the quarrel over the price of services has landed two dozen secret service members and military personnel in trouble. it's 24 now, that's because a 12th military member is under investigation. he was part of a group that provided the white house with secure communications when the president travels. six secret service members so far ohave opinion forced out of the agency. all starting in a hotel in cartagena. that's where we find drew griffin now. drew, we're now seeing this woman. you've been down there all weekend. what's the latest? >> reporter: this woman, her name is dania suarez. 24 years old, anderson. single mother of a young son. the young son goes to school. she herself goes to english-speaking class. we went to the apartment where

she lived. it's down a dirt alley, a middle class neighborhood, a gated community. her neighbors were -- quite frankly they were stunned that this was the woman involved with this scandal. they called her a model citizen of her gated community and had no idea how she made a living. but they do say that this woman they saw in their local newspaper is the woman who lived in the apartment. a couple days ago somebody came to the apartment and removed some suitcases. she has not been seen at her home since this news broke. anderson? >> what do we know about what took place that night? >> there's rumors flying all over cartagena. that's because there's been no official explanation from the police here, no police report we could get our hands on. so we are getting our information from hotel security staff, one member of the staff, and a cab driver. both of them would not go on camera. the cab driver says that he is

the one who drove dania suarez back to that apartment we just showed you after this event. he says that what she relaid to him was there was this dispute in the hotel. she was locked out of the hotel room after this man would not pay either the money she was asking or any money. she had police intervene. colombian police in that hallway trying to reach some sort of settlement. it was during this negotiation period that other secret service agents came out of their rooms, pooled their money together and gave this money to the woman, enough to basically get rid of her. the agent who hired her, i guess you would have to say, would not come out of that room. that is how this whole thing began. it was just an argument over pay. she did not get what she wanted and she demanded payment. >> there's also now reports she's trying to sell her story. is that true? >> reports only.

we've been trying to reach her attorney, his name is marlon betancourt. he has not been answering his calls. we know that he is the attorney from associates in his office. they wouldn't confirm or deny that she is trying to sell it. rumor is -- well, there's speculation anywhere from $40,000 to $25,000 is being asked. but again, we have not have direct contact with this woman miss suarez or her attorney involved in this, so we can't confirm, anderson. >> and how common is prostitution in cartagena? >> it's known for it, quite frankly. the sex tourist trade here is very popular. and i can tell you just from being here the last three or four days, if you walk anywhere at night near a nightclub or in the old city where a lot of these nightclubs are, you're going to be approached just about on every corner. a young man asking you if you're looking for a chica, if you're looking for girls and pointing

you to back doors here and there in the old city where you can find what you're looking for, is what they've told us. we also know that a lot of single scantily clad women hang out in the discotheque where these secret service men were partying. it's very common here. not shocking to the colombians that the americans were looking for and finding sex. what's shocking to the colombians is what's shocking to the u.s. is that these men assigned to protect the president of the united states were out bringing prostitutes back to their hotel room just before the president's arrival. possibly opening the door for a security breach. the white house insists there was no security breach. but certainly opened the door for that possibility. >> then to argue over a price, it seems so monumentally stupid at the very least. >> it would be nice to get the

facts of what the price was. we've heard that she was quote, unquote, going to charge $800. that seems like an outrageous price. the going rate here is from $100 to $200. i'm beginning to wonder if there was a communication error. but certainly it's going to be hard to understand or have this secret service agent once he's identified explain to not only his family and his friends but the other secret service agents that were involved just what the heck were you thinking when you decided you weren't going to pay this woman. >> drew, appreciate the reporting. thanks. shocker today in the trayvon martin case. late this afternoon just hours after the city of sanford announced a separation agreement with the police chief, bill lee, that included his offer to resign, sanford city commission voted not to accept it. this is the same city commissioner that voted no confidence in the handling of the investigation. sanford mayor jeff triplet

called for an outside investigation, saying he's neither ready for the chief, chief lee, to return nor ready to show him the door. others were more outspoken. >> chief lee is paying for the sins of past police officers. police chiefs. he has been here -- he has been in office ten months. how do you steer a boat that big, mr. mayor? how do you steer a boat in ten months to a complete turnaround? you don't. >> city commissioner mahany also saying quote, i do not feel that sanford needs healing. and quote, you think i'm a racist? bring it on, unquote. benjam benjamin crump had this to say, quote, if chief bill lee recognized that his resignation would help the start of healing in the sanford, city leadership should have accepted it in an attempt to move the city forward. all this started the day with george zimmerman leaving the jail. that's him on the left. he was wearing a bulletproof vest. he was accompanied by his bail bondsman. their destination obviously

unknown. this could be the last we see of george zimmerman for awhile. his attorney today entered a not guilty plea on his behalf. i spoke with mark o'mara late this afternoon. your client was released after making bail around midnight last night. how is he doing? >> he's doing well. he's very glad to be out. trying to get settled in. still worried about his safety, but talking to his family and feeling much better than being in. >> there were reports he'd received death threats, that he was wearing a bulletproof vest as he left the jail. it looks like he was wearing a vest. can you confirm that? >> he was. he was wearing a bulletproof vest and he has received threats through the internet. there's been a lot of chatter lately about his release. that's concerning him and us. >> is he under police protection now? >> actually, no. police protected him while he was in jail. while in seminole county. but he's sort of on his own with his own protection at this point.

>> so i obviously can't reveal where he is, nor would you, can you say if he's in the state of florida and if he plans to stay in the state? >> really couldn't say. we have actually several locations we're going to be moving him from just to make sure we maintain his safety and security. >> how is that being paid for? is that money raised from the website he set up? how is that paid for? >> actually, that's from the family. we've not raised any money or at least i haven't removed any money from whatever accounts are out there. we really haven't gained control over them yet. will at some point take the time to do that. wherever the money may be, still is. >> do you know how much money's been raised by that website he set up? >> i got a note from somebody who seemed to have control over one that there was $700 or $800 in it. i heard from another that there's a couple thousand dollars in one. i don't know who's monitoring them or who's handling them or if anyone is taking money out. i don't think so, but just haven't taken that on yet with everything else going on. >> how are you communicating

with him? in person or over the phone? >> over the phone. he's not here. >> right. during his bond hearing on friday, zimmerman apologized to the martin family. i spoke to some of the -- to benjamin crump that night, the martin family attorney, who called the apology self-serving. whose idea was it to apologize? >> well, it was george's idea to want to apologize. i tried to coordinate it. i communicated with the family a couple times to say he wanted to do it privately and confidentially. those communications weren't responded to directly so i was a bit frustrated. i now understand better the martin family position which is that, i guess there was a press release within which they said they didn't want to have the apology now. i was never made aware of that. i think it was thursday night. by the time friday night came around, we made the final decision to have him do the apology.

had i known, had george known the family would not have accepted it or didn't want it, we would never have done it. the suggestion that it was to get a bond just isn't accurate. we were getting a bond with or without the apology. it was done solely upon the request of mom, miss fulton, in a previous appearance she had made. >> a number of legal analysts who watched the proceedings on friday were critical of the prosecution and their performance. in fact, mark geragos on my program called it abysmal. i want to play something from last week's hearing for our viewers. >> do you know who started the fight? >> do i know? >> right. >> no. >> do you have any evidence that supports who may have started the fight? >> no. >> i think a lot of people were surprised that the prosecution's investigator has no idea who started the altercation.

do you think the prosecution came off as unprepared? >> well, it was a bit unique to handle a bond motion in this way. to, in effect, turn it into somewhat of a discovery process. so in one sense, they may not have been prepared for an examination. on the other hand, he is the case agent. so he would know the case seemingly as best as anyone. i think he was telling the truth. i think today they have no evidence as to who started the fight. and no evidence to contradict george's position he was going back towards the car. and those are two very, very relevant facts in this case particularly with the second degree murder charge. >> after you saw from the prosecution friday, are you more confident, less confident, or about the same in your case? >> i'm going to be very conservative. i'm no more or less confident. i guess the same. they have not shown me their discovery. i'm sure they have a lot more than i was able to glean from the examination of the investigator. so there's a lot more to go through.

>> mark o'mara. appreciate you being with us. thank you. >> sure thing. >> well, let us know what you think about the case. we're on facebook, google plus, follow me on twitter @andersoncooper. be tweeting in the hour ahead. also tonight, the white house saying it is out of bounds but the issue of mitt romney's mormon family heritage is raised by a leading democratic governor. romney's faith itself was questioned by students at a conservative christian university. we'll take you to mexico for the true story of romney's ancestry and we'll talk with the governor who brought it up. next. and just see a policy. at aviva, we do things differently. we're bringing humanity back to life insurance. that's why only aviva rewards you with savings for getting a check-up. it's our wellness for life program, with online access to mayo clinic. see the difference at avivausa.com.

raw politics tonight. a couple questions. first, to what degree will mitt romney's mormon faith be a factor in the campaign? and to what degree is it fair game? today liberty university took down the announcement he would be commencement speaker there because it attracted anti-mormon comments. some from the evangelical student body. montana's democratic governor touched a nerve. he was talking about swing states and asked about governor romney trying to appeal to latino voters. he said governor romney would have a hard time appealing to latino voters telling the daily beast that since his father was born in mexico, quote, it's kind of ironic his family came from a polygamy commune in mexico. but then he'd have to talk about his family coming from a polygamy commune in mexico. he went on to say i'm not alleging that he's a polygamist

and approves of the polygamy lifestyle, but his father was born into a polygamy commune in mexico. we're going to talk with governor brian schweitzer and ralph reed. but here's how governor romney responded. >> my dad's dad was not a polygamist. my dad grew up in a family with a mom and a dad and a few brothers and one sister. they lived in mexico and lived a very nice life there from what i understand. then when he was five or six years old, there was revolution in mexico. they escaped. my dad had a tough upbringing. >> governor schweitzer is with us tonight right after this from gary tuchman in mexico. >> reporter: about 200 miles south of the u.s. border through desperate poverty and drug cartel turf in mexico, it looks like a mirage. homes that make it feel like you made a wrong turn somewhere. and it's here where we find -- >> kelly romney. >> my name is kent romney. >> meredith romney.

>> reporter: this is the home of the romneys of mexico. >> mitt and i share the same great grandfather. miles park. >> he's a second cousin. >> reporter: there are about 40 members of the romney family here. most of them seem to be successful farmers and business people. they are a part of the roughly 500 mormons in this tiny town, where a gleaming mormon temple was bit not long ago by the mormon church. and where mormons and none-mormons alike go to the beautifully equipped mormon school. >> you love this country? >> i do. >> this is your home? >> it's my home. >> reporter: kelly, kent, and mitt romney's great grandfather, miles park romney, is buried here in this cemetery where he moved with his family in 1885. >> he moved here and he basically started this family tree that exists to this day. >> yes. >> reporter: many of the mormons who came here in the 19th century arrived to escape religious persecution in the united states. but many of the men came with multiple wives. so while there was concern about persecution, there was also

concern about prosecution. there was no such concern in mexico. even though the church of jesus christ of latter day saints, also known as the lds church got rid of polygamy in 1890, mexico at that time remained a polygamy haven. my question for you is, is there any polygamy still here? >> no. no polygamy in this area. >> reporter: mitt romney does mention his family connection to this place on some occasion. >> i'm not anti-immigrant. my father was born in mexico. >> reporter: but romney leaves out a lot. either preferring not to talk about it or not knowing about parts of it. for example, romney is certainly the only u.s. presidential candidate who has a relative kidnapped at gun point by a mexican gang. >> they hit me in the head with the pistol. i started walking back towards my grandson because i was worried about him. they hit me over the head again said get in. get in. so when i figured it was me they wanted, i didn't resist. i just got in the truck. they handcuffed my hands behind me.

off we went. >> reporter: for days meredith was blindfolded in a cave. the mexican romneys paid a ransom to get him back. >> were you afraid they were going to kill you? >> at first i was. but i really -- i don't know. >> reporter: mitt romney also hasn't mentioned or doesn't know his cousin's differences in opinion about his hard-line stance on mexican immigration. kelly romney's view -- >> i would say tear that fence down. start working with mexican officials on trying to come to a common ground and a solution. >> reporter: kent romney's view -- >> i support building a fence. i support putting troops on the border if necessary. >> reporter: but the views of the mexican romneys for the most part appear more similar than not. particularly when it comes to their lds religion. >> i guess being lds, yeah, i think god would be pleased with mitt romney being president of

the united states. >> reporter: most of the mexican romneys ranch and work in peach and apple orchards for a living. they've never met their famous cousin. they think it would be wonderful to pay a visit to see where his father and his great grandfather lived. >> if you had ten seconds with him, what would you say? >> that's a great question. i'd say give it all you got, mitt, we're behind you. >> reporter: and that's one more not so surprising fact about the romneys of mexico. mitt romney has their support for the white house. gary tuchman, cnn, mexico. >> let's dig deeper now with montana governor brian schweitzer and ralph reed founder of the faith and freedom coalition. governor schweitzer, thanks for being here. you raised a lot of yeah brows in these comments saying that romney's family comes from a polygamist commune from mexico. i mean is that fair to talk about? >> well, people took it way off base.

i didn't say anything about any religion. as you mentioned earlier, the mormon religion hasn't accepted polygamy in 120 years. as i said before, mitt romney or his family that i know of doesn't accept polygamy today. the concern is that he took far right turns during the primary, including with immigration. his opponents were criticizing him because he was saying if you're an 85-year-old grandmother and you didn't have all of your is dotted and ts crossed, and you're a great grandmother in the united states, you should self-deport. you should go back to where you came from. >> but in this interview you mentioned six or seven times that his family came from -- his father was born into a polygamy commune in mexico. repeatedly mentioning that. it was mitt romney's great grandfather who practiced polygamy in the 1800s. is that fair to raise? because democrats were outraged when people were talking about president obama's grandfather or great grandfather. >> people are taking this far away from where i was discussing. i was saying that mitt romney currently has a problem with latino voters.

and it is ironic that his father had come from mexico. you would think he could embrace his latino roots. >> you were saying he was having a woman problem and he doesn't want to talk about the fact -- the mexico fact because of the polygamy connection. >> he both has a gender gap and he has a latino gap. probably wider than anybody who's run for president in recent years. so the point is how can he reach to the middle? now he's won the primary for all intents and purposes. now he'd like to get those latino voters back? how does he do it? or get the gender gap closed. how does he do it? >> ralph reed, to the governor's original comment, do you think he has a woman problem or a problem talking about his father's ancestry in mexico because of the history of polygamy? >> not at all. in fact, governor romney's already brought it up during the course of the campaign. you showed the clip. i would point out in the current pew research survey that

romney's already closed the gender gap to 13 points, which is only five points from where it was when george bush won the presidency over al gore. i think really the obama campaign has repudiated these comments. i think it ought to be off limits. i think it's equally irrelevant, that david miranis, the award-winning biographer that has a biography on obama documents that his great grandfather had five wives. his grandfather had four wives. this is the silly season. we've got 13 million americans out of work, anderson. we've got another 7 million who've given up looking for work because they can't find a job. and we're tweeting out photos of people's dogs and talking about what happened in mexico in 1907. and, you know, the governor has every right to stand by his remarks. i would just say they were not welcomed by the obama campaign and i personally as a person of faith as well as a civic participant just think we shouldn't be talking about this. >> governor? >> well, of course we didn't talk about religion. i've made it very clear that

mormons do not believe in polygamy. that mitt romney does not believe in polygamy. this is a question about what does he do with the latino vote? >> do you regret, though, giving this interview where you mentioned polygamy six or seven times? >> how many times i mentioned in an interview, i can't tell you. i'm asked questions by a reporter the way you're asking right now. you've asked me three or four times in this interview. the point i'm making is there's a wide disparity between voters who are latino voting for mitt romney or the other candidate. think about it. if you're running for office and your family came from a certain country and there's a large number of those people who would be voting, you'd think you'd be able to embrace it. maybe you'd go down to where you came from -- maybe run ads with some of your relatives. >> governor, he has brought it up. as anderson pointed out, you weren't just talking about latino voters. when you brought up the polygamy issue in the interview, unprompted, you said that that

was a problem for the gender gap. you said 86% of women oppose polygamy. by the way, i think that's an understatement. i think it's closer to 100%. but whatever the issue is, why bring this up? and when you bring up something like this and then the obama campaign is saying he's weird and he's secretive. this looks like whatever your motive or intention was, it looks like a deliberate attempt to engage in a whisper campaign to turn voters off from romney because of his faith. >> well, good luck, cowboy. you are trying to assess motives. i'm simply laying out the question of how mitt romney is going to get that gender gap and also he's got a problem with latino voters. those are the two areas he's having the great -- >> so you stand by the comments? you don't regret them? >> yeah. i wasn't talking about anybody's religion. in fact, in my comments i simply said that mitt romney is not a polygamist, doesn't support polygamy and neither does the mormon church.

there are people like ralph that want to take it where i didn't take it. but if they'd like to go there, that's their business. i'm not going there. >> got to leave it there. governor schweitzer, appreciate it. ralph reed, appreciate you being on tonight. thank you. john edwards arrived at court today with his oldest daughter at his side. first day of his criminal trial. he's accused of using campaign funds to cover up his affair with rielle hunter. during his second presidential run. some big problems maybe for the prosecution case today. joe johns was in the courtroom and joins me next.

in crime and punishment, former presidential candidate and u.s. senator john edwards arrived in federal court today with his daughter kate at his side. this was day one of his criminal trial in charges related to money dealings in his second failed campaign. edwards is facing six felony and misdemeanor charges and up to 30 years in prison if convicted. he refused a plea deal. joe johns was in the courtroom today and joins me now. joe, pretty dramatic day in the court. >> reporter: that's for sure, anderson. today we had the first testimony from a guy named andrew young, who was a north carolina advance man for john edwards. very close to him. so close to him, in fact, he wrote a tell-all book about his relationship with john edwards and john edwards' relationship with his mistress, rielle

hunter, who bore his child out of wedlock. we also learned in the courtroom just before andrew young took the stand that the judge had information that young had reached out and tried to contact and did contact three witnesses on the defense witness list. among them a woman he had allegedly had a one night stand with in 2007. of course, this is the kind of thing you would expect to come up in a cross examination and a lot of people are expecting that. because this is the kind of information that is typically used to discredit a witness which would be very important for the defense of john edwards. >> god bless you. thank you for being here. >> reporter: once a rising star in the democratic party, he was an all-american golden boy. a family man reaching for the ultimate political cries. >> i am the candidate for is the president of the united states that is the people's candidate. >> reporter: a successful former trial lawyer, john edwards is now in for the trial of his life. charged with violating federal campaign finance laws which

brings a stiff sentence. 30 years in prison and $1.5 million in fines if found guilty. and it all started with this woman, rielle hunter. edwards hired her to shoot webisodes, casual online videos of the senator aimed at furthering his presidential ambitions. it became apparent to insiders that she was more than a filmmaker to edwards. >> so glad you like it. >> i loved it. wait until you hear me give it live. >> reporter: immediately those close to edwards expected an affair. in 2007 is tabloid exposed his relationship with hunter. shocking the nation but edwards became a near serial denier. >> when you were running for president you flat out denied having your relationship with rielle hunter. did you give a truthful answer? were you telling the truth then? >> yes. >> reporter: edwards' closest

aide, andrew young, would keep hunter under wraps, and would claim he fathered the child as reporters closed in on the truth. eventually edwards admitted personal failure. >> there's no question i've done wrong. i take full responsibility for having done wrong. and i will regret for the rest of my life the pain and the harm that i've caused to others. >> reporter: federal prosecutors have accused the 58-year-old of orchestrating a massive coverup with loyal and wealthy campaign donors paying to hide his then-pregnant mistress. once a prominent politician preaching to americas, edwards himself was living two lives. he fathered a daughter with hunter while his wife elizabeth edwards was dying of cancer. after 33 years of marriage, the couple separated in early 2010. in july of that year, just five months before her death, she spoke to larry king. >> you don't look in the mirror and say what did i do wrong?

>> no. do i do it occasionally? of course i do. but i think it's important for me to understand that i didn't do anything wrong. not just important for me but important also for my children to understand that what the mother they saw, the wife that they saw trying to support her husband in his quest in his dreams. >> reporter: in 2011, the government indicted edwards on six counts including conspiracy, issues false statements, and violating campaign finance laws. the prosecution's two star witnesses andrew young and rielle hunter both have immunity. hunter is also on the defense team's witness list. edwards spent the last year preparing for trial and undergoing heart surgery. >> i did not break the law and i never, ever thought i was breaking the law. >> reporter: and that's the crux of the case. whether the gifts from edwards' wealthy benefactors including hotels, houses, cars and medical

expenses for hunter were personal or political in nature. the former senator has always maintained his friends were helping him out of a fix. no matter what the outcome, it is the ultimate fall from grace for a once-adored son from the south. >> joining me now is raelyn johnson who has been covering edwards since 2007. she was an embedded reporter in 2008 and asked him about the affair. jeffrey toobin is here as well. it's bad news for the prosecution, jeff, that their star witness contacted three other witnesses to find out what they were going to be saying. that's incredible. >> this is a bizarre case and that's a bizarre way to open. >> what was that guy thinking? >> beats the heck out of me. he will be asked to explain it. if the prosecution is smart, they'll bring it out on direct examination. so he'll have a chance to do it in a sympathetic environment. but you can be sure the defense will pound that among many other things during cross examination. >> what do you think of this case? >> it's a weird case. he is obviously a much reviled figure.

no doubt about that. but the specific charges are odd. basically the idea that these hundreds of thousands of dollars were campaign contributions, it doesn't feel that way. i mean, it's just an odd way of prosecuting someone. that this somehow is a campaign violation. also a potential bombshell is the argument the defense raised today, that andrew young who served as the bag man, actually took several hundred thousands dollars of this money and used it for his own devices. which again i think would hurt the prosecution's case a lot if it turned out to be true. >> i had him on the show and he denies that categorically that he used that money. raelyn, we heard your voice in joe johns' piece there asking edwards about the affair when you were covering his

presidential campaign. you were in the courtroom today. what was his demeanor like? >> i have to say he was a bit nervous. but john edwards has been expecting this day for a long time. he came in, sat at his desk and had a bit of water. instantly i noticed that he was a little red in the face a bit. then he was flushed and he was fine. most importantly which i thought was very telling of him is he still had the same clothes he wore on the campaign. the same suit, the same shoes, the tie. the only thing missing was his pin he used to wear to commemorate his son wade. that was gone. and for me, to see that, i thought this is not john edwards the politician, this is the man who's a defendant today. >> jeff, what is this case going to boil down to? >> it's going to boil down to what the jury believes this money was. >> this is money that big campaign contributors -- bunny melon. >> the heiress in virginia. and fred baron, a trial attorney in texas. neither will be witnesses. the people who gave the money will not be witnesses. and what they -- the jury believes this was. and what did edwards think it was. >> so it was money for campaign contributions -- >> then he's guilty.

>> but if it was money to cover this up -- >> then he's innocent. >> or to help him get through a tough bind. >> correct. that's what it comes down to. weirdly, the facts of the case are not that much in dispute. what's in dispute is what was in john edwards head. what did he think this money was for. >> raelyn, in terms of -- i mean, you were covering this. at the time -- just looking back on it, it is extraordinary to think this was a guy who was running for president and was doing all this stuff on the side. i mean, it still to this day boggles my mind. >> i know. it's very hard to understand. and i think that -- i asked him twice about the affair. first time when the national enquirer story broke. then i asked him about six months later in the summer. i only asked him because at that point he was legitimately being considered, at least he was in the press circles, for being a vice presidential candidate. he even wanted to be attorney general.

so i asked him knowing what i knew, but also to say look, you're obviously not running for president anymore. but if you're going to be the vice presidential candidate or the attorney general, there are qualities you have to have like honesty. do you possess those qualities given what might have happened? and he lied again and said that he was telling me the truth six months ago. >> even when he gave his confessional interview to abc news, he was still lying. he still didn't come clean. >> if he takes the stand, all that video -- raelyn's questions bob woodward's questions, all going to be played for the jury. >> thanks. for 14 years the man on the right, matthew roberts, struggled with a haunting question. is the man on the left, charles manson, his father? tonight he has an answer after dna tests that we arranged. that's next on the program.

we recently told you about a man haunted by the possibility he could be the son of a monster. the man on the left is charles manson, notorious murderer. the man on the right is matthew roberts. you can see a resemblance. it's pretty striking. 14 years ago roberts who was adopted as an infant tracked down his biological mother. what she told him stunned him. it raised the fact manson could be his father. roberts tried to uncover the truth on his own but didn't get far. so we recently arranged for dna testing to answer the question once and for all. the question he struggled with for so long. to get the truth, however, we needed the help of someone else. manson's grandson.

here's miguel marquez. >> reporter: jason freeman, charles manson's grandson, is speaking out for the first time. >> i'm coming out to bury his name. you know, i'm burying it. i broke the third generation curse. >> reporter: the curse which began when charles manson directed his followers called the manson family to carry out horrific murders. today this member of the real manson family says enough. >> i am who i am. you know? i'm not something that he was. >> reporter: the second part of the curse, jason freeman's father, charles manson jr., in 1993 put a gun to his head and pulled the trigger. >> he just couldn't let it go. he couldn't live it down. he couldn't live down who his father was. >> reporter: jason barely knew his father who changed his name to jay white. he believes he stayed away purposely trying to protect him from his family's history. >> and your father? what would you want him to know now?

>> what i want him to know is just he missed out on a lot. yeah. >> reporter: charles manson jr., aka jay white, missed out on grandchildren. jason and his wife audrey are raising three boys in dover, ohio. >> i see my kids, you know. and that's kind of why i get shook up at. i would hate to see them grow up without a father. that's important. very important. >> reporter: jason still has feelings for a father he never met. it is the same primal instinct driving this man. >> i live in uncertainty and chaos. >> matthew roberts has been haunted by the possibility he is the son of charles manson. we told you his story previously. adopted to a good home, he sought out his birth mother when he was 30 years old. in 1998 he found her and she

delivered the shocking news that he was conceived in 1967 in san francisco where she met manson at a drug-fueled orgy. >> one account i read at that orgy, there were four men present. >> that's the way i understand it. originally that's what i was looking at. there was about a one in four chance. >> reporter: roberts who bears a striking resemblance to manson, tried twice to get a match with genetic material from charles manson himself. but the samples were contaminated. but there is another way to establish the family link. matthew roberts and jason freeman, if they're related will share manson's dna. >> what we're able to do is use the y chromosome in this testing. because charles manson would pass this on to his male offspring, we could then determine what the y chromosome pattern was in jason and be able to say that that is charles manson's y chromosome profile. we then compare that to matthew to see whether he had the same y chromosome profile or not.

if he did, he would be in the running of being related. >> reporter: so we sent in both men to have samples taken. in santa ana, california, matthew roberts was swabbed. in ohio jason freeman had the same test done. photographs, even fingerprints taken leaving no doubt as to who the men are and whose dna is being tested. both samples were brought here to the renowned dna diagnostic center in fairfield, ohio. we also brought roberts and freeman here so they can get the results themselves. both men meeting for the first time. >> nice to meet you, brother. hug? >> absolutely. how you doing? >> good, man. little nervous. >> me too. >> reporter: if they are not related, it will come as a shock. their lives seem to run on parallel tracks. both are drawn to fame and fortune. matt rue roberts as a rock and roller. his band new rising son. ♪ jason freeman as a cage fighter

and wrestler who goes by the name free bird. both work for a living struggling to make ends meet. jason works on oil rigs in pennsylvania. matthew a deejay in l.a.'s san fernando valley. the question remains, are these two men related? we're here together. matthew is here. jason is here. we're also joined by dr. michael bierd who is the chief science officer here at the center. doc, i won't belabor the point. what are the results? >> well, we did a battery of dna tests on the samples that you submitted. and we determined with scientific certainty you do not share a common biological ancestry. >> holy cow. >> absolutely 100%? >> yes. we did a battery of tests. including a y chromosome test. >> matthew, this has been a long search for you. and now the search continues. how are you feeling? >> well, i don't know how to feel.

i mean, i was hoping i could put this behind me one way or the other. >> reporter: despite the news he's not charles manson's son, most people would be overjoyed. matthew feels his long search for a father has ended in vain. >> it seems like a universal practical joke on me. that's the only lead i had. now i have no chance of meeting or knowing my biological father. to know anything about it. >> reporter: while roberts is frustrated, freeman hoped to gain an uncle that might help him understand his past and his father a bit more. for both men, the search to understand themselves goes on. >> so, miguel, it's interesting, most people would be appalled to have manton as theson as their . does he seem upset? >> he spent 14 years chasing this down. he thought this was something real because he looks so much

like manson, the letters he had written to manson in jail and prison seem to suggest that manson knew of his mother and the whole history, now he feels like he came to a dead stop, where he doesn't know where to go and doesn't know how to begin that search again. it's powerful that the story became about these two men searching for their fathers to understand that. >> thanks. jennifer hudson took trial today to testify on the man who took her family. coming up.

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i'm isha sesay with the 360 bulletin. the process to extradite joran van der sloot to the united states has begun. right now he's in peru on a murder conviction, but he's wanted in the u.s. on fraud and extortion charges in connection with the 2005 disappearance of natalee holloway. singer and actress jennifer hudson testified today in the trial of the man accused of killing her mother, brother, and nephew. the defendant is the estranged husband of hudson's sister. police in tucson arizona are saying they're following more than a hundred leads in the case of a missing 6-year-old girl. isabel mercedes cesil was last seen friday when she went to bed. police say they are investigating a broken screen in her bedroom. and a soccer ball that washed up on a beach in alaska apparently drifted more than 3,000 miles from a city in japan

hit by the earthquake and tsunami more than a year ago. the characters written on the ball have helped trace it to a teenager in japan who says he's sure it's his and it may soon be returned. >> thanks. coming up, the ridiculist and a bizarre controversy over mike & ike the candy. details ahead. ♪ you make me happy [ female announcer ] choose the same brand your mom trusted for you. children's tylenol, the #1 brand of pain and fever relief recommended by pediatricians and used by moms decade after decade.

time now for the ridiculist. tonight we're adding a debate over mike & ike. who they are. why they're going their separate

ways. what message they're sending. yeah, i'm talking about mike & ike the candy. this candy. the name mike is scribbled out on the box. right there. it was like that when we bought it. it's part of a marketing campaign that says after 72 years, mike & ike are splitting up over creative differences. the story goes they can't agree on ideas for the candy. mike wants to pursue music and ike wants to be an artist. it's a clever marketing campaign that will include tv ads, billboards, and is already playing out on twitter, facebook and tumblr. >> global warming? economic confusion? and now the breakup of mike & ike? i mean, whatever next? >> when i heard the news, i was devastated. >> this is the last thing the markets need. >> all right. it's kind of clever, but there are those who see something else at play here. the president of the family research council addressed it in a radio commentary. >> there's trouble in candy

land. after more than 70 years together mike & ike are calling it quits. the duo is staging a gay divorce as part of a new ad campaign to draw in younger customers. it's just a subtle way of society chipping away at the value of marriage. i don't know what's more disturbing. that advertisers think divorce appeals to kids or that sexualizing candy will make people buy more. >> sexualizing candy. this brings us to tonight's edition of things i never thought i'd say. mike & ike don't exist. they are not real people. they are candy, and as such do not possess genitals. also just for the record, sour patch kids are not real kids. starbursts don't have stars in them. and there isn't an actual ranch where the jolly rancher works. but we are professionals and truth seekers. in a truly surreal moment in journalistic history, we e-mailed the makers of mike & ike asking for a statement on the nature of their relationship. their response, quote, mike and ike are not gay. they are best friends and

business partners who have parted ways due to the creative differences over the candy. our sincere thanks to just born candy for taking the time to respond. just born candy makes mike and ike. they make marshmallow peeps as well. we didn't ask about the peeps. we've seen this sort of absurdedy before. remember when jerry falwell said the purple teletub teletubby, a and ernie were said to get married. sesame street reminded everybody they are just friends and puppets. it's puppet based hysteria. this might be the first time the sexuality of fictional invisible 72-year-old candy mascots has been called into question. it is a strange world we now live in. but it makes for a sweet ridiculist. that does it for us. thanks for watching. "early start" begins right now. have a great day. good morning. welcome to early