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that's it from us. "ac 360" starts right now. >> good evening, we begin with the latest on the trayvon martin case, including the lead investigator wanted to have a manslaughter case against zimmerman. and it starts with these pictures of a younger trayvon martin, the first picture the public saw of him released by the family attorney and this man, george zimmerman a 2005 mug shot from his assault arrest. it unfairly makes trayvon martin look angelic and george zimmerman look menacing. an older and larger trayvon martin had emerged. now, also in dispute the relevancy of george zimmerman's arrest record. his supporters say that it has no bearing on the case.
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though in previous weeks it was cited by the martin family. now details about trayvon martin's life are emerging, problems at school primarily and the family says they have no bearing on what happened the night the son was killed. the teen had been suspended three times from school, including once fore writing gra titi on a school drawer. the officer called it a burglary tool and the miami-dade police uncovered no evidence that the jewelry was stolen. well, today at a house democratic forum on the case attended by trayvon martin's parents, family attorney darrell parks said that his past has no bearing on his encounter the night of february 26. >> whether or not trayvon martin was a perfect student is irrelevant to whether zimmerman's conduct that night was justified. trayvon was a kid. he was another unarmed black boy whose life was lost because of
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unfounded stereotypes, suspicions and fears. >> we're also now learning there are competing narratives from others including the sanford police. that's a leaked account of george zimmerman's statement saying that trayvon confronted hip and slammed his head into the ground. two others confirm that trayvon martin was the aggressor and one said that it was zimmerman who cried out for help. another person seems to contradict it. >> zimmerman was standing over the body with basically straddling the body with his hands on trayvon's back. and it didn't seem to me that he was trying to help him in any way. it didn't seem to me -- i didn't hear any struggle. prior to the gunshot. and i feel like it was trayvon martin that was crying out because the minute that the gunshot went off, the whining stopped.
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>> she didn't actually see any confrontation or see who it was who yelled out. there's also martin's girlfriend whose account of her phone call provided by the family attorney suggests he was being followed by george zimmerman. again, aggressor or victim? two views of the same incident and it doesn't stop there. bill lee says he stands behind the investigation which resulted in no charges against george zimmerman. yet, at the same time, both abc news and a local affiliate wftv report that the police didn't buy zimmerman's account and wanted to press manslaughter charges against him. in addition, abc cited multiple sources reports the lead homicide investigator pushed for charges the night of the killing. he was overruled according to abc sources by the state's attorney's office. also today, the martin family released this new photo of their late son taken this year of his father.
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i spoke to one of the attorneys and tracy martin a short time ago. sabrina, abc news is reporting that the night your son was killed the lead investigator recommended that george zimmerman be charged with manslaughter. why do you think he was never charged? >> i don't think he was charged because they were trying to protect him. they -- they didn't understand how serious this was. they didn't understand the value of my son's life. >> tracy, when you heard that the lead investigator wanted charges to be brought that night, what did you think? what does that make you feel? >> it certainly confirmed all of my thoughts that this investigation had been botched from the beginning and that people other than me knew that it was supposed to be an arrest made.
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>> ben, why do you think charges weren't brought that night if the lead investigator thought they should be? >> you know, anderson, i think for whatever reason zimmerman profiled him and then even worse i think the police profiled trayvon martin. so it really comes down to this, anderson, and you have to ask yourself why are they doing this and what do they say? not only did the lead investigator say he recommended manslaughter, he didn't buy zimmerman's story. and it doesn't add up when you listen to the tape. >> zimmerman's account claims that zimmerman was heading back to his vehicle to await police, was attacked by your son. zimmerman claims your son punched him, banged his head against the sidewalk and tried to take his gun. do you believe that? >> i believe if there was an altercation, i believe my son was defending himself. >> tracy, when you hear that
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george zimmerman says he was walking back to his vehicle, does that -- and that it was your son who attacked him, does that ring at all possible to you, ring true? >> it really don't, anderson. and that's the police accounts, but what the police told me was certainly totally different than that. so i'm sure that trayvon didn't attack zimmerman. >> ben, information about that night is not only -- the information about that night is not the only information that's now leaked out to the public. trayvon's school records have also been leaked. why do you think these leaks are now appearing? is this an attempt to basically impugn his reputation? >> anderson, i think you have
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been -- i think you absolutely hit it on the nail. what relevance does it have to what happened on february 26. you have the whole hooded thing and you told us you wear a hoodie, you were never stopped for being suspicious. anybody who's ever been suspended i guess you hear the sanford police say that's a death sentence. that has no bearing. the only relevance is zimmerman disobeyed the police, and got out of the car and had this violent altercation with trayvon. and trayvon is dead and can't tell us his version of it. zimmerman's version just doesn't add up when you look at what trayvon was killed at. his car was nowhere near where his body was found. >> you said the account differs from what the police told you that night. what did the police tell you when they talked to you? >> i was told that -- that trayvon approached zimmerman, asked zimmerman did he have a
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problem. and zimmerman said no. and trayvon supposedly said, now you do, homey. and zimmerman was supposedly was reaching into the pocket for a cell phone. at that point trayvon punched him and the scuffle ensued which again knowing trayvon, trayvon, those are not the words of trayvon. trayvon is not confrontational. he would only be trying to get home. >> anderson, i have to say this. the 911 tapes said it all. those 911 tapes say it all. we heard what the people say. he was on the phone with his girlfriend from 7:12 to 7:16. where's this stuff that zimmerman says, where does that come into play where they have this exchange of words and stuff? if you listen to that tape for about 40 seconds, trayvon is crying for help. there is no self-defense here. and the self-defense everybody would tell you stops, it does not last 40 seconds with him crying for help.
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>> you know, some of these questions i hate to ask you, i hate to put you in in this position. i know you've talked about this a lot. you and i talked before, you said without a doubt that is trayvon's voice on the 911 call crying out for help. there's now an eyewitness who says that -- who's been interviewed who says that he saw george zimmerman crying out for help. >> people can say anything they want to. i just personally don't believe it. i know that it was my son that was crying out for help. so right now, we're hearing a lot of speculations and people just want to say whatever they want. >> in the weeks after the shooting, a lot of people were looking at george zimmerman's prior run-in with police from several years ago. now that information is being leaked out about your son, about his school records, about things he may have said or done in the past, do you think that's fair or do you think that's inappropriate? >> i think it's inappropriate, number one, because he was a
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minor. number two, because he was a victim. and i don't think that has any relevance to the case. my son was not doing anything that particular day. whatever he had dealings with school it was not criminal. it was not violent. he's never been arrested. >> thank you. i appreciate your time. and again, i'm sorry for your loss. >> thank you. let's talk about legally, what bearing does trayvon martin or zimmerman's past should have. joining us is areva martin, no relation and mark ger agoes. you're outraged by the leak of the school records. why? >> it made my blood boil. because we're talking about a minor, we're talking about records that are protected by both federal and state law. to get someone's school records typically there has to be written consent from the parents if we're dealing with the minor.
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now, some would argue that your rights to privacy might die when the person dies. but in this case in particular, the sensitive information, you know, there's precedence in other cases where information that is sensitive as this, as personal as this, there's an effort to protect that information and not disclose it. we don't know when these records were sought by the police. but we do know that they have been leaked in order -- we can't imagine that anything was intended by the records except to malign this young man's character and to now paint a picture he's not the good kid we have been hearing about for the last 30 days or so. that really troubles me. kids have a right to privacy. their records are protected by law. i think in this case in particular the police department should have acted with more integrity. >> mark, what do you make about the leaks coming out of the police department and now learning about the school records? >> well, i couldn't agree more. first of all, none of these records would ever come in to any case.
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they're just completely irrelevant. it's nothing more than a smear campaign. i hesitate to lay the blame at the police department. i don't know if somebody got bought off over at the school and released them. but boy, if you track this down to the police department, i can't imagine anything worse than in the middle of this firestorm that they're releasing records that they know for a fact beyond any fact, any lawyer is going to tell you this is never coming in. it's nothing more than to dirty up the victim in this case. >> well, mark, would george zimmerman's past run-in with police in which he was arrested, would that be something that could come into the trial? >> actually, interestingly enough, conceivably it could. the prosecution if they decided to go forward they may be able to use depending on what the records were and depending on how they frame it to the judge as to how they want to use it or for what purpose it might come in. as an aside i will tell you, you know, everybody's first reaction to this case is why didn't they
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arrest, why didn't they arrest? i think the state's attorney actually and i rarely agree with any prosecutor, but i think the state's attorney when you hear a lot of the evidence that is coming out now in the differing witnesses' accounts i think they probably had some pause here. they want to investigate it. they want to make sure that before they file charges they didn't want to jump the gun. because one of the problems you have got is if you file charges immediately and you don't have enough evidence then maybe they have to get dismissed so you do a further investigation. some of the stuff has given a different perspective for this. i think they should be applaud for doing a thorough investigation first. >> i have an issue with that though, mark. i want to say i agree with you that a thorough investigation is appropriate in every case and we want all of the facts to be gathered. but what we're not hearing about is that investigation. we're not hearing that an investigation was underway by this police department. you know, since the time of the young man's death.
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what we are hearing is that trayvon was tested for drugs and that trayvon's records were requested. we are not hearing about an investigation to get to the truth. that's what's puzzling here. this is troubling. >> right. don't misunderstand me. i don't disagree with you about the police investigation, but my understanding of how they operate down there is that the police will take a file over to state's attorney and then the state's attorney can do their own investigation. so i think that the police, you know, they're the ones hopefully not, but it appears that they're the ones who are leaking this information to dirty up trayvon. >> how common is it for police to leak out -- to leak out information because they have been criticized now for weeks? >> yeah and i think that's fairly common practice. i see it happen all the time in my practice when representing the victims of after shooting, the next thing you hear about is all kinds of irrelevant stuff to try to demonize the victim to basically say he had it coming.
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that's what's so offensive about this. >> areva, is there a double standard? is it's not okay to look at trayvon martin's record, why is it okay to look at george zimmerman's past arrest? >> totally different, anderson. trayvon is the victim here. trayvon didn't commit any crimes. when you look at the records, this young man was suspended from school. zimmerman didn't know anything about that, so there can't even be a claim that this information may have caused him to believe that trayvon was dangerous or give him cause to act in the way that he acted. these are totally unrelated matters. happening at school. as the mom has already told us in numerous interviews, trayvon has no criminal record. he's never been arrested. there's nothing in his school records to suggest that this information is even relevant. i wonder, anderson, if trayvon was an honor student, if he was a straight-a student, if he was on his way to harvard would we see these records being released by the police department? i don't think so. >> interesting.
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look, we'll look it leave. always good to have you on. as always, more on cnn.com. let us know what you think on facebook and google plus. i have been tweeting about it. a lot of folks responding. let me know what you think. should this matter, should any of their backgrounds matter? other news tonight, the terrifying moments caught an tape as an airline captain wandering ranting through the cabin. passengers are wrestling the captain to the ground. that's not even half the story. a clever co-pilot may have averted disaster, next. i'm a lobster girl.
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the idea that he has some more flexibility in mind for russia is very, very troubling indeed. >> well, that remark and others drew some return fire and campaign advice from russia's president. >> i would advise two things to all u.s. candidates including the person you mentioned. my first advice to listen to reason. reason never harmed a presidential candidate. my other advice is to check their clocks from time to time. it's 2012, not the mid 1970s. >> well, remains to be seen whether president obama welcomes the assist. but he seemed to be okay joking about it today. >> first of all, are the mics on? look, what what i said yesterday, ben, i think something that everybody in this room understands. >> joining us right now is ari fleischer and stephanie cutter. a lot of republican critics are saying, look, the president will be a different person if he's
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re-elected. that this flexibility he referred to means he'll make a bee line for the hard left or change his policies. what's your response? >> i think that that is just -- just doesn't hold true. look at his record. it's one of the toughest foreign policy records of any administration. you know, we've got gadhafi, we put an end to the war in iraq, we're drawning down in afghanistan. we have the toughest sanction against iran and russia is joining us in the sanction. so i don't think the record bears true. the president explained it. you know, we are in the last eight months of an election year. it's very unlikely that republican congress is even going to give us funding for a missile defense system, but doesn't mean we're not committed to implementing it. in fact, we're implementing it. for more than a year now. so the facts speak for themselves. there's no, you know, secret message in here. it's all out in the open. the president spoke to it today.
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>> house speaker john boehner said he doesn't think the president should be criticized when he's overseas on a trip like this. what did you think of what president obama said? >> well, he's just off the airplane, so let me respond to it. this one of the worst displays i have seen on a president on foreign soil or domestic. he's saying, give me space because i have to act one way before the election and after the election i have the flexibility to what i really want to do. in the case of missile defense, he's saying there's no negotiation, the only one we have it. after the election he said i'll yield to you on missile defense. why can't he say it now? why does he have to lean in and whisper it so nobody can hear what he says? >> stephanie? >> that's not true. the president spoke just this week in south korea to the entire world about missile defense. we have taken the steps necessary to implement missile
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defense. so ari, you think this is a ruse? you know it doesn't work that way. >> well, actually, it's a pattern with president obama. all you have to do is look at his race against hillary clinton interestingly. before the ohio primary, senator clinton advocated pulling out of nafta if we don't renegotiate it. and later we found out that three weeks before he said that, he sent his top economic aidea said, give them space. it's a pattern with president obama. i'd love to hear from stephanie, can she assure us that the president has made no other statements like that to arab or palestinian leaders, give me space and after the election i'll have more flexibility to deal with israel? can you assure he's not done that? >> well, if we're going to bring up an attack which is slightly ridiculous that is four years old about nafta treaty and
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austin ghouls by going to canada, look at what we have gotten through, to protect our environment and have greater impact than just the korea trade agreement, have a greater impact on american jobs of the last nine treaties combined. so i think that the facts speak for themselves rather than the political innuendo and talking points being thrown at us. this is a sitting president with a strong foreign policy record, with a proven foreign policy record. al qaeda decimated. iraq ended a war. a war that even president obama back in 2002 said that we shouldn't have fought. we're drawing down afghanistan. we've got bin laden and we're running against the important piece of this conversation. we're likely running against someone who says russia is our greatest geopolitical foe, but in the may mouse -- famous white paper he didn't bring it up
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until page 42. >> you notice stephanie didn't address the fundamental process fact here. not president obama's conduct on the foreign policy, but he says one thing before a crucial election and then acts totally different after the election is passed. in other words, what's most important to president obama is maneuvering, political maneuver to get through. what i guess he views as flexibility day. once that is over for president obama, then he's free to take other positions that's what's so troublesome on this issue. i think it's a window into what he might do as far as taxes. after the election he's going to be free to raise taxes on people. free to have more debt piled on the country. i think he's going to change his position on gay marriage, he'll probably come out for it after the election. this is a trouble some thing about the candidate who says one thing before the election and then says give me space, after
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the election i'll have more flexibility to do what i want. >> stephanie, final thought. >> well, my final thought is that this is -- you know, a conversation that's based on political talking points, not based on facts. the president has the strongest foreign policy record of a sitting president in generations. and those are the facts that remain true. if there's one thing that voters don't doubt in this election is the ability of this president to keep this country safe and make the right foreign policy decisions based on sound judgment. he's not going back and forth unlike some potential opponents of ours. he's not checking with his lawyers before he holds iran accountable. and this no window into his thinking. his thinking is out there for everybody to see. he has a proven record for 3 1/2 years. >> if you hear whispers it sure is. >> we have to leave it there. >> well, as you know -- >> sorry, go ahead. >> okay. thank you, anderson. i was going to talk about some of president bush's whispers but
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that's okay. >> stephanie cutter, ari fleischer, thank you. the syrian regime has agreed to a united nations peace plan, but what we're seeing and hearing from eyewitnesses in syria tell another story. the syrian activist said this is the latest lie from assad. that's next. [ male announcer ] if you believe the mayan calendar, on december 21st, polar shifts will reverse the earth's gravitational pull and hurtle us all into space, which would render retirement planning unnecessary. but say the sun rises on december 22nd and you still need to retire, td ameritrade's investment consultants can help you build a plan that fits your life. we'll even throw in up to $600 when you open a new account or roll over an old 401(k). so who's in control now, mayans?
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another keeping them honest report tonight. syrian regime telling western leaders what they want to hear while it continues to kill its people. including children. syria today accepted a peace plan that had a government cease fire. kofi annan called it an important first step and u.s. secretary of state hillary clinton was less generous. >> given assad's history of overpromising and underdelivering, that must be matched by immediate actions. we will judge assad's sincerity by what he does, not what he says. >> well, words are cheap and we have heard so many lies from assad's regime in the last year. in november, they said they stopped -- they agreed to stop killing people and they said they would withdraw its troops from cities. that same week videos like this revealed that promise was lie. [ speaking in foreign language ]
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>> video shows government forces firing on protesters. again, we can't verify the video. or the others we're about to show you because syria restricts reporter's access. in february, three months after its promise to the arab league government, bashar al assad's forces did this. [ speaking in foreign language ] >> assad's forces shown here on a rooftop launching a big assault on homs. much of it was reduced to rubble. many described it as a massacre slaughter house. can't vouch for the voracity of this video. today president al assad toured for the first time since the siege. syrian state television posted this. while he posed for the cameras, at least 57 people were killed today, some of them in that city. this video shows injured kids at a hospital in a neighborhood of homs. hospital was not part of assad's
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tour today. in another neighborhood in homs, shelling left this house in flames. again can't vouch for this video or the next one shot in homs. the question is, does this look like a commitment to peace? does this next video sound like peace is coming any time soon? [ explosions ] all of this is happening in homs. the syrian regime is making a promise for peace. promising peace while bodies like this one sit in the streets waiting to be recovered. >> president assad visited homs today for first time since the city was bombarded by his forces. the syrian news agency says that he inspected destruction caused by armed terrorist groups and that he was greeted by people saying we are with you until death.
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when you hear those reports, what do you say? >> yeah. this was heroic. wonderful. declaring victory over his own people. this was -- i should envy myself. i envy my own people for this. our government has reached a point where declaring a victory, shelling and bombarding. civilians have become a victory. this was wonderful. i don't know what did he find? that sure there is no single person right now. but this is fantastic. why shouldn't he be so happy? our president has declared victory over his own people. wonderful. >> the syrian government also says they've accepted the u.n.'s six-point peace plan today. assad has agreed to other
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reforms in the past, other peace plans in the past. he's failed to implement them. do you think this is going to be any different? >> along with other activists, i cold meet mr. kofi annan who last night visited syria. and i think there is another next week with visiting other cities. we explain the situation. we said that international communities are silent or just smiling or mocking at us being killed. but we are just trying our best to see what is next. now, what i can say. the government said yes it is accepting the six-point plan. but believe me, if the government says good morning i believe it is evening. this is exactly what i told mr. annan. if the government says it is evening, i believe it is morning.
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they lie even if you ask them their names. they say they accept. i have my doubts. i should keep my hopes. this is true. but this is really hard to believe. >> we've seen the bombing. in homs and we've seen attacks in idlib and elsewhere. and we've heard the death toll now for about a year, for more than a year. has the regime won? i mean, has the regime effectively crushed the opposition? >> no way. there is no way they win. there is here 23 million syrian people who will win. there is no way we surrender. there is no way we give up. kill as many as you want. we are here. we will stay forever. >> zaidoun, thank you for talking to us. >> you're welcome. thank you very much.
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>> talking to us at great risk i should point out. is it discipline or violence? former employees and students of a boarding school say the kids there were being abused. gary tuchman went to see and find out for himself in part one of ungodly discipline investigation. >> some of the students tell us who are now adults you used to choke them. >> that's totally false. >> what is it you did to them? >> used pressure points to restrain them. >> what does that mean? >> you have places on your body where nerve endings are real close on your skin. >> show me. where on my body. >> right there. >> show me on my body. >> right there. reach. until she heard about the value plan. dollar for dollar, nobody protects you like allstate.
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welcome back. a new report in our ungodly discipline series tonight. for more than a year, we've been investigating child abuse under the guise of religious discipline. we've looked at a man who wrote a book about where schools where students say they were disciplined in the name of god and virtue is taught through violence. tonight a new report. another school this time in western montana. gary tuchman investigates. >> reporter: here in this part of big sky country, disturbing allegations are just over the horizon. in the town of st. ignatius, montana. where the religious boarding school pine haven ranch is.
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this school has been run for four decades by this 82-year-old preacher. is it troubled kids or kids with troubled parents? who's coming here? >> all sof the above and more. >> reporter: and bob larson is blunt. any kid who comes here is expected to behave and praise the lord. what do you try to teach these children, first of all, about christianity? >> well, that god loves them. and god is the answer of everything. he's the ruler of the universe. he made man and the world and he made the rules. >> reporter: but some say there's more to pinehaven than teachings. they say there's violence. denies and dave bingam were house parents there until 2010. in charge of taking care of children who lived in one of the cabin style homes on the ranch. >> children are hurt at pinehaven. when kids won't obey, physical pain is used to get them to comply. whether it's pressure points, sometimes they were drug down the hill. sometimes they were choked. but it was used to get them to comply.
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i think god weeps about the wrong been done. of course he does. >> reporter: the owner of pinehaven says this is untrue. >> i'm not saying they lied. i think this is their perception of what happened as they look back on it. and i can't answer their perception. >> reporter: james mason was a child at pinehaven, staying for six years. >> first time i was choked in april of 1995. it was in my bedroom. >> reporter: mason was then 14 years old when he was physically disciplined after being accused of misbehaving. >> and at that point he lifted me up by the neck against the door and held me up until i pretty much went limp. and i was subdued and i was contained. and i was no longer a threat as much as a 14-year-old can be to a former army full grown man.
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>> reporter: melissa was also a child at pinehaven and dealt with the same house parent. >> he picked me up by the -- under my neck. just like at my trachea. and he's about 6'2" and i'm about 5'0. i'm maybe 4'10". he picked me up by my throat and slammed me down on the kitchen table. >> reporter: the house parent is named ned kent who still works at pinehaven. some of the kids who are now adults tell us you used to choke them. >> that's totally false. >> what is it you did to them? >> used pressure points to restrain them. but -- >> what does that mean? >> you have places on your body where nerve endings are close -- >> show me. show me on my -- >> like right there. >> show me. >> right there. >> two hands or one. >> usually just one. >> you'd put your hands on pressure points, what was the
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purpose? >> to stop them from flailing or to stop them from hitting somebody. or to stop them from whatever behavior they happened to be doing at the time >> could that not be interpreted as choking if an adult puts pressure points on a child if he's as much smaller. do you still do that? >> no. i've been told we cannot do that. so we don't do that anymore. >> reporter: bob larson said he was the one that total kent no more pressure points. they could be misconstrued. but former student said she experienced other types of violence with different house parents. >> he grabbed me by the ponytail and he dragged me up the stairs. >> reporter: bob larson disputes that. he introduced us to some former students who say the accusations are not true. >> no, there was tough love. but there was nothing cruel or unusual. i mean, tough love means separating people from drugs and alcohol and bad influences that brought them to pinehaven in the first place.
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>> like if i hadn't gone there, i would have had a criminal record and had stuff i shouldn't have. it kept me on track and gave me a better place to be in ethics and stuff like that. so i'm thankful for pinehaven. pinehaven literally saved my life. >> reporter: but the accusations of abuse are details and numerous. to bob larson, there's a reason. why do you think so many people are saying such bad things? >> ultimately we only have one enemy who wants to defeat the good that's in the world and that's satan. and i really believe that he is a real personality and he works to try to stop the works of god and caused the evil that keeps going on that will happen. i think that he influences people. the bible says he's the father of lies and people sometimes believe his lies. >> so you think that people are saying bad things because they're influenced by satan? >> underneath it all, that is what's happening. yes. >> i'm -- it's an interesting defense.
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how many alleged victims did you talk to? >> we talked to 12 people. former teachers and former students who alleged abuse. we also talked with many more people on the telephone and via e-mail. >> and did the students pay to go to this school? >> bob larson says it's just donations. but the students we talked to said their parents shelled out thousands of dollars a year for them to stay there. they tell us something interesting. they say they had to do most of the construction work. the students built the houses on the ranch. and they believe that this ranch could not survive without the student labor. bob larson denies that but he does admit the students build the houses and do the work. he says it's a good life lesson. >> part two of your story tomorrow night, what is it about? >> it may surprise you much to know that pinehaven is unaccredited, unlicensed, uncertified by the state of montana. the only people that look over pinehaven is pinehaven. so take a look. if teachers and counselors were
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certified and licensed by the state of montana, could they have helped to prevent or deal with horrifying situations? for example, former student james mason says he was sodomized by another student. >> i was raped. i never told anybody that. he threatened me with pliers to my throat and testicles if i would ever tell anybody. >> the stories have a -- they're sad and they have a point and counterpoint. but it doesn't bode well for pinehaven. that kent said he did apply the so-called pressure points. >> did he say when they couldn't do that longer? >> not sure of the timetable. we were told by some students the day that we arrived.
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time now for the ridiculist. tonight, gotham city is on the verge of chaos because batman got pulled over by police. in maryland batman was driving
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southbound in his lamborghini/bat mobile. it wasn't even a dark night. looks like it's the middle of the day. was he speeding to foil a plan by the penguin? or rushing to rescue robben from the warehouse that was moments away from exploding? nope. the caped crusader was pulled over because of improper tags. holy minor traffic infraction, batman. apparently in the state of maryland the batman symbol alone is not a sufficient license plate. duly noted. the police told batman to get the right tags and released him without charges leaving him to return to the bat cave. and the police went off to pull over spider man without a seat belt. turns out the batman in a lamborghini guy is real-life superhero. he visits sick kids in the hospital. hopefully batman will get proper tags. if this happens again, a tip for the montgomery county police. everybody knows the best way to get him to do anything is bring on the laughing gas. >> it's the funniest trick anyone's pulled on us.
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>> it's even funnier than the joker. i can't stop laughing. here, take this. it's a sad pill. to neutralize the laughing gas. it'll clear our minds. >> acting. luckily it seemed like a cordial traffic stop. because the last thing the police want is to get in fisticuff with batman. first the music starts up, next thing you know you're on a boat. all the graphics start flying around. ♪ ♪ >> pow. it's like madmen music. let this be a warning to superheroes everywhere.