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his street cred. it's unclear if he plans to bring his song and dance routine to the world bank, but, kate, i hope he does. that is all from both of us tonight. erin burn evident "out front" starts right now. and we have breaking news right now. a vigil beginning in florida demanding justice for trayvon martin. we are going to go there live. first, moments ago a bombshell e-mail from jon corzine's last day of the ceo defunct company. the email from a firm executive says jon corzine gave direct instructions to transfer client funds to cover and overdraft in another account. it was just three months ago when jon corzine told members of congress this --
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>> anyone at mf global to misuse customer funds, never intended to, and as far as i'm concerned, i never gave instructions that anybody could misconstrue. >> well, how damning is the e-mail we now have. represented jon ghn gotti jr. i out front now. put into another account, treasure of mf global has in an e-mail, this was per jc" jon corzine's, instructions. >> we don't know if the monies transferred were actually client monies. we don't know even if they were client monies that corzine knew they were. because the account also contained firm funds which were, could have been transferred out properly, and apparently corzine and the firm nobody of represented in writing they
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weren't client funds. >> do you think there's room to dance around here? >> legal room. it looks bad at first blush but by no means open and shut a. house committee on a report as they continue to investigate. >> the bigger problem if he lied previously to congress, in more trouble than anything in terms of the underlying conduct. >> what's your take where this eventually goes? a lot of talk. bankruptcy since lehman brothers, no financial executive or anyone linked to the financial crisis has gone to jail. including countryride ceo. charged dropped. will jon corzine be the first? >> could be scapegoated. i think he'll wiggle out no matter how bad it looks now. >> because this e-mail, the worst evidence they have? is that good news or, for him or -- >> unless they're holding something back. if this is the smoking gun, the smoke is pretty hazy. >> thank you very much. mark, we appreciate the perspective. as think investigation continues, the house financial
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services committee of jon corzine. other breaking news story tonight literally at this moment, supporters gather for a candlelight vigil for teen shooting victim trayvon martin. the vigil begins as we speak. continuing to demand the arrest of neighborhood watch man george zimmerman. he claims he shot the teen in self-defense. the teen's death sparked rallies across country. for the first time today president obama weighed in. >> my main message is to the parents of trayvon martin. you know, if i had a son he'd look like trayvon, and, you know, i think they are right to expect that all of us as americans are going to take this with the seriesnessness it deserves in that we'll get to the bottom of what happened. >> also learning tonight that 28-year-old george zimmerman
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hired a defense attorney. craig sonner is his name and he spoke with cnn a couple moments ago and says right now zimmerman is in an undisclosed location for his safety, he's under a lot of stress but cooperating with the police. let's go to john zarrella at the vigil in sanford, florida, for the latest. tell us what's happening there. obviously, as dusk descends. >> reporter: just now getting started. people are still gathering here outside the allen chapel where this candlelight vigil is just getting started, and the idea tonight is to put a cap of a week of activities in this community as they honor the memory of trayvon martin. wit lighting of candles here during this one-hour ceremony. you know, last night a very large crowd, 7,000 to 10,000 people, there have been marches and demonstrations all across the country. dozens of high schools,
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walk-outs during the past two days here in florida by students showing support. another rally planned on monday in atlanta, and, of course, another big event here on monday at the city council meeting. a marched plan to that city council meeting by people here in the community and then they expect their voiceless be heard monday at that meeting, but this has been a very long week here, and you get the sense, erin, that people here are emotionally drained. if not in many respects physically drained. erin? >> thank you very much, john. obviously, hard to hear there. as it ramps up. we'll keep you posted on how many people come and how that vigil in sanford, florida, is tonight. you heard president obama weigh in into the case. that was just this morning. later today the republican candidates followed suit. >> it's chilling to hear what happened, and, of course, the fact that law enforcement didn't immediately go after and prosecute this case is another
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chilling example of, you know, obviously horrible decisions made by people in this process. >> i have faith that the american system of justice will, in fact, work, and that this is why you have a balance between the police and the district attorney. the district attorney has the ability to step in and say, wait a second. let's look at this again. they're clearly doing that. the police chief himself has been suspended. and i think that americans can recognize, and while this is a tragedy, it is a tragedy, we're going to relentlessly seek justice and i think that's the right thing to do. >> mitt romney did not comment, obviously, on camera, but he did release a written statement publicly saying "what happened to trayvon martin is a tragedy. there needs to be a far investigation that reassures the public that justice is carried out with impartiality and integrity." our panel is leer. let me start with you, john. did the president go far enough, too far, did he get right?
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>> he walked the right line. speaking as a parent reminding everyone of the commonality all parents should feel when a child, a teenager is murdered. and question remains. it wasn't political. it was personal, and speaking as the president of the united states, that's a more powerful message than by politicizing. >> you were tweets gop candidates can followers because the president came out first. >> not just because the president came out first. i've been tweeting and facebooking all this all week that romney and santorum as leaders in the president's campaign on the republican side hadn't come out and said anything. three days ago i noted sam youngman from the hill asked mitt romney on the rope line for a statement on this and mitt romney walked away and wouldn't say anything. today he didn't say anything on camera. he put it out on a statement, and the governor of florida asked for a task force today. i'm wondering whether or not the republicans decided to sit back and let the republican governor of florida lead on this before they came out and said something. i think if they want to be leaders they should have come out a little earlier and said
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something earlier than today. >> ryan? >> interesting that jamal says that. my sense, a remarkable consensus. the republican governor of florida saying we might need to revisit the law surrounding this. the co-author of the legislation saying the same so-called stand your ground legislation saying the same thing. you have major republican presidential candidates saying this is a profound tragedy. the senate republican majority lead are saying the same as well as democratic leaders across the board. a huge outpouring of sympathy and deep concern. i've got to say, saying that, well, you know, this person came first, that person came first. that doesn't seem to be the key message here. the key message seems to be that everyone is deeply troubled. the other thing about what the president said is this. there are a lot of people in this country who don't feel as if the criminal justice system is truly legitimate. that it actually gives them equal justice and they feel genuinely left out and disenfranchised. very valuable not only for the president but his candidates saying, we believe this system is going to work and hope that it works. >> bipartisan.
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go ahead? >> on that point, five days ago the justice department initiated its investigation of this. the republicans are running for president would have will to make a decision whether or not they would have asked the doj or fbi to get involved and that was the question to be answered. whether or not them, aspiring presidents works have asked for the department of justice to investigate and nerve her flig to sanchts this happened in late february and bubbled up in way unpredictable driven by social media and not the kind of thing every single person, constituent would do it the same way. >> mitt romney could have stepped up and tried to make a mark. i would call for a justice department investigation. >> the job of a attorney general -- the job of the attorney general, fundamentally different. a republican or democratic attorney general should pay attention to incidents like this, but the truth is that to hold every candidate in every race accountable, i don't know if that makes a lot of sense. >> one of the remarkable things about the case, a murder that
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occurred last month and it's grown in public awareness and public outrage. it reach as point where we can depolarize the conversation. incumbent upon republican candidates to talk of ta. some eloquently, some less than that. >> make it personal. when the president said, jamal if he had a son it would look like trayvon, a comment about race and it reminded you about something the president and wife said in a "60 minutes" interview in 2007. i wanted to play that and give awe chance to talk about it. here it is. >> sure. >> the realities are the, you know, as black man, you know, barack can get shot going to the gas station. so you know, you can't -- you can't make decisions based on fear, and the possibility of what might happen. we just weren't raised that way. >> jamal? >> well i think -- i brought that up, because, you know, some people were criticizing the president for waiting so long
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before he said something. there's something clearly in the first family. they identify with this, lived on the south side of chicago. they know the violence that occurs in communities, they know the pressure of being followed, all of those things that happen to black males. when the president came out and said trayvon -- looked, if i had a son he would look like trayvon, it struck a cord in me and a lot of people across the country that this is a real issue, and that we as a country have to deal with how we face up to this and especially at this moment where we've moved past race on so many issues and people are willing to try to find a way to work together. we still have this lingering problem that exists in the country. >> all right. thank you very much, all three of you. appreciate it. the jury's decided the fate of a millionaire charged with a deadly dui. it's official. charged with the murder of 17 afghan civilians. will he face death? going through the charges all day and break down the case with a military lawyer. and an american mother told that
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john goodman made headlines for legally adopts his girlfriend to avoid losing his fortune in the case of killing a man in a drunk driving incident. he was charged with vehicular homicide after a 2010 drunken crash driving his bentley through stop sign. criminal defense attorney joins me. guilty verdict in this case. he had tried to say, i hit the guy. i was so distraught, i went and got drunk, and -- tried to change the cause and effect. that did not work. are you surprised by this verdict? >> not at all. what i'm surprised by was the defense. the claim was he ran a stop sign. he had double the legal limit. he then, this kid was in the car and he floated to the bottom of the canal. maybe he could have been saved if somebody called 911. so he fled the seen, started drinking, a famous and good lawyer said he was in so much pain he started drinking. guess what? he had a bottle of vicodin in
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the glove compartment of the bentley. if he was in such pain, why not take the vicodin? instead he went drinking. prosecutor said he was drinking all night and the jury believed the prosecutor. >> facing 30 years in prison. >> i don't think he'll get 30 years but i think he's going to get a tough, high sentence, because -- >> what is tough and high? >> i would say, not 30 years but could be 15. could be 20. >> okay. >> it's going to be a substantial sentence, because he took the stand and he testified, and i think the judge is going to think he perjured himself under oath. the jury didn't believe this testimony. and i think there's an element of disrespect almost given to the victim of this by somebody saying that, by telling such a story that the jury so utterly rejected. >> refuted. >> yes. >> then the adopting the girlfriend. a criminal case. a verdict, a civil case, where a lot of money could be at stake. he was a wealthy man. the reason he adopted the girlfriend to put the money in
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her name. will that protect the assets in a case like this? >> it's complicated. number one a rumor that the case is secretly settled. a sealed settlement. maybe -- this makes no difference whatsoever. but the claim is that this is money that was in a trust that would have been protected from attachment anyway. when he transferred it to his girlfriend, he wasn't really protecting the money. it was totally protected in when the names of his natural children. so i don't -- that's the press on this. >> the reason for adopting the girlfriend may have been differ. at least money was -- tasteful, understandable. why else adopt your girlfriend? >> oh, the money's involved. what he's doing is she has the ability to control as much as possibility $100 million through the girlfriend. it doesn't mean that the people who were suing can now not get the money, but it does mean he has control over it. he has a motive to adopt a girlfriend. >> tragic story. a student hoop wwho was killed.
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paul will stay with us. we have another fascinating and strange case. an american woman living in israel. she had in vitro fertilization and it affected her children's citizenship. we're not kidding. told by the u.s. consul in israel if she wanted her babies to have u.s. passports she must prove they have dna from an american. we spoke to her about the story. >> that's baby maya. >> reporter: when she gave birth to her beautiful twins, she couldn't have been happier. months of fertility treatments paid off. but when this woman of chicago living in israel went to the u.s. consulate to get them passports, she was shocked. >> a guy took all my paperwork, asked all the questions and all of a sudden he said, one minute. and i knew that that meant something. i just had a gut -- >> reporter: what followed was a line of questions she says was offensive and humiliating. >> he brings out this woman and
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she said over the loud speaker, are those your children. i'm like, i don't understand. of course they're my children. you have their birth certificates, and she said, well, where did the sperm come from? whose eggs are they? and i just -- like, my world stopped. >> reporter: answer, of course, was not what the u.s. authorities needed to hear. the vice fertility treatment like many other womens involved egg and sperm donation. passports were denied. as the law stands, there has to be a biological name between parents and children for them to qualify for a passport. citizenship, in other words, follows the dna. problem is, the law hasn't kept up with advances in reproductive technology. and that means children like maya and sierra with an american mother -- but now the family's case is drawing media attention
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amid growing calls for u.s. law to be changed. it could affect many other families, too. >> it actually makes the parent, is it the biological link or everything else that goes around it? changes to keep up with life and fortunately, unfortunately, this is life today. >> reporter: and as is pointed out, children adopted by americans from abroad already get u.s. citizenship. so why not hers? matthew chance, cnn, tel aviv. paul cowen joins me again. all right. this story in a sense sounds bizarre. this woman has these children. they were in her stomach. she gave birth to them. they are her children. why is this happening? >> it does sound bizarre on the face of it. if you look at the immigration laws of the united states, they're very, very complicated. most people think it's in the u.s. constitution. right? if you're the son of an american citizen, dawe of an american citizen you're an american citizen.
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i this constitution says that. in fact, the constitution only talks about the fact that you have to be an american citizen to become president. of course, we had the whole birther controversy with president obama. in fact, congress enacts these statutes and they're very complicated, and they haven't kept up with in vitro fertilization. so now you have foreign sperm for an egg implanted in american citizen living in israel, and you know what they're saying? it's not american dna. so it's not an american citizen. well what is american dna? we all come from someplace else. right? >> yes. i'm curious what are the rules for adoption? because adopted children are adopted without american sperm or egg, they come to the united states and they become citizens. right? >> they become citizens, but only citizens after a lengthy period of time. they come over as non-citizens, and if they remain in the country for an extensive period of time, and their parents remain in the united states, they apply to become naturalized american citizens, and they become naturalized american
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citizen, and this israeli mother, israeli-american mother, dual citizenship, could bring this child to the united states and probably go through that procedure and get naturalized. >> but will the rule change now for in vitro fertilization? >> i think it will. it hasn't kept up with technology. single mothers giving birth under these conditions and it's time for congress to step up to the plate and get with the modern technology. so i think we'll is see changes here. >> let's hope we do. doesn't make sense otherwise in this case. paul cowen, thank you. two years ago today the controversial health care bill known to critics as obama care became the law of the land. on monday. is facing its toughest challenge. before the supreme court a challenge the president embraced. at the heart of the matter is whether it is constitutional to force every person in this country to buy insurance or face penalties if they don't. and health care is a hot ticket p at hot as the new ipad or seeing "hunger games." i'm slightly exaggerated because
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tickets to watch the oral arguments are in such demand there are a few people waiting in line. i know that's not an ipad line. all right. but it's really rare to have people waiting to go to a supreme court case. the legislation is complicated. there is a lot of rhetoric from both parties about what it does and doesn't do. so we actually wanted to get to the bottom line. some facts to this rather emotional debate. who does the bill help and who does it hurt? lizzy o'leary put a storybook spin on those questions. >> reporter: meet jack and jill. they're married with two kids and together make $49,000 a year. about the middle american income. but like 15 million people with similar incomes, they don't have health insurance. not good if you're worried about falling down a hill. under the new law, jack and jill are winners. they can buy private insurance from what's calmed an exchange starting in two years. the idea is that lots of people buying at the same time month
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get a better price. and the plans have to meet minimum standards set by the government. jack and jill would also get a subsidy to help them buy their plan. mary only makeses 13ds,000 selling little lambs. she's also a winner. she can get insurance under an expansion of medicaid. 17 million americans like her will be a little for that. and about 51,000 kids with pre-existing conditions, like hansel and gretel are also winners and can't be denied coverage ratch and all kids can stay on their parents insurance until they're 26. where's the money come from? that brings us to the losers. including the roughly 19% of americans who have high-cost gold-plated health care plans. like prince charming here. starting in 2018, that fancy plan he gets from his job at the castle would be taxed at 40%. he will also see his payroll taxes go up like the 3 million other american whose make more
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thanes 200,000 a year. losing end, companies like fairy godmother employees employing more than 50 people making glass slippers. so it has to offer insurance or pay a fine. 94% of similar sized companies already do. so only a small number would pay more under the new law. we end this story with a toss-up. insurance companies would both win and lose. they'll have to pay the government more than $8 billion a year, but they get up to $40 million new customers, like jack and jill, who by law must get insurance or pay a penalty. lizzy o'leary, cnn. a very creative take and answered a lot of questions. next "out front" we go to france and outside the bullet riddled apartment who killed people. and a u.s. soldier accused of murdering 17 afghan civilians. battle speech right? may i?
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we start the second half of our show with stories we care about where we focus in our own reporten and dot out front five. first, president obama ready to get on a plen flying around the world to meet with other world leaders for a nuclear security summit in south korea. the president arrives in seoul on sunday. it's a long flight. a big-time change. one of the main topics what to do about north korea's pursuit
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the nuclear weapons. last month they announced halting work on nuclear facilities. secretary of state hillary clinton was also very cautious. number two, france's prime minister said today police had no grounds to arrest a gunman before his killing spree which left seven dead. mohamed merah under surveillance. france 2 television got video from inside his apartment. you see it with the bullet holes. this video came right after the 32-hour standoff ended with police shooting merah. we were told police wouldn't let him be a part of the negotiations. he thinks the outcome would have been different if he could have caulked to merah, maybe he wouldn't be dead and they could get information from him. three, a temporary blackout of molly and state tv sparking rumors's continued clashes, but
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the leaders of the coup in the african country are still in power and the president unaccounted for. the united states is threatening to suspend aid to mali it fears is becoming a refuge for al qaeda extremists. the african union suspended them as well. he said he took action because the government wasn't taking on rebels. he was there last month and told me he thinks most malians are interested. al qaeda, they were upset when moammar gadhafi was executed. my source tells me he was buying hotels investing in the country and his death added to dissatisfaction. four, the groupies and of "the hunger games" books are in high heaven. the movie opens tonight. experts say it will have the biggest march opening of and could be the biggest movie of the year. lionsgate which made the film said "hunger games" brought ins 20ds million alone in midnight sales. analysts say it could bringses 125 million in its first
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weekend. fewer than 20 movies in history actually opened at more than $120 in a weekend. "hunger games" is what the box office needs. u.s. theaters have seen a 4% drop in sales over the past year. and it's been 232 since the u.s. lost its top credit rating. what are we doing to get it back? housing continues to be a problem. today sales of new homes came in. they fell in february by 1.6%. a little bit of a silver lining, though, for 9 market overall and them selling, prices up 8%. the army staff sergeant accused of killing afghan civilians in a shooting rampage officially charged this afternoon. 17 counts of premeditate the murder. 28-year-old robert baems also faces six counts of assault and attempted murder, defense officials say more charges could be coming his way. if convicted on even one of the 17 murder charges, bales will be sentenced to life in prison with the possibility of parole. the maximum he could face, the
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death penalty. ted rowla ted rowlands has been covering the story from the beginning. let me ask you, ted, first if you could clear up. last night trying to make sense of 17 charges when reports of 16 civilians murders. turns out there was another tern killed. right? >> reporter: yes. it's interesting, erin. the afghan government still has their casualty list at 16 but the united states government and charging documents released today say they have evidence that robert bales killed 17 innocent afghani citizens. that's what he's charged with. >> i know he spoke with his wife for only the second time. do you know what they talk about? >> reporter: we don't. the army allowed that conversation to take place during a blackout period. they made a special exception to allow bales to talk with his wife. it was a phone conversation. she didn't come leer to leavenworth. they did talk we understand for a period of time and the army allowed them to have that
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conversation, even though technically he was in a blackout period for another few days. >> ted i wanted to ask you about the mitigating factors. i know you've spoken to sergeant bales' attorney. this morning he tried to talk about the quote/unquote mitigating factors on "cbs this morning." here he is. >> you know, that's a disney movie compared to what these guy, going through. you know, just seeing people blown apart next to you, picking up body parts, putting them in bags. >> ted, any way they do not go for the death penalty because of things like that? >> reporter: well, absolutely. there's a chance that they will not pursue the death penalty down the road. coming up next, you're going to have the article 32. but before that or during that procedure, during that ongoing article 32 invest gays, they could have a panel to evaluate sergeant bales mentally.
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a psych panel and look to see if there are mitigating factors the lawyer claims are present that would change the charges against him, or at least possibly the penalties, but this is a long, drawn out process, and we haven't heard that that has taken place as of yet or that there are any plans to have that take place. >> ted rowlands, live from fort leavenworth tonight. now sergeant bales, this issue of the death penalty and whether error that is what prosecutors will go for. obviously being accused of premeditated murder a lawyer is fighting back. listen to -- we just played with the lawyer, charlie rose, trying to talk about the body bags and things he had seenance his client. how painful the situation may have been. joining us, jeffrey king, defense military lawyer. jeffrey, when you heard what sergeant bales' attorney said just this morning, do you think that he has a real case for mitigating factors here or not? >> absolutely. without question. the mental status of staff
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sergeant bales will be the overriding factor in this case. the first thing that will happen, the reporter mentioned, a 706 board. actually both sides most likely ask the commander to convene this board and have a medical board, medical personnel evaluate staff sergeant bales for really two things. the first would be his mental responsibility at the time of the incident and secondly, if he's even mentally competent to stand trial. >> and isn't there, though, going to be -- supposedly it's a legal proceeding, but immense political pressure to go for the death penalty when 17 innocent people were killed? >> absolutely. and that goes to why this is actually going to be such a long, drawn out process. >> uh-huh. >> there is no defense attorney in his right mind will let this thing go to trial anytime soon, because the whole world is so fired up and wrapped around these issues. so it will take a long time to bring this thing to trial and
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for that very reason. >> how long will it take? we've talked about, that it could take years. could take a decade theoretically for the appeals process to go through, but given the politics here, given that this is a war zone and the united states role in afghanistan may depend in part on how this is handled. isn't there going to be pressure to move this quickly? finish the investigation and get the trial done, not stall? >> i think there will be pressure to get answers and move things along from outside parties, but it's going to take a very long time to actually bring this to trial, and there's so many factors that play into that. for instance, as the attorney was saying earlier, with the fact that they don't seem to have any forensic evidence. i mean, we're talking about a crime scene in a combat zone. everything is exponentially more difficult not to mention more dangerous when you're trying to preserve a crime scene in a combat zone. all that has to be evaluated, gather that evidence first before we can get it underare
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way. for the trial, i imagine at a minimum, about two years out until even arraignment, possibly. >> wow. hoard to believe. jeffrey king, thank you. appreciate it, military defense lawyer. ill israelis and iranians are worried about the prospect of war but went online. israelis and iranians, and did something pretty special. no matter what small business you are in, managing expenses seems to... get in the way. not anymore. ink, the small business card from chase introduces jot an on-the-go expense app made exclusively for ink customers. custom categorize your expenses anywhere. save time and get back to what you love. the latest innovation. only for ink customers. learn more at chase.com/ink
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county sheriff office arrest add man who sent a threatening e-mail with the subject line, coming after you. bill lee stepped aside yesterday amid the fury over the handling of the shooting death of trayvon martin. in other news, george zim e zimmerman hired and attorney. craig, thank you for coming "outfront." why did you decide to take on this case? >> well, at this point, there seems like the case is spiraled into being an issue over race, and upon talking with my client, i don't believe that that's the case at all. i've talked with him and with people who know him, and he's not known for being a racist, and whatever transpired that night, i think the issue is, was it an issue of self-defense or what actually occurred that night, rather than an issue of race. >> what has george zimmerman told you about what happened that night?
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>> i have not discussed that, and that would be attorney/client privilege tra that i couldn't reveal at this point anyway. he has been cooperative upon my advice with police, law enforcement in their investigation of what happened that night. what evidence they have and so on, i haven't seen all of it and don't know the details of it. there's an ongoing investigation and i'm not going to make any comment on those issues at this point. the thing we want to come out with now is that issue is not over race. >> and why not? what did he tell you about race? have you had a conversation with him about whether he just made an assumption because it was an african-american teenager he felt more threatened, because of trayvon's race? >> no. as i said, was race an issue in this? and he told me, no. i talked with -- it was a mentor to some african-american
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children. a single mother had a 13-year-old -- 14-year-old boy, 13-year-old girl, and george meantered the boy and his wife meantered the girl. what that entailed was a program where they every other week they'd take them somewhere for two or three hours. maybe to the mall. maybe to lunch. maybe to the science center. or maybe just go play basketball somewhere, and that's something that george did with these children. and i spoke to their mother, and their mother trifrted him. i said, do you believe that george is a racist, and she said, no. and he also participated in fund-raisers for their church, which is primarily african-american. >> uh-huh. >> and the people i've talked to so far and as well as george, i don't see any indication that it had to do with anything with race. >> is george zimmerman concerned for his safety? >> i'm concerned for his safety, and i believe he is, too. there have been numerous
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threats. i've come out with these interviews just since 5:00 today. i've already gotten threatening phone calls myself. so i think that he should be fearful of any retribution. i mean, there's, within -- as lawyers say, within the four corners of the document, there's a poster out there on 8 1/2x11 sheet that says, waubtded dead or alive with his picture on it. my advice to him, to my client, take that seriously. there are people who really mean you harm. >> what kind of threats you have received, craig? i know george received specific -- >> i don't -- i don't have the specifics of george's. i guess, but there were so many as i understand that they got unlisted numbers at this time. mine was saying that i was a racist and i forget what other profanity they used and hung up on me. so -- >> do you have police protection, craig? >> there's a lot -- not at this time. >> do you feel that you need it? >> no.
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>> one key question a lot of people have here that all of us have had trouble understanding is how someone who has a gun ends up killing someone who does not have a gun. trayvon martin did not have a gun. an arizona iced tea and skittles is what he had. how are you going to prove that it is justifiable homicide to kill someone that did not have a gun? regardless of the race issue? >> well, that's a good question. and it's going to come down to what the evidence shows. and i don't know what all the evidence is or what transpired that night. that's what the trial is going to be about. and that's hopefully what the trial will stay about and not about being angry over a racial issue. and that's, i think that's the point i'm trying to make this evening, is that, you know, let the police, let the investigators do their job. let's see what the evidence shows. my client claims it was self-defense. and, of course, i'm -- inclined
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to believe him and hope we can prove that it was self-defense, and prove that in a court of law, and force the government to prove beyond a reasonable doubt it was self-defense and where it should be -- >> specifically stand your ground statute? self-defense? >> in my opinion, in my legal opinion, that's not really applicable to this case. the -- statute on stand your ground is primarily when you're in your house. this is self-defense. that's been around forever. you have a right to defend yourself. so the next issue is going to come up is, was he justified in using the amount of force he did? and that will be the question when we go to trial. >> and finally -- a final question for you, craig. do you have a message for trayvon martin's family? >> we're -- i'm very sorry for their loss. the loss of a child is just, it's got to be -- it's
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devastating. it's just a terrible thing that happened, that someone lost their life in this way. >> all right. craig sonner, thank you very much for taking the time to join us. george zimmerman's attorney hired late this afternoon. we'll see how that transpires but important to hear he will not use the stand your ground defense. he thinks self-defense is the appropriate way to go. anderson cooper with a look on what's coming up on ac 360. >> an attorney working for george zimmerman for about two or three weeks now. not just today. i also asked him if george zim eerman has a message for trayvon martin's family. he said, no, he does not. not at this time. we'ralities going to speak to the mayor of sanford, florida, about how this community is coping with this trafty and if the mayor himself has confidence in his own police department's investigation. turns out many residents of sanford certainly don't have much trust in the police department. tom foreman looks at reasons why
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so take a look at this. an israeli graphic designer named ronny edry posted this picture of himself and his daughter on facebook last weekend. it got a lot of likes. so he started a whole page called israel loves iran. a page which now has over 29,000 likes and has inspired israelis to upload their own messages of peace. it was amazing to go through them today. he told the national, a newspaper from iran that israelis think we want to bomb them and want to show them that wooer mothers and father twhantz the best for their children. that brings me tonight's number, 7,256. that's how many likes the page iran loves israel has gotten. that's rightment a group of iranians started a page to send the love back to iranian israel.
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they posted anti-war message onz this page. we went on today and saw messages like why must people suffer because of their government? and, yes, of course, some people made fun of the campaign and created parodies. but for the most part, people have embraced the campaign's original anti-war message. and that's good because governments can get in the way of and act against the wishes of those they represent. and social media, because or perhaps because of the anonymity often lends itself to relentless negativity in bringing people down but not this time. for a great, great opportunity, social media is being used to build people up and inspire our leaders to work towards peace. and that is something we celebrate tonight. something else we celebrate tonight is a little bit more in the mundane but it is something that, frankly, changed the world of bagels forever. that's next. there's big news. presenting androgel 1.62%.
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tonight's idea, the man who disrupt the the way america eats. he was a true innovator in his field. tonight, we remember him. the bagel's long journey from jewish street food to one of america's favorite breakfast foods began with, get this, a slice of pizza and a charismatic and quirky man named murray lender. >> i haven't gone soft.
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i just hate bagels that get hard the day after you buy them. >> almost 70 years ago, he was enjoying a slice of pizza when struck with an idea. what if he could teach the nonjewish world to love bagels as much as he loved pizza? but there was a problem, how to keep them fresh. at the time, bagels had to be consumed day of and couldn't be transported. so young murray did something no self-respecting bagel maker at the time would have ever considered -- he stuck the bagels in the freezer. lender's became first bakery in the world to freeze bagels and is now the best-selling bagel brand in america, a staple on grocery lists. >> i do. i buy them a lot. >> murray lender passed away on wednesday at the age of 81. but his seemingly small idea shaped the bagel literally. ♪ oh, i love that bagel even more than ever before ♪ ♪ they go down

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