we begin tonight keeping them honest. whether syria's dictatorship, to take snipers off roofstop, in short to stop killing its own people and reducing their homes to rubble. >> are you sure? >> who did this, the man on the tape asks, bashar as she stands in the remains of a living room. the girl, we don't know her name is too young to understand what's happening but knows enough to say the name and been told who is inton. about shar al assad. after overseeing a year-long campaign of repression followed by outright chaarnage, he promid to stop.

he toured the streets of homes. two videos side by side, the dictator, the other the bombardment before he arrives in homs and almost every day since then. 57 people died. today in homs and across syria tanks rolled, shells exploded, snipers fired, and at least 145 people died. in other words, the slaughter goes on. more than 700 have been killed since assad announced a cease-fire on april 2nd. nearly 1,100 since he agreed to that u.n. proposal just two weeks ago. this is video claiming to show victims of a mass execution in homs. according to the opposition one neighborhood there has seen eight straight days of heavy bombardment. parts of the city still

after all this time being blown to pieces, burned to the ground. in some neighborhoods, troops have been looting, randomly killing civilians on the street even blowing up an ambulance. as always, we can't independently verify the video, because independent journalists are kept out of the country and sometimes killed if they manage to sneak in. today, though, there's yet more reason to believe that what you see is real and not what the regime says. a new report from human rights watch titled "in cold blood." the money, quote, syrian security forces have executed scores and possibly hundreds of civilians and opposition fighters during their intensified offensive on cities and towns since december 2011. the report is based on interviews with more than 30 eyewitnesses. there's video which we're not showing of government troops claiming a human trophy, mounting a man's body on the front of their tank. and by now you've seen the mangled bodies of tortured kids shoved into car trunks, the video months old.

they're denying it all. they promised it would stop, so far it hasn't. they're doubting that it will. the regime has been ramping up violence in advance of the deadline. over the weekend, the regime unilaterally demanded new concessions from opposition forces. tonight on "john king usa" john asked the tough question -- >> let me ask you, kofi annan and the u.n. officials have been played. that is the death toll has gone up more than a thousand since he was appointed. assad has simply used his diplomacy as a could beer to kill more people. >> i don't think it's a question of the united nations or annan being played. i think both in the security council and the secretary and annan have been very clear about the syrian government, its motives and its behavior to date. the question, whether there's still the opportunity however slim for there to be a diplomatic resolution to this over year-long conflict. joining us former cia

officer robert baer and anne marie slaughter. bob, do you think the u.n. has been played? >> i think bashar al assad has bought time. he knows what he's doing. his intention is the same as it's always been, and that's destroy the opposition. he intends to wipe them out, he is not going to negotiate. he doesn't care what the u.n. wants. yes, the u.n.'s been played. >> ann marie, is there any reason anyone in the world, the u.n. to believe what bashar al assad says about doing a cease fire? >> anderson, i agree with bob. i don't think he's going to stop. i don't think there's any reason any of us should expect him to stop tomorrow. he has broken one promise after another. he will say whatever it takes to give him more chance to keep going. >> bob, you say kofi annan can be in damascus every other day

and it won't make any difference. >> not at all. i mean, this regime, we have to go back and look at what they're fighting for. they're fighting for their survival. i talked to someone in the regime not long ago, and they figure about 30% of the people support bashar al assad. not because of him but because they're afraid of what the opposition's going to do. he told me they will hold on until the bitter end until one side has completely won. >> and, anne marie, is there a time to resolve this diplomatically? >> well, i think actually the u.s. government and other allies have been right to give it every possible chance for a diplomatic resolution. but i do think that time is at an end. i think kofi annan did what he could do. he got people on board. but that's not going to be clear that's not going to solve things. either we're going to have to say we more or less accept what we have now where assad is going to just keep killing or we not only keep tightening economic

sanctions, other sanctions, but we start moving toward a real possibility of military action. >> and, bob, what would that look like, military action? we're not talking about u.s. boots on the ground certainly. john mccain has talked about international air strikes. there's also, i guess, arming opposition. what do you see as options? >> well, i think, first of all, it's key what anne marie was saying. we're moving to a worse situation as we speak. unless there's some sort of a miracle that occurs tonight or tomorrow, we're going to see this violence spread. we're going to see it spread more into lebanon. there was a killing there today in lebanon. there's been killings in turkey. a shooting across the border. once this thing starts to spread beyond syria's borders, i think it's fairly inevitable we're going to have to use air assets to destroy his armor and take his air assets out of the air. >> anne marie, you agree with that? >> i do. we're in agreement tonight. but i think there was a shooting

across the border into turkey today. the syrian army was chasing free syrian army rebels and shot into turkey, killed a turkish policeman. this is going to spread into turkey, into lebanon, possibly into jordan. and i don't think we're going to have a choice. i think there's going to have to be a military move. i still think in conjunction with safe zones that will effectively stop this now or have it spread into a regional conflict. >> so what would that -- i mean, what would that look like, anne marie? in terms of you say air strikes to stop armor and movement of syrian forces. would there then also have to be arming of opposition forces? >> well, arming of opposition forces is going on now. there are the cqatarr is, the

saudis have acknowledged that's what they're doing. the united states is providing communications and intelligence equipment to allow the free syrian army to at least track the moves of the syrian army. but i think what would have to happen is not a libya-style intervention, but actually the declaration of a safe zone at least on the turkish border. the turks have been talking about doing this for six months. and then what you do is create a no-fly zone, a no-drive zone enforced by air support, both from the region and probably from nato. >> bob, you at one point talked about a kill zone as well. >> yeah. >> well, that's a little bit -- you know -- look, sending tanks to kill your own people is just going to make the situation worse. and early on, i realize politically we couldn't do it. but keeping those tanks out of the city is very important. because bashar al assad intends to, as i said, destroy these people and destroy these cities. it's just like his father in 1982. and it's made the situation worse.

and i think we're coming close to having to do something about it. >> anne marie slaughter, appreciate your time tonight. bob baer, as well. thank you. let us know what you think. we're on facebook, google+. follow me on twitter @andersoncooper. we'll be talking about this. big decision about how to conduct the investigation in the trayvon martin case. and george zimmerman is speaking out. for the first time we're hearing directly from him. you may be surprised what he's asking for. you may not be. we'll tell you what that is in just a moment. with new aveeno nourish+ strengthen. it nurtures hair back to strong, healthy life. our exclusive active naturals wheat protein formula works with your hair, targeting damage, restoring strength and resilience for up to 90% less breakage in just three washes. find peace with your hair. [ female announcer ] and discover strong, healthy hair with life. new nourish+ strengthen, from the nourish+ hair care collection. only from aveeno. i'm a wife, i'm a mom... and chantix worked for me.

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so two big developments tonight in the trayvon martin case. first, florida's special prosecutor angela corey announced she's going to be conducting the investigation into the shooting death of trayvon martin without the services of a grand jury, which was scheduled to convene tomorrow. now, under state law she can bring charges without a grand jury. we're going to talk to our legal analyst about what this means, why no grand jury in just a moment. second big development. the shooter george zimmerman is speaking out. he's set up a website called therealgeorgezimmerman.com. on it is a statement and i quote

"on sunday, february 26th, i was involved in a life altering event which led me to become the subject of intense media coverage. the incident and subsequent coverage, very been forced to leave my home, my school, my brother, my family. zimmerman also includes a paypal link for donations. he cannot vouch for others saying they're raising money on his behalf. let's talk about this now to react to that and today's decision to forego a grand jury. we're joined by benjamin crump. thank you for being with us. you said before a grand jury was bad. what do you mean by that? and what do you make of the decision not to have the grand jury now? >> well, anderson, we've always believed that convening a grand jury was passing the buck. we thought from day one as we've always believed there was enough

evidence there to simply arrest george zimmerman. we were not asking that he be convicted, but a simple arrest. and over the last 42 days, as evidence has unfolded, we think there is a plethora of evidence to simply effect probable cause to arrest george zimmerman. he can still have his day in court. he can argue whatever legal claims he wants. but an arrest. the parents are only asking for simple justice. nothing more, nothing less. anderson, if that was your child or anybody's child in this world, they would want the person who killed their unarmed teenager to be arrested. >> when we talked a couple of weeks ago, i think it was, i think maybe two weeks ago now, you said you didn't have confidence that he would be arrested. are you confident now he will be arrested? or what's your read on this now? >> well, i felt if it would have went to a grand jury, that caused us a lot of concern. anderson, we as the lead

attorney for the family and all our legal team, we're extensions of our clients in a lot of ways. they have a lot of faith. and they're trying to have patience. and they are wanting to believe in the system that it's going to do right by them. and so they are wanting to believe that an arrest is going to be made. in talking with the special prosecutor, they say they're doing a thorough job of the investigation. and we're believing them. sybrina and tracy, they are trying to believe -- or follow their heart and the system. >> we heard from zimmerman on the website that we verified is an official website of george zimmerman. he's basically asking for donations saying he's going to quote, insure that any funds that are for living expenses and legal defense, in lieu of my forced inability to maintain employment. there's an american flag in the background. what are your thoughts on the website and what he has to say on it? >> well, i say this, anderson. if the situation was reversed,

trayvon martin would have been arrested day one, hour one. george zimmerman has been free for 42 days, and i think very simply put, we believe he should have been arrested and put into jail. and then if he bonded out, he could do whatever he wanted to do. but this situation with this website now and everything is a luxury that trayvon martin doesn't have and we believe he never would have had. and it's one of those things that his parents want george zimmerman to have his day in court. they are good people. and they want everything to be fair. but in being fair, they think that george zimmerman, the killer of their son, should be arrested just as if it was reversed, mr. cooper. >> two sources told wftb today that they think george zimmerman will be arrested this week. have you been given any indication to back that up? >> well, miss corey has said that her and her staff are doing

a thorough investigation. and we look at her not impanelling the grand jury as a positive thing, because that means she either feels she's going to have enough evidence gathered from her investigation to effectuate probable cause to arrest the killer of this unarmed teen, trayvon martin. >> right. >> who, if you -- it's just the whole world is saying trayvon was unarmed. zimmerman was the person who pursued him from all objective evidence. don't take my word for it. it's what you see in that video and what you hear on those 911 tapes, and the phone log records of his girlfriend. it connects the dots, anderson. there's more than enough evidence to just arrest him. >> mr. crump, i appreciate your time. benjamin crump, thank you. want to bring in our legal team tonight. criminal defense attorney mark geragos and senior legal analyst jeffrey toobin.

jeffrey, why would a prosecutor decide not to go forward with the grand jury? >> this is the way they do it in florida. there are two ways you can go. basically the prosecutor bringing charges. that's the way it works most of the time in florida. or you can go to a grand jury which is used only for especially complex cases. i think the prosecutor deserves a lot of credit. in these high-profile cases the prosecutors always get in trouble when they try to do something special. this is the routine way to go. this puts all the pressure on her. she doesn't have to -- she can't pass the buck to a grand jury. it's all on her. but this is the responsible decision she made. >> mark, how much does public pressure play in a case like this? what kind of an effect does it have on a prosecutor? >> i think it always has an effect on a prosecutor. i couldn't agree more with mr. crump and with jeff in two ways. part of this decision to not go to a grand jury, normally when you go to the grand jury, anything the prosecutor asks for, they get. i think in this case this would be the one exception where you

have seen, i think, the split in public opinion and generally the people who sit on a grand jury are more conservative and less of color. i think there was always the possibility that if she went to a grand jury, they would have returned no bill, which is like lightning striking. and here i think jeff's right. she's taken responsibility for it. and ultimately i think this increases the odds dramatically that zimmerman is going to get arrested. >> jeff -- i'm sorry. you think it is increasing the odds that he's going to get arrested? >> yeah. i think that when she says we're not going to the grand jury, which is the usual thing, normally in florida just like in california, in the state court system, they rarely use the grand jury. i think that going to the grand jury in this case could have been a real problem. you could have had a grand jury that would have rejected and returned a no bill. i think here, this is a pretty good sign, also combined with the statement that's attributed to her, that an arrest is imminent. >> jeff, i've been reading some

comments on twitter about this case tonight. after i tweeted some stuff. and people are saying, look, it's outrageous that zimmerman would be asking for money. and this is the first we've heard of him. anybody who's involved in a legal battle like this is going to be counseled, do not make public statements, do not make public interviews. >> i can't say i blame him for putting up this website, especially because there are people trying to claim money in his name which is a completely phony operation. what he writes is very bland. he's not making any statements really one way or another that can be used against him. obviously there's something a little distasteful. we all know he caused the death of trayvon martin. whether it was a crime or not is obviously what we're talking about. but he is incurring enormous legal fees. i'm just -- >> not going to be able to work. who's going to hire him. >> right. >> mark, if a client you were defending came to you and said they wanted to start a website like this, what would you tell them to do?

>> i'd say, talk to my tech guy, get it up immediately. i've done it. i've done it on multiple the occasions. far be it for -- i think there's an irony here. people say let the free market work. if he can't afford to pay lawyers and the lawyers depth want to do it pro bono, they're going to have a public defender. i've got a client right now with a website up. and frankly, it saves the taxpayers money. and i don't see that there's anything wrong with it. scooter libby, who had tremendous resources at his disposal used a website himself. >> mark, i ad mire your restraint for not mentioning your client's website. >> i was going to say it, but i thought it would be a shameless plug. >> tremendous restraint on your part. it's fascinating. you think an arrest is likely. jeff? >> i actually would not draw that conclusion. i think this doesn't make it more or less likely. i think this is just the normal course. you know, this prosecutor has access to evidence that we don't have. >> we should point out for the record there is a lot we do not know. >> exactly.

i mean, the key evidence in this case is what happened after he called 911 and when the shots were fired. we don't know if there are eyewitnesses to that. she has access to knocking on every door. >> forensic reports. >> forensic reports, and we don't know that. i don't feel comfortable making a prediction in the absence of having all that important evidence. >> admirable. mark? >> see, i don't have any problem making that prediction. and the reason for it is is that if they wanted to reject this case, the easy thing to do and actually, frankly, the passing the buck thing to do is to go in front of a grand jury and you know what the grand jury is going to go and you just kind of lay it off on them and let them reject it. i think to some degree it's easier this way to not be exposed to that. >> there's no question that grand juries have been used that way by prosecutors in the past as a way of sort of disposing of cases. but i don't think that's happening here. >> thanks. always good to have you on. political battles heating up over which party is more in touch with americans' economic pain.

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in raw politics this week, it's all about which presidential candidate truly feels your pain. president obama's team is rolling out an ambitious plan to raise taxes on the richest americans and

they say the opponents of the idea, including mitt romney are out of touch with ordinary voters. romney's campaign says it's president obama who is out of touching pointing out his efforts to address the jobs report. in response to senior white house adviser says the overall trajectory of the economy is headed in the right direction, the romney camp released this statement today. "friday's disappointing jobs report the white house is trying to spin the nearly 23 million americans struggling to find work as a good thing." >> we've got a ways to go. we need to keep pushing. but what's really bothersome to me, candy is that it almost seems like my republican colleagues are rooting for economic failure. >> both sides trying to paint the others out of touch. or indifferent to americans' pain. earlier i talked about it all with democratic strategist james carville and republican strategist rich galen. james, the obama and romney campaigns are basically making the same argument about each other. they're out of touch and that the other is out of touch and they don't feel the pain of

ordinary americans. does this kind of argument still resonate with voters? >> yeah, i think it does. also, i'm not sure -- i think this is -- obama could seem a little aloof. but i think that's romney's biggest problem. not sure why romney wants to bring this front and center. because he's not had a good primary when it comes to like connecting with ordinary people, but the truth of the matter is neither one of these guys are like a clinton i feel your pain kind of politician. they're not. >> rich, it's going to boil down to independents and how they interpret this argument, right? >> and i think the obama people are pretty smart. my guess is they are planning a campaign for in an economy that this is as good as it gets. either it's going to be worse or not much better than this because if it's a lot better their problems go away. so they're planning for a campaign that really does turn on, to use a clintonian phrase, i feel your pain. which as james says, neither one of these guys is very good at.

i don't think either one believes. >> james, can the obama campaign keep this from being a referendum on obama? >> well, first of all, they're just not going to say, do you like this economy or not because we know the answer to that do you want to go back to the economy we had before? romney is doubling down and tripling down, that romney wants to give more taxes to wealthy people, he didn't want to get out of iraq. he favors cutting programs that favor the middle class. sure. i think that's what they're going to do. who doesn't -- i mean, who won who wouldn't want that sort of comparison? >> rich, i want to play something your former boss newt gingrich had to say yesterday. let's play that. >> you have to be realistic. given the size of the organization, given the number of primaries he's won, he is far and away the most likely republican nominee. and if he does get to 1,144 delegates, i'll support him. i'll do everything i can this

fall to help him defeat obama. >> it's a different gingrich than the one that vowed to fight to tampa. >> two things happened in the past week. one, newt lost to ron paul in all three elections last tuesday night. number one. number two, he is now in fourth place in the public polling behind ron paul. and, thirdly, i thought about this overnight, you know, the center for health transformation, his health think tank went out of business last week. i'm not saying he -- >> declared bankruptcy. >> yeah. i really think that that affected newt. because he had a lot in that he worked very hard for that. i'm not saying he thinks it's his fault, but to a great degree if he had still been there, that would still be going. so i think all these things sort of weigh on him and he's sort of said, okay, enough already, i'm going to be a romney guy and let's get on with it. >> james, could this be a sign that the process of the republican party may not be as difficult to pull off as democrats had hoped it would be,

or expected it? >> i think most democrats -- democrats that i know thought they would repair their relationship with gingrich. large constituencies within the republican party that are still unenthusiastic about mitt romney. i don't think that speaker gingrich or santorum or paul are going to be able to bring him on without some real action on the part of romney. he's got his work cut out for him by the time he leaves tampa. by the way, i really agree with rich. i mean, newt has put a lot on the line, lost a lot in doing this. but, you know, it's something he always wanted to do, and i guess in the end he went out and did it. great personal and financial cost to him to do it. >> but, james, doesn't he also gain a lot? just in terms of future speaking fees, i imagine he's much more valuable now on the speaker circuit where he makes a lot of money. >> you know, i'm on that circuit myself and i think he was doing pretty well before, and, again, i think he was

probably making money from some of his other organizations. he's probably lost a lot of it going into debt. i think he's $4.5 million into personal debt. he would have to speak for a long time to make up the cost, i suspect. >> he said he was making $65,000 a speech which is a hundred times what i make. >> rich, we'll see what we can do about that. >> please. >> rich, thank you, james carville, thanks. >> thank you. you bet. sad news, legendary journalist, as you know, mike wallace, who's known for tough questions, competitive drive, who inspired generations of younger journalists passed away this weekend. we'll look back at his life, his legacy. and we'll talk to lesley stahl my colleague from "60 minutes" about her memories of mike wallace.

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the world of journalism lost one of its greatest investigative reporters this weekend. mike wallace died saturday night just a month shy of his 94th birthday. not very many people live to the accolade but wallace did. in a moment i'll talk to lesley stahl. but first a look back at some of his remarkable career. >> we are doing a profile -- >> he was known for his tough questions. >> i'm not sitting in judgment. i'm simply asking a question. >> a feared interviewer

described even by friends and colleagues as relentless, driven, and competitive beyond belief. >> you haven't answered the question, mr. president. >> his aggressive interview style made mike wallace one of the most well known journalists of our time. born in 1918 in brookline, massachusetts, he traded the name myron for mike. after graduating from college in 1939, wallace began his career in radio in michigan before landing a series of television jobs in chicago. >> ladies and gentlemen, let us meet professor ludwig von integrity. >> wallace found success in new york city with an interview show called "night beat." >> the mike wallace interview. >> which then went national as "the mike wallace interview" on abc. >> mrs. roosevelt, i think that you will agree that a good many people hated your husband. they even hated you. >> wallace had also explored acting, hosted a game show, and appeared in commercials. decided to devote his career to journalism after the death of his son in 1962.

a way to honor his son's memory. he was hired by cbs news in 1963 as a correspondent. five years later cbs launched "60 minutes" with mike wallace as one of its primary correspondents. >> there's been so much talk in recent years of style and charisma. no one suggests you or humphrey have much of it. have you given no thought to this aspect of campaigning and of leading? >> during the watergate scandal, wallace won recognition for his interrogation of white house staffers, including this interview with nixon's right-hand man john ehrlichman. >> perjury. plans to audit tax returns. bogus opinion polls. plans to firebomb a building. conspiracy to obstruct justice. all of this by the law and order administration of richard nixon. >> is there a question in there somewhere?

>> audiences began to tune in to "60 minutes" to watch wallace's interviews. before long, he became a household name. during the iran hostage crisis in 1979, wallace confronted the ayatollah khomeini. >> president sadat of egypt, a devoutly religious man, a muslim, says that what you are doing now is quote, a disgrace to islam. and he calls you, imam, forgive me, his words not mine, a lunatic. >> khomeini answered by correctly predicting sadat's assassination. >> oh, you have them over here. >> wall also also pioneered the so-called ambush interview presenting unsuspecting interviewees with evidence of their wrongdoing. >> if selling phony university degrees was a hazardous occupation, hanging one on your office wall when "60 minutes" walked in could be downright embarrassing. >> you're not a medical doctor? >> no, i'm not. >> wallace's style was sometimes

unpopular with viewers. fans protested this emotional interview with braush bra streisand in 1961. >> you know what your mother told me about her relationship with you. >> what? >> she says you haven't got time to be close to anyone, quote -- >> she said to anyone or to her? >> to anyone. that's your own mom. >> and even now mom's judgment stings. >> you like this. that 40 million people have to see me like do this. >> but mike wallace never backed down. >> there was no talk about steroids. >> he continued on with "60 minutes" for some 40 years, until his last broadcast in 2008. he always wanted to be known as a tough reporter who was also fair. he also always wanted to get the story first. this is what he told "the new york times" in 2006. >> i had probably not necessarily undeserved reputation of being a prick, of

stealing stories from my colleagues. i mean, it's just competition. competition. get the story. get it first. >> first of all, when you heard the news that mike had passed, what went through your mind? >> i thought, you know, i've known he's been sick. i've known that this was going to happen and i was still shocked. now, that was yesterday. so i've thought about almost nothing since. and i've been smiling because i've been remembering mike. and i really liked him. he brought me to "60 minutes." >> he brought you there? >> he brought me there himself. and he went to bat for me. >> that's quite a vote of confidence. >> i know, if someone had to go to bat for me, that's another story. he brought me there.

then he kind of mentored me sort of. you'll love this. here's a story. he calls me into his office one day. he says the real secret, lesley, is asking the really tough question that the public thinks you'll never ask. but when you ask it, you can't be embarrassed. you can't be timid. you just have to ask it with total ease as if it's the most natural thing to do. because if you're embarrassed about it, the audience will feet it, and he said, you need to work on this. >> oh, really? >> yeah. >> he was one of the first people who really greeted me when i started at "60 minutes" too. and i remember -- but he called me kid and it was so thrilling that he would even acknowledge me and talk to me. later i did some stuff for an organization he was working with to raise money for folks with depression and suicide awareness and stuff. but he also had this other side of being intensely competitive. >> tell me. >> right. i mean, i never really saw that because i kind of knew him in the latter years.

>> you saw it on television. >> certainly. >> he was who he was. >> the folks, though, who work at "60 minutes" steve kroft and morley safer were on the cbs morning show today with charlie rose. and i want to play some of what they said and have you speak. >> we were neighbors for 37 years -- 38 years. >> meaning his office was next to your office. >> next door. and steve is now in that office. and there were a couple of years in there which we didn't talk to each other. >> you and mike did not speak? >> we communicated through other people. >> why was that? >> well, mike -- how do i put this? mike would steal stories. >> steve, would he steal stories? >> absolutely. and i always thought that the worst thing than losing the story to mike was actually getting a story from mike on the rare occasion that it happened because the retribution would last for six years. >> was it really -- would he really steal stories? >> he stole one from me. >> really? >> yeah, barbra streisand.

>> he stole the barbra streisand story? >> he did. he did. and unlike morley i thought if i stopped talking to him, he wouldn't even know i wasn't talking to him. >> how did he steal a story? he would hear you might be working on it? >> yeah. i was telling someone in the recording studio and he was there. he was waiting to get in to do his recording. and he ran off. and then the next thing i knew, she had agreed to do it with him. i guess he called her. >> wow. >> that'll teach her. >> well, it's interesting. when i got to "60," i was surprised. even when you print out a document, they will go over to make sure no one else sees it. is that just a -- >> no, it was just mike. but, you know, we're telling that story. i loved him. i totally loved him. and i was -- i laughed. i laughed after about two weeks. >> right. but he and don hewitt used to have fights. there used to be fights at "60 minutes," like screaming matches, didn't there? >> yeah.

they didn't talk at each other. they yelled at each other. but only occasional ly did it get so bad that they weren't really talking with each over and you gun to worry about the future of the show. that happened over the tobacco story. mostly they were yelling over the content of the piece and they cared. >> right. >> it really was a measure of the commitment they both had to getting it right. and i mean there's still a lot of fighting that goes on at "60 minutes" over the content. >> that's what makes it such a great program. >> i loved it. it was high energy. it was commitment. it was integrity. it was all of those things. >> he was very public about his battles with depression in the wake of the westmoreland trial and even a suicide attempt he talked about publicly. and worked along with mary wallace to raise money and raise awareness. and i did a number of interviews with him on the subject. was that something you saw? was that something you were

aware of in the workplace? >> well, i wasn't aware of him being depressed in the workplace. he was too much of an outgoing guy's guy. i never really sensed that myself. but when he went public with his depression, it was early. it was before anyone else of his level ever did that. and it was part of the man's fearlessness and courage. i mean, everything he did demonstrated fearlessness. and that was huge in how many people he helped by going public and saying if the toughest guy in america has this disease, which people thought was a sign of weakness, had stigmas, all different kinds of stigmas, if he could have it, then i'm okay admitting i have it. it was an enormous thing for him to have done publicly. >> do -- one of the other things morley safer said today on the cbs show was that spike,

despite all of his fearlessness, mike was unsure himself in some ways. maybe as a result of doing entertainment stuff years before. >> i have to say i never saw that. >> you never saw that? >> no. no, not for a second. i did see -- i did see a boyishness or almost like a teenage boy quality in him that would pop out. >> his smile that would break out -- i watched some old interviews of his was just amazing. >> amazing. >> so there was this little boy in there. and he would let it pop out. i saw -- i never saw any sense of lack of self-confidence in mike wallace in anything. i loved the stories he did that weren't with heads of states and weren't with crooks and so forth where he would just be smitten with shirley maclaine or have a crush on tina turner and let you see it. and he loved vladimir horowitz and let you see it.

i thought he just was a guy, and everything was out there. i am who i am. i'm honest in everything i do. >> i also think to have had the career and longevity he had in this business was just extraordinary. at 80 -- i mean he was working until he was 88. >> 88. >> yeah. i just think that's extraordinary. >> when he started "60 minutes" with don hewitt and the two of them created it together, he was 50. >> wow. that's amazing. >> of course he'd already had a career in showbiz. he was an actor and did radio and commercials. and, you know, his son died -- >> right n. greece. >> in greece, and he turned -- he changed. >> that was really for him a major turning point. he decided after that -- his son had been doing writing. and i remember him saying that he felt his son might become a reporter and he kind of wanted to be the reporter that his son would never be. >> he wanted to become a serious person who made a mark. and he did. and he changed enormously and

devoted himself to this. >> he at the same time was a remarkable performer. i don't mean that in a derogatory way. but i mean -- >> oh, yeah. >> in addition to being a journalist, he knew -- he would have a pause in a sentence. >> oh, yeah. >> and i don't know, it was so effective. >> it was brilliant. and i remember hewitt saying to me, watch mike. watch mike. ed bradley had a little bit of that, too, by the way. >> i think i was trying to remember the last time i saw him. and i think it may have been in the halls of "60 minutes." and i kind of -- that's the way i kind of want to remember him, in the halls of "60 minutes." he helped make that broadcast and that broadcast helped make him, i think. >> he created it with don hewitt. he decided as we've talked about that it was going to be serious journalism. it was going to make a difference. he created it in his voice. you know, all of his talents represent "60 minutes." and then he stayed long enough to make sure we all got it right. and that it would live in his

image in a way. >> yeah. >> and it has. >> and it has. and as a broadcast, it's never been more relevant. i mean, it's as relevant today as it was, you know, back in his heyday. >> well, you know, jeff, our new boss for both of us, he worked under mike wallace too and don hewitt. and he too knew that he was going to carry it on. he wasn't going to let it fade or soften. >> mike's voice is still alive in that broadcast and in those halls. >> totally. if only we could be as good as he was. >> lesley, thank you. >> pleasure. >> true, indeed. if we could only be as good. lesley stahl. thank you. mike wallace, thank you. now, to a shocking video that's causing outrage on line. a man beaten, robbed stripped naked. police get a break when video of the avac was posted online. this happened in baltimore. details ahead. and annoying acc. at e-trade, our free easy-to-use online tools

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