budget deficit, kimmed the bill that would have given him money for the 17 years he spent innocent behind bars. that's it for tonight's show. i'm drew griffin. >> i'm randi kaye. >> i'm randi kaye. thanks for joining us. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com tonight, she's been in the center of many of the biggest legal cases of the last few decades. >> i think we're beginning to unhas k scott peterson. we'll find out who he really is. it is time for tiger woods to take responsibility. mr. cane, instead, decided to provide her with his idea of a stimulus package. >> top lawyer gloria allred opens up as never before. >> i'm intrigued by you and i'm someone who watches your show almost every night. >> gloria allred, a passion for women's rights. >> it matters if any man hurts any woman. >> her daughter, lisa blume.

>> my mother is brilliant and passionate and tenacious. >> and the moment i never saw coming. >> i have a little gift for you. it's actually a subpoena. this is from your audience. whom i am representing. it's to you, piers morgan. i want you to tell us under oath how many times you have been properly in love. under oath. >> i'm not objecting there. piers morgan interview starts now. one woman strikes fear into the hearts of powerful men from herman cain to tiger woods. if you've got a secret to keep, you do not want to hear that gloria allred is on the case. she's the most famous female attorney in the country. she's been making headlines for years. what matters to her most is her crusade against victim rights. i was trying to think of the last time you actually sat to do an interview by yourself and not one of your clients. when was it? >> just like this? never. >> really?

>> yes. >> why are you doing this? >> well, you invited me. and i'm intrigued by you. and i'm someone who watches your show almost every night. and i'm just intrigued and also, of course, it's an opportunity to talk about empowering women, empowering minorities and the fact that we still have not won complete equality in this country. >> here's the fascinating thing about you. i've been immersed in all things gloria allred. for a couple of days. because i knew you'd be a tricky one to interview. you'd be trying to push me away from anything that's remotely sensitive about your life and we'll come to those juicy bits a bit later. here's the thing. there are two gloria allreds. there's the one that's done the following. forced the l.a. county sheriff's officers to abandon the practice of shackling women in prison in hospitals as they went through labor and childbirth.

you argued for people with aids who have been let go from jobs. you won a settlement against holocaust deniers on behalf of a survivor of auschwitz. you chipped away at the l.a. district attorney to the endorsed a program to collect from deadbeat dads and so on. all of these incredibly important, ground breaking, courageous actions that you've fought that are absolutely in keeping with the positioning of gloria allred as this crusading campaigning attorney. then there's the other side. which is, i don't know, some would argue slightly more trivial. in 1980, you went off to the elisiam fields nudists colony. for charging men more for love making classes than it tid women. and you raged a public campaign against madonna claiming she record a pro-choice song to make amends for "papa don't preach." which gloria allred are you?

>> i'm the gloria allred who is an attorney and part of our law firm. i've been practicing law for 36 years. we are a civil rights law firm. we have won more women's rights cases and civil rights cases than any other private law firm in the nation. we've won over $250 million for victims just in the last ten years alone. and we believe that women and minorities are entitled to equality, to liberty, to freedom, and to dignity. to equal rights in every way. and you take that yellow balloon case, for example, piers, that you just mentioned. that was a form of economic equality. for little girls to be charged more for their haircuts than little boys. and in that case we represented a sister and a brother. and that was a case of economic inequality because it took the same level of education and experience and time, we alleged, to cut that little girl's hair as it did to cut the little boy's hair. and, therefore, they should have

not had separate pricing for little girls and little boys. >> do you believe that men and women should be absolutely equal in everything? >> i do believe that under the law, under the constitution of the united states and under our public policy that women deserve and should have a right to enjoy equal employment opportunity. >> i agree with a lot of what you've done. i agree with 90% of what you've done. some of the more trivial ones make me laugh. they're probably publicity seeking because it's good for business. i get that. >> i don't agree with your assumption. >> really? >> what we do -- >> do you ever do anything for publicity? >> we do cases of public interest and importance. we believe that women who are discriminated against and minorities, for example, people who are gay, people who are lesbian, people who are transgender, bisexual, minorities who have been discriminated against, racial minorities, that they should have a voice. >> i agree with all that. >> that their cases matter. >> how far does equality go?

i come back to if a man is able to do it -- i'm not saying i agree with this. i'm throwing it out. if a man is able to do something better than a woman, should he be entitled to be paid more money or should there be equality because simply because a woman may not have the power of a man to play to that ability? >> it really depends on the particular facts. what we're talking about is -- >> what do you think? i have 80% female staff, for example. >> but, of course, it's better than it used to be. but, you know, often people who are conservative -- i'm not saying you're one of those people -- will look back and say -- >> did you call me a conservative? >> no. i'm not saying you're one of those people. i'm not interested in characterizing it. i'm saying some people look back and say, it's better than it used to be. well, yes. but i look forward. have we achieved equality under the law? the answer is clearly no. and i want our daughters to enjoy equal rights under the law. i don't want them to be sexually harassed on the job. and we have done many cases where women have been sexually harassed.

>> do you feel there's a grief for men who get treated badly by women bosses? do you feel angry for the men or all women against men? >> actually, we have had a number of cases where we represent men who have been discriminated against in employment on account of their gender. but we've had those cases in the past. i objected many years ago, this was a well known case towards the beginning of my career where there was a commission on the status of women created in santa monica and they excluded men from being able to participate. and i went before the court and i argued that that was discrimination against men. that men have a stake in the equality for women. and that men should not be excluded from that conversation and especially not from a governmental entity that was going to opine about that. >> does it worry you that for all the very good cases you fight, where there's clear evidence of dit crimination or

harassment or whatever it may be, does it worry you that you have almost single handedly created an atmosphere, a culture, perhaps, where people who want to try it on and who want to make a few quick bucks by claiming discrimination and harassment can now do that because of this atmosphere that you have help eed prop ul gate? does that worry you? >> no. not at all. because we are a plaintiffs law firm. we screen our cases very, very carefully. we make sure that we have the facts. we've investigated the facts. and, you know, we can only take a small number of all of the cases that people ask us to take. so, no. the weak cases we are not taking. but i'm happy when women who believe they have been discriminated against on the account of their gender seek the advice of any attorney whether it's myself or anyone else in the country. and say i feel that i've been discriminated against on the job or sexually harassed. is there something i can do about it? do i have a strong enough case? i don't want them to judge that themselves. we act like private attorney generals. in enforcing the rights.

and we look forward to women standing up and asserting their rights and protecting their rights and vindicating their rights in a court of law. we're very proud of those women who have the courage to do so. >> and men? >> and men as well. >> occasionally. take a little break. come back and get into some of the high profile cases you've taken on. >> love it. >> because you seem to be popping up with almost all of them, gloria. one of the more predictable elements in any scandal, gloria, is you in that little red top of yours. that the university of phoenix has we have a very progressive online learning environment. we have something called phoenix connect that allows students to have a social network. you can post discussion questions. we have more than twenty thousand faculty members, chances are one of them is online when you need some assistance. i'm ron gdovic, i'm committed to providing my students with a twenty-first-century education and i am a phoenix.

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you do pop up when you're, i guess, taking on -- and for that reason, you've become the kind of legal counsel. do you like that? >> i like empowering my clients. i like providing them with a voice that they otherwise might not have. because i think they matter. the typical person matters. not just celebrities in our culture matter. and this is what we do. we go up against the rich, the powerful, the famous, big corporations, government, celebrities, batterers, wrong doers, killers. wrong doers of all kind, sexual harassers. and we allow that individual person to fight that -- i'll call it a davita and goliath battle or david and goliath battle and often win. and, yes, people say oh, my god. how could you go up against them? i mean these celebrities often they have their entourages and they have their pr people and army of lawyers and their managers and everybody else. who does that individual person have? they have us. and they get to have a voice.

>> roman polanski, that i get. there you have serious allegations of serious sexual misconduct. tiger woods is an interesting case to me. because he's a golfer. what really is the public interest in exposing tiger woods when it comes down to, yes, there's the role model argument. and he's making money from whoever. gillette or whatever it may be. but actually does it matter what tiger woods does in his private life? why did you feel compelled to expose him? >> well, it matters if any man hurts any woman. and in the case of jocelyn james whom i represented, she was hurt. she was deceived. she was lied to. and he never even offered her an apology. >> she was a porn star, right? >> she was an adult film star, yes. >> and she went on to make an adult movie based on tiger woods' text messages. >> well, you know, she has a right to have a career. she gave it up for him. >> but how -- >> let me just say, he asked her to give up her career because he

was jealous that she would be with anyone else. she did at great economic sacrifice to herself. >> yes. >> and then -- >> she doesn't seem to have been -- >> after the scandal, yes, she had to go and make a living. >> she went and made a porn movie starring tiger woods' text messages. how hurt could she have been if she felt able to do that? that's my point. >> those of us who lead a more privileged life and are able to make a very nice living the way you are and the way i am, i don't think we should look down our nose and other people who have to make difficult choices about how they make a living. it's not for me to sit here and judge or second guess how anybody makes a living. >> whoa, whoa, whoa. >> i'm so glad anyone is able to work. >> remind. i wasn't making any moral judgment about her career. she's perfectly entitled to be in the entertainment industry. my point is how hurt could she have been by tiger woods if she then just the moment it was over went out and made loads of money making porn movies starring his text messages?

it seemed to me that she was one of the cases where you were at your weakest. you've had some where you've been very strong. i just wonder sometimes when you watch what she did afterwards, do you slightly sit back and go, maybe i should have left that one alone? >> not at all. >> really? >> no. >> because i did for you. >> i'm not a politician that sits there and puts my finger in the wind, sees which way it's blowing. i'm going to stand up for women. i stood up for women that are adult film stories, judges, secretaries, factory workers, farm workers. you name it, we've had it just about. and i -- >> do you ever regret afterwards taking on cases because of the way that, perhaps, the person you've been defending or prosecuting on behalf of, because of their behavior afterwards? do you have moments of self-reflection afterwards? >> no. i'm so proud of my clients and the courage they've shown. you have no idea.

we are a living -- i feel i live in a war zone every day for women where we are fighting for their rights against very powerful, very well-funded forces. i'm so proud of the courage of my clients. they come in and often crying on a glass table like this, tears all over the place. and then i see them evolve from victims to survivors to fighters for change and standing up and being empowered and then going on and empowering children and co-workers and other people in their community. >> where does, for example, the rights of tiger woods' wife override the rights of the adult entertainment star who has been having an affair with him who just feels a bit, you know, aggrieved by the fact he isn't actually going to stay with her? where do the rights of his wife come into that in terms of your moral compass? >> i wouldn't characterize the fact that ms. james was upset that he wouldn't stay with her. okay? it was his lying. it was the deception. it's the way he treated her after three years of an intimate relationship, over 1,000 text messages and flying her around and making her feel that she was the only one.

as to his wife, of course she has rights. and i assume that she asserted them. and i'm glad that she did so. because that would be her right. >> you know the point i'm getting at, though? you sort of paint a very compelling picture. because you're very eloquent about this. of this poor, unsuspecting adult entertainment star who got duped by tiger woods. >> would you think it's okay for men to lie to women and break their hearts? i don't. i make no apology for that. >> no. what i wonder, though -- >> i don't think men should be able to hurt women and then just walk away and throw them out like a piece of garbage. >> but she knew he was married. >> of course she knew he was married. >> does she not care about mrs. woods? >> of course she did. but do you care about women being hurt by men whom they trusted, whom they loved, who they had every reason to believe loved them. >> i hear that. >> that's it. do you care about the rights of women? do you care about all those women across this country who are being hurt and men treat them like oh, that is just an

afterthought. they can walk away after being in a long-term relationship with them. >> i'm not condoning it. but if you're mrs. woods and you see this adult entertainment star claiming my life's been ruined. then she just goes out and starts making movies. >> she didn't say my life's been ruined. those of us that have a lot of opportunities shouldn't look down on those who are trying to make a living. >> no. no. you keep trying to paint me as a -- >> i don't represent his wife. i don't know what her thoughts were. i'm glad she stood up for herself. >> i'm not making any moral position or argument about what she does for a living. what i'm saying is if you go out after all this, after you've gone out and said tiger woods treated me really bad to me. he lied to me. he broke promises. but if you then go and make movies based on text messages, all that's going to do is really add to the hurt and humiliation and public shame of tiger woods' wife. and i'm curious as to where you representing that client would have a view about that kind of behavior and say maybe that's

not a good idea. >> you know, i just don't sit in judgment of my clients. they have to -- >> ever? >> they have to survive. they have to make a living. i'm proud of her that, you know, she's trying to make a living. you know, not everybody has a lot of options to make a living like you do and like i do. >> let's come back after the break and talk about the political cases. because there i have a little bit more sympathy. [ male announcer ] this is genco services -- mcallen, texas. in here, heavy rental equipment in the middle of nowhere, is always headed somewhere. to give it a sense of direction, at&t created a mobile asset solution to protect and track everything. so every piece of equipment knows where it is, how it's doing or where it goes next. ♪ this is the bell on the cat. [ male announcer ] it's a network of possibilities -- helping you do what you do... even better.

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provide her with his idea of a stimulus package. >> he did suggest in his earlier e-mails that he was aware that a potential twitter sex scandal might occur and that conservatives were behind it. >> until she decided to run for governor in 2009, it appears that ms. whitman had no problem or concern about employing an undocumented worker. >> when there's a big political scandal making tv headlines you with be sure gloria all reason red will be there or thereabouts. she's back with me now. i think you're on much stronger ground with all these political cases. because you look at whether it's anthony weiner or herman cain. most of them resign or get into political fallout as a result. what is the motivation for you? is it ever political or is it always strictly legal? >> well, we represent victims rights. that's basically who we are as a

law firm. in the case of meg whitman, we represented the housekeeper who wanted to speak out. that was also an employment case. and we felt that that was an important issue, a public interest and concern. and we also went ahead, by the way, and recovered wages she was due from ms. whitman. in the case of herman cain, we had sharon bialek who wanted to speak out. so we helped to empower her. helped her to have a voice to speak out. and to speak the truth. i do think the truth matters. and it may make some people uncomfortable. >> should having an affair preclude a man from running for office? >> i think that if -- >> if that was the case, then there would be no jfk. there would be no bill clinton. there would be no newt gingrich. i mean, there would be lots of people who have been at the top of the american political life

who would have never had careers. where to you draw the line? >> i think that politicians, if they are going to seek the highest office in the our land, the presidency of the united states of america, they need to be honest with the american public and put it all out there. and not be hypocrites. don't present themselves as the perfect family man if they played around, if they've had affairs. put it out there. the public will decide if it matter or not. >> newt gingrich has been now pretty open and said look this is all in my past. i'm married now for the third time. i'm very happy. i'm a changed man. are you happy with that? are you happy for him to restart politically if he likes? >> let me just say, i'm not a person who is going to vote for any of the potential republican nominees for the presidency. but not for those reasons. for the reason that they are against the right to choose abortion and i believe that women must have safe and legal and available abortions in this country. and i'm not going to be willing to go back to the days when states had a right to criminalize abortion and right

now we've got, like, 88%, almost, of all the counties in the united states, a woman can't even get an abortion even though it is legal. because of all the harassment of doctors, harassment of the clinics, the threats that are made against them, the constant restrictions that certain legislatures are placing on a woman's right to choose abortion. that hurts the poor. it hurts the young. it's just absolutely wrong. so i can't support any of those potential nominees for that reason. and also because they're not willing to say that gays and lesbians should enjoy marriage equality. and that is an affront to their dignity. it is an affront to the respect that gay and lesbian individuals have a right to enjoy, to say they should have some other status like civil unions rather than full equality. we fought in our law firm for six years in the california courts and we won a case in the california supreme court. and as a result of another case that we argued in the supreme court, 14,000 couples were permitted, gay and lesbian

couples were permitted to marry in california. i'm against all the republican nominees because they wouldn't afford equal rights. >> i have a shocking thing to tell you. i agree with you. let's have a break and come back and talk about your motivation, particularly the abortion issue. you went through this harrowing experience as a younger person. you were raped at gun point and you were impregnated. you had to have an illegal abortion and nearly died. that, i think, is a strong motivating factor for why you feel so passionate about this, and i totally understand why. [ male announcer ] introducing the dell xps 13 ultrabook™, powered by a second gen intel® core™ i5 or i7 processor. everything. and more. ♪ oh!

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now i feel that it is time to support the brave woman jane rowe, who is also under attack. many of us believe that jane is being attacked because she's a symbol in the abortion debate. and because she had the courage to speak out in support of her supreme court case. an attack on her is therefore an attack on all of us. >> gloria allred speaking out for the woman jane roe 16 years after roe versus wade. you in 1966, you went to mexico on a vacation. you met a doctor. and a long, horrible story short, he took you back to a motel room and at gun point he

raped you. and he made you pregnant. and you then had to have an illegal abortion which nearly killed you. a real life defining moment, i would imagine. tell me about that experience and tell me how much of a motivating factor that's been in turning you into this crusading campaigning woman, particularly for issues like abortion rights and so on. >> well, most women, including myself, are feminists because of their own life experiences. in other words, i've never had a women's studies class, i wish i had. but i am a person who strongly believes in fighting against violence against women. and the right to choose legal and safe and available abortions because of my own life experience. and because i had trouble collecting child support. i think there should be better child support laws to make it easier for those single moms to support their children so they don't have to go on welfare. yes, it's my own life experience. and because abortion was illegal at the time, not illegal for a

woman to get an abortion, but illegal, a crime for a doctor to perform one, it was unsafe and illegal. it was what many of us called our women's vietnam. more women died or were maimed by illegal unsafe abortions when it was illegal than, frankly, men ever died or were maimed in vietnam and that was horrible for so many men and their families. but this is an overlooked fact. and that's why i feel so passionate about fighting to make sure that women have their reproductive rights. and i want women to be trusted, piers. i want to trust women with the choice as to whether they have an abortion. not these politicians in washington or in state legislatures. no one else has the right to make that choice for women. they should have that right. >> what happened to that guy that raped you? >> i have no idea. >> did you ever see or hear of him again? >> i never did. i went back to the united

states. i felt at the time, who was i? nobody was going to believe me against a well known mexican doctor. i never thought that i could do anything in mexico. it never occurred to me. and so i just came back to the united states. >> you never found out what happened to him? >> never found out. >> what are your feelings towards him now? >> you know, i generally don't look back. i look forward. but i take what i believe was an extremely negative experience and i try to turn it into a positive. it helps me to understand others. and i have represented many women who have been survivors of violence against them, of rape, of child sexual abuse, of other kinds of violence. and i think i have a sympathy for them, an empathy for them, because i have lived it. and because i have lived it, i can help them to become empowered and put this all in perspective. not to forget it. but to put it in perspective to know that there are many choices you can make to help others given your experience.

>> we're going to bring on your daughter shortly. but the man that was her father, somebody you married when you were both young. he turned out to have a bipolar condition. that wasn't identified at the time. he was pretty abusive to you. physically abusive to you. very sad. he later committed suicide. how much did that shape, again, the passion that you have for these women's rights? because it sounded an awful experience for you. >> well, i mean, i was in love with him at first. i met him in college. and, you know, there's a lot positive that i remember about him. but, of course, ending up as a single mom, raising a child on my own for a number of years, it really taught me a lot and helps me to have sympathy for others. and i will say the most positive thing that came out of that relationship is i have a beautiful daughter who i think's

brilliant and sweet and understands her duty to her family and to her community and lives her values. and so i'm proud that i -- >> were you able -- >> -- i had my daughter. >> were you able to forgive your first husband for the abuse when you discovered about this bipolar? >> it wasn't about forgiving. i always wanted him to be able to have a role in my daughter's life. because i believe that when you get divorced from somebody and you have children, you're getting divorced to them. because you want the other parent to be able to continue in that child's life in a way that is safe for the child. and i try to look to the best in people. and i am basically an optimist. and i look for the best. but i do prepare for the worst. >> you had a second marriage, 18 years to william allred. you still have his name. that ended badly. and you got divorced. and he went through criminal charges for various things. it's been said that you felt very betrayed by him.

but you've never really said why. >> and i never will. but all i can say, that was then and this is now. and, again, i'm focused on helping women, helping minorities and that's what my life is all about. and i'm blessed to be able to have this life. i'm privileged to be in a law practice with my partner, same partners for 36 years, michael moracco and nathan goldberg and other wonderful partners and associates that i have there. and i'm just blessed to be able to do what i do. and try to win change and work to win change and make it a better life for others so that they can go on in their lives. and that's what i'm focused on. it's really not about me. it's about helping others. and that's what i believe. >> let's bring out somebody after the break who you have helped indisputably. you raised her as a single mom, through thick and thin, through the tough times and good moms. lisa? welcome. >> thank you. >> how great is my mom? >> she's pretty special. how to . [ beeping ] in here, data knows what to do. because the network finds it

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>> she's the new improved. version. >> i'm going to be gentlemanly but for one good reason. i think people will be shocked by the answer. tell me how old you are. >> i'm 70. >> you see, you do not look 70. does she? >> i'll answer, too. i'm 50. >> that's even more ridiculous. you defy normal age conventions. >> it's not a crime to get old. although a lot of women in this town think that it is. it's silly. we should be healthy and take care of ourselves. >> you know, especially considering the alternative to getting older, getting older is just great. as a matter of fact, in this country, i think women should get medals for getting older. >> your mother is a fascinating creature in many ways. >> she is. and cute. >> what a good girl she is. >> here's the interesting thing about you. so you haven't had a vacation since the early '80s. is that true? >> no one can remember when i took a vacation. >> she doesn't. >> you never a vacation?

>> i've had a vacation. well, years ago i took my grandchildren on vacation. when they were unmarried. >> but you don't take vacations. >> i don't want vacations. >> why? >> because i have too much to fight for. >> you have a 10-year-old car? >> it's a nice car. >> you don't collect art. you don't really collect material things? >> i don't. >> she got a couple pieces of art. >> most people who are artists wouldn't call them art. but in any event. >> the point is that material things don't seem -- people may look upon gloria allred from all they've heard about you and say she's only in all this for the money. i don't get that sense when i research your life that money is a motivating factor for you. i just don't. >> justice is the motivating factor. you know, providing a voice for the voiceless. power for the powerless. hope for the hopeless. and justice. that's what i'm all about. >> tell me about this sort of passion she has. >> if you're in it for the money, you're not going to be a plaintiffs civil rights lawyer. i know from working for my mom

for nine years that many of the cases she does she does for free. okay? the way you make money as an attorney is work in a gigantic law firm and represent fortune 500 companies. you can be guaranteed at least a couple million dollars a year. a partnership in a firm like that for years and years and years and years. so it's not about the money. it's about justice. you think when she represents a 3-year-old in a haircutting salon case in an economic injustice case that's a profitable case? it's just not going to be. >> of course. then i come back to the tiger woods case you heard us debating earlier. where i kind of think, why would this woman who does all this incredible stuff take on a porn star to basically flimflam tiger woods? really? >> let me respond to that. >> what do you think? >> i'll tell what you i think. my mother represents farm workers. the press doesn't cover those cases. let me explain. she represents holocaust survivors, cocktail waitresses in age discrimination cases. but wait. okay? on this show we spent 50% of the time talking about the tiger woods matter. that's one case in a career. why does she get blamed for the

media's shortcomings? the media obsesses about one or two cases, which are important. in and of themselves. >> no, no, no. i'm not going to let you get away with that. >> in exclusion to the gay rights case she took to the supreme court. >> i'm not letting you pin it on the media. the media did not parade this adult entertainment star to the world. >> but the media covers it. two years later we're still talking about it here. for -- >> yeah, because i think it's interesting. >> for half the interview. >> it's a moral dilemma. the fact you're so excised about it confirms i rattled the cage. >> the point is why aren't we spending half the show talking about age discrimination or farm workers or gay rights or animal rights? most of what she does. if the media covers the stories, why does she get blamed? her career is very balanced. >> here's my answer. precisely, the reason why gloria's career is not centered all the time in terms of the publicity it attracts on the cases you just quoted to me, is that you're not coming in here

saying ask my mom about the tiger woods porn star because you instinctively know that's not what she's proudest of. >> she's very proud of it. she's been defending it for the first half of the show. >> you are proud? >> absolutely. >> really? >> you know what? every woman deserves a voice and deserves to have her rights enforced. >> even if she then goes out and makes another movie about his text messages? >> may i finish, please? >> doesn't it cheapen everything else? >> may i finish, please? >> yes. >> we have a real double standard about the porn industry. the men at the top who make billions of dollars from it are received in the highest circles. the women at the bottom would are the performers in a legal industry are, you know, sneered at as if they're nothing, as if they're dirt. they have a press conference, everyone -- >> you do the same thing your mom did. >> because that's the reality. >> you're trying to make out that i'm casting a moral judgment over her career. >> why do you keep saying porn star as if that's relevant? >> i wonder whether your mother takes on a case like that, she is obviously so high profile, obviously going to get so much attention. when you see this victim as

she's being portrayed go on to make another movie and she uses tiger woods. >> would you want her to go on welfare instead of working at a profession or the occupation she's involved in? >> how hurt and how much of a victim is she if she feels she can go make a porn movie out of it? >> a lot of working people are hurt by things and keep working because they have to work. that's the reality. she's not going to roll over and die. she can be both hurt and continue to work. >> an exploit it and commercialize it. >> she's the victim. why don't you spend as much time talking about the fact that tiger woods should apologize to the women that he hurt. >> he did. >> he didn't apologize to jocelyn james. he should have had a private meeting with her or at the minimum called her on the telephone and said -- >> let's have a break and come back and talk about you two, your relationship and whether you think your mom should find love, get married again. >> ooh.

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>> i'm sorry, jason. it's not what it sounds like. just that i'm really lonely and i would love to give you a bath. >> i'm going to be contacting gloria allred. this is not all right. >> tina fey and justin bieber on "saturday night live" proving there's no bigger legal star than gloria allred. what a moment. justin bieber. oh, my god. i mean, i would say it's almost bordering on double trouble, isn't it? >> i certainly hope so. >> it really is. i'll tell you one of you, the pair of you, even in the commercial breaks you've been hammering me. >> you can try. go ahead. >> do you like having this famous infamous mother?

>> i love my mother. i'm very proud of her. everything you see here, this is who she is. you don't get to see her wicked sense of humor as much in these kinds of interviews. >> does she get mischaracterized, do you think? >> yes. >> how much of that is her own fault for taking on cases which are inflammatory? >> none, none. i wrote a book. >> no? >> i'll tell you why. the american media has deteriorated in the last decade to the level of celebrity session. college students can name more kardashians that wars we're in. why? because our media will break into network programming about a silly story about a sex scandal. >> wait a minute, often involving your mother's press conferences. >> why aren't we obsess begun our military battles or the poor of the world? >> why does your mother only take on celebrity cases? >> i with ear talking about the media. >> i'm talking about your mother. >> she has a broad range of cases most of which are on behalf of ordinary people, 98% of which -- >> why do you feel as strongly as this? do you not persuade your mother to drop all the scandalous celebrity cases? >> i don't consider them to be

celebrity scandalous cases. if you let me finish the city. they are not scandalous celebrity cases. they are on behalf of human beings. i represent some celebrities, too. i represent some reality show stars in very serious cases. >> why? >> because i care about them, an they have viable -- they are human beings, piers. >> if you're going to represent them and have press conferences and draw attention to them, i don't get it. >> these are people, for example, who have been abused by a network or by somebody else on the show, and they have a right to justice just like the big stars do. that's why they get represented and battles won by my mother or by me because they have somebody that believes in them. >> let's down weapons for a moment. your mother has been through two difficult marriages and divorces, and i guess, you know, it's pretty amazing. i'm not harassing you by saying that, but you do, you both do. >> you'll get a complaint filed after the show. >> like eggshells. >> i'm waiting for how many times have i been properly in love? >> i was about to ask you.

>> how many times have you been properly in love, norah? >> before i answer, that i have a little gift for you. >> is it a lawsuit? >> it's actually a subpoena. i am presenting y ining you wit subpoena that i've brought from your audience who i'm representing, piers morgan. i want your deposition very soon to tell us under oath how many times you have been properly in love, under oath. there you go. >> i'm not accepting that. i didn't touch it. i didn't touch it. >> take it like a woman. in other words, with courage and strength. >> come on. answer the question. >> all right. how many times properly? >> yeah. >> should i count being in love with my computer or -- >> no, no, okay. >> men. >> or women. >> i'm not one to discriminate. >> well, of course, both of my husbands, and, of course, my family, and -- and -- >> any other men outside of your husbands? >> no. >> would you like to fall in love again? >> no. >> really?

>> no, i don't have time, and i don't want to make that investment. my life, the rest of it, whatever gift god gives me, i'm dedicated to helping to empower women and minorities, to fight for justice, to show them that they have more strength and courage within them, to win justice as they are entitled to than they ever realized they have. that's what i want to do with the rest of my life. that's why i do it every day, 24/7. if i didn't have to sleep, i'd be doing it then as well. no, i'm not interested in having a relationship except with my family and my clients. >> people have a hard time understanding is that single women can be very happy, and my mother is very happy, so if it ain't broke, don't fix it, and especially older women, women who have been married and then are divorced and they reach a certain age, a lot of them say i don't want that anymore. i'm really happy with being able to make whatever choices i want in my life, to do what i want to do, and that's my mom. because of that i stop nudged her about dating. >> the big question -- i can't even imagine what dating you

would be like. >> we've offered some younger men. >> really. >> much younger men. >> who are very attractive. >> become the person you wanted to marry. if you want to marry a person with a sense of humor, develop that sense of humor in yourself. if you want to marry somebody who is going to protect you and take care of you, become that person yourself. >> the big question with you are you a predominantly a force for good or a force for evil, and i have concluded you are a force for good. >> yay. >> thank you so much. >>ine sustain said the world was a dangerous place, not because there are evil people in it, but because there are people who don't stand up to fight evil. that's a paraphrase, but i believe in, that and i believe helping people to win a change in their lives because they deserve it. >> good for you, gloria. it's been a pleasure to do battle with you and your equally combative daughter lisa. >> thank you. >> don't mess with my momma. >> never going to mass