you. >> i do. >> thanks so much. we'll see you begin bright and early. >> 6:00 a.m. tomorrow. join me then. >> a lot more on what randi has been telling you all morning, this manhunt in oklahoma. police are looking for a lone gunman in tulsa. three people shot and killed and two injured. investigators say it could be a hate crime. all the victims are african-american and the suspected shooter is white. tulsa police captain jonathan brooks is on the phone now from tulsa. captain brooks, give me an idea how you're concentrating this search. >> good morning, fred. well, it's been a long 30 hours for us. a shooting of this nature is a little unusual for tulsa, oklahoma. we have organized, several agencies have become involved. we have a lot of officers dedicated to this. we've formed a traffic force for this specific series of crimes, because these crimes occurred in a relatively short period of time and in a really close

geographical location as well. with those things in combination, that's what's so alarming to us. on the heels of everything else, we need to make sure this is quickly addressed and resolved. >> this took place in a close geographical location. now, tell me about the circumstances of the shooting. are you saying all the victims were shot in different locations, different circumstances? what led up to them? >> yes, they were all shot in different locations. we're not absolutely sure about the circumstances as of right now. the one thing that we do know for certain is in one of the scenes in which the victim survived, he was able to give us a little bit of information about what transpired. the shooter drove up to where he was at, at his residence, they were outside, and asked for directions. at that point for no apparent reason the suspect took out a handgun and shot him and his friend there. fortunately this time both of those, although they are in

critical condition, they did survive. >> over what period of time did these shootings take place? >> just a few minutes after 1:00 a.m. is when we received our first call, the first shooting. a few minutes later we had a few more when the two survived. in approximately 40 minutes, another call of a shooting. it wasn't for several more hours, a few minutes after 8:00 we received another call of another shooting victim. but the investigation revealed to us that that shooting did take place closer to the 1:00, 2:00 time. due to his location, we just didn't receive a 911 call and there were no witnesses to that particular shooting. >> so we saw a few different things. we saw google earth kind of locations showing the variation, the distance between some of these locations, and we've also seen some video. so most of these shootings, did they take place in residences involving pedestrians, people as drivers, what?

>> yes. it appears that all the victims were just out walking or out in the yard at this hour. this is a residential neighborhood, predominantly single-family dwellings in that area, except for the last victim, he was found at a business. >> and one of the victims, who you said was able to talk to investigators, did he ever see this person before? did he recognize the alleged shooter? >> he has not relayed that information to us. from what we're drawing from the investigation, he did not know this person because of the way and manner in which they approached one another in the conversation. >> captain jonathan brooks, thanks so much for taking the time with the tulsa police department. i know you've got your hands full. of course we'll talk more about this investigation as it's unfolding and as they continue to look for the suspected shooter. at 2:00 i'll be talking to the mayor as well. three people missing after the navy fighter jet crashed

into an apartment complex over virginia has been found. the plane had a mechanical malfunction shortly after takeoff from a nearby base. at least seven people injured. sandra is live. what can you tell us about the investigation, how it happened? >> reporter: incredible news, all people have been accounted for who was living in the apartment that was hit by the jet. we obtained exclusive new dramatic video showing moments after the crash rescue workers going in, in terms of showing the search and rescue effort. this is very up close. you can see what went on minutes after the crash. take a look and have a listen. >> police. >> police. anyone in here get out. >> any pets? any pets? >> what? >> pets?

>> all right. you're looking at dramatic images from yesterday, that f-18 crashing into the apartment complex. we no longer have contact with sandra endo. we'll try to reestablish that and get more on the investigation. again, all those unaccounted for have since been located. all right. meantime we also have new details today in the trayvon martin case. now a witness is talking about hearing lots of yelling and crying the night the florida teen was killed. according to the eyewitness, the cries came from martin, not admitted shooter george zimmerman who claims he fired in self-defense. we've altered the witnesses word to protect his anonymity.

>> there were two yells for help. the first was a clear, loud yell for help. it really is the second one that will always stay with me. it was almost kind of like a yell, like a devastating, desperate type of yell for help, even to the sense it could possibly have been a cry. the lead investigators said to me kindly, he just said, if it makes you feel any better, the person that was yelling for help is alive. i really thought it was the boy crying for help, but here is the lead investigator telling me, no, it was mr. zimmerman. >> so zimmerman's legal team is taking issue with this witness tomorrow at 2:30 eastern time zimmerman's legal team will be joining me to talk about this case further. meantime a grand jury is expected to convene next week to review the case. a week before his next parole hearing, we're seeing new pictures of notorious killer charles manson.

manson is 77 years old and was convicted in the 1969 killing of actress sharon tate and six others by a group of his followers. earlier this morning randi kaye spoke with criminal defense attorney who said we shouldn't expect to see him back on the streets. >> charles manson has absolutely zero chance of getting out. because the fact of the matter is, he hasn't done anything to convince the department of corrections that he's been rehabilitated or that he doesn't pose a risk to society if he were let out in the general public. in fact, he's done the opposite. he's refeud to accept responsibility for what he's done. he's refused to show remorse. even though he's acknowledged his actions in the crimes, he's maintained that he hasn't violated any of god's laws, as he says it. >> manson has already been denied parole 11 times. as the masters golf tournament plays itself out this

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>> all issues of membership are subject now and always to the members. that statement remains accurate and remains my statement. >> ten years ago martha burk held a protest outside the masters demanding the club change its policy. she's the former chair of the national women organization and the author to "your voice your vote." she joins us from new mexico. martha, good to see you. >> thank you. good to be here. >> what are your thoughts about the male only membership this go-round even though we heard from billy payne and says what remains will continue. >> we've heard from billy payne. but strangely enough we haven't heard from ibm. >> right. >> by letting the club do this, ibm is sanctioning that policy. i think is under mining their

new ceo who is a very capable woman and making it look like the company is okay with this discrimination. it's a bad statement to make. >> your feeling is we should be hearing from her? >> no. i think we should be hearing from ibm's board of directors. they should be stepping up to say our ceo is now female. she is certainly equal to any male ceo we've had in the past. if you, augusta national, want our sponsorship dollars, we need respect for our ceo. i don't think it needs to be put on her. >> she apparently golfs sparingly but what if she doesn't want membership? >> that's besides the point of rightness or in this case wrongness of the policy. even if she doesn't wan to be a member doesn't change the fact

she couldn't be a member if she did want to. that's really the crux of it. she's treated differently with ibm's collusion than the male ceos have been treated in the past. that is the crux of the matter. they need to step up. the chair of their board has been a member of the club for years. ibm is pouring a lot of dollars into this tournament. that ought to buy a little respect. >> so what about others that have been known sponsors of the masters, at&t as well as exxonmobil, do you think they should be held to the same standard or do you believe they should be making a statement just as you believe ibm should be making a statement? >> i think they all should be. back in 2003 when we did mount the protest, none of the sponsors underwrote the tournament that year or the next year. ibm was the only sponsor to return. they had to get new sponsors for

the other two slots because coca-cola and the third sponsor, which i've frankly forgotten, never returned to sponsorship. i have asked exxonmobil, i have asked at&t to reconsider this policy because, again, it's telling their employees, their female customers, employees, and the men that care about them, we think this policy is okay. a little discrimination never hurt. if it were race, i think they would not be making this statement. >> martha burk, thank you for joining us from albuquerque, new mexico. in a few minutes i'll talk to our legal experts today about what legal road can be taken, if any, to challenge augusta's admission policy. unemployment claims hit a four-year low last week. the unemployment rate fell to 8.2% in march. but even with that, only 120,000 jobs were added to the economy.

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>> and criminal defense attorney and former prosecutor from atlanta. good to see you, holly, in for regular richard herman enjoying the easter passover weekend away from us. we're going to hold down the fort. good to see you both. how is augusta able to continue on with its men only policy. >> georgia, congress is in active legislation that bars sex bias in club membership. there are states throughout our country that have prohibited this sort of behavior. the reality is that if women are really going to achieve successful, high corporate success, they need access to these clubs. the failure of the congress and failure of the legislature in georgia has prohibited women. i must say, fredricka, i have so much respect for martha burk and

her economic approach. she's achieved early success. if the legislature and congress does something about it, it's going to hurt women in the long run with corporate success. >> if we don't have act of congress, state legislature and you're talking about a private organization, they can have men only, women only, blacks only, whites only, hispanics only, korean only any of the above. is it that basic? >> it is. let's call it what it is, discriminate. those groups you listed, that's flat-out discrimination. whether federal or state constitutions, that protects us against governmental discrimination. because this is a privately held organization, it's a business, essentially. a business can do whatever they want.

this is not the government interfering and discriminating. now, the government does the power, the supreme court said. if the state wants to legislate and say, by the way, in our state, in georgia, for instance, you can't do that anymore. that's okay. but so far those steps haven't been taken. >> but if this private organization were to receive any kind of public funding, you know, avery, and holly, then that's where things would be different. as far as we know, augusta is not receiving any? avery? >> that's right. that's right. that's exactly right. if there were governmental support, we'll talk about that in the arpaio case coming up, then it would be different. i'm in total accord. the absence of a law, the constitution permits augusta to get away with it. let's move on to arizona's joe arpaio, the sheriff there, quite notable. the justice department has been pursuing him.

the justice department says he is carrying out, in their words, systemic biased policing. so avery, there has been a juncture in this case. what's taking place. >> the sheriff in maricopa county had a chance to resolve it. i've been working prosecutions in civil rights division, department of justice for 40 years. they got this guy. the fact is arpaio is a malignancy in our system of justice. if it weren't so magillnant, it would be a cartoon. remember what we're talking about today. this is the beginning of the end of arpaio. he may have to order his last set of pink underwear for the prisoners but they finally got him 400 interviews, department of justice will prevail in the u.s. district court. >> holly, some talks were broken off. is that the indicator this is the end, asafry put it, of

sheriff arpaio. >> yes. he was given the opportunity -- think of it this way. when a criminal has an attorney and they are charged with something, that attorney can go to the state and say let's enter into plea negotiations. let's talk about a way to amicably resolve this. that's what's happening here. they went to him and said, all right, let's sit down at the table and address these grievances and figure out how it is we are going to make sure everybody is treated properly and is constitutionally protected. at that point in time arpaio's camp said we're not going to talk about it anymore. basically they are saying game on. go ahead and take us to court, see what you can accomplish. >> must be confident the justice department won't have anything. his argument, he's being targeted because he's a republican, this republican targeted by the democratic administration. >> yeah, except for one problem,

the investigation in the civil rights division started under the bush administration. fredricka, he's not being targeted because he's a republican. he's being targeted because he's a reptilian. they have this guy dead bang. he's going up in flames. has he one more chance by the 14th to wrap it up. that's it. if not defended in federal court. >> you see it that way, too, holly? >> they can track his numbers, prove discrimination based on evidence. this isn't character assassination. this is we're pulling the arrest records. how many times have you stopped, for instance, hispanic drivers versus white drivers. that's empirical evidence. that's what they are going to use to nail him, fred. let's move to a denver police officer. last year he was acquitted by a jury for pulling a gun on a mcdonald's employee because the food order took too long. then he was caught driving 143 miles an hour for driving over the legal alcohol limit.

he got five days in jail and fined $300 and discharged from the force. but holly, he says aside from all that, i want my job back and i should be able to get my job back. on what grounds? what would be his argument? >> his argument because the officer wrote him up, state trooper wrote him up going 143 in 55 that it wasn't just a simple drunk driving case which would have allowed him to retain his job. the fact that he's making this argument, fred, tells me his judgment is not so great. i don't want this man armed and given a badge out on our streets, especially given the incident where he pulled a gun on a mcdonald's worker because his food wasn't coming fast enough. >> but affairry, he's been doing community service and that should account for something? >> yeah, that's because the judge ordered him to do community service. what's amazing to me, how was he

back on the force after being charged with felony men as and weapons -- >> he was acquitted. >> yes, beyond a reasonable doubt. that's not standard for public employment. he should never have been back on the force. guys like that screw up, 143 miles an hour on a dark road, not lit up with no asphalt shoulders. i see absolutely -- hold the lettuce, hold the pickle but don't hold the hope. >> you kill me. avery, holly, we'll see you again in a moment, about 20 minutes or so from now. we're going to talk about some other interesting cases, including a high school student who says i want to go to the prom. and my date is going to be a porn star. but now the school district says no. we're going to talk about what kind of rights to that free judgment are being challenged. raising chickens is no longer a country thing. feathers are flying. city slickers are doing it, too. don't adjust your set. that is a chicken. at first glance kind of hard to

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texas are dealing with strong and potentially dangerous storms. again. reynolds wolf with us. >> you're right. north of texas back in the central plains we're seeing rough weather get under way. not severe storms as of yet but certainly heavy rainfall moving east of kansas city, southward to wichita and kansas and of course right north of oklahoma city not far from stillwater as we speak. what we're going to be seeing as we make it into the afternoon, more activity, more storms potential for damaging winds, even large hail, portions of texas and back in oklahoma. here is the big catalyst, this front boundary east and southeast, interacting with moisture coming in from the gulf of mexico. you've got more of a south breeze from this direction. when you have contrasting air masses we see things popping up. winds and hail but can't rule out the possibility of an isolated tornado also. could be active this afternoon. big atmospheric setup from the center. both coasts look good. east coast, west coast, even

gulf coast looks nice. plenty of wind in the northern plains and parts of the eastern seaboard, quite a bit of wind also. high temperatures to the east, washington, d.c. with 50, 58 your high expected in new york, 50 over boston, 73 in atlanta, 80 in tampa, 64 in denver, 63 salt lake city, dallas 82. 60s in seattle, portland and san francisco, 79 for los angeles. in terms of travel, i know many will be hopping around the country. hop, get it, for easter, there you go. take a look miami and orlando, wind and showers. may keep you grounded for a bit. oklahoma city, storms, might want to throw dallas on that. there you go with afternoon storms. minneapolis, showers mostly tapering off by midday. certainly heavy during the morning hours. atlanta, things picture perfect. take a look at this last shot we have over centennial park. beautiful day, sun and clouds, same conditions for the master's. fredricka, should be great through monday. monday 20% chance of showers out by augusta national. >> cooler than usual but pretty.

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the feud between current tv and fired host keith olbermann is getting ugly. the cable network is counter-suing olbermann. they call him arrogant and immature. sued $70 million for breach of contract. current tv says it doesn't have to pay a dime because he was, quote, paid handsomely for showing up sporadically and utterly failing to keep his end of the bargain. their words. ouch. the children of music legend

ray charles are reneging on their father's agreement and they say they want more money from their father's royalty. back with avery friedman and holly hughes in atlanta. good to see you both again. before ray charles death he made an agreement, each of my 12 children of get $500,000. now seven of the kids, four daughters and three sons, are challenging that saying they want to own 51% of his songs and get even more. so i wonder, avery, will this case kind of hit the road, jack? >> nice one, fredricka. that's great. that was one in 51 songs they are gunning for ownership of. the problem that the kids have is that there are two arguments they are making. number one, they are saying under a 1976 copy right law amendment, ray had a chance to amend his rights, copy right, and he did. so that argument is out. the second argument is that they

are saying, well, he really don't own it. atlantic records owned it. if that's true atlantic records has the right and they are suing the wrong party. they are suing the foundation. so on both claims, fredricka, i think the judge is going to say hit the road, jack. you're right. i don't think the case is going anywhere. >> holly, if a family is contesting an estate. we're talking many years after the fact, is this family kind of going about it in the right way if they feel they have merit in which to do so? >> no. what we're looking at, fred, is their money has run out. so now they are just going back and quite frankly being greedy. who is the thing. they signed waivers. when ray charles, who quite frankly didn't have to give them a dime, legally speaking he didn't have to give them anything. he gathers the whole crew together, all that he could, two

were in jail, ten of them, if you sign this waiver, i'm going to give you -- that's half a million dollars, fred, $500,000 each, when they didn't necessarily have to get anything. they signed away the rights. yes, we want that big paycheck today and will waive anything in the future. ultimately what a court looks at is what is the intent of the deceased. ray charles took deliberate steps, he got them together, had waivers drawn up. he came up with a financial amount to give to each child. then he also said the bulk of the estate is going to charity. he made plans for that additional money. this wasn't some adult old man who didn't know what he was doing and then they could argue -- >> he wasn't incapacitied, of sound mind and that's what would be examined. >> the court is going to look at the intent of the deceased, what did ray charles intend to do with these bequeathments. what he intended to do was support the charities that got

the bulk of the estate. >> by the way, the induction to the rock and roll hall of fame start here. ray charles, along with chuck berry and others were two of the first inductees. it's a shame the lawsuit is going on. but trust me, it will be gone. it's fin i objected. >> it will be hitting the road, jack. maybe people saw this argument coming, but here we go. we're talking about a minnesota high school senior who actually invited as his date to the prom a porn star. his mom actually said no problem. that's okay. apparently now the school stepped in tartan high school in minnesota said, no, you can't do that. can a school or school district, holly, refuse to approve i guess someone's date to a prom? >> only if there's already a policy in place. they would have to produce a written policy to this young man and his mother and say based on our rules and regulations that

you were aware of before you start attending, you cannot bring this person. it's my understanding in reviewing the facts and current school policy they have no such leg to stand on. there's no reason to deny him. go ahead, avery, jump in. >> very simply, not only must there be a policy, holly is right in that respect. but the policy must be geared to avoiding the disruption of the educational process. i'm in accord. the school district has to pass a policy -- i would imagine, fredricka, when your son gets old enough, i don't know that you'll give permission to let him take a porn star to the prom. >> i guess the mom ought to be flattered he at least asked her permission. he could have just done it. >> i don't know what kind of mom this is. i'm in accord. i think it would be unconstitutional to bar him. i wouldn't represent him but i think he's got a legal argument, constitutional argument and i

think he'll prevail. >> good to see both of you. have a happy easter and passover weekend. >> same to you. all the best. >> before you go away, there is a follow-up. avery, you might remember this. remember that big controversy after the son of the late senator robert f. kennedy tried to take his infant son from the maternity ward back in january? a new york's child protection agency said there is no evidence the baby was abused or mistreated. douglas kennedy still faces the child endangerment and harassment after the scuffle with the nurses. everyone remembers seeing that and hearing those details. they tried to stop him from taking the son outside. so there you go. then this case closed in new orleans, five former police officers get prison terms ranging from six to 65 years for shooting of unarmed civilians in the aftermath of hurricane katrina. the ex-officers convicted last august on a combined 25 counts of civil rights violations.

the shootings happened on the danzigger bridge six days after the hurricane tore through the city. four of the officers were convicted of opening fire on unarmed people trying to cross the bridge killing two men and wounding four other civilians. all right. just want to update you on those cases. again, holly and avery, thanks so much. have a great weekend. hot off the political ticker, president obama's campaign team was quick to jump on a report about mitt romney limiting certain disclosures of his financial investments, tweeting, quote, what's he hiding? mitt romney's people shot back calling it a distraction. the chair of newt gingrich's super pack pledged to continue to support him as long as he stays in the race. gingrich has said he will stay in the race and continue to try to collect delegates for the republican convention this summer in tampa. he's running a distant third to mitt romney and rick santorum. in this program note, join

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citizens and our staff of professionals working here now for well over 24 hours. for that, they have done a wonderful job. admiral harvey, i thank you for taking the time to come over and evaluate the situation. i want you to know we appreciate all the navy has done for our city, our commonwealth, our country on a daily basis. we're sorry you're going through this day. please know the city of virginia beach is here to support the navy now more than ever with what they are going through. >> thank you, mr. mayor. it was very important for me to get out here today and get not only with the mayor but all the wonderful professional first responders from virginia fire,

police, emergency medical technicians and be able to thank them directly for the extraordinarily superb response they provided immediately after the accident. as the mayor said nonstop for the last 24 hours in dealing with the aftermath of the accident. it's also very important for me to put eyes on the site, see what the citizens of virginia beach went through, what they lost and what they have sacrificed in this accident and express again my thanks to the mayor for the extraordinary demonstration of courage that so many of the citizens of this apartment complex showed immediately after the accident. it was citizens that dragged our air crew to safety out of the fire zone. it was citizens who accepted up and moved those hoses. it was citizens who evacuated the other inhabitants of the apartment complex and got that

came. an amazing display of what citizenship means. it came from people who didn't have an awful lot. i stand in awe of the people here, what the mayor delivered in terms of support of the navy at a very difficult time for us. i'm very proud of his partnership. it will continue into the future. we'll learn from this and we'll make the future better for all of us. thank you very much, mr. mayor. more importantly thanks to the people of virginia beach, the chief, fire chief, police chief and their troops who did so much to keep this amazing miracle going that no one died that we know of so far in this accident. thank you, any questions? >> can you bring us up to date for the investigation, know what triggered this crash? >> the investigation has just got under way. what we've done here is controlled the site.

we're got to start moving in now that the city has gotten the whole site under complete control, we're going to come in with a parallel activity and work our way from the outside in gathering all the parts, examining the parts. we will take all those parts and put them into what is it, hangar 23 and lay them out and start doing a detailed examination of what we found, looking at all the tapes, listening to the tapes. we'll get data recorders from the aircraft. it's going to take weeks to put this all together, as you might expect. a lot of those parts are scattered around and very, very small. we have to examine all of them. we'll have engine specialists come down, specialists for each part of the aircraft and go painstakingly through everything as well as what we saw on the tapes and come up with what happened. >> recovered. >> has not yet been recovered. >> can you give us a little more detail about the pilot's experience, whether it was pilot

error? >> the investigation will go through all that. what i can tell you is we had a very experienced instructor pilot who was in the back seat. we had a pilot who had gone through an extraordinarily long part of the syllabus flying in the front. i'm very, very confident in the skills and knowledge of our air crew. they hung with that aircraft until the last possible moment on ejecting, trying to recover the aircraft and get it to safety. but again, i don't want to draw any conclusions on any aspect of this until we completely examined all the information we're going to need. >> the crew survived this incident. how instrumental and how much will that facilitate the investigation? will it speed it up? what kind of things can you learn? >> the investigation is going to go at a very steady pace. the fact that we do have the air crew, that's a critical part, sit down, get all the facts they have, reconstruct it in their

minds as to what went owned and what they can recall from it. pretty dramatic experience they went through. these are very skilled, professional officers among the best we have. i'm very confident we'll get a detailed breakdown of what occurred. sadly we've had some experience with this type of investigation. i have great confidence in admiral branch and his team, naval air forces, here we have the exact right people we need to do exactly what we need to do. we'll do it in a very measured pace. we will not rush to judgment. we'll get everything down, examine it carefully, find out exactly what happened and share that information with the mayor and all the other appropriate people when we have it ready to go. >> pilots yet, very talked to them yet? was there anything in their actions that helped contribute to the fact there were no victims in this case? >> i have not, myself talked to the pilots. they didn't need any

conversation with the admiral last night. the focus was on their medical care, recovery. they have been released now from the medical observation? they are in pretty good shape. there is a process you go through. i'm not going to parachute into it and inject myself into the investigation. we have the right people doing it at the right time. it's important to let that process play out so we don't miss anything or rush to judgment. i'm extraordinarily proud of our air crew who do this every day all around the world. they are very, very good at this. we'll find out what happened and fix whatever went wrong. >>. [ inaudible ] >> we'll release those later on. >> any idea what time, admiral? >> no, i do not. >> considering the damage was done in the crash, are you surprised there were no fatalities? >> i was quite surprised. >> pretty extraordinary one day after that f-18 crashed into an

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