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you consider the anti-argument which is not only could the state not prove this case to the arthur standard that proof is evidence and presumption great, but that as of today, you and i know now more about what happened. >> we haven't tried the case, and what occurred here maybe was an attempt by defense down to try it in terms of just probable cause, but we obviously have much more than that. but our position is that the court should consider in terms of what he is facing, that is, life in prison, so it's a felony, life felony, and that

obviously makes it different than what it was before in terms of when he was out. you also have the fact that it is an unarmed 17-year-old boy, this uniyoung man was minding h own business. that is a factor in terms of you have an innocent young man whose life is no longer among us. his ties to the community, i don't know how good they are. i think he has a nice family, but, you know, where is he going say about if the court lets him out, will he be a threat to other people? quite frankly, some people may want to get at him, in fairness to the defense. but our position is that you have a person, mr. zimmerman, who in the fast has committed viole violent crimes. it showed a lack of adhering to

authority, which i think is an important factor. the court is the most authority differen at a time difference figure. but you have a law enforcement to abide by his commands and he disregarded and confronted that officer and now the defendant is saying some kind of self-defense or something. so he has prior violence in his past. so it's not somebody who has never been in trouble with the law before and i think the court has to sample that in. he has violence in the past and obviously committed this crime. or charged committing this crime. our position is that he still will be a danger to the community and based on the crime, he should be kept on no bond or the bond should be $1 million, quite frankly. we feel that we've established

at least probable cause if not more based on the facts. what it boils down to, he shot somebody. his affirmative, which there is no evidence to the court right now you c now, that not before the court the facts before the court is you have a 17-year-old young man minding his own business and walking home when he was confronted by the defendant who felt that mr. martin was committing a crime of some type. unfortunately, he made the wroonk assumption and that's the word profile is used. and he confronted mr. martin. why else would mr. martin want to confront mr. zimmerman? mr. martin was on his way home minding mi

minding his own business. i'm not here to argue all the facts. our contention is that this is a serious crime and that he should be held under no bond or if the court were to set a bond, it would be $1 million. thank you. >> anything further? >> i have numerous cases to present but you're more familiar than i. i just ask you to consider the case law in making your determination. >> good thing about practicing law in florida, we have lots of experience. i don't think there are too many or injuries dkjurisdictions we amount of cases like this, just cases in general in the criminal justice system, so we're all very experienced. this is a very common type hearing. it's a regular hearing but for the media involved. and is tsoirks circumstances a with mr. zimmerman's record,

everyone is familiar with the situation that goes on automatic those establishments. i think that's the best way. so we're family with those particular situations. i won't say it's standard, but a run-of-the-mill type run in with the alcohol and beverage agents at the library, i believe it was. so i'm familiar with those. even though it's in another jurisdiction. the injunction was somewhat mild compared to the injunctions that i'm familiar with, so really what this revolves about is the facts of this particular situation as presented to the court. i'm going to find that the motion is well taken, i'm going to granlt the motion, set bond n the amount of $150,000, electronic monitoring, gps, i'll require the state and the defense to meet with the sheriff's department to accomplish that. that means mr. zimmerman will not be released today, but i'll make sure that the state and defense can work that out and if we need further hearing again to

preserve the secrecy and to establish safety as long as the state and defense can agree, that's fine with me and the sheriff department agree, that's fine. if we can't, we can have another meeting with respect to that. there is to be no contact with the victim's family. there is to be no possession of firearms, be they rifles, shotgun, handgun, pistols, revolver, any type of firearm or destructive device. there is to be no consumption of alcohol. a occur gcurfew of 7:00 a.mp.m. a.m. he is to advise the monitoring supervisor as to his location every three days. are there any other special considerations the state wants me to invoke? >> we would ask that he obviously his attorney has the right but have no contact with any of the witnesses in this

case. he doesn't know who the witnesses are at this time, but -- >> no contact with the witnesses. he can go and meet with mr. o'mara. that's between he and his client how they arrange that. due to the facts of this particular situation. anything else you want me to consider? >> no, your honor. >> no use of rolled substances other than those lawfully prescribed by a doctor. no alcohol. anything else? >> i'm asking that mr. zimmerman be will you eallowed to reside state in that. >> you need talk with the state and sheriff's department, work that out and see if it can be accomplished. and then if there's further discussion, you can bring it before me. >> yes, your honor. >> there were other issues, yesterday the press was somewhat concerned that we were holding a hearing outside that i ever presence. by virtue of the order that i entered, they saw what the the purpose was. it was purely logistical purposes to figure out how to get mr. zimmerman dressed for the hearing and how to secure

the appearance of the witnesses in a manner of which preserved their safety. the state has indicated their concern about that. the defense has indicated their concern. in light of that, i'm going to have to work and i'm going to rely upon the state defense to assist me as far as what to do with the court file because the media absolutely has a right to the court file. i think at a libli preliminary d get that to the media with recontacted addresses and names. i'll give you the final product so you can okay that. we can get that to the media and we'll teptd differenntatively s for next friday at 9:00 for the media so voice any concerns them. is that okay with yyou?

>> your honor, i have not provided discovery and i think quite frankly until i employ mr. o'mara discovery, and i know we have mr. o'mara and i have spoken for, there's some issues that i think some things not the subject being knowing about, including statements, et cetera. i think we can address those with the court at a hater date. >> what we can do there, if you agree that you two can work it out, if there's an area of concern, you can approach the court by motion and we can have that heard and then we can discuss it. but with respect what's in the file here datoday, it's fairly thin. >> i agree to what's in the file right now, yes. >> i agree working towards that goal is good. i have gotten or received some notice of hearing that told me of a hearing before a circuit judge tuesday at 9:00 on motions filed by the media. >> i don't know about that. but i'm just telling you i'm

more than happy to -- most of the file consists of motions filed by the media. i think the best way is for me to work through this, both of you look at that, get them to them as quickly as possible and if they have any further concerns, we can address it at that hearing on friday at 9:00. >> we don't have to be here tuesday at 9:00? >> i wouldn't be here tuesday at 9:00. state attorney's offices has thousands of cases up. >> thank you for t he time. >> anything further? >> for, thano, thank you, your . bottom line, george zem e zimmerman will not go he free today, but $150,000 bond, electronic monitoring, gps, no

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but i think it was a calculated risk that mark o'mara played and i think played all right. obviously it hit the news that there was an over chur to offer an apology and apparently it was rejected. but the over chur because rejected by his counsel. this was an opportunity to humanize george zimmerman. we've heard a the lot of negative things for weeks now and i think now you see a living, breathing person who is there extending an apology. the state tried to open door, butt way the law reads, you're limited on cross-examination to that which came out in direct examination. so the calculated risk was an apology and no questions were permitted by the state beyond that apology. >> so $150,000 bond, electronic monitoring with xwchgps, no

firearms, he'll be on a curfew. he's said he's broke. so explain the bond situation. do you think he will be able on collect that money and get out on bond? >> i do. i think he'll be out as soon as the special conditions are satisfied. basically we have a bond system in florida which allows a bond company to secure one's appearance. the defendant pays a 10% fee. so $15,000 would be paid as a fee to the bond company and then they would look for equity. but i think there's a lot of bond companies that will come forward and do it simply for the attention. and i suspect there's going to be dough natinations coming in different people that would allow this to be satisfied. mark o'mara has indicated he's doing this proceed bo bono, so funds will satisfy those bonds.

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you've been watching cnn. it was just about 15 minutes ago the judge looked at george ze r zimmerman and said bond is set for $150,000. he will be on electronic monitoring. the question is where will he gather those funds to pay that bond. he says he's broke. he got up to the stand, definitely according to attorneys this was absolutely out of the ordinary, took an interesting twist. let's take a listen. >> i wanted to say i am sorry for the loss of your son. i did not know how old he was.

i thought he was a little bit younger than i am. and i did not know if he was armed or not. >> mark nejame, criminal defense attorney, also cnn analyst. you've made the point before the break, mark, this was to make him look human, but here's what's interesting. he went on to say i didn't know if trayvon martin had a weapon or not. should he have said that? >> no. he should have stuck just to the apology. once you get on the stand, you never know what's going to come out. that's what the great risk is. but it's out there. and it seems like he really wanted to do it. i suspect strongly that mr. zimmerman wanted to go and do this and told his lawyer that and his lawyer agreed but wanted to limit what he was going to say. >> well, and if that is indeed the case, he did not say what he

was supposed to say according to his attorney. he might have freelanced it a bit there. how could that help or hurt him as we move forward? >> well, remember, and this is such a big upon the of controversy, stand your ground law in florida allows somebody under the proper circumstances, proper or legal circumstances, to legal another person, to shoot another person. you don't have to have-force to meet life force. so i think he never said in his statement that's thought the person was armed -- sorry, that ray v trayvon was armed, so it's not necessarily consistent ept, butr not to have it in there. what's so pobts here are the other things that came out during the course of this testimony. i am absolutely dumb founded that the state led investigator

took the stand, great move by the defense, and he said he didn't have the documents with help because he didn't expect to testify. oh, my gosh. usual the lead investigator, you're at the courthouse, you get called and you're not ready for it? the defenses brought out some of the most important points that could ever be had and then the state says, well, your honor, we didn't expect this would be like a trial. well, they should have. they have a situation where they have a tenuous case that now looks all the more tenuous. into key factors. they have now said under oath by their lead investigator that they don't know who started the fight. and they don't know if he was going back to the car or not. two essential element wills to make a case and they now are under oath memorialized and locked this forever more that they have no evidence to establish that.

amazing that they were so unprepared. >> i think a lot of us were unprepared and not expecting to hear from george zimmerman. and also comments like you just brought up from attorneys. we were also surprised i think to hear that his wife spoke, his wife shelly zimmerman saying he's into the vnot a violent ma let him go free. what do you think about hearing from his wife and also the fact the family has been getting threats and of course george zimmerman, as well. will he be able to reside out of state as he awaits trial? >> i think there will be a search for him by the media and by individuals, but, yes, i think it can happen. i think, though, that putting the wife on was necessary. he need to mf-everybody said

from the prosecution to trayvon's family to the defense, we want the truth to come out. and that's what's happening.the family to the defense, we want the truth to come out. and that's what's happening. the judge asked only a few question, but he's very common sense and he knows the law. he commented at the end of it, he fogoes we see these type of cases commonly about the alcohol and tobacco run-it in. that charge was reduced to a s misdemeanor and then dropped. so the judge understood that might have been an overreaction by law enforcement. that's the veiled attempt made as i interpret it. and it may be that the state was lucky they got him into pretrial aversion. and then the statement they were relying on to keep him in jail. it was very weak. and then the judge asked about

the gun and how the -- the gun show. it shows that there was not a shooting at a distance, but apparently mutual combat where the two of them were engaged within immediate proximity to each other, which suggests that one really doesn't know who happened because wasn't from a distance. >> namark nejame, appreciate it. when you're tuning in, george zimmerman will not walk free today, but the judge did set $150,000 bond. electric drop he can monitoring with gps, a curfew, and he will have to check in with authorities every three days with regard to his location. we'll be right back. ♪

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just in week defense secretary leon panetta announced new aggressive policies to combat sexual assault in the military. zero tolerance is the message from the pentagon's top man. but ground zero for battling this growing problem may start at the nation's most prestigious military universities. reports of sexual assaults at the academies are up nearly 60%, and out of the 65 cases investigated last year, only one resulted in court-martial. that's why these two young women

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2 in virginia. one saturday she decided to blow off steam with some fellow marines. >> we went out to dinner. i got up to go to the restroom, and my attacker followed me and forced his way into the bathroom. i went to pull the door shut, and he grabbed it and flung it back as hard as he could and charged into the bathroom and slammed the door behind him. >> reporter: back on base, schroder reported what happened to the officer in charge. >> i told her i need to report an assault, and she just looked at me, and then she started laughing and said, don't come bitching to me because you had sex and changed your mind. >> reporter: schroeder said she took a lie detector test about her attack and passed. but charges were never filed. she was forced to work with him side by side for over a year. meanwhile, her rank was reduced and her pay was docked. she says all because of the incident.

>> if you want to keep your career, you don't say anything. you just bear it. you just deal with it. >> reporter: but dealing was a struggle. in early 2003, five months pregnant with her now husband in iraq, schroder felt suicidasuic. she went to see an on base psychologist. >> the first time he was very nice. the second time we got into the assault. shortly after that the chain of command said we're starting an administrative discharge on you. >> she received her discharge papers. the reason given, personality disorder. a disorder that the textbook for psychiatrist defines as a long-standing pattern of maladaptive behavior beginning in adolescence or early adulthood. >> it makes no sense for people medically to be diagnosed all of a sudden after being sexual assaulted as an adult in the military to say, no, you've had this all along.

>> reporter: this former marine is an executive director of service women's action network. it's a veterans advocacy group. >> it's also extremely convenient to slap a false diagnosis on a young woman or man and then just get rid of them. >> reporter: that was really one of the critical issues here. the question about a false diagnosis, this personality disorder, what exactly was happening. we asked defense secretary leon panetta about that. >> obviously, our goal here is to try to put in place what we need in order to deal with these cases as we move forward. there are procedures within the department of defense that allow these individuals to raise these concerns and determine whether or not they have not been treated fairly, but i think -- and i hope they will follow those procedures to determine whether or not that has been the case. >> and he said, you know, look, they can appeal through a

discharge review board. i know you talked to him before that. but stephanie schroder, that's exactly what she's doing, but it's a long process and she's been very emotionally affected by this as well, just her question of her own well-being, her safety. >> sure. these women wanted to serve. they wanted to be there. >> and they wanted to feel safe while they were serving, especially with their own fellow marines. >> and they should. sanjay, thanks. that does it for us. michael holmes is in for suzanne malveaux right now. hello, everyone. live from cnn headquarters in atlanta where it is 12:00 noon. it is 9:00 a.m. on the west coast. i'm michael holmes in for suzanne today. george zimmerman, the man who killed trayvon martin, will be freed from jail. he was granted bond just in the last hour. the judge ruled moments after zimmerman took the stand and

apologized to martin's parents. >> i wanted to say i am sorry for the loss of your son. i did not know how old he was. i thought he was a little bit younger than i am. and i did not know if he was armed or not. >> zimmerman will be released on $150,000 bond. he will have to wear a monitoring device, also check in with authorities every three days. we're going to go live to sanford, florida, in just a few minutes for the very latest. now to pakistan, a horrific plane crash, 131 people, including 9 crew members were on the flight from karachi to islamabad. the plane crashing just five miles from its destination. authorities blaming bad weather. in a few minutes we will go live to islamabad. police in new york are tearing up a basement in lower

manhattan looking for clues to the 1979 disappearance of the first missing child to be featured on milk cartons across the country. sources say a cadaver dog picked up a scent in the building. the property was searched when he first disappeared. >> i think what's significant now is there's new technologies involved, new chemicals, just new techniques that could be used. so i think law enforcement, certainly fbi and nypd are hopeful we can give some comfort to the parents. take a listen to this crowd in cairo today. a familiar scene during egypt's revolution. today these thousands of people are shouting with one voice against the military leadership that took over last year. egypt's new leaders have banned some candidates from running for president. the election is set for next month. we're going to be live from cairo later in the program.

and now back to the man who killed trayvon martin. a judge has just set a $150,000 bond for george zimmerman. he should be getting out of jail soon. in a surprise move, zimmerman took to the stand and apologized to martin's parents. the prosecutor not too happy about that. here is how it played out in court. >> i wanted to say i am sorry for the loss of your son. i did not know how old he was. i thought he was a little bit younger than i am. and i did not know if he was armed or not. >> nothing further, your honor. >> and, i'm sorry, sir, you have not really addressed that to the court. you're doing it here to the victim's family, is that correct? >> they are here in the court, yes. >> i understand, but i thought you were going to address your honor, judge lester, not -- so that's really addressed to the family and where the media happens to be, correct, mr. zimmerman? >> no, to the mother and the father. >> okay. and tell me, after you committed

this crime and you spoke to the police, did you ever make that statement to the police, sir? >> that -- >> that you were sorry for what you had done or their loss? >> no, sir. >> you never stated that, did you? >> i don't remember what i said. i believe i did say that. >> you told that to the police? >> in one of the statements i said that i felt sorry for the family. >> you did? >> yes, sir. >> so that would be recorded because all those conversations were recorded, right? >> yes, sir. >> okay. >> all right. our martin savidge joins us from sanford, florida, outside the complex with the proceedings were held. martin zimmerman's apology was unexpected. what other reaction from outside the courthouse? >> reporter: the family left without making any statement whatsoever. they quickly came out the front door of the courthouse and then were gone. the attorneys for trayvon martin's family said that it was one of the most outrageous things they had ever seen, and they certainly did not believe

that it was a genuine apology on the part of george zimmerman. it should be pointed out that apparently within the last couple of days george zimmerman had said through his attorney that he wanted to have a private meeting with trayvon martin's family and that he wished to discuss something with them. now it appears clear what he wanted to discuss. he wanted to make some sort of an apology. his attorney said afterwards that they had -- he had wished this had taken place not in the courtroom but in that private setting, but trayvon martin's family and his legal team apparently had turned that idea down. so that's why george zimmerman decided that the courtroom was the second best opportunity to make a statement. he's apparently warranted to ma -- wanted to make it for some time, he claimed, but his lawyers had asked him not to say anything. >> what about the granting of the bond? >> reporter: i think it was anticipated he was probably going to get bond. bond is a constitutional right in most cases in this country, and in this particular case even

though it was a no bond offense, an argument could easily be made and was made by his attorney that, look, george zimmerman had been cooperating with authorities. he had always told them where he was and he turned himself into the moment he was charged. mark o'mara maintains he was not a risk, his client, to fleeing the country. they even handed over his passport. on top of that said he was not a danger to the community. in fact, the danger actually was to george zimmerman by being out, but the attorney also argued it was better for his family, better for george zimmerman, better for building a defense he be set free. 150k, $150,000, that amount probably higher than many people anticipated, but i think it was probably within reach. the family will have to put up 10%, that's $15,000. >> you mentioned the sort of risks or perceived risk. what is security like around the jail and the courthouse? we have seen protests and all the rest of it. what is the mood in sanford?

>> reporter: well, there's certainly a great deal of concern. so much concern that the family members of george zimmerman gave their testimony at today's hearing. if you saw it, over the telephone. they were frightened to appear in public to give their testimony because they say because of hate mail they have received and in some cases death threats that have been made. for george zimmerman, well, you probably multiply it ten fold. there are a lot of people who will not be happy that after only nine days in jail, he is now once again free. there will be certain people who will look at thisened a s and s deck is again stacked against the family of trayvon martin in terms of seeking any justice. the worry is this will restoke the emotions we saw plenty of in the month before his arrest. there say lot of concern, which is why george zimmerman is not going to be released today we are told, so they can iron out these very severe concerns they have about safety. >> all right. thanks, martin. martin savidge there.

appreciate it, marty. let's bring in criminal defense attorney now and cnn legal analyst mark nejame joining us from orlando. mark, the lawyer for trayvon martin's parents say george zimmerman only has to come up with $15,000, 10% of the 150? does the decision to grant bond surprise you. is it nomplal frmal for people bond? >> i fully expected a bond. it's what we have talked about. as i saw the evidence from what i have heard up until now, and i have even heard more in court, there are big question marks hovering over this case. we know he was not a risk of flight. why? he turned himself in voluntarily. it was under the eye -- the voluntary eye of the florida department of law enforcement apparently. there were conditions of bond that could be reached to make sure that there is no danger. and i think mark o'mara brought up by attacking that affidavit,

showed that the proof was not evident and the presumption not great according to the law. the judge made the right decision. i thought it would be $100,000, but $150,000 is well within the realm of -- the area it should be. i have had many bonds set for cases and homicide cases with similar type of situations where there are real questions that need to be answered during -- as the case unfolds and during the discovery process. >> go on. >> i was going to say, what's quite significant in this case though is the fact that to me the state came across as woefully unprepared. their lawyer was excellent as far as his skill sets, but to have your lead detective go on the stand and say, i wasn't prepared. i didn't know that i was going to be called for a hearing, and then to have the prosecutor say, well, your honor, we weren't really expecting basically a mini trial. well, you should have expected it, and the investigator should have been prepared to the teeth. he should have been up until 3:00 this morning preparing for

the possibility that he may have been called. now what's happened is critical evidence is on the record by the lead investigator saying they don't know how the fight started, they don't know if mr. martin was going back to the car or not -- or trayvon was going back to the car. they don't know any of that. if they knew it, because we've all been saying the state has got to have more evidence, well, they now said under oath that they don't have it. those are critical points and they should have been better prepared. >> quite extraordinary in that regard. so going back to what martin savidge was saying, that some people are going to be saying here it goes showing that he's getting some sort of favoritism. that's not the case, this is pretty normal. >> i don't see it at all. i think the second-degree is a stretch in light of the information that's come out in court today. >> this is quite a lengthy proceeding, of course. when you have second-degree murder cases like this, normal and how high a bond is usually set for this thing? you say $150,000 is in the

ballpark? >> absolutely in the ballpark. i have seen them lower. i have seen them higher. i think this is in light of the fact there are limited finances for this family. it's going to be a stretch for them to come up with $15,000. a bond is meant to secure one's appearance in court. it's not meant to punish somebody. so the judge apparently evaluated, we all knew he was a practical, smart legally, but he's also very common sense. he set it higher than the family could comfortably afford and then enough to help ensure his appearance in court which is exactly what a bond is intended to do. >> yeah, indeed, indeed. at the end of the day, he's not been convicted of anything yet, too. >> yes, that's it. some people are thinking that a bond hearing is meant for punishing, and how can the person get out of jail when they simply have a serious charge against them? remember, there's a lot of questions in this. the entire sanford police department where i think a lot of questions need to be directed as to what appears to be a very

questionable, shoddy investigation, don't dispute that, but reasonable people differ over the fact of what happened and how he should be charged, if charged at all. that's why we have trials. but we don't incarcerate people in this country and presume their guilt without evidence and facts coming out. that's a rush to judgment that we see other countries doing and we criticize every day. well, if we can criticize them, we should be more vigilant to make sure we're doing it the right way. and as long as he is known to appear in court, then that's what we have trials for. it's why we have judges and juries, and we need to let this play out, and we need to be -- trust the system in this situation, that it's now being taken care of properly. >> and that is great perspective and context to get. thanks, mark. mark nejame there, cnn legal analyst. let's give you a rundown of some of the stories we're covering for you. first, new leads in the case of a 6-year-old who disappeared decades ago have led investigators to the basement of

a new york city building. and then can you make out a fishing boat in that picture? i guess you can, can't you? the men on board were stranded at sea for days without food or water. nearby, a cruise ship didn't stop to help. we're going to talk to a passenger who tried to do something. and later one of the secret service agents dismissed in the prostitution scandal is called out for making an inappropriate facebook comment about sarah palin. we'll be right back. nt me around to find out. one world. 5 weeks. the only thing that didn't change was my razor. [ male announcer ] up to 5 weeks of comfortable shaves with one proglide cartridge. great things start with gillette.

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ago. any more details coming out? >> reporter: yeah, earlier aviation officials had said 131 people were killed. now depending on who you talk to, they're saying 121 or 122 people were on board. the crash happened about two hours ago. pakistani television stations are showing images of the aftermath of the crash. those images are showing twisted and mangled debris and what appear to be personal belongings of the passengers, including luggage, blankets, and parts of the plane. the crash happened in the garrison city of -- next to islamabad. there is concern that this plane may have crashed into a residential area. at this point there are no reports of fatalities on the ground. hopefully, it will stay that way. we are learning some remarkable new details about this aircraft and this airline. this was a boja airlines ashth,

a boeing 737. a private low cast airline thos apparently shut down operations at some point and recently restarted operations, but here is the stunner. the website of this airline says that they will start innaug rra flights on april 20th. this could have been one of the first flights of the airlines that restarted operations recently coming from karachi to islamabad. >> we have yet to sort of find out about the victims on the ground. obviously, the potential there for further casualties. we were talking earlier, our meteorologist was saying bad weather in the area. any suggestion that factored into it? >> reporter: well, at this point it's too early to tell if that

was a factor, but certainly beginning around 6:00 p.m. local time, there were heavy thunderstorms, and when thunderstorms hit in this part of the country, they hit hard. there were heavy, powerful gusts of wind, and then you had the thunderstorm, but the fact is there's a lot of flights that come in and go out of islamabad in similar weather. so it's much too early to tell if weather was a factor in this plane going down. >> reza sayah in islamabad. a cold case is now heating up after 33 years. right now police searching a manhattan building for clues to the disappearance of 6-year-old etan patz. patz's case grabbed national attention when his photograph was featured on milk car ttons across the country. he disappeared in 1979 while walking to his bus stop alone for the first time. no suspect ever charged. his parents actually never moved from the neighborhood because they wanted to be around.

they kept the same phone number so etan would be able to reach them. the case made parents everywhere fear for their children's safety. >> i think it ended an era of innocence in this country. parents around the nation saw how it happened and thought there but for the grace of god go i or my child. it really awakened america. >> and now that there are new leads in the case, cnn's susan candiotti has been following the investigation. susan, what are police looking for in that manhattan building? >> reporter: hi, michael. they're looking for the boy's remains, his clothing, anything that indicates that he might have been in that basement, and the significant of this location, michael, is that it's just a half a block away from his apartment where he used to live with his parents. and they're looking in the basement of this red brick building you see over my shoulder. within the last hour or so

they've started bringing up some of that concrete that they've been digging up from that basement. concrete that's been there for decades and decades, and what we're learning now is that they're digging at least four to six feet below the surface of that original concrete using scientific measurement and equipment to try to determine whether any of that earth had been moved over the years. they're able to determine that with the kind of analysis that they do. and everything that they are picking up from there is being sent to the fbi's main lab in quantico, virginia. we're learning new detail this is day about what led the fbi to search this location. and here is what led them here. old and new information that pointed them in the direction of a man who is now 75 years old but who used to work as a carpenter and a handyman in the basement of that building. he had a workshop down there. sources say this handyman had befriended the little boy. even gave him a little bit of

money and was in the basement with him a day before the youngster disappeared. they brought in k-9s about ten days ago and the dogs picked up a human scent, and then during the questioning of this handyman, he said the following according to sources, what if the body was moved? he said, what if the body was moved? that set up alarms and the fbi then began to set up this big excavation that will be going on for the next four days. it certainly sent up a lot of alarms. and the nypd did examine this basement back in 1979 but nowhere to the degre they are now. >> they didn't have the equipment and all sorts of things they can pull in. susan, great getting your report there. appreciate it, susan candiotti. the secret service scandal involving prostitutes in colombia has ended careers and embarrassed the white house, but wait until you see how one airline is trying to make money

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welcome back. a low-cost airline is having some fun with the secret service scandal. take a look at this advertisement. i can assure you it is real. spirit airlines began an online promotion yesterday offering one-way flights from florida to cartagena, colombia, for under $20. they call it, and again this is not a joke, more bang for your buck. it shows a man looking very secret service-like with sunglasses, the earpiece, the whole thing. cartagena is, of course, where the number of secret service agents and u.s. military

personnel were allegedly involved in that incident involving local prostitutes before president obama's official visit there last week. now, that airline might be trying to get a laugh at the scandal, but the very unfunny reality is that at least three secret service agents are out of a job, and more resignations or firings could follow. cnn's jill dougherty is at the white house. we finally put some names to some faces today. who were they? >> reporter: right, michael. two names that have been confirmed to cnn by a source close to the investigation, and the first one is david cheney, and you mentioned the facebook incident. we'll get to that in a second, but he is the one who is associated with that facebook page. he's a supervisor, was a supervisor, son of a secret service agent. he started working with the secret service in 1987, and according to another web page that he had, he is married and has an adopted son. the second person is greg stokes.

he is the supervisor of the k-9 training unit that's located at a center not far from washington, d.c. now, the facebook page, david cheney had a facebook page, still does, on which he posted a picture of protecting sarah palin when she was a vice presidential candidate, and he mentioned that he was checking her out, and sarah palin messaged right back in a way making this statement to fox news. >> this agent who was kind of ridiculous there in posting pictures and comments about checking someone out, well, check this out, bodyguard. you're fired. and i hope his wife sends him to the doghouse. >> pithy comments. there are five investigations going on at least and the latest information, dana bash up on the hill for cnn is getting another source who confirms that there

is now an investigation of another hotel, a hilton hotel, where some of this might have gone on. and then also we have the director of the secret service, mark sullivan, saying that he wants a comprehensive investigation, and that would mean investigating everybody who want on the trip, everybody with the secret service, also the hotel staff as well as women who were involved in this. so it just continues, michael. >> what a tangled web. jill dougherty at the white house. thanks. president obama and mitt romney neck and neck in the latest polls. we'll take a look at what this means for both of their campaigns. do stay with us. [ male announcer ] this is corporate caterers, miami, florida.

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republicans rally around mitt romney at their meeting in arizona as the latest polls show romney running neck and neck with president obama. and speaking of the president, he's getting some major fund-raising help from actor george clooney.

more on that ahead. first, let's bring in our political panel. democrat strategist and cnn contributor maria cardona, and republican matt lewis, senior contribute for the daily caller. let's start with this poll, people, showing president obama and mitt romney statistically pretty much tied. the cnn poll of polls is actually an average of six national surveys that does show president obama with a slight edge, 47% to 44%. romney closing the gap with mr. obama. he's been meeting with the republican national committee members in arizona today to solidify his support. do you think this is a sign of romney gaining momentum? what do you think? maria, let's start with you. >> well, i don't think it's so much romney gaining momentum as it is the republicans finally coalescing around mitt romney and understanding that they have to at least fall in like with him if he's going to have any competitive chance against

president obama. but if you look at all the polls and if you dig deeper in the numbers, romney is still in a lot of trouble with some key demographics, including independent voters, including independent women, the gender gap is still as wide as the grand canyon. he is in deep trouble with latinos. if you look at the numbers in the polls, mitt romney still has a lot of work to do, and also in terments of t terms of the issues voters look at. for example, president obama is still very much ahead of mitt romney in terms of who voters look to for somebody that understands what they're going through, somebody who understands and wants to protect the middle class and workers. so he's likable. >> there are all those sort of sub areas, but 47%, 44%, he'd be pretty pleased with that, wouldn't he? >> absolutely. two weeks ago everybody was talking about what a disaster the republican primary was, rick santorum was still challenging the mitt romney. i think the big story is two

short weeks later, mitt romney has, you know, coalesced conservatives and republicans around him, and the narrative has changed. we're not talking about rick santorum and this ugly primary. we're talking about barack obama eating dog meat. we're talking about a war on moms. republicans have to be happy with the way they've turned that narrative around. >> there's a war on everything at the moment. that's for sure. romney on a glide path to the nomination. there's speculation, of course, about the whole running mate debate as well. one name that kept popping up, of course, is senator marco rubio. he's repeatedly denied that he wants the job, but have a listen to this. >> five, six, seven years from now if i do good job as vice president -- i'm sorry. as senator, if i do a good job as a senator instead of a vice president, i will have a chance

to do all sorts of things, including commissioner of the nfl which is where the real power is. >> freudian slip, matt? >> i don't know. >> i don't either. >> i don't believe -- when people say they don't want to be vice president, i don't believe them because that's what you're supposed to say, and, look, if mitt romney turns to marco rubio, rubio obviously is very eloquent, inspiring, he's from florida. there's a lot of reasons to pick him. when someone comes to you and says your party needs you, your nation needs you, do you turn them down? i don't know. >> yeah. maria, despite the close poll, talk about marco rubio as well. how would the obama campaign be feeling right now? a little closer than they would like, i imagine. >> well, certainly. i mean, look, there's no question that the obama campaign and this president has known from the very beginning and they have said this time and again that this is going to be an incredibly tough election, that it's going to be very, very

close because of the issue of the economy, because the economy that obama inherited was so disastrous, and it has taken a long time to really dig us out of that hole. but, you know, when it comes to somebody like marco rubio, i'm just going to take him at his word. he has said time and again that he doesn't want to be vice president. he actually said also that he doesn't feel like he's prepared to be vice president. so i'm just going to leave it at that, and then just add that no matter who mitt romney picks as his vice president, he's not going to be able to take away from the fact that he is somebody that right now that voters view, independent voters especially, women and latinos, as somebody who is completely out of touch with what normal, everyday americans are going through and that is a critical piece. >> we will be continuing this conversation, no doubt. maria and matt, appreciate you coming on. >> thank you. >> thank you so much. i want to get back to the case of trayvon martin. a judge has just set that $150,000 bond for george zimmerman. should be getting out of jail soon. perhaps not today. in a surprise move though,

zimmerman took the stand and apologized directly to martin's parents. i want to bring in mark o'mara, who is the attorney for zimmerman, and we're pleased to have you here. you know, how risky was it to put him on the stand? >> it's always a risk when you put a criminal defendant on the stand. they have an absolute right not to, but george was quite sincere in his desire to respond to trayvon's mom's request that he apologize and that he answer two questions, that dealing with if george knew trayvon was young, a teenager, and, two, if he knew he was armed or not. that's exactly what george did. >> you knew what he was going to say before he said it? >> we were answering the questions posed to us by the mom. >> would you -- so in your view, it went well in terms of being able to get out some of the information that you wouldn't

normally get out in a bond hearing? >> i was glad to have an opportunity to review some of the probable cause affidavit and the evidence that led to it with one of the investigators. i think that brought some more light to the facts of the case. >> so the comments about gun powder on the sweatshirt, there were comments about blood stippling and that, how does that help you? >> well, i don't know yet because i haven't seen the evidence and the discovery from the state. i'm sure it's all going to fit in together to give me some insight in the case, but taking one piece of evidence right now sort of out of sorts wouldn't make much sense. >> what about the safety issues? there was all that anger out there, and now he's going to be out. are you concerned about that? are precautions being taken? >> very concerned about his safety and that of his family. just because of theupwelling of emotions. we're going to try to keep him safe and secure. i need him out for my own purposes for the defense.

the family wants him out. he deserves to be out. i'm just hoping that everyone who has some preconceived notions about this case, maybe they got a bit of an insight today that it is not one-sided. i thought the testimony presented by george's mom, though unelicited by me, was compelling in talking about the son that she knows. >> the other thing, too, you pretty much got him to admit that they didn't know who started the fight. that's got to help. >> that was always a question that seemed to be presented by that little bit of evidence that was out so far. i'm glad we were able to at least shed some light on it. >> so what happens now? is he going to be out today, do you know? >> i doubt it because there's a lot of logistic that is have to be worked out before that, so i think it's going to be another few days, couple days. i'm not sure yet. now he is entitled to be released, and we'll get him out

as soon as possible once he have everything else in place. >> it's something about the system here, too, that's so much is able to be said unlike in other countries. so much is able to be said outside the confines of the courtroom. we heard trayvon martin family attorney benjamin crump saying the family is devastated over zimmerman's release. so much is said outside the courtroom. is that an issue for you? >> well, yes, and actually which is why i have declined to talk about any specific evidence, is that the commentary from the family members, represent at thises of the families, even the media, is working off incomplete evidence, and what happens is we then focus on one piece of evidence when it's not looked at in the whole. and i'm frustrated by that because then we have these rising of emotions when one picture comes out or another statement comes out. that keeps everything more heightened than i think it should be. we need a fair, well thought out, rational analysis of the

facts. >> in other countries, the stuff that isn't said inside the court can't be said outside the court unless it's actually being said as part of evidence given inside the courtroom. it is a peculiarly american thing. i'm curious how he is at the moment. can you tell me? >> he's happy that we have a bond amount. he's happy that he was not denied bail. now we just need to figure out how to keep him secure and safe. i think he's relieved he knows he'll be leaving jail and will get back to his family and get back to the idea of helping me with the defense. >> and the family is not wealthy. are they going to be able to raise the money? >> we're working on it now. it's going to be tough. >> it's going to be tough? >> absolutely. that's a lot of money for a family that has very little means. and, of course, george can no longer work, and his wife has been in school.

>> i'm sorry, will there be a possibility he couldn't raise the money? >> yes. >> so he would then just stay in jail obviously. >> if he were to stay in jail because of a complete inability to raise the funds, i might be able to readdress the bond amount with judge lester because at that point it will have been found to be too high, and i don't think the judge intended to set a bond so high that he couldn't meet it. my hopes are that we will put together the money to get it taken care of. >> all right. we'll leave it there, mark o'mara. thanks so much, attorney for mr. zimmerman. >> you're welcome. >> thanks so much. incredible story, three men stranded at sea for two weeks in a tiny fishing boat. then you have travelers on a passing cruise ship who spot them. they tell the ship's crew, but no one helps. ultimately two of the men on that boat died. what went wrong? we're going to talk with one of the cruise ship passengers who tried to get them help. stay with us. ♪

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over. >> this was a boat that had lost power and was out in this tropical ocean far from land. >> passengers notified a cruise member but the captain never apparently got the information. jeff gilligan is one of the passengers who tried to get help for that stranded boat. jeff, the cruise line today said it deeply regrets the death of the two fishermen. they issued this statement, i want to read it. quote, preliminary results of our investigation have shown that there appeared to be a breakdown in communication relaying the passenger's concern. neither captain edward perrin nor the officer of the watch were notified. understandably, captain perrin is devastated of being accused of knowingly turning his back on people in distress. had the captain received this information, he would have had the opportunity to respond. what do you make of that explanation? i mean you did try.

>> we definitely communicated with staff on the ship. he communicated with the bridge. we have no personal knowledge as to whom he was talking with on the telephone on the ship. the crew person that we spoke with declined to let us talk to the bridge directly. >> it seems incredible that it never did get passed on, doesn't it? you were on a bird watching trip apparently. that's why you had a heck of a camera and were able to take the photograph we have now on the screen. what did you see when you're looking through that photograph? what are you thinking? >> well, we were looking through powerful spotting scopes before i took those photographs, and we -- the three of us couldn't come up with any reasonable explanation why somebody would have been flagging with two different colors of cloth clothing or whatever it was to the our ship from perhaps two miles away on a little boat that wasn't moving over 100 miles

from the coast. >> now, once you -- >> unless they were in distress. >> exactly. when you passed on the information, what's going through your head as your vessel just keeps on going? >> we were incredulous. we showed the person from the crew the event, what was going on through the spotting scope. he said that he could see what we had described. he went back in. we thought he had recommunicated with the bridge, and we fully expected the ship to turn around or to send a tender boat out to investigate and/or rescue if somehow -- or at least investigate in case we were somehow inaccurate as to what our suspicions. >> it must have been a feeling of helpless. i know someone else e-mailed the coast guard. we have a photograph of one of the fishermen who was rescued.

he talked about having to survive on raw fish until the fish went rotten because they had caught fish. once his friends died, having to get rid of their bodies. these two chaps were still alive at this time, he had to slide the bodies off the boat when they started to rot. i'm sure that's must add to your sense of frustration. what do you think? >> it's just a horrible thing. i'm sick about it. and we asked other passengers, do you have any other advice for us as to what we should do? and we even told another officer on the ship within maybe a day and a half about it. he didn't respond, and only when we got back to the u.s. and the other fellow back to ireland did we learn that our suspicions were correct. >> jeff, obviously you and those other passengers did your very

best. i appreciate you telling us about it. just quite an extraordinary breakdown in communications. jeff gilligan, thanks. i want to bring in chad myers to join the conversation. you can fill us in a bit. it is incredible. you must think that the captain didn't get the message. >> the first thing you learn when you get your piloting book is if you see someone in distress, you must help them. >> it's the law. >> i cannot tell you how many times i have taken a stranded boat, hooked the eed them up tok of my boat, and dragged them to the dock. i'm thinking is anybody going to have to drag me back? i know that captain in his heart would have stopped that boat, would have turned it around and gone back for those people. >> it's actually maritime law. >> yes. >> princess says this has happened 30 times in the past 10 years where we have stopped our cruise ships and we have gone to help people in distress, so we do this. it is not something we had ever not do. it's a beautiful place. you're going to ask where it was.

it's the galapagos islands. the galapagos islands off the coast of ecuador, beautiful place. you can read about it. there are species there that aren't anywhere else because it's so very far away from other land. obviously, remote place though. not many cruise ships going by this. a long-term cruise ship going to that destination, and then nobody else came to find them for 14 more days. >> it is an extraordinary place. species, darwin studied the species there. extraordinary place. huge turtles. good to see you, chad. we'll chat with you later. all right. well, she is a mother and she is the mayor of gary, indiana. so how does she juggle home, life, and a 24/7 job really? >> first thing is you have to be family focused. if i'm not family focused then i'm no good to any of the citizens of gary. ♪

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want answers. >> my neighborhood looks like a dump because i have people dumping their trash out in my streets. >> reporter: it's hard to imagine a working mother with a tougher job than freeman wilson. gary is a city that's more than $40 million in debt and unemployment rate of 16% and it has one of the worst crime rates in the country. >> how are you doing? >> i'm good. >> reporter: the mayor's daughter, 18-year-old jordan s a senior in high school. freeman wilson says it can be tough juggling career and family. >> first thing is that you have to be family focused. if i'm not family focused then i'm no good to any of the citizens of gary. the other is that i have to have help. i have been very blessed to have a very supportive husband. >> solemnly swear -- >> reporter: she served as indiana's attorney general and before that she was a judge. >> sometimes her presence would be appreciated, you know,

sometimes at the dinner table or certain events but one thing i will say, even with her hectic schedule, that's always managed to be there for important things in my life. >> jordan runs track and is a cheerleader. last year her school made it to the state championship. >> i didn't get a chance to go, and that's something that i really regretted not being able to do, but i think that the other side of that is that she has gotten a tremendous amount of exposure. the exposure and those experiences give her another dimension and help her to frame her decisions and frame her future in a different way. >> reporter: jordan says her mom has inspired her to pursue political science when she starts college in the fall at howard university in washington, d.c. freeman wilson says she completely respects stay-at-home moms but knew it wasn't for her. >> the thing that is important, i think, for me as a mom, for me

as a woman is to do my best to create a spectrum of choices for my daughter and others in her generation and the next generation so they can make the choice that is suit them and their families best. >> reporter: ted rowlands, cnn, gary, indiana. time for the help desk where we get answers to your financial questions. joining me this hour, gary is a financial planner and president of objective advice.com. carmen wong ulrich is the president of wealth management. carm carmen, your question comes from susan in california. we have a mortgage at 5.9% and have been paying for ten years. should we refinance or continue with the mortgage we have. >> let's assume she wants to stay put. if they're willing to stay put and they want to stay there for five, ten years, that's great. when you refi there are costs involved. depending on the state you're in, you need to be able to stay long enough to recoup the costs but 5.9%, very expensive in this

environment. at the worst case, she would probably qualify for 4.5%. but make sure you have already put ten years in, make it a 20-year. don't give up those years. >> right. absolutely. gary, your question comes from jim in texas. jim wrote in, way tonight pay off my credit cards and build my emergency fund. what percent of my income should i devote to each? >> there's no fixed percentage. paying down credit card debt in the current investment environment is probably the best investment anyone can make. so if they have a high interest credit card, which most people do have, they'll be willing to lend you more at that rate anytime. so i would be putting most of your money toward the credit cards. that should be the major focus. you can't get that interest rate anywhere else. and if it's a high interest rate, there will be a lot of people lining up to lend to you again. >> bravo to him for wanting to pay down those cards and have an energy fund. good, all americans should think that way. send us an e-mail to

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