were trying to retend it was tax reform. they damaged tax reform. we will get tax reform when and only when the american people are convinced it doesn't hide a tax increase. that's why the pledge makes tax reform in 1986 possible. makes tax reform now possible. >> to be fair to simpson-boles, it was tax reform, and it raised more revenues. let me ask you this, we are taxing now at 14% of gdp. >> thanks to the recession. >> we're spending at 23% of gdp. are you telling me you believe you can get all -- you can close that gap entirely by cutting spending, that is by taking something in the range of 7% or

8% of gdp? that is cutting $800 billion out of government spending every year. >> you can do two things. you'll reduce spending, and you have stronger economic growth. this is one of the weakest recoveries. >> you get as a practical matter -- you can't wish -- this is, again, a wish, not a plan. i would like stronger xlek growth too, but your fiscal situation has to be -- >> you can't -- you undo the regulatory burdens that obama has both put in and threatened to put in. you get rid of obama care. >> this is all rhetoric. do you have a plan as a practical matter? look, clinton raised taxes and cut growth. bush had the biggest tax cuts in a generation, and he got the weakest growth in 30 years. what i'm saying is as a matter of practical planning for the fiscal future of the united states, you u your answer can't be we'll have stronger growth. if you grow at 6%, we don't need to do anything. everything is solved. right? i can't wish for that. you have a plan we're listing. >> we know if you reduce capital

gains tax, you get more growth. if we go to full expensing for business investment, we'll get more investment. we need to have an immigration policy that brings both talent and numbers to the country. we need to have the territorial tax system so the trillion dollars that's overseas can come back here and create jobs and opportunities here. as well making the country stronger. snoo here are some things you could do if you could wave a magic wand. >> we take corporate and individual rates down to 40%. 25 doesn't make you internationally competitive. while the european average is 25 and most americans work for firms that pay at the individual level, not at the corporate one, so you have to bring them both. obama wants to take the individual, small business tax to 44%, and the corporate rate, he says, down to 28%. that really damages the businesses and doesn't make us competitive. have you to take us both down to 20 because corporate and state and local taxes -- to compete with europe we have to be at 20 nationally so we're at 25 to

compete. >> you don't think that bringing taxes down that much, at least in the short run will mean that you will lose substantial revenue? >> i think a number of things at once. we're going to have a republican house after this next election. we'll have a republican senate after this next election. 23 democrats, ten republicans out. the democrats, half of them are in very vulnerable seats. two of the republicans might lose. you will have a republican house and senate. the question is you can have a republican president. that's not rhetoric. that's the plan. >> final question, do you trust that mitt romney is a candidate who will be in favor of the agenda you have for the party sf. >> two things. he has made the commitment both four years ago and this year that he will oppose and veto any net tax increase. he is for tax reform. he is against tax increases. two, he has endorsed the outlines of paul ryan's plan. paul ryan's plan reduces obama's overspending by $6 trillion. >> i am asking, do you trust mitt romney? >> for two reasons. one, i trust him because i have

talked to him about it, and i trust him because he has made the comments, and secondly, the republicans are now in a position where they will govern from the house and the senate in the same way that the democrats did for 16 years. the next republican president will work with the republicans in the house and senate, which is why you know what the plan will be. it will be something that looks very much like the ryan plan. >> grover norquist, good to have you on. >> good to be with you. >> and we will be back. >> right now our gas prices go up as the president said in his press conference, because when the chinese aren't getting their 6% from the sudan, they're getting it from somewhere else, and that raises the price for all of us. en. the way i always made it for you. one more thing.... those pj's you like, i bought you five new pairs. love you. did you see the hockey game last night? [ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste this soup. i'm here to unleash my inner cowboy. instead i got heartburn. [ horse neighs ] hold up partner. prilosec isn't for fast relief.

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now for our what in the world segment. what caught my eye this week was a dispute between two members of a grand old european alaynce. the alliances of nato. it isn't the ark tk council or the euro zone, nor the e.u. i'm talking about the annual euro vision songco contest. what is it? take a look. >> it's cheesy, but it's a huge hit across the pond. every year dozens of countries send their top performers to an american idol style music competition. more than 100 million viewers tune in to vote for their favorites. the one rule, you can't vote for

your own country. >> eight points to romania. >> so the tradition has continued since the 1950s. abba won for waterloo in 1972. celine dion made a splash in 1988 representing switzerland. ♪ >> but somewhere along the way the contest became known less for big names and more for kitch. sequinned costumes, youtd landish productions, the works. despite its name, euro vision is not just a european competition. algeria participates. so does israel. this year's host is audio buy john, ask and that's why euro vision is in the news. first some background. they've long clashed with armenia. in 1994 the two countries ended a year long war over the separatist region. an armenian soldier was shot to death at the board are.

if they're the host, armenia is pulling out music competitions like big sporting events have larger disputes for trends. when moscow posted euro vision in 2009, they were reluctant to take part because it had just fought a war with russia. music can unify too. that year an entry featured an israeli jew sing aing duet with an israeli arab. ♪ >> for me the fascinating thing about euro vision is not the performances or the music, but it's the politics and the public psychology. here are gps we plotted the capital cities of the winning countries for the past two decades on a long tut graph. that's the kind of thing we do inure spare time. as you can see, in the 1990s the winners tended to be from western europe. dublin or london.

by the late 2000's, the winners mostly came from the east, moscow and kiev. euro's central gravity is moving east. these voters have interesting tendencies. in 2003 britain got exactly zero votes. that was the year the blair government supported the war in iraq. votes aren't always conscious, but you can spot trends. greeks always vote for cyprus. cyprus returns the fare. viewers from former warsaw pact countries often vote as a block. so do members of the former yugoslavia. in 2007 certain why won after picking up maximum points from bosnia, croatia, macedonia, montenegro and slow vienna. an interesting window into europe. so we've got to be thinking. we have american idol here in the u.s., and we have "the voice," but perhaps what we really need is our own euro vision. an america vision where people from red states strategically vote for each other, where the two coasts create an alliance.

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i'm candy crowley. "gps" should be back in 90 seconds, but first the top stories. gunmen shot dead. an american teach nesh yemen today. the victim has been identified as joel sharn who authorities say had been working in the country as a swedish language center since 2010. al qaeda in the arabian peninsula is claiming responsibility for the attack. an american who says he was held captive in iraq for nine months is now in u.s. custody. the man identified as randy michael hulz was freed by a shiite militia linked to muqtada al sadr. the u.s. official tells cnn that hul sdmr was a former u.s. soldier that served in iraq and later returned as an entrepreneur. >> afghanistan isn't the only

country talking about changing its relationship with the u.s. relations with the united states reached a new low point after the november incident in which nato air strikes killed 24 pakistani troops. those are your top stories. now back to fareed zakaria "gps." this past week washington turned its attention to hollywood. the actor george clooney was testifying in front of the senate foreign relations committee. the topic wasn't movies. it was very serious. clooney was sharing what he learned from his travels last week along the volatile border between sudan and south sudan. the world's fewest country. south sudan is still under threat. it has yet to resolve with sudan a dispute over oil revenues. this isn't just an african story. it impacts all of under the circumstances every day. south sudan has stopped exporting oil, and that, clooney says, is part of what's driving up oil prices. i caught up with clooney in washington. he was with john pendergast,

co-founder of the enough project. >> george clooney, john pendergast, thank you for joining us. we're all trying to figure out whether south sudan, the newest country in the world, is going to make it, whether it's succeeding. there have been clashes and disputes over oil, but you put up -- you raised money to put up satellites to be able to tell us what was going on when no one was looking. >> right. >> what did the satellites tell you? >> it's an interesting thing. you know, we went to these people, digital globe, who, by the way, donated the time, and it's expensive to do. we said so what happens if, like when you google earth my house, why can't we do that to war criminals, basically? they said, okay, well well, let's see what we can do. in the last few months, in particular the last very recently, the last month or so, we have been able to get

photographs of mass graves. it's very hard to catch things like antnovs. we caught pictures of them yesterday actively dropping bombs and the plumes of smoke on villagers. not military posts. these are war crimes. this is not -- you're not firing into a military -- this isn't war. this is killing innocent civilians. we're lucky enough, if you can use that word, to be able to catch that on our satellite. that's -- i don't know what it will do except at the end of the day we certainly have evidence at the international criminal court for crimes against humanity. >> but do you think that there's a way to mobilize pressure, because you know that one of the countries perhaps the country that has the most influence in sudan is china. now, you don't have -- presumably you're not going to be able to go and meet with the premier of china and get him to do something about it, so what's the strategy? >> i've tried that. i have been to china. you can't guilt them into

things. you know? there is a strategy, though. china is the key to it. we can't really do a whole lot more in terms of sanctions. there are some things we can do, but china has a $20 billion oil infrastructure in the sudan. they get 6% of their oil imported from the sudan, and the sudan -- south sudan who has the oil, and north sudan who has the refineries. north sudan was taking that money from the oil and not giving it back and buying weapons to hurt the south. so about six week ago the south said, okay, we're done, and they shut off the oil. so china suddenly is getting no return on that money. that gives us a unique position as opposed to looking to them as a humanitarian or to do the right thing. we can meet with china, not we, but a high level government official could meet with china. let's work on this together because we both economically

would benefit by a resolution, a cross-border resolution. right now our gas prices go up as the president said in this press conference because when the chinese aren't getting their 6% from the sudan, they're getting it from somewhere else, and that raises the price for all of us. it's something that's mutually beneficial. >> what do you think of the approach of branding bashir as a war criminal, indicting him, because i know you want to do the right thing, but you also are a praying mattist. >> i think the icc is a good thing. john and i were trying to find carrots and sticks. the truth about any negotiation is you have to let someone you don't care about have some way to save some face, to get out of this. there isn't much left to do. there is no other game with this guy. you know, he -- and he haroon

and the defense minister bashir all three charged with krar crimes against humanity for their activities in darfur. they're the exact same three people who are indiscriminately bombing civilians in the mountains today. we had rockets going over our heads. >> that was a rocket. it's just sailed over there. we'll see if we can see what it hit. >> we were in villages the day after, you know, a kid got his hands blown off. these people are committing, again, the same things, and it has the exact same look as it did in 2004 in darfur. >> let me ask you about another war criminal. kony. this video that's come out, 150 million people. even more people than watch your movies. do you think that ultimately it will make a difference because you have tried to focus your activism in very specific targeted ways. this feels a little bit more like the kind of catch-all activism, let's do something about this. some of the things in the video

are inaccurate. we don't have 30,000 child soldiers. >> right. >> but the spirit is obviously admirable. this guy is a horrible person. will it make a difference? >> well, i'll tell you this, unfortunately, the one thing you have to do is when you do these is you have to be -- you have to try to be -- if you are going to air, you have to make sure you err on the side of factual as much as you possibly can. having said that, if 150 million people know his name now, that can only be good. it's only good -- the first thing we have to do, the first power we have is knowledge about this. you have to know about it and understand it, and then you get involved. i didn't know anything about darfur until i read nick krzysztof's pieces on darfur. i then got involved. you know, i think that's -- you have to have knowledge first. i think it's a good thing. >> what do you think? >> president obama sent 100 special forces to the rij of central africa to count on

insurgent activity to catch joseph kony a few months ago. it's an election year. people are criticizing heavily for doing that, and so this gives president obama a great deal of political support to maintain the course of trying to bring an end to this insurgency. yeah, it's not as bad as it was at the height when the sudan government, by the way, the same government that's bringing us the new -- was supporting the lord's resistance army. it's a very important thing to do to support this decision by the president. >> john pendergast, george clooney, pleasure to have you on. we will be back. >> why do our kids die in greater proportion and why don't we live as long? >> yeah, so infabt mortality means death before your first birthday. now, you would think a rich, successful innovative democracy could keep babies alive. of the 23 richest countries, we rank 23rd, last, in keeping baebsz alive for one year. [ woman ] my boyfriend and i were going on vacation,

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it's more than twice that of sweden and japan. and for this subpar care, we pay more than any nation in the world. almost one out of every $5 spent in america is spent on health care. viewers can catch a brand new special, global lessons, a gps road map for saving health care. at 8:00 p.m. and 11:00 p.m. eastern and pacific. we'll take you around the world to show you how other nations manage their health care and will bring the lessons back here to america. i met a journalist with the very interesting story. it's a former overseas bureau chief for the washington post, and he travelled around the world to investigate health care and try to get his bad shoulder fixed at the same time. >> you took your bad shoulder -- >> yeah. it only goes this high. >> around the world. >> yeah.

>> and where did you find that if you had -- if you could choose where you could live to deal with that bad shoulder, where would you have chosen? >> well, i would have gotten great care in the united states of america because i have very good insurance. in france the care was fabulous. you don't wait. the cost of the procedure i needed was one-seventh as much as it would have been in america. i would have gotten it in three days. japan, i was sitting in the doctor's office, and this is the only doctor who did this. he is looking at the computer while he is talking to me. he says, well, i could do it inner your shoulder or that. he says, well, maybe i'll do an operation. it would have cost about one-tenth of the price in america, and he said i probably can't do it tomorrow, but maybe next week someday? you know -- >> so -- >> i got very good recommendations and very good care in many countries. interestingly, in britain where the government -- that's socialized medicine. government pays for the insurance. that doctor said to me go home.

he said you're living a good life. you're a successful reporter. you don't need a new shoulder. we're not going to provide it. >> interesting. what they do in britain they do fine, but they don't do all the stuff we do. >> now, when you measure it by outcomes, all these countries do better than the united states. explain that to us. what does that mean? >> how do you measure? >> they measure recovery rates for major diseases. in some areas breast cancer, we lead the world in recovery from breast cancer. prostate cancer, we're number two, but a lot of diseases, diabetes, rheumatoid arthritis, lupus, we rate right at the bottom of the list. they had this measure, which is called illness immunable to care. if you have a curable disease, do you get cured? of the 19 richest nations, the united states ranks 19th on that measure. we're not really -- in some areas we're fantastic. this is why arab sheiks reply to

the mayo clinic. overall we're not doing as well as the other rich countries. >> why do we have some of the lowest rates of mortality and some of the highest rates of infant mortality? why do our kids die in greater proportion, and why don't we live as long? >> infant mortality means death before your first birthday. >> you would think a rich successful innovative democracy could keep babies alive. of the 23 richest countries, we rate last. 23rd in keeping babies alive for one year. it's not because middle class people -- women with good insurance -- they get great care. it's all the people who don't have insurance. the estimates vary, but roughly 30,000 times a year in our country 600 times a week a woman shows up in the emergency room nine months pregnant ready to give birth, and she's never seen a doctor. now, those are the babies we lose before their first birthday because she's never had care. we would save tons if we

provided every pregnant woman in america prenatal care. we would save their babies, and we would save a lot of money, but no, no, that's not our way. >> and we often hear that we're the most expensive system in the world. we cost about 16.5% of gdp. how did that compare with other rich countries? >> it's about twice as high, whether you take it as a percentage of overall wealth gdp or per capita spending. we spend about twice as much. we spend about three times as much as japan almost. germany is about 60 to 70% of what we spend. britain is half. canada is half. we're spending vastly more, and the really striking thing is we leave 50 million people without coverage. >> do you think that there's a single lesson you took from your tour around the world looking at all these different health care systems. >> well, there are many different approaches, as we said, it's not all socialized medicine.

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the correct answer. go to cnn.com/far media for more of the gps challenge and our global public square website. follow us on twitter and facebook and remember, if you miss a show, go to itunes. you can get the audio podcast for free or you can now buy it on itunes.com/fareed. this week's book of the week is by lawrence lessing. it's titled "republic lost, how money corrupts congress and a plan to stop it." if you are not familiar with the author, he is a law professor at harvard, a brlant mind whose ideas on technology and the internet have made him world famous. he brings his huge intelligence to this cause, but combines it with passion and genuine patriotism. every american voter should read this book. now for the last look. >> ever find yourself dozing off in the middle of a meeting and thanking your lucky stars that nobody caught you? yeah, me too. some delegates to the national people's congress in china

weren't as lucky as you. big yawns. even a few people blatantly napping. and it was even on a controversial topic. they were curbing the powers of police to secretly detain people. a few days later one of china's most prominent politicians was also caught in the act at the great hall of the people. you were in line for the post on the standing che of the bureau, the nine-member body which effect thifly runs china. but just one day after his very public cat nap, he was ousted from his post as communist party boss in the city. no, it's not because he snoozed. maybe they were all snoozing because the assembly is really a rubber stamp body, and the debates don't matter much. the correct answer to our gps challenge question was, b, the hardworking swiss are apparently perfectly content with only four weeks of vacation and voted no on a referendum that would have put them in line with their neighbors, most of whom