welcome to "early start." i'm zoraida sambolin. >> i'm kate bolduan in for ashleigh banfield it's friday and 5:00 a.m. in the evaluate. let's get started. will george zimmerman go free today? the man charged with murdering trayvon martin is back in court for a bond hearing and comes face-to-face with the parents of the slain teen. a cold case heating up. police in new york using jackhammers to dig up a basement in lower manhattan. they're hoping to find etan patz, america's first milk carton kid, a 6-year-old who disappeared over 30 years ago while walking to the bus stop for the first time alone. more fallout from the secret service prostitution xand wills, the identifies of two supervisors who lost their jobs have been made public. in washington, growing calls for more firings. >> it's a stunning thing. it's actually disgusting. ahead, why the secret service scandal has sarah palin

speaking up. flight fright. a flock of birds forces an emergency landing. >> we lost our right engine due to the ingestion of birds. >> a passenger captures that moment of impact that could have turned into a very real disaster. we're going to get some more information on that. >> definitely. meantime in just a few hours george zimmerman will be in a florida courtroom seeking his freedom at a bond hearing. 's been in jail since he was charged with murder in the trayvon martin shooting. today for the first time, trayvon martin's parents will be face-to-face with the man who killed their son. george zimmerman has requested a private meeting with the march martins, but their attorney tells cnn they denied calling the question at this time self-serving. >> he never once apologized on his web site, on any of the voice mails that he left with his friends, and never expressed any remorse during police interviews the several times they interviewed him.

so we question his motive at this time, saying he wants to apologize. >> cnn's martin savidge is live outside the seminole county courthouse in sanford, florida. martin, what should be happening at today's hearing? >> reporter: we expect this to be fairly dramatic. you point out the participants, trayvon martin's parents and george zimmerman in the courthouse at the same time. mark o'mara are is essentially going to argue on behalf of george zimmerman ahe's due bond he's, one, not a flight risk because keep in mind he kept in touch with the court, he did turn himself in. on top of that, he will argue he's not a risk to the community. meanwhile, the state on the other hand will try to prove oh, no, george zimmerman is charged with murder, is potentially a problem and should remain inside of a jail until his trial. what's interesting is that the state may have to bring out more evidence. what do they really have?

what has motivated them to charge him with second-degree murder. we could see some of that today. but the real buzz has been about what you mentioned in the lead-in. that is this overture supposedly that george zirm man made that he wanted to have a private meeting with trayvon martden's family. why now and what in the world would they talk about? was it truly going to be some sort of an apology? we don't know at this point we do know his attorney made the overture but the martin family said no, we don't want to talk in private. instead, we'd rather he do a deposition and be completely transparent and talk on the record. so very, very interesting. zraid da? manufactu . >> we know both families will be in court, martin's family and also zimmerman's family. i heard something about them appearing by telephone. >> reporter: right. that was apparently the discussion of a preliminary -- well, a minor court hearing yesterday. and that they do want to appear, but apparently they don't feel it is safe for them to appear in person so, rather, they're going

to join via telephone. it will be interesting to hear what they say. of course they'll make a plea by requesting their son have bond and they get reunited while waiting for trial. >> it's interesting how he'll afford bond. his lawyer has famously said now he's indigent and also it's safer for him to be in jail than for him to be in the general population. so how is he going to justify that? are we hearing anything about that? >> reporter: very good question. you know, there are a couple of contrasting points here. the attorney has said he's concerned about his safety, but he also said he wants his client out for the betterment of his mental health and also so they can begin planning their defense. but what kind of cost will it kot come at? that is a question, i think bond could be anywhere from $5,000 all the way to $100,000. he doesn't have a lot of money. so it is supposed to be a relatively fair price that they set. we'll just have to wait and see. >> martin savidge live in sanford, florida, for us.

thank you very much. a new search this morning for america's first milk carton child back in 1979. 6-year-old etan patz vanished while walking alone to his bus stop for the first time in new york city. it triggered a nationwide search and sparked a nationwide campaign focusing on protecting children. >> etan was with never found. he was actually declared legally dead in 2001, but now new and old leads have led investigators back to etan's neighborhood in lower manhattan. and they are searching for new clues. they're tearing up the concrete and they are searching behind walls. alino cho is here with the latest. boy, this is tuchbing a lot of people, taking them back to that moment when everybody could not believe this. >> that's right. remember, this is the case that really got america interested in missing children. >> yes. >> and finding them and trying to protect them on the part of parents, of course. you know, for 33 years investigators have been searching for answers in the disaappearance of etan patz. now they may be closer than ever

to solving it. police and fbi are scouring a basement in the soho area of new york where patz went missing all those years ago. according to a source it was interest in a carpenter and part-time handyman, a man now 75 years old, who worked in the basement at the time that has prompted this renewed search. that handyman was said to have met with etan on the day before he disappeared, even gave him $1. officials have questioned him but at this point he's been released. we should had point out he has not been charged with any crime, which is why we are not naming him. authorities brought are a cadaver dog to the basement of this building, which, by the way, is just one block from where etan once lived and where his had parents still live. that dog did pick up the scent of human remains and now police are literally digging to find clues. >> this is one lead of many that we are pursuing, and, although the investigation initially

began in 1979, we're out here in 2012 not being frustrated by time and continuing to move forward with the investigation the best we can. >> it is it not clear whether the basement was ever searched way back when, but investigators say it did figure into the probe, just apparently not enough to issue a search warrant at the time. but all these years later -- >> 33 years later. >> 33 years later, they're going to the basement and looking for anything. obviously they have good reason to believe they might find something. >> absolutely. how long do we expect they'll be searching that basement? >> nearly a week, if you can believe it. thortds say they actually plan to continue searching the soho basement for the next five days or so. they are meticulously going through the area. they've even set up a grid they're using jackhammers to rip up the concrete floor. and they're also tearing into drywall, something that wasn't possible during the original investigation. and listen why. >> keep in mind 1979 the state

of forensics investigation was entirely different than what you viewers are used to now. dna was not even a forensic tool, was not used for the first time in this city before 1986, anywhere in law enforcement. >> now any drop of blood, hair, forensic evidence can be analyzed to see if it is connected to the case. there are investigators from the medical examiner's office on the scene, interestingly enough, and any forensic evidence they find will be sent to quantity cco, virginia. >> it may be a while, whatever they get, before we learn what they've found. >> this woman said 1986, right? so it still begs the question why now, right? which is why we're trying to figure that out. if they had that potentiality of being able to look at evidence since 1986, why now? what happened? >> just a couple of years ago the d.a. looked at the case, decided to reopen it. that's what led them back too this handyman and the carpenter, all of these years later. they interviewed him again and

they have some reason to believe that that little boy's remains might be in that basement, which is why they're going there now. >> the people who cannot be foerlgtn forgotten in all of this are etan's parents. they still live here. >> you know, they still live in the same building next door. it's 200 feet away from that basement. it's extraordinary. i was watching old clips of the coverage way back when, and it is just heart breaking to look at that mother julie patz. cnn has actually revealed out toed parents, they don't want to comment at this time, but we did speak with author lisa cohen. she's written extensively on the subject. she spoke to etan's parents and she said they're just waiting and watching, not much more they can do. remember are etan's case real galvanized the nation, his picture the first to be featured on a milk carton. back in 1983, if you can believe this, i did not know this, president ronald reagan actually named may 25th, the day etan

patz disappeared, named that national missing children's day in his honor. this case, as sad as it is, really did galvanize the nation, really got us paying attention to missing children's cases. >> i heard the parents never moved because he had that number memorized and they were waiting just in case. >> susan candiotti, who's covering this case extensively, said they still have the same message on their answering machine all these years later. >> oh, gosh. >> maybe on this may 25th they can at least have some sort of closure. >> thank you, alina. >> you bet. so a flock of birds threatens a jet moments after takeoff. a passenger captures a brief glance of the birds. you're seeing it right there. the birds a split second before they were apparently sucked into the right engine of delta flight 1063. >> delta 1063 we'll clear the right. we lost our right engine due to the ingestion of birds.

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>> absolutely. a search of a pond in north carolina failed to turn up any evidence in the search for a missing soldier from ft. bragg. private kelly bordeaux was last seen leaving a local bar early saturday. police have interviewed the man who gave her a ride home who said she is asked to be let out a short distance from her had home. >> around 1:00, 1:30, she told me, i'm tired, i want to go home. i said, okay. so we got in the car, as soon as i pulled into meadowbrook, she said, you can stop right here and let me out. i'll walk. >> bordeaux's husband is believed to be out of town at the time of her disappearance. ted nugent cleared by the secret service after making controversial comments. agents interviewed the rocker after he said, quote, he would be dead or in jail if the president were reelected. nugent says the meeting could not have gone better, writing in an editorial this morning, quote, by no stretch of the imagination did i ever threaten anyone's life or hint of violence or mayhem.

metaphors needn't be explained to educated people. personally have never been producer. excuse me, i have personally never been prouder. i apologize. an oklahoma woman is suing the pacific railroad saying an officer attacked her had without cause. mary hill says she was crossing the tracks when officer alan simmons stopped her and accused her of trespassing. the altercation that followed was caught on surveillance tape. >> what are you doing? get off of me! i did not, sir! >> quit, quit. >> i did not do that! >> quit. >> let go of me. >> i wasn't thinking at that time that this man wants to do harm to me. i wasn't thinking like that. >> mary wound up getting arrested and charged with assault and battery on a police officer and trespassing. she was found not guilty. her lawsuit asks for a minimum

of $10,000 in damages. wow. that's a wild story. another big story, of course, we've been following, two senior supervisors who have been forced oust the secret service have now been identified. and there are new calls this morning to get rid of everyone involved in the ugly prostitution scandal that's rocking the agency. this is a photo from the facebook page of 48-year-old former supervisor david randall chaney. he retired from the secret service under pressure this week. that's him standing there behind sarah palin in 2008. in the comment section beneath the picture on facebook, chaney writes, quote, i was really checking her out, if you know what i mean. chaney is married with an adult son. greg stokes has been identified as the other senior supervisor who's been forced out of the department. he was assistant special agent in charge of the k9 dwegs. on capitol hill, probably no surprise, they're calling for more. >> those people who were responsible have brought disgrace, and it's disgusting. i haven't been briefed, but i

don't see how those who were involved in this should be able to continue in their work. >> it does appear that you will have more employees leaving, either today or tomorrow, the exact number i don't know, but i do expect more employees to be leaving the secret service. >> jill dougherty is live from washington this morning. good morning. what more are we learning about this? there seems to be something new every of day. >> that is definitely true. let's sum up what we've got here. we've got 11 people with the secret service who have been implicated in this and three have already left. one of them is a supervisor who was allowed to retire. another one resigned. and then another one was pushed out. then you have the eight remaining people who have had their security clearances suspended, and they are on administrative leave. then, if you look at their

investigations, and they're popping up all over the place, too, you've got five pending investigations, including don't forget there was some military people who were being questioned in this, and there is a military investigation pending. so it really is growing, and i think you'd have to say that right now the implications of this are really broad on so many levels, kate. >> speaking of implications, you're pulling a bit of double duty this morning for us, jill. of course you cover the state department all the time. are there international implications, do you see? international fallout to the scandal? >> definitely. just look at the quote coming from the former president of colombia who's talking about ethics and the whole world, of course, is watching as this unfolds. there are security implications, as our national security contributor fran townsend has mentioned. you know, in colombia you have certainly gangs of narco

traffickers who could be involved in webs of people who are in the prostitution business, and then also you have senator ben cardin talking about perhaps the senate looking into trafficking, human trafficking, connected with this. he's not saying that that necessarily happened, but it is very, very serious and it affects what the united states looks like abroad. >> as you indicated, with the former colombian president's statement, it could be creating tensions with some of our international partners, obviously much more to come on all of this. thanks so much, jill. talk to you soon. it is 20 minutes past the hour. next on "early start," do you think the country is headed in the right direction? >> good question. >> is the economy recovering? we have a surprising result from a new cnn poll.

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closing lower yesterday. concerns about europe's recovery pushing stocks down for the second day in a row. >> the dow, nasdaq, s&p 500, the best indicator of what's in your 401(k) all in the red. growing concern that the economic recovery here in the united states could stall in the months ahead. felicia taylor is in for christine romans. only good news. >> by the wunfortunately, it's t news, and we have a new poll that's just broken and come out this morning. it shows a very mixed feeling amongst everybody out there. 24 pr 24% say things are starting to recover. 42% say things have stabilized, which is surprising. stabilizing is a good thing, but still in a downturn, 32% of the population think things are not looking well. the reason for that is people are not able to find jobs. the expectation is that possibly

we could see an 8% unemployment rate by the end of the year. but the reason for that is that, because people have stopped looking for jobs, so they're no longer counted. that's the real problem. there just isn't enough growth. we saw a 2.4% growth rate in the first quarter. what we're really looking for is at least 3%. that's what's going to prop up the housing market. that's what's going to make people feel better about spending, propel a recovery for months going forward. until we see a real growth in jobs, then we're not going to be able to see a real growth in recovery. >> what's behind -- there's so much concern regarding the third quarter in particular. is it just all of it put together? >> it seems to be kind of a trend in the springtime that things kind of fall apart a alittle bit, i guess because people sort of give up. that's a problem. until we can get some kind of good momentum going, consistently, we're not going to have any kind of good feeling. so the jobs recovery is key to this, and, when we look at some

of the corporate earnings we've seen in this first quarter, things look great. corporate earnings are okay. but the problem is, it's because not necessarily they've actual 30 hired people, it's because they've cut back on things. >> ah! >> and they've actually let people go. it's not things are getting better. it's things are sort of -- >> people are tightening up. >> it's leveled off. we need to get more people to work. >> sorry it's not better. >> happy friday, everyone. 26 minutes past the hour. ahead on "early start," the search for america's first milk carton kid. police in new york knocking down walls, digging up floors, looking for etan patz. police going from tree to tree in search of a fruit thief in florida. could that be him? or her? >> he's cute! >> you're watching "early start." through allergies. try zyrtec® for powerful allergy relief. and zyrtec® is different than claritin® because it starts working faster on the first day you take it. zyrtec®. love the air.

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p of. >> it is 30 minutes past the hour. welcome back to "early start." i'm kate bolduan. let's get a check of the news making headlines this morning. a new search for the first milk carton boy. mreets and federal authorities are digging up a basement in lower manhattan in search of etan patz, the 6-year-old boy who became the first missing child to adorn a milk carton, in 1979. he disappeared walking to the bus stop for the very first time alone. two secret service agents involved in the colombia prostitution scandal have been identified. david chaney and greg stokes were supervisors with the secret service detail for the president's trip. both lost their jobs. members of congress expect more firings ahead. and the attorney for george zimmerman in court today, asking for bond for his client. zimmerman has been in jail since being charged with the murder of

trayvon martin in that shooting that happened just very recently. in another story, he had a glove and came to play. a little boy makes a dash for the outfield and gets the crowd going in chicago. it is thun minutes past the hour. it was the original milk carton case, a possible break in the disappearance that captured the nation's attention more than 30 years ago. 6-year-old etan patz vanished without a trace from his lower manhattan neighborhood on may 25, 1979, without a single shred of physical evidence. the case had gone cold. but on thursday police and fbi officials began searching for evidence in a basement of a building where a local handyman believed to have connections with the boy had laid a new concrete floor around the time of his disappearance. a search warrant was issued when an fbi dog indicated there could be human remains at that site and sources say the investigation there could take up to five days. joining us now, retired police

new york police officer lieu pa lum bow. thank you for being with us this morning. so the big with question here becomes, this case was reopened two years ago. what was it that happened that led to all of this activity in that neighborhood? >> credible information that the fbi and the new york city police department, so to speak, had come their way they felt they needed to follow up on. >> what could that be, credible information over 30 years now? >> conversations that may have been had in jail cells or neighborhoods or possibly someone who knew the perpetrator of this act and he sat silent for a very, very long time and fell out of the good grace and decided to come forth with information. >> let me ask you about this piece of information because there's this handyman they're talking about now. i know that this ramos person was originally looked at as potentially a suspect. we have this handyman, not declared a suspect yet, we're not releasing his name. but apparently he was talked to

by the fbi recently and he blurted out, what if the body was moved, when they talked about searching the basement. do you think that could have been that critical piece of information that led them back to that basement? >> i think it could be part of it. in other words, you have to look at what the impetus of them contacting him so many years after this occurred again. there was certainly something that further stimulated them and reinforced the fact that what was initially information that came to them might have more substance than they realized. >> and a couple of days ago there was a cadaver dog that went over to the site and they said that it did find or did sniff some human remains. how likely is that after 30-some years that a dog can pick up a scent like that? >> some of these dogs, depending on their trainers and the particular dog, it's kind of like an oathlete, some are bettr than others. these puppies are the same way. some are very refined rand ke d in their senses with the ability to do this. >> let's talk about this gentleman jose ramos. he'll be released this november.

there's no physical evidence tying him to the crime. he was never charged but he was found civilly liable. i understand also that they dug up his basement way back when. so do you think that they're going to be looking at him perhaps as well in this case? >> i think they've been looking or considering him as part of this case for a very, very long time. unfortunately, it's not what we think. it's what we can prove. and i think they're going to continue to hammer away at this case until they have some type of resolution. and i have a sneaking suspicion at some point it will be resolved. u don't know the relationship ramos and this new handyman they've just generated interest in. so this is going to continue to unfold, and the thing you have to realize is that agencies like the fbi and the new york city detectives investigating this are going to be somewhat tight-lipped so they don't compromise the integrity of the investigation. they don't want to volunteer information or do anything that might harm their ability to resolve this case. >> but it also leads you to believe that something major must be going on, they must really suspect something is

there. because there's a lot of attention being given to this, five days they say they're going to spend in that basement. do you think they're going to find the body of this little boy? >> i -- you know, this would be conjecture on my part. i couldn't tell you with any level of certitude. i will only say you as i said earlier, there is something that motivated them to dedicate so much many assets in an attempt to locate this young man. what's interesting in this case also, even after you find the remains, then the work really begins because you have to conduct what's known as an an though poe logical study that is going to identify the gender, ethnic background and the age of the rahms. then you have to hope you have a database and dna which wasn't around 33 years ago that you can kind of conduct the match to. you know, they have have the f. this is a tough one. >> i was listening to a report i think in anderson's report last night. somebody said back in 1986 they actually were able to do this

dna testing. so you wonder why it is that now they've decided to reopen this case, right? back in 1986, wouldn't they have taken some of the samples back then when it was tobl to do that? >> well, dna wasn't as retined as it is today. all the investigative techniques in forensic science has come light years since 1979. the thing i will say to you is that it's my understanding, from a very credible source, from a former chief of detectives in the borough of manhattan there have been about five searches conducted along these lines. >> and how long do you think it will take to resolve this? >> i think if they found the remain ares, that's when the work begins because, even if you find remains or skeletal remains of an individual, you have to conduct that study i mentioned earlier. that could take some time, and that's where you really have to have the scientists come in to try to determine whose bones or whose remains these really are. >> tough case. lou palumbo, thanks for joings. appreciate your insight. >> my pleasure. he's just 4 years old, but

this little guy is a true hero after saving his family in indianapolis from a fire. you see there andrew mcgowan was in his bed watching tv when he suddenly saw flames and he sprang into action. >> i was just in the house and i saw a fire come out of the plug. i just said, there's fire, mommy. >> that's my man. i'm just glad that he had wisdom. it was the alarm of my child that let me know, there's something going on, because he's not just going to keep continually yelling my name. >> i just yelled and got out of the house. so the fire wouldn't get on her hands, too. >> what a smart little boy. the boy, his mother and two others managed to escape, as you probably imagine. mom says she talks to her mom about all aspects of safety, and it seems at least one of those lessons really paid off. >> that's fantastic.

the devotional bible i was reading there survived that blaze. >> that's adorable. 38 minutes past the hour. an elusive fruit thief has been spotted swinging through trees in a gainesville, florida, neighborhood. i thought he was cute, but -- >> he is adorable. >> isn't he? he's the culprit. the exotic patis monkey, wildlife officials settle a trap yesterday and are hoping to catch him today. they have no idea where he came from, and even though he's been stealing oranges from neighborhood treeses, the locals seem to be embracing him. >> i was excited about it because i never seen a monkey, like, in the hood. someone got to call that the hood monkey. >> could be an escapee. we did have a patas monkey running around the williston area last year. don't know if this is the same monkey or not. i've got to get with my investigators to see if anybody has reported a missing monkey.

>> all right. >> are you missing a monkey? might want to call them. >> wildlife officials are asking everyone to stay away from the monkey, however. large crowds could spook him and make him harder to catch. and there's always a possibility he could have rabies as well. if you see him, don't touch him, feed him. just call. >> i think my eyesight is bad enough, i couldn't see it in the video, him swinging through the trees. we'll trust the video was right. >> oh, yeah. i saw it. >> okay. thank you. still ahead this morning, is freedom in george zimmerman's immediate future? he'll be back in court for a bond hearing today. we'll talk 0 a former florida state attorney about his possibility and his chances of release. you're watching "early start."

welcome back to "early start." we now know the i'd ties of two secret service supervisors who were forced from their job in

the wake of the prostitution scandal in colombia. david chaney and greg stokes were part of the advanced team for the president's trip to cartagena earlier this month. members of congress expect more dismissals as early as today. a scare in the air for passengers and crew on a flight out of new york. moments after takeoff, the pilot was forced to turn around for an emergency landing when an apparent bird strike knacked out one of the plane's engines. 8 passenger with a video camera shot several birds right outside the plane just before a loud grinding noise was heard. soledad will be talking to that passenger and another guy on that flight, our very own ali velshi. if the latest cnn polls are right, the race for the white house between barack obama and mitt romney is getting tighter. the poll of polls combines six major polls conducted after rick san storm suspended his campaign. president obama with 47% of the vote, a very slim three-point

lead. penn state university has paid nearly $6 million to the estate of joe paterno. the career of the winningest coach in college football history ended in disgrace in a child sex scandal involving one of his assistant coaches. paterno died in january at the age of 85. the school says 3 million of the 5.6 million payout was a retirement bonus. and another rock legend is gone. levon helm who was said to be the backbone of the group the band died yesterday after a long battle with throat cancer. helm was the drummer and the distinctive lead voice on the group's best songs like "the wait" and "the night they drove old dixie down." levon helm was 71 years ole. kate? in just a few hours, george zimmerman will appear before a judge for a abandon hearing. he has been in county lockup for nine days after being charged with the murder of trayvon

martin. the new judge in the case, kenneth lester jr. will provide. the prfrs have the burden of proof to show why zimmerman shoulden ke be kept in jail. zi zimmerman will be there in person, but his family will appear by phone. prosecutor angela corey has asked trayvon martin's parents to attend as well and their lawyer benjamin crump confirms to us they will be there. crump also told cnn the martin family opposes bond for zimmerman. >> it's a situation where more public grounds and moral grounds and safety grounds we think it best that he be kept without bond until these matters have concluded. >> here to explain what could happen and dig into this a little more with me is former florida state attorney and judge phyllis kotey, currently a professor at florida international university. phyllis, thank you for joining me. first of all, you're familiar with the zimmerman case and also very familiar with the florida

justice system. what do you expect to come from today's hearing, and what will determine whether zimmerman will be granted bond? could we hear from him today? >> we certainly could possibly hear from him. one of the things we should expect is information about his had history, his likelihood of showing up, about the case itself from the prosecutor in terms of telling the judge why they think this individual should be kept and is a danger to society. >> what are the major factors that a judge weighs when considering bond, especially in such a high-profile case? >> well, there are a couple of things. first of all, it's just whether to bond the case at all. and because this is a felony that could be punishable by life where one could possibly go to prison by life, the judge has the option of not bonding or having no bond in this case. certainly other things may happen as a result. they will look at the family ties or lack of family ties, resources. certainly the community's safety and whether this individual is a

flight risk and will come back to court should be the principle thing the judge will look at. >> very interesting. we know that the martin family will be in the courtroom today, not clear exactly if they will be speaking, but it is likely we will hear from george zimmerman's family, albeit by phone, which i myself found a bit unusual. what do you think -- what kind of impact could all of this, the appearance, the fact that this is the first time that trayvon martin's parents will be seeing george zimmerman in person, could this have any kind of impact on the hearing today? >> it certainly may have an impact on the emotion that we see at the lehearing but certaiy shouldn't have any impact on the application of the law by the judge. >> so zimmerman, through his attorney, requested recently a private meeting with trayvon martin's parents. they turned this request down. listen here first to the martin family attorney on his take on this. >> we think zimmerman's request

is very self-serving at this time, 50 days later, the day before he's going to have a bond hearing. it's a situation where, you think about it, he never once apologized on his web site, on any of the voice mails that he left with his friends, and never expressed any remorse during police interviews the several times that they interviewed him. >> phyllis, what do you make of all of this? is this part of the a legal strategy, do you think? or could this simply be that george zimmerman wanted the opportunity to give his size of the story to trayvon martin's parents? >> i mean, it certainly can be a part of a legal strategy, since the court will hear for the first time perhaps from the victim's family in this case. but it also could be the case of time having passed and individuals being not so really reticent about what will happen in the legal system and wanting that opportunity to speak with the family. it is really, really hard to say.

but i think the delay in action certainly causes some concern for suspicion. >> so the new judge, kenneth lester jr., there are so many unusual elements to this case already. he was just assigned to this case two days ago really because the original judge recused herself from hearing the case. what do you know about judge lester's reputation, what do you know about him and how he'll handle this case? >> incidentally enough, judge lester and i became judges in the same year in 1996 so he certainly has been around a long time in terms of knowing and understanding what to do. he's always been, from my understanding, kind of a straight shooter in terms of in application of the law. it will be interesting to see what happens in this particular case. >> i know you're not going to wand to do this, but break out your crystal ball for just one moment. i can see you rolling your eyes at me. do you think bond will be gra granted? if so, where do you think the amount will be set? >> well, certainly i think a bond may be set in this

particular case. it may not be set today because certainly there may be a delay, then, if the judge decides this is a non-bondable offense, the judge would have to look at other indicators to decide whether there's enough evidence to say this is is non-bondable. but i think eventually a bond perhaps will be set in this case. >> i won't hold you to it, though. i know i'm asking you to speculate. >> i know. >> thank you so much, phyllis kotey. we'll talk to you more soon. thank you. it is 50 minutes past the hour. still ahead -- kid in play. a little boy freezes the players and thrills the crowd in chicago. a field of dreams. until security got him. you're watching "early start." ♪ ♪ ♪ and i never thought i'd feel this way ♪ ♪ the way i feel about you [ male announcer ] it's time to clean out your garage

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it is 53 minutes past the hour. time to take a look at what is trending on the web. urban outfitters under fire this morning. why? this reason. it's a photo of two young women kissing in the latest catalog. the group one million moms launching an attack on the company. the conservative group called it, quote, offensive and inappropriate for a teen. back in february one million moms also bashed jcpenney and threatened a boycott after the company hired ellen degeneres, an open lesbian as a spokeswoman there. and one of the biggest pregame celebration tszs of all time planned in boston. if you're from boston, i don't

need to remind you, to mark the 100th birthday of fenway. every man who wore the red sox uniform was invited. there will be a flyover with two modern planes, f-16s, as well as two world war ii-era p-51 mustangs. that is always impressive. >> a great celebration. >> i love the flyover. and, of course, the sox will be playing their forever rivals, the new york yankees at 3:00 p.m. eastern, both will be wearing vintage uniforms. another thing i'm a fan of. i love the trend of the vintage uniforms in all sports. >> a fantastic celebration. now they need to win. >> depending on who you're rooting for. we are not in boston right now. >> that's why i said, they need to win, whomever. >> we want all of our viewers to love us. we'll stick with baseball. it's not very cute when a drunk guy does this, but take a look at this. the crowd giggled and awed when a little boy jumped the wall and started rubbing around the

outfield at u.s. cellular field in chicago yesterday afternoon. a white sox outfielder made a nice play, scooping him had up. >> adorable. >> and taking him to security, not so adorable. we're not so sure why he did it, whether he was told to or whether he was just super excited. >> look at this. >> but rules are rules. >> awww. he was booted, along with the rest of his family. >> yeah. >> but he's got a big smile, great memories, on national television. >> a lot of stories to tell his friends when he gets home. coming up, we have new information on a high-profile cold occasi case from more than 30 years ago. it's amazing to launch and read. etan patz, the first-ever missing child pictured on a milk c carton, now federal agents are tearing up a basement in manhattan hoping to find out just what happened to him. new details orn the new search for etan patz in the next hour. birds sucked into a jet

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first child to have his face on a milk carton. police in new york are using jackhammers hoping to find etan patz the 6-year-old boy who disappeared over 30 years ago while walking to the bus stop alone for the very first time. freedom for george zimmerman, it could happen today at his bond hearing in florida and the parent of trayvon martin will be in the courtroom. more fallout from the secret service prostitution scandal. the identity of two supervisors who lost their jobs have now been made public. more calls for more firings. >> it's a stunning thing. actually disgusting. >> why it has sarah palin fired up. and a too close encounter between a plane and a flock of birds. >> good gracious. a passenger captures that moment of impact that could have turned into an incredible disaster. new clues in the search for

a missing child who vanished more than 0 years ago. etan patz was the face of missing kids in america the first ever child pictured on a milk carton. he was just 6 years old when it he disappeared back in 1979 in new york city. now federal agents have new information on what may have happened to him. police are now ripping down drywall of onew york city apartment and using jackhammers to tear up the floor, as well. a source says patz is believed to have been there right before he disappeared. susan candiotti joins us with the latest details on what authorities believed happened here. i know you've really been working this since late last night. what is threat last on the investigation because big question is, why are they there now? >> that's right, well, they were looking after the manhattan district attorney's office reopen the case back in 2010. the fbi has been looking at old and new information. that, in turn, led them to have interest in a carpenter, a man

who had, according to law enforcement sources, had befriended that little boy, had given him a dollar and had that little boy in the basement. authorities brought in a cadaver dog. it picked up a human scent and that sent into action a whole other chain of events which led to a huge team of forensic experts coming to this site yesterday and working all day long starting to use those jackhammers and tear into the basement. authorities say they are looking for any signs that that boy, they're working with this theory, that he may have been killed there and buried there or killed somewhere else and then buried in that basement. they got a search warrant to examine this area and, of course they need good, solid information and good probable cause to get that search warrant. that's what led to the excavation and the fbi tells me they feel cautiously optimistic that they'll find something. listen. >> i don't want to qualify

cautiously optimistic. again, there is probably cause to believe that there is evidence at this location regarding the etan patz disappearance. whenever law enforcement executes a search warrant it's hopeful that they're going to find what they're looking for. >> a law enforcement source tells me that, in fact, this man did spend time with the fbi yesterday. they picked him up here locally and brought him back to the apartment where he is staying. he has not been charged in this case. but here the work goes on and it will for about five more days. they'll be arriving here on site to resume their escoivation work in just a couple hours. >> for years the key suspect in this case was another guy jose antonio ramos a convicted child molester who is now in jail and apparently maybe the boyfriend of a woman who used to take care

of this little boy. what do we know about him? we heard that perhaps there was a civil suit against him. can you tell us more about that? >> oh, there was. yeah, he was a prime suspect in this case and the family sued him successfully in a civil wrongful death lawsuit. and they were awarded a ton of money, millions of dollars. of course, they never collected, but the parents at the time said this is all about finding justice for our son. again, that man was never charged in this case and he's set to be released from prison on an unrelated child molestation conviction after serving 20 years in prison. now, obviously, the focus has shifted as the fbi and other investigators have been reexamining this case file. and, you know, interesting as to how close this place is to where the parents live. they live just a half a block down the street in this direction. and a half a block in the other direction from this building where the search is going on is

that bus stop where the little boy disappeared on his way to that bus stop so many years ago. >> this must be so difficult for that family, susan. thank you very much for all the details. we appreciate having you there. now to the trayvon martin shooting and the big question today, will george zimmerman get out of jail? zimmerman's attorney will ask for bail at a hearing this morning, but prosecutors have all the heavy lifting to do, really. they need to show that zimmerman is a flight risk or danger to the community. trayvon martin's parents will be in the courtroom the first time coming face-to-face with the man who killed their son. george zimmerman requested a private meeting with the martins but they declined this. the request coming at this time was self-serving in their view. >> he never once apologized on his website, on any of the voicemails he left with his friends and never expressed any remorse during police interviews the several times they

interviewed him. we question his motive at this time saying he wants to apologize. >> martin savidge is live outside the courtroom in sanford, florida. hey, there, marty, tell me what we should expect to come from today's hearing. >> morning, kate. an interesting day and potentially a dramatic day as george zimmerman could be set free on bond. we know george zimmerman will be in the courtroom and we know trayvon martin's family will be in the courtroom, the first time they've been face-to-face since the shooting of their son, 17-year-old trayvon martin and also we understand michael mara is going to argue several point. number one, he's not a risk flight, meaning he's not going to flee the country and, number two, he's not a danger to the community. he doesn't have a long, criminal record and he's not a threat. the state, if they want to keep george zimmerman behind bars, they will have to socome up wit some of the evidence.

here's why we not only charged him, but here's why we believe we can convict him. that will get interesting, it could be evidence that we have not seen so far. however, the state may not want to tip its hand at this particular poent so that could mean they worked out with some kind of deal with the defense for bond. we'll just have to wait and see. two hours of very intrsh court testimony or a done deal by 9:00 a.m. one way or another, we'll find out in about three hours from now. >> it could go one of two ways, exactly. looking at the martin family, as well as the zimmermans possibly being part of this hearing today. the martin family will be in the courtroom. the zimmermans, they'll be speaking at the hearing by phone. why is that? >> yeah, well, you know, apparently it's because they do not feel safe showing up in person. this has been a claim that the zimmerman family has made for some time against their son and their family, as well. trayvon mart aen's family will

be there, at the request of angela curry. does that mean that they'll testify or speak out, we don't know. maybe it is just that she feels the presence of the victim's family is essential as part of this bond hearing. >> any chance that we could hear from george zimmerman himself during this hearing? >> a lot of us have been wondering that. we have only heard him say, yes, sir, when he appeared for his first appearance. what more does he have to say? would he make an appeal on his own behalf? we don't know. all eyes will be glued on him, as will all the eyes in the courtroom. >> you took the words out of my mouth. you'll be there and we'll be coming back to you. thank you so much, talk to you soon. eight minutes past the hour. a scare in the air in the skies over new york city. a passenger captures a brief glance of the birds a brief second before they were sucked into the right engine of delta flight 1063. >> delta 1063 clear the right.

we lost our right engine due to the ingestion of birds. due a quick courtesy inspection and please return to the gate. >> coming up in our next hour on "starting point" passengers talk about the scare in the air and we'll hear from cnn's ali velshi who was on that plane when it happened, as well as grant cardone who made that video, as well. probably saw birds and decided -- >> perfect timing just rolling at the very same moment. we'll have to ask him. coming up on "early start" the prostitution scandal at the secret service continues to develop. two ousted supervisors have been identified and one has a facebook photo that has sarah palin speaking out. a confrontation at the crossing. an oklahoma woman suing union pacific railroad after a run-in with one of their officers.

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welcome back, 13 minutes past the hour. a search of a pond in north carolina failed to turn up any evidence in the search for a missing soldier from ft. bragg. private kelli bordeaux was last seen early saturday. the man who gave her a ride home who asked to be let out a short distance from her home. >> around 1:00, 1:30 she told me, i'm tired, i want to go home. i said, okay, we got in a car and as soon as i pulled in to meadowbrook she said you can stop right here and let me out, i'll walk. >> her husband is believed to be out of town at the time of her disappearance. ted nugent cleared by the u.s. secret service after making controversial comments about president obama. agent interviewed the rocker after he said he would be dead

or in jail if president obama was re-elected. nugent had this to say in an editorial in "new york times." by no threat of the imagination did i ever threaten anyone's life, or hint of violence or mayhem. metaphors needn't be explained to educated people. i personally have never been prouder. the cop says the driver was in his 80s and accidentally a hit the accelerator instead of the brake. witnesses say they saw something flying. >> we saw when he hit the car and we saw something flying. i thought it was a person, but it's just the bumper of the car and then the car over there and it was like a big bang. >> the driver did hit one person before he slammed through the store, but that person only suffered minor injuries. the driver was not hurt, he was given a ticket. an oklahoma woman is filing a lawsuit against the union

pacific railroad. mary hill said she was crossing the tracks on her way home from work when officer simmons stopped her and accused her of trespassing. take a look. >> get off of me! >> i wasn't thinking at that time that this man want to do harm to me. i wasn't thinking like that. >> my goodness mary wound up getting arrested and charged with assault and battery of an officer, as well as trespassing. she, though, was found not guilty. her lawsuit asks for a minimum of $10,000 in damages. pretty amazing video. for an expanded look at all of our top stories a, head to our blog. cnn.com/earlystart. >> nowadays there is always a camera rolling. we now know the names of two

senior supervisors at the secret service who were forced to leave the agency this week in disgrace. this is a photo from the fa facebook page of david randall cheney. he just retired from the secret service under pressure. that's him standing behind sarah palin in 2008. in the comments section cheney writes, "i was really checking her out, if you know what i mean." chenain cha chainey is married with an adult son. on capitol hill, they're calling for more heads to roll. >> those people who are responsible had brought disgrace and it's disgusting. i haven't been briefed, but i don't see how those who are involved in this should be able to continue in their work. >> it does appear that you will have more employees leaving either today or tomorrow. exact number, i don't know.

i do expect more employees it be leaving the secret service. >> jill dougherty is joining us live from washington this morning and, jill, i have to tell you, this one has bipartisan support. both republicans and democrats want this mess behind them. >> yeah, definitely. you know, getting back to that facebook page, sarah palin was not mincing words when she fired back. let's hear what she said on fox. >> this agent who was kind of ridiculous there in posting pictures and comments about checking someone out. check this out, body guard, you're fired. and i hope his wife sends him to the doghouse. >> okay, so, a moment of levity in a very serious story. and we've got, as we know, 11 secret service people implicated in this. three of them have already left. that is supervisor, who was allowed to retire, another person who resigned and another person who was essentially forced out. and then you have eight people left and they are on

administrative leave. they have their security clearances pulled. at least temporarily. and they are investigations and coming out of the woodwork, too. five investigations. this is really spreading. >> we are really talking about that facebook posting and whether that's unusual for a secret service abligent to be a to post like that. you normally cover the state department and you were saying that there are even international implications because of the scandal, even though the agents did not break the law. could you explain that? >> right, well, number one, you have the criticism of the country in which this happened, in colombia. the former president saying that he's really questioning the ethics of the people who were involved. and then you have, of course, the news around the world. this is being watched by other countries and some people just, you know, in shock and horror,

but other people you can imagine who were looking at this, perhaps governments and with malevolent intent who might want to take advantage of something like this. we'd been talking about security implications. what if these women had been spies, things like that. and also senator ben carden mentioning perhaps the senate looking into the connection that this might have to trafficking, human trafficking. no one is saying that that definitely is happening, but you see the pattern. this is not just something that is affecting the agents, it can really spread pretty far, the implications, at least. >> a lot of layers to this story. jill dougherty, thank you for joining us this morning. so, the rumors are flying, is a new ipad on the way? i know you can barely handle the excitement. >> i was really excited about this this morning. >> could apaal be introducing a smaller ipad? we'll have details coming up. you're watching "early start." ♪

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23 minutes past the hour. we are minding your business. the apple rumor mill are running at full capacity this week. >> it always does. >> lots of buzz over the next iphone model release and the possibility of a smaller ipad. felicia taylor is in for christine romans this morning. isn't a smaller ipad an iphone? >> well kind of. but it's not going to be that small. you kind of threw me there, thanks a lot, kate. >> it is too early. >> it was not supposed to be a brain teaser. these are all rumors, though. >> we have to stress this, these are rumors. evidently the iphone 5 is not

going to come out until october, it was slated for august. a delay on that. the other thing in the rumor mill. we will see a mini ipad which is quite interesting. this is something that steve jobs was very much against. he said a mini ipad would be like a tweener, not a smartphone, it can't compete with that and it's too small to compete with the ipad, but the competition has come up with the kindle fire, which is what this is, this has been very popular at a price point of $199, but, yet, that obviously doesn't really compare to the ipad which is a lot more expensive and been extremely popular. so, the question is, do people really want a smaller ipad? >> they're buying the kindle. >> but not as much can fit on this. you don't have the apps you have and not as many opportunities for different applications, et cetera. so, yes, it's going to fit into a handbag, but is that really the -- >> i have to tell you. the key for me, we were talking about it this morning. oh, yes, i want it to be

smaller. maybe i don't want it to be smaller, just thinner. >> how much thinner can you get. >> you are demanding. >> you cannot just put that in your purse, you to have to a cover over it. it doesn't fit into a bag. >> what was the thinking behind steve jobs' -- >> now get into the mind of steve jobs, but is it limiting the menu, if you will, because then you're hurting sales of ipad physical you're offering the tweener. offer the iphone, the ipad, not too much in between. >> the resolution can be just as good, but it gets a lot more expensive because, obviously, the software gets a lot more expensive. the rumors have come out because suddenly we're hearing out of south korea, china and taiwan that they have ordered smaller screens. that's where the rumor is coming from. whether or not steve jobs is going to be his feeling is going to translate into this is still

a major question. but take a look at how much apple means to the marketplace. in the last three months, year to date, stocks hagone up 45%. it's remarkable. remarkable. so, clearly, apple knows what it's doing regardless of whether steve jobs is here on earth. >> we'll see, right? >> so many stress that this is a rumor. >> well, of course. >> believe me the rumor mill websites having to do with apaal rumors. they're all over the place. everyone is reading a website to do with apple rumors. >> we'll find out. >> thanks, felicia. 26 minutes past the hour. he was the face of missing children everywhere in america and now new clues in what may may have happened to etan patz who vanished more than 30 years ago. more details ahead. ♪ [ piano chords ]

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welcome back to "early start." i'm zoraida sambolin. >> i'm kate bolduan. police and federal officials are digging up a basement in lower manhattan looking for aetan patz who was the first missing child to be pictured on a milk carton in 1979 when he disappeared walking to the bus stop for the first time alone. two secret service agents who lost their jobs over the colom been prostitution scandal have been fired. members of congress expect more heads to roll and they say as early as today. george zimmerman charged with murdering florida teenager trayvon martin could be released on bail after a hearing today. rejected zimmerman's request for a private meeting, they say it won't happen any time soon. little tyke, big hero. you will not believe how this

4-year-old saved his family. >> was in the house and i saw fire coming out and i just yelled, i just yelled, get out of the house. so, the fire wouldn't get on her hands, too. >> we'll hear what the mom thinks of her little life saver, just ahead. digging in the basement of the new york building that authorities believe thoeldz answer to what happened to etan ptaz it's been almost 33 years since he disappeared without a trace back in 1979. the first missing child to appear on the back of a milk carton but police received a tip about the concrete floor that was allegedly laid by a handyman who had connection with patz. an fbi dog indicated the possible human remains.

>> we're looking for human remains, clothing or other personal effects of etan patz in trying to find out where he disappeared, why he disappeared and where. >> in 1983, president ronald reagan declared may 25th national missing children's day, the day etan disappeared. the following year, he established the center for missing and exploited children. e ernie allen is the president and ceo of that organization. thank you for joining me. first off, what is your reaction to the recent developments. it has been 33 years since etan disappeared. >> we think it's very encouraging. we think it sends a message to searching families everywhere that just because it's mia mont or a year or 33 years you never close the case until you learn

what happened. >> talk to me, take me back. talk to me about the impact of etan's disappearance. what did his case do? he really became the face of missing children nationwide. >> it was the beginning of a missing children's movement. etan's was the first of several high-profile cases and the missing and murdered children in atlanta and adam walsh in florida, but i think it ended an era of innocence in this country. parents around the nation saw how it happened and thought but for the grace of god my child. it awakened america. >> in awakening america this case did seem for the first time to drive home the scary truth to parents of the very real danger of child abductions and because of that, you've talked about the concern of paralysis through fear. what do you mean by that? >> well, we tried very hard for 30 years to put these kinds of cases in perspective.

what happened to etan is not the norm. 800,000 children are reported missing every year in this country, but many of them run away or lost. the vast majority come home safely. so, while we want parents to be alert, we want parents to talk to their children about their safety. we don't want them to be frightened. they simply need to be alert and be prepared. >> talk to me about, what is the best advice you can give to parents? obvio obviously, every case of a child abduction is very different and very unique in and of its own. what advice do you give to parents in this day in age and new laws on the books. what advice do you give to parents listening to this and listening to you here this morning? >> simply be alert and be aware. talk to your children about their safety. monitor and supervise the little ones, but make sure you empower

your children as they grow up. make sure they know they have the right to say no and to tell you if they ever have suspicions or concerns about what's going on. children protect themselves with their heads and parents need to make sure that their kids are educated about what to do. >> you, more than anyone, you know more about this than most anyone in the country. would you say that the country is safer today than when etan disappeared? >> kate, absolutely. when etan disappeared, most police departments had mandatory waiting periods. they wouldn't even take a report of a missing child for 24/48 hours. today we had better law, law enforcement is better prepared and effectively, more swiftly. we have new tools like the amber alert. in 1979 when etan disappeared, there was no center for missing and exploited children.

more children come home today than in any time in the nation's history. >> one thing that comes to mind is the amber alert and how many children have been helped or how many abductions have been avoided just because of that simple ability to communicate quickly with the people in the community. ernie allen, thank you so much for coming in and thank you so much for your work. >> thank you, kate. >> indeed. 36 minute past the hour. he is just 4 years old, but this little guy is a true hero. after saving his family in indianapolis from a fire. you see,ander mcallen was in his bed watching tv when he saw flames and sprang into action. >> i was just in the house and i saw a fire coming out of the plug. i just said, fire, mommy. >> that's my man. i'm just glad that he had wisdom. it was the alarm of my child that let me know, okay, there's

something going on because he's not just going to yell and keep continually yelling my name. >> i just yelled, i just yelled, get out of the house so the fire wouldn't get on her hands, too. >> did mama say that's my man. so, that boy, his mother and two others managed to escape that fire. mom says she talks to her son about all aspects of safety. it seems one of those lessons really paid off. >> no kidding. >> smart little kid. >> smart little boy. george zimmerman's attorney is looking for bail today for his client and also he'll come face-to-face for the first time. george zimmerman, that is, with trayvon martin's parents. first, a quick check of the weather with reynolds wolf. he's in for rob marciano this morning. >> rain popping up in parts of specific northeast and at the same time look for scattered showers even into south texas, central texas, you could get

strong storms even into the afternoon notice damaging wind and large hail and maybe even an isolated tornado. in terms of temperatures, you can expect in central plains to range into the 50s, 60s, 70s and even 80s in south texas. 58 degrees in portland and 76 in san francisco and in atlanta 77 and washington, d.c., with 76 and new york with 72. that's your forecast. so much more coming up. you're watching cnn, good morning. according to the signs, ford is having some sort of big tire event. i just want to confirm a w things with fiona. how would you describe the event? it's big. no,i mean in terms of savings how would you sum it up? big in your own words, with respect to selection, what would you say? big okay, let's talk rebates mike, they're big they're big get $100 rebate, plus the low price tire guarantee during the big tire event. so, in other words, we can agree that ford's tire event is a good size?

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42 minutes past the hour. welcome back to "early start." the lawyer for the family of trayvon martin speaks out all as george zimmerman faces a judge in just a few hours to ask for his freedom at a bond hear aing. and, today, for the first time, trayvon martin's parents will be face-to-face with the man who killed their son. the martin's lawyer, benjamin crump confirmed to cnn's anderson cooper that they will be there and they hope zimmerman will be staying behind bars. >> it's a situation where moral grounds, public safety grounds and legal grounds, we think that it's best that he be kept without bond until these matters have concluded. >> and the new judge in the case, kenneth lester, will preside over the hearing where prosecutors will have to prove why zimmerman should be kept in jail. here to talk more about this is jany, a criminal defense attorney in florida. nice to have you, again.

>> good good morning. >> good morning. >> curious whether you know judge lester and given what you perhaps know about him or have read about him, how do you think that he is going to rule in this? >> well, judge lester is known to be a very tough judge. he's been there for over 15 years. most judges are not inclined to give bond in murder cases and i don't expect judge lester to vary from that. his wife is a homicide prosecutor. i don't expect to see a bond in this case, although, i think, i would argue for one and i think there probably should be one. >> do you think that we'll hear any new evidence today? >> it's a tough call. i mean the prosecutor will have to weigh whether or not she wants to put her lead detective on the witness stand and subject the lead detective to cross-examination or submit the probable cause affidavit and have the lead detective there so mr. o-mara will be able to cross examine some of it.

she may have mrs. martin come into the courtroom and ask her to identify the voice of trayvon, just for the emotional impact or proving the case is a strong case. that will be the first showing. prosecutor has to show that the proof is evident and presumption is great which means the state has a great case to go forward, beyond a reasonable doubt. >> what about george zimmerman. do you think we'll hear from him today? >> no, i don't. i don't expect you would have to hear from george zimmerman in any way. if i was the lawyer, his family would be there to be able to say that he's not a risk of flight, obviously. he voluntarily surrendered which would counter any risk and, as well as, is he a danger to the community. the other factor for the court to consider. here i think the community is more a danger to george zimmerman than he to them. >> let's argue that for a minute here. that's exactly what his lawyer has said all along. he was worried about his client being out in the public, yet he wants bond for him.

do you find that unusual? >> no, i don't find that contradictory at all. he needs him out and he wants him to be available so that he can come to his office, sit for hours at time, poring over records and theories and it's easier when the client is out of custody. at the same time he is, of course, concerned for his safety. as mr. crump said, there is a big outcry there. we have seen what is going on. but as far as the safety of the defendant, that could be solved in many ways. >> now, we are also hearing that mr. zimmerman actually requested to speak to trayvon martin's family. they've declined. here's what the lawyer had to say and then i want to ask you about that. >> we think zimmerman's request is very self-serving at this time. 50 days later. the day before he is going to have a bond hearing. it's a situation where you think

about it, he never once apologized on his website, on any of the voicemails he left with any of his friends and never expressed any remorse during police interviews, the several times that they interviewed him. >> if you were zimmerman's attorney, would you have requested that? >> well, it's always hard to sit and play monday morning quarterback. i don't think that i would have. i think it does look rather contrived. but i'm sure mr. o'mara has a strategy for doing that. >> what could it have been? >> if it was done, really, in private and before the bond hearing, i would suspect that it would have been in the terms of negotiating an agreement or global settlement for civil and criminal case. >> jayne, thank you so much for joining us this morning. always great to hear your perspective. kate, back to you. >> thank you so much. soledad o'brien is joining me now to look at what is ahead

on "starting point." >> so much this morning. a new lead in what was a cold case for a while. the loss of etan patz launched the missing child movement. today investigators are combing through the basement of new york city building for new clues, maybe even the boy's remains. we'll talk this morning with commissioner ray kelly. also mark class when i was a reporter back in 1993, i covered the disappearance of his daughter. scary moments aboard a delta airline flight. just after takeoff from jfk. cnn's ali velshi was on that plane and described what happened. >> of course, ali was. >> it ended well, i should add, and then freaky deky the new name with chris mcglover and the name is based on the book

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let's get a check of the stories making news this morning. federal agents are now digging up the floor of a new york city apartment. they're on a new search for a boy who has been missing since 1979. a 6-year-old etan patz was the first missing child featured on

a milk carton. he met a carpenter in the basement the day before he vanished. cadaver dogs have reportedly picked up the scent of human remains in that building. a scare in the air for passengers and crew on a flight out of new york. an a apparent bird strike knocked out one of the plane's engines. a passenger with a video camera shot several birds outside the plane just before the incident. did florida senator marco rubio make a slip when he referred to himself as vice president after repeatedly denying he wants the job. you decide. >> three, four, five, six, seven years from now if i do a good job as vice president, i'm sorry. >> you guys all got that, right? >> oops. >> that's major garrett. >> after correcting himself, rubio went on to recommend ohio republican rob portman for that job. >> maybe he didn't mean now, he

met some years from now. >> maybe major got it out of him. either way, pretty interesting. coming up next, moms outraged over the kiss in a catalog for teens. we'll talk about it more. you're watching "early start." mine was earned off vietnam in 1968.

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56 minutes past the hour. time to take a look at what's trending on the web. urban outfitters under fire for two young woman kissing on its catalog. the group one million moms launching an attack. offensive and inappropriate for a teenager. back in february, 1 million moms bashed j krcpenney after the company hired ellen degeneres a spokesperson. one of the biggest pregame celebration of all time planned in boston to mark the 100th birthday of fenway park. happy birthday. every man who wore the red sox uniform in history has been

invited, at least every former player they could track down. the legendary john williams will conduct the boston pops before the game. a flyover with two modern planes and two world war ii era p-51 mustangs. a sight to see and the sox will play their forever rivals new york yankees at 3:00 eastern. both will be wearing vintage uniforms. let's just hope for a good game. let's not decide who thwe want win. it's not very cute when it's a drunk dude doing this, but look at this. the crowd giggled when a little boy jumped the wall and started running around the outfield. this is at u.s. cellular field in chicago yesterday afternoon. the white sox outfielder made a nice play scooping him up in his arms and taking him over to security. we're not sure why this little boy did this whether he was told to or if he was super excited. but rules are rules he was booted along with the rest of

his family. >> the rest of his family. that's sad. i got to tell you y sent an e-mail because i really wanted the background on this to find out if the parents actually plopped him down because how does he really jump over? >> kids do the darnedest things. >> but i would hold my kid back saying, don't do that, there are consequences. >> dad was looking away for one second. he had a great idea. he was put up to it by his brothers and sisters. >> here is the bottom line, he has a smile on his face and at the end of the day, the worst that happens they got booted from that game. >> i'm not promoting this, but he has a really good story to tell his friends at school. >> on national television. >> that's it for "early start" this morning. >> i'm zoraida sambolin, "starting point" starts right now. our starting point is a new

search for the nation's very first milk carton child. the feds tearing up a concrete floor hoping they're going to find some clues in the case of etan patz who disappeared more than three decades ago. commissioner ray kelly will talk to us this morning. trayvon martin's parents will come face-to-face with the man who killed their son. george zimmerman will head to court asking if he can get out of jail on bail. agents ousted. two forced out of their jobs over that prostitution scandal and now they've been named. this one protected sarah palin in 2008. and according to his facebook post, had more in his eyes than just her security. also on video, birds are sucked right into the engine. the flight was forced it make an emergency landing. it was scary onboard, we know, because talking to some of the passengers who shot that video was on the plane. one of them was ali velshi. >> our own ali velshi on that plane.